From cclist@sydex.com Fri Dec 1 04:22:29 2023 From: Chuck Guzis To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Unknown Viewsonic monitor flashes Red-Blue-Green-White Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 20:15:29 -0800 Message-ID: <214c3fa3-139b-4faf-8983-4c5a49780d77@sydex.com> In-Reply-To: <41f47c5d496111806742478656cbbf30f87a9a54.camel@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3063706657294647170==" --===============3063706657294647170== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11/30/23 15:46, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > I was given a 22-inch Viewsonic monitor. The label had been scratched > off. It has four switchesd below the screen, labeled 1, 2, an up arrow, > and a down arrow. > > When I plug it in, it flashes Red, Blue, Green, White at about one- > second intervals. Pushing the buttons doesn't affect it. > > I haven't attached a VGA or DMI to it. > > Is it irreparably broken? Short answer--no, it's not irreparable if it's showing life. This sounds like a power supply issue, but that's just a guess. --Chuck --===============3063706657294647170==-- From ard.p850ug1@gmail.com Fri Dec 1 04:27:26 2023 From: Tony Duell To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Unknown Viewsonic monitor flashes Red-Blue-Green-White Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2023 04:27:00 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <214c3fa3-139b-4faf-8983-4c5a49780d77@sydex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2013191007900559026==" --===============2013191007900559026== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 4:22 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 11/30/23 15:46, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > > I was given a 22-inch Viewsonic monitor. The label had been scratched > > off. It has four switchesd below the screen, labeled 1, 2, an up arrow, > > and a down arrow. > > > > When I plug it in, it flashes Red, Blue, Green, White at about one- > > second intervals. Pushing the buttons doesn't affect it. > > > > I haven't attached a VGA or DMI to it. > > > > Is it irreparably broken? > > Short answer--no, it's not irreparable if it's showing life. Anything can be repaired :-) If it was made once it can be made again > > This sounds like a power supply issue, but that's just a guess. > I wondered if it was trying to set the operating voltages (g2 voltage) of the three electron guns by turning each on in turn and measuring the beam current. And then failing for some reason. The fact you get all 3 primary colours suggests the CRT is good enough to do something but maybe not good enough for this automatic set-up to work. Or more likely there is a fault in that system. -tony --===============2013191007900559026==-- From gavin@learn.bio Sat Dec 2 05:27:32 2023 From: Gavin Scott To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Unknown Viewsonic monitor flashes Red-Blue-Green-White Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2023 23:27:18 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41f47c5d496111806742478656cbbf30f87a9a54.camel@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4549929250757549923==" --===============4549929250757549923== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:46 PM Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > > I was given a 22-inch Viewsonic monitor. CRT or LCD? Viewsonic made both. The 22" CRTs were high end and very nice. The 22" LCDs are generally pretty ordinary. If it is a CRT, is the face of the display completely flat? If LCD then it might be in some self-test mode waiting for a signal. What happens if you feed it? --===============4549929250757549923==-- From van.snyder@sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 2 08:59:28 2023 From: Van Snyder To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Unknown Viewsonic monitor flashes Red-Blue-Green-White Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2023 00:59:18 -0800 Message-ID: <0a618fb5c7c9b0a51862a84b6c0704fddf64873c.camel@sbcglobal.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5580066439156038229==" --===============5580066439156038229== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 2023-12-01 at 23:27 -0600, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:46 PM Van Snyder via cctalk > wrote: > > > > I was given a 22-inch Viewsonic monitor. > > CRT or LCD? > > Viewsonic made both. The 22" CRTs were high end and very nice. The > 22" > LCDs are generally pretty ordinary. > > If it is a CRT, is the face of the display completely flat? > > If LCD then it might be in some self-test mode waiting for a signal. > What happens if you feed it? It was apparently indeed in a self-test mode. When I fed it, it actually worked well. When I looked at it using my video configuration in KDE on Debian 12, it claims to be a Viewsonic VX2262wm. --===============5580066439156038229==-- From bear@typewritten.org Sat Dec 2 09:01:13 2023 From: "r.stricklin" To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Unknown Viewsonic monitor flashes Red-Blue-Green-White Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2023 00:42:20 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1153720039427096778==" --===============1153720039427096778== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Dec 1, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:46=E2=80=AFPM Van Snyder via cctalk > wrote: >>=20 >> I was given a 22-inch Viewsonic monitor. >=20 > CRT or LCD? >=20 Probably doesn=E2=80=99t matter.=20 This is a characteristic behavior of many monitors' =E2=80=9Cburn-in=E2=80=9D= mode. ok bear. --===============1153720039427096778==-- From w9gb@icloud.com Sat Dec 2 18:49:42 2023 From: Gregory Beat To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Unknown Viewsonic monitor flashes Red-Blue-Green-White Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2023 12:40:03 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9191217756305871557==" --===============9191217756305871557== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Viewsonic 22 inch VX2262wm widescreen LCD VGA up to 1680 x 1050 resolution, VIDEO Response as fast as 2ms. Viewsonic LCD VX2262wm (brochure) https://www.viewsonic.com/eu/products/sheet/VX2262wm === It was apparently indeed in a self-test mode. When I fed it, it actually worked well. When I looked at it using my video configuration in KDE on Debian 12, it claims to be a Viewsonic VX2262wm. Van Snyder --===============9191217756305871557==-- From mattislind@gmail.com Sun Dec 3 12:00:27 2023 From: Mattis Lind To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Datapoint 2200 simulator - looking for more software. Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 13:00:10 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2983260533181248437==" --===============2983260533181248437== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! I have an ongoing project to restore a Datapoint 2200 version II and in the process of doing so I created a small simulator for it to understand it better. The simulator is now in the condition that it runs the cassettes that I try on it quite well. The simulator compiles on Macos and Linux. https://github.com/MattisLind/DP2200 A short movie clip when it is running: https://youtu.be/XfsMBhP13ww?si=CHpFKe8eecWjdxDC Having a simulator for a 2200 if there is no software around is no point. There are some tapes on bitsavers.org and a couple of other collectors do have cassettes that can be read. But is there anyone else out there that is sitting on tapes for a Datapoint 2200 (or 5500, 6000, 6600)? Tapes can be read on a normal mono audio cassette tape recorder and fed into a PC which samples the signal, preferably at 44100 kHz with 16 bit resolution. It is important to not overdrive the input of the computer so that the signal becomes a square wave. /Mattis --===============2983260533181248437==-- From dj.taylor4@comcast.net Sun Dec 3 16:35:29 2023 From: Douglas Taylor To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Current SOA scsi disk emulators for DEC Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 11:27:11 -0500 Message-ID: <682c6000-dc02-4aef-b926-d8b1a57011b5@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3975574827617773572==" --===============3975574827617773572== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That is my question. I have used a couple of versions of the SCSI2SD boards in the past with Viking, Emulex QC07, DEC RQXZ1 controllers in the past, and also direct connections to MicroVax SCSI buss's. There are other manufacturers of these SD to SCSI emulators now. What is the current SOA?  What works, what doesn't work with DEC hardware? Doug --===============3975574827617773572==-- From a.carlini@ntlworld.com Sun Dec 3 17:41:18 2023 From: Antonio Carlini To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Current SOA scsi disk emulators for DEC Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 17:41:08 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <682c6000-dc02-4aef-b926-d8b1a57011b5@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6763674912641656430==" --===============6763674912641656430== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 03/12/2023 16:27, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: > That is my question. > > I have used a couple of versions of the SCSI2SD boards in the past > with Viking, Emulex QC07, DEC RQXZ1 controllers in the past, and also > direct connections to MicroVax SCSI buss's. > > There are other manufacturers of these SD to SCSI emulators now. What > is the current SOA?  What works, what doesn't work with DEC hardware? > > Doug > I've never used any of these boards but if you leaf through "digital diggings" back catalogue on Youtube (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKBDY9lluRo) you can find that he's been working on getting BlueSCSI working with a VAXstation 3100. I thought he'd also done the same for DEC Alpha systems but I can't find that video, so I may have imagined it! But the BlueSCSI compatibility page does list a few Alpha systems: https://bluescsi.com/docs/Compatibility. There are reports of ZuluSCSI working with some Alpha systems too. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini antonio(a)acarlini.com --===============6763674912641656430==-- From healyzh@avanthar.com Sun Dec 3 17:56:18 2023 From: Zane Healy To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Current SOA scsi disk emulators for DEC Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 09:49:05 -0800 Message-ID: <72366DF1-388B-4990-838C-3F4082843E70@avanthar.com> In-Reply-To: <682c6000-dc02-4aef-b926-d8b1a57011b5@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4339669756364614989==" --===============4339669756364614989== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:27 AM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: >=20 > That is my question. >=20 > I have used a couple of versions of the SCSI2SD boards in the past with Vik= ing, Emulex QC07, DEC RQXZ1 controllers in the past, and also direct connecti= ons to MicroVax SCSI buss's. >=20 > There are other manufacturers of these SD to SCSI emulators now. What is th= e current SOA? What works, what doesn't work with DEC hardware? >=20 > Doug In 2021, one of the projects during my Sabbatical was to work over my VAXstat= ion 4000=E2=80=99s. As part of this, I bought some SCSI2SD boards, and got o= ne working in my VAXstation 4000/90. I planned to do the same with the VAXst= ation 4000/60 I have in a rack, but it=E2=80=99s still running off of a rack = mount BA350, and a couple old SCSI drives. I should probably look into what = it would take to put a SCSI2SD board in a SBB. I need to find time to work on my PDP-11/23+ and PDP-11/73, as I=E2=80=99m su= re I need to replace the caps in the Powersupplies, so I haven=E2=80=99t trie= d to drive a SCSI2SD board with a Viking QDT. Zane --===============4339669756364614989==-- From cruff@ruffspot.net Sun Dec 3 19:00:12 2023 From: Craig Ruff To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Current SOA scsi disk emulators for DEC Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 11:31:08 -0700 Message-ID: <484D628E-FCFA-4768-9109-1AC69651F9E9@ruffspot.net> In-Reply-To: <170162640746.2847341.9509795256204825672@classiccmp.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2083516262226832223==" --===============2083516262226832223== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm currently using a version 5 something (5.4 I think) of the SCSI2SD in my = 11/83 to run 2.11BSD, it has worked well. --===============2083516262226832223==-- From johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org Sun Dec 3 19:25:54 2023 From: "John H. Reinhardt" To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Current SOA scsi disk emulators for DEC Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 13:19:21 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <682c6000-dc02-4aef-b926-d8b1a57011b5@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5771321808298351429==" --===============5771321808298351429== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/3/2023 10:27 AM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: > That is my question. > > I have used a couple of versions of the SCSI2SD boards in the past with Vik= ing, Emulex QC07, DEC RQXZ1 controllers in the past, and also direct connecti= ons to MicroVax SCSI buss's. > > There are other manufacturers of these SD to SCSI emulators now. What is th= e current SOA?=C2=A0 What works, what doesn't work with DEC hardware? > > Doug > State of the Art SCSI replacement is the ZuluSCSI RP2040 which is from the sa= me people as SCSI2HD (I think - at least the same US Store).=C2=A0 In any cas= e the SCSI2HD is generally out of stock unless there is some NOS left.=C2=A0 = The ZuluSCSI is what is in production now. It's under continual development with fixes and new features are being added = (for better or worse).=C2=A0 I have two in a MicroVAX3100-95.=C2=A0 One is th= e main file systems - I have a 256GB SD card where there are 4 drives allocat= ed.=C2=A0 There are two 50GB main drives and 2 9GB system drives. I have them= mirrored under VMS Volume Shadowing.=C2=A0 I aim to use about 50% of the cap= acity of the SD card to allow plenty of space for the card's firmware to do w= ear leveling.=C2=A0 They are SAMSUNG PRO Endurance cards with an estimated en= durance of 140k hours.=C2=A0 The other ZuluSCSI RP2040 card is mounted for ex= ternal access and is the backup device.=C2=A0 This gets rotated regularly. All that said, in the MV3100 they are still slower by a touch than rotating d= isks.=C2=A0 But after having several Ebay SCSI disks have controller issues (= shorting and burnt out controllers) I am hoping these are more trouble free. I also have 2 older SCSI2HD in my AlphaServer DS10 systems for removable stor= age.=C2=A0 When I get a chance I am swapping them out for the ZuluSCSI RP2040= models because they are slightly faster and much easier to manage. The ZuluSCSI is a hybrid of the SCSI2HD hardware and SCSI firmware and the Bl= ueSCSI management firmware.=C2=A0 With the SCSI2HD you needed a utility (most= ly) to mange the settings of the SCSI2HD card.=C2=A0 COpying the data to the = card usually meant using a utility like dd or something that could write to s= pecific places on the card.=C2=A0 With the ZuluSCI you format the SD card in = FAT or EX-FAT (if your disks are bigger than 4GB) and put them on the card wi= th a specific name format.=C2=A0 The documentation explains it all pretty cle= arly. www.zuluscsi.com - US Store and some documentation https://github.com/ZuluSCSI/ZuluSCSI-firmware/wiki/ZuluSCSI-Manual - Document= ation https://github.com/ZuluSCSI/ZuluSCSI-firmware - firmware https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09WB3D5GQ - Samsung PRO Endurance https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/memory-card/micro-sd-pro-e= ndurance/ - marketing info --=20 John H. Reinhardt --===============5771321808298351429==-- From johnhreinhardt@thereinhardts.org Sun Dec 3 19:25:57 2023 From: "John H. Reinhardt" To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Current SOA scsi disk emulators for DEC Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 13:16:49 -0600 Message-ID: <9b14d5a8-e54c-4700-930e-b15b9f94a227@thereinhardts.org> In-Reply-To: <682c6000-dc02-4aef-b926-d8b1a57011b5@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5549388677284121190==" --===============5549388677284121190== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/3/2023 10:27 AM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: > That is my question. > > I have used a couple of versions of the SCSI2SD boards in the past with Vik= ing, Emulex QC07, DEC RQXZ1 controllers in the past, and also direct connecti= ons to MicroVax SCSI buss's. > > There are other manufacturers of these SD to SCSI emulators now. What is th= e current SOA?=C2=A0 What works, what doesn't work with DEC hardware? > > Doug > State of the Art SCSI replacement is the ZuluSCSI RP2040 which is from the sa= me people as SCSI2HD (I think - at least the same US Store).=C2=A0 In any cas= e the SCSI2HD is generally out of stock unless there is some NOS left.=C2=A0 = The ZuluSCSI is what is in production now. It's under continual development with fixes and new features are being added = (for better or worse).=C2=A0 I have two in a MicroVAX3100-95.=C2=A0 One is th= e main file systems - I have a 256GB SD card where there are 4 drives allocat= ed.=C2=A0 There are two 50GB main drives and 2 9GB system drives. I have them= mirrored under VMS Volume Shadowing.=C2=A0 I aim to use about 50% of the cap= acity of the SD card to allow plenty of space for the card's firmware to do w= ear leveling.=C2=A0 They are SAMSUNG PRO Endurance cards with an estimated en= durance of 140k hours.=C2=A0 The other ZuluSCSI RP2040 card is mounted for ex= ternal access and is the backup device.=C2=A0 This gets rotated regularly. All that said, in the MV3100 they are still slower by a touch than rotating d= isks.=C2=A0 But after having several Ebay SCSI disks have controller issues (= shorting and burnt out controllers) I am hoping these are more trouble free. I also have 2 older SCSI2HD in my AlphaServer DS10 systems for removable stor= age.=C2=A0 When I get a chance I am swapping them out for the ZuluSCSI RP2040= models because they are slightly faster and much easier to manage. The ZuluSCSI is a hybrid of the SCSI2HD hardware and SCSI firmware and the Bl= ueSCSI management firmware.=C2=A0 With the SCSI2HD you needed a utility (most= ly) to mange the settings of the SCSI2HD card.=C2=A0 COpying the data to the = card usually meant using a utility like dd or something that could write to s= pecific places on the card.=C2=A0 With the ZuluSCI you format the SD card in = FAT or EX-FAT (if your disks are bigger than 4GB) and put them on the card wi= th a specific name format.=C2=A0 The documentation explains it all pretty cle= arly. www.zuluscsi.com - US Store and some documentation https://github.com/ZuluSCSI/ZuluSCSI-firmware/wiki/ZuluSCSI-Manual - Document= ation https://github.com/ZuluSCSI/ZuluSCSI-firmware - firmware https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09WB3D5GQ - Samsung PRO Endurance https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/memory-card/micro-sd-pro-e= ndurance/ - marketing info --=20 John H. Reinhardt --===============5549388677284121190==-- From mhs.stein@gmail.com Sun Dec 3 20:01:05 2023 From: Mike Stein To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Burroughs TD700 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 15:00:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5878891075739709982==" --===============5878891075739709982== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do any of you three or four TD700 owners out there need any parts? I'm about to scrap a couple (in the Toronto area). m --===============5878891075739709982==-- From ccoley@zaphod.com Sun Dec 3 20:08:35 2023 From: Chris Coley To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Burroughs TD700 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 12:08:18 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7926768927878413610==" --===============7926768927878413610== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why are you scrapping them? Are they generally complete? If there is enough to refurb into a unit I am interested. I'm in Sequim, WA. Thanks Chris On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 12:01=E2=80=AFPM Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > Do any of you three or four TD700 owners out there need any parts? I'm > about to scrap a couple (in the Toronto area). > > m > --===============7926768927878413610==-- From anders.k.nelson@gmail.com Sun Dec 3 20:13:57 2023 From: Anders Nelson To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Burroughs TD700 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 15:13:40 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0871926445112335499==" --===============0871926445112335499== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oof, those are pretty. -- Anders Nelson www.andersknelson.com On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 3:09=E2=80=AFPM Chris Coley via cctalk wrote: > Why are you scrapping them? > Are they generally complete? > > If there is enough to refurb into a unit I am interested. I'm in Sequim, > WA. > > Thanks > Chris > > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 12:01=E2=80=AFPM Mike Stein via cctalk < > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > Do any of you three or four TD700 owners out there need any parts? I'm > > about to scrap a couple (in the Toronto area). > > > > m > > > --===============0871926445112335499==-- From dj.taylor4@comcast.net Sun Dec 3 21:27:32 2023 From: Douglas Taylor To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Current SOA scsi disk emulators for DEC Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 16:18:55 -0500 Message-ID: <60e58977-6701-4172-ad50-5532a4f3f40d@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8847648568191957211==" --===============8847648568191957211== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/3/2023 2:19 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: > On 12/3/2023 10:27 AM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: >> That is my question. >> >> I have used a couple of versions of the SCSI2SD boards in the past=20 >> with Viking, Emulex QC07, DEC RQXZ1 controllers in the past, and also=20 >> direct connections to MicroVax SCSI buss's. >> >> There are other manufacturers of these SD to SCSI emulators now. What=20 >> is the current SOA?=C2=A0 What works, what doesn't work with DEC hardware? >> >> Doug >> > > State of the Art SCSI replacement is the ZuluSCSI RP2040 which is from=20 > the same people as SCSI2HD (I think - at least the same US Store).=C2=A0 In= =20 > any case the SCSI2HD is generally out of stock unless there is some=20 > NOS left.=C2=A0 The ZuluSCSI is what is in production now. > > It's under continual development with fixes and new features are being=20 > added (for better or worse).=C2=A0 I have two in a MicroVAX3100-95.=C2=A0 O= ne is=20 > the main file systems - I have a 256GB SD card where there are 4=20 > drives allocated.=C2=A0 There are two 50GB main drives and 2 9GB system=20 > drives. I have them mirrored under VMS Volume Shadowing.=C2=A0 I aim to use= =20 > about 50% of the capacity of the SD card to allow plenty of space for=20 > the card's firmware to do wear leveling.=C2=A0 They are SAMSUNG PRO=20 > Endurance cards with an estimated endurance of 140k hours.=C2=A0 The other = > ZuluSCSI RP2040 card is mounted for external access and is the backup=20 > device.=C2=A0 This gets rotated regularly. > > All that said, in the MV3100 they are still slower by a touch than=20 > rotating disks.=C2=A0 But after having several Ebay SCSI disks have=20 > controller issues (shorting and burnt out controllers) I am hoping=20 > these are more trouble free. > > I also have 2 older SCSI2HD in my AlphaServer DS10 systems for=20 > removable storage.=C2=A0 When I get a chance I am swapping them out for the= =20 > ZuluSCSI RP2040 models because they are slightly faster and much=20 > easier to manage. > > The ZuluSCSI is a hybrid of the SCSI2HD hardware and SCSI firmware and=20 > the BlueSCSI management firmware.=C2=A0 With the SCSI2HD you needed a=20 > utility (mostly) to mange the settings of the SCSI2HD card. COpying=20 > the data to the card usually meant using a utility like dd or=20 > something that could write to specific places on the card. With the=20 > ZuluSCI you format the SD card in FAT or EX-FAT (if your disks are=20 > bigger than 4GB) and put them on the card with a specific name=20 > format.=C2=A0 The documentation explains it all pretty clearly. > > www.zuluscsi.com - US Store and some documentation > https://github.com/ZuluSCSI/ZuluSCSI-firmware/wiki/ZuluSCSI-Manual -=20 > Documentation > https://github.com/ZuluSCSI/ZuluSCSI-firmware - firmware > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09WB3D5GQ - Samsung PRO Endurance > https://semiconductor.samsung.com/consumer-storage/memory-card/micro-sd-pro= -endurance/=20 > - marketing info > Thanks, now I know what to ask for for Christmas! The only conflict I ever ran into was a Viking QDO would work in a=20 MicroVax II, but not in a PDP-11. The other problem I ran into was when I removed the SCSI bus termination=20 resistor pack from a V5 SCSI2SD and forgot the orientation on how to=20 re-install it. --===============8847648568191957211==-- From mhs.stein@gmail.com Sun Dec 3 21:36:41 2023 From: Mike Stein To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Burroughs TD700 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 16:36:13 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0778088085686781348==" --===============0778088085686781348== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I doubt it, Chris, but you never know; apparently there is someone out there more or less building one from scratch. I'm not even sure if I still have the display panel (or if it works). I sold and gave away some parts three or four years ago, including the technical manual with schematics of the cards, so at least documentation is out there somewhere (Tasmania, IIRC ;-) I'll let you know if I find the display; AFAIR it's an 8 line version. For anyone else interested, I do have two power supply/logic cabinets and the following cards: 16940801 P 16948051 C 16998650 D 16998692 H 16998734 J Without the tech docs I have no idea what they are, but for anyone needing one the info is out there. Perhaps the person with the manuals will read this and come forward; I don't believe they've been scanned. m On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 3:08=E2=80=AFPM Chris Coley wrot= e: > > Why are you scrapping them? > Are they generally complete? > > If there is enough to refurb into a unit I am interested. I'm in Sequim, W= A. > > Thanks > Chris > > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 12:01=E2=80=AFPM Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: >> >> Do any of you three or four TD700 owners out there need any parts? I'm >> about to scrap a couple (in the Toronto area). >> >> m --===============0778088085686781348==-- From van.snyder@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 3 21:44:13 2023 From: Van Snyder To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Trouble with a Samsung monitor Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 13:44:00 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6906821329606228659==" --===============6906821329606228659== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a formerly-gorgeous 27-inch Samsung monitor: Model LF27T350FHNXZA Serial 0AS1HCNR904588L S/W M-T3527FGGA-1006.1 that now has a minor defect. The "wallpaper" has a dim stripe about 1/6th of the screen width, top-to-bottom, about 1/6th from the right edge, where the blue band appears when I run its self test. Windows display almost normally, with a little bit of dimness in that band for some colors. White is fine, black is gray, .... Changing the wallpaper doesn't change it. Fiddling with its internal settings doesn't change it. Photo at http://vandykle.mynetgear.com/Samsung-27.jpg. Is this the sort of thing that can be repaired at reasonable cost, or should I just live with it until the monitor fails altogether? --===============6906821329606228659==-- From nw@retrocomputingtasmania.com Sun Dec 3 21:50:22 2023 From: Nigel Williams To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Burroughs TD700 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2023 08:50:06 +1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9210212910010197630==" --===============9210212910010197630== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 8:36=E2=80=AFAM Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > ... including the > technical manual with schematics of the cards, so at least > documentation is out there somewhere (Tasmania, IIRC ;-) Shared from here since 2019...for those that missed it :-) https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iihVNRfkd_zX_PwV30gKQTNLzLcnMEvm?usp= =3Dsharing --===============9210212910010197630==-- From wayne.sudol@hotmail.com Sun Dec 3 21:54:20 2023 From: Wayne S To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Trouble with a Samsung monitor Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 21:54:12 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6503581379173519437==" --===============6503581379173519437== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Probably one of the pulse xformers that drives the backlights. Buy a new moni= tor, they seem to be about what it would cost to repair it. https://www.samsung.com/us/business/computing/monitors/flat/27--led-monitor-w= ith-borderless-design-lf27t350fhnxza/ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2023, at 13:44, Van Snyder via cctalk wro= te: =EF=BB=BFI have a formerly-gorgeous 27-inch Samsung monitor: Model LF27T350FHNXZA Serial 0AS1HCNR904588L S/W M-T3527FGGA-1006.1 that now has a minor defect. The "wallpaper" has a dim stripe about 1/6th of the screen width, top-to-bottom, about 1/6th from the right edge, where the blue band appears when I run its self test. Windows display almost normally, with a little bit of dimness in that band for some colors. White is fine, black is gray, .... Changing the wallpaper doesn't change it. Fiddling with its internal settings doesn't change it. Photo at http://vandykle.mynetgear.com/Samsung-27.jpg. Is this the sort of thing that can be repaired at reasonable cost, or should I just live with it until the monitor fails altogether? --===============6503581379173519437==-- From osi.superboard@gmail.com Sun Dec 3 23:16:48 2023 From: "osi.superboard" To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Datapoint 2200 simulator - looking for more software. Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 23:15:54 +0000 Message-ID: <6219851b-a6da-4b8f-924d-4de5227ea958@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8269113685793632142==" --===============8269113685793632142== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mattis, here some Datapoint 2200 files, I made a copy off. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1SAXoQaJ_oQSYYJUIjJ1WlSr6SCDAbtRp?usp= =3Dsharing Hopefully one or the other useful tape file to discover Thomas On 03.12.2023 12:00, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > Hello! > > I have an ongoing project to restore a Datapoint 2200 version II and in the > process of doing so I created a small simulator for it to understand it > better. The simulator is now in the condition that it runs the cassettes > that I try on it quite well. > > The simulator compiles on Macos and Linux. > https://github.com/MattisLind/DP2200 > > A short movie clip when it is running: > https://youtu.be/XfsMBhP13ww?si=3DCHpFKe8eecWjdxDC > > Having a simulator for a 2200 if there is no software around is no point. > There are some tapes on bitsavers.org and a couple of other collectors do > have cassettes that can be read. > > But is there anyone else out there that is sitting on tapes for a Datapoint > 2200 (or 5500, 6000, 6600)? > > Tapes can be read on a normal mono audio cassette tape recorder and fed > into a PC which samples the signal, preferably at 44100 kHz with 16 bit > resolution. It is important to not overdrive the input of the computer so > that the signal becomes a square wave. > > /Mattis --===============8269113685793632142==-- From mhs.stein@gmail.com Mon Dec 4 00:40:33 2023 From: Mike Stein To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Burroughs TD700 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 19:40:06 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5709086077578627001==" --===============5709086077578627001== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry about that; now that you mention it, I do recall you scanning and posting the docs back then. Thanks! I wonder if the fellow building one from scratch is aware of their existence.= .. So, it looks like some or all of it is going to you; I don't think there's enough to put one back together anyway. m On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 4:50=E2=80=AFPM Nigel Williams wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 8:36=E2=80=AFAM Mike Stein via cctalk > wrote: > > ... including the > > technical manual with schematics of the cards, so at least > > documentation is out there somewhere (Tasmania, IIRC ;-) > > Shared from here since 2019...for those that missed it :-) > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iihVNRfkd_zX_PwV30gKQTNLzLcnMEvm?us= p=3Dsharing --===============5709086077578627001==-- From ccoley@zaphod.com Mon Dec 4 01:58:07 2023 From: Chris Coley To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Burroughs TD700 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 17:57:48 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0442447071157209788==" --===============0442447071157209788== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah with that limited set of parts I am less interested. I used to have a TD700 chassis that was modified for other uses and used the CRT monitor from a TD800 for another computer. But the Panaplex has always been tempting. I have an MT98x that I am planning to get working. Appears complete, but currently non functional. Looking for docs for it if anyone has them as opposed to reverse engineering it. Thanks Chris --===============0442447071157209788==-- From mhs.stein@gmail.com Mon Dec 4 04:08:18 2023 From: Mike Stein To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Signetics 3000KT8080SK bit slice 8080 emulator Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2023 23:07:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8308470387230912409==" --===============8308470387230912409== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any interest in one of these boards? Complete except for U3, an empty 16 pin DIP socket. With some kind of transition board attached from Zapsystems, a local builder IIRC. https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_signeticsdMicroprocessor_9921635/page/n= 43/mode/2up?view=3Dtheater --===============8308470387230912409==-- From mattislind@gmail.com Mon Dec 4 08:28:23 2023 From: Mattis Lind To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Datapoint 2200 simulator - looking for more software. Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2023 09:28:06 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6219851b-a6da-4b8f-924d-4de5227ea958@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6054076650086538076==" --===============6054076650086538076== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Den m=C3=A5n 4 dec. 2023 kl 00:16 skrev osi.superboard via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>: > Hi Mattis, > > here some Datapoint 2200 files, I made a copy off. > > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1SAXoQaJ_oQSYYJUIjJ1WlSr6SCDAbtRp?us= p=3Dsharing > > Hopefully one or the other useful tape file to discover > I actually have all those already. I found them on bitsavers. They have been tested on the simulator and many of them run well. Several of them are data tapes which cannot be booted. /Mattis > > Thomas > > On 03.12.2023 12:00, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I have an ongoing project to restore a Datapoint 2200 version II and in > the > > process of doing so I created a small simulator for it to understand it > > better. The simulator is now in the condition that it runs the cassettes > > that I try on it quite well. > > > > The simulator compiles on Macos and Linux. > > https://github.com/MattisLind/DP2200 > > > > A short movie clip when it is running: > > https://youtu.be/XfsMBhP13ww?si=3DCHpFKe8eecWjdxDC > > > > Having a simulator for a 2200 if there is no software around is no point. > > There are some tapes on bitsavers.org and a couple of other collectors > do > > have cassettes that can be read. > > > > But is there anyone else out there that is sitting on tapes for a > Datapoint > > 2200 (or 5500, 6000, 6600)? > > > > Tapes can be read on a normal mono audio cassette tape recorder and fed > > into a PC which samples the signal, preferably at 44100 kHz with 16 bit > > resolution. It is important to not overdrive the input of the computer so > > that the signal becomes a square wave. > > > > /Mattis > --===============6054076650086538076==-- From pbirkel@gmail.com Tue Dec 5 11:07:45 2023 From: pbirkel@gmail.com To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Ampex and the DG Compatible Market Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 06:07:35 -0500 Message-ID: <061a01da276b$40db0390$c2910ab0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8638143715775705305==" --===============8638143715775705305== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although I knew that Ampex was a supplier of Multibus non-volatile RAM boards (MC-8080 and MCM-8086) - Memory Products Division - I didn't realize that they had competed for a while in the DG-compatible market alongside companies like Digidyne, Fairchild, Bytronix, and SCI Systems (according to court documents and the trade press). Can anyone shed light on what they offered and when? And perhaps why? Thank you, paul --===============8638143715775705305==-- From g4ajq1@gmail.com Tue Dec 5 12:49:24 2023 From: Nigel Johnson Ham To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Ampex and the DG Compatible Market Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 07:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: <7dfe9709-0e9d-433a-b788-ad8813cff483@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <061a01da276b$40db0390$c2910ab0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0339150534533737176==" --===============0339150534533737176== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Around 1979 I was given a full-size Ampex 4k DG-compatible core memory board to try and interface to a MC6800 development system that I was building. IIRC I got it basically working but abandoned the project as the price of DRAMs fell and could populate a 16k RAM board within my budget. It was for a ham radio repeater controller. Wow!  I had almost forgotten that, and it was difficult to drag it from the little grey cells! cheers, Nigel On 2023-12-05 06:07, Paul Birkel via cctalk wrote: > Although I knew that Ampex was a supplier of Multibus non-volatile RAM > boards (MC-8080 and MCM-8086) - Memory Products Division - I didn't realize > that they had competed for a while in the DG-compatible market alongside > companies like Digidyne, Fairchild, Bytronix, and SCI Systems (according to > court documents and the trade press). > > > > Can anyone shed light on what they offered and when? And perhaps why? > > > > Thank you, > > paul > -- Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept! Skype: TILBURY2591 --===============0339150534533737176==-- From billdegnan@gmail.com Tue Dec 5 13:55:12 2023 From: Bill Degnan To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Ampex and the DG Compatible Market Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 08:54:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7dfe9709-0e9d-433a-b788-ad8813cff483@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0598629749992139938==" --===============0598629749992139938== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I can't at the moment, but I bet if one were to review a random assortment of CompuerWorld newspapers or industry magazine from the 70's (not Byte or a PC/retail) you'd see a lot of RAM vendor ads, Ampex included. I have at least one Ampex core RAM board, I always thought they were among market share leaders of minicomputer RAM in the 70's. Bill On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:49 AM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote: > Around 1979 I was given a full-size Ampex 4k DG-compatible core memory > board to try and interface to a MC6800 development system that I was > building. IIRC I got it basically working but abandoned the project as > the price of DRAMs fell and could populate a 16k RAM board within my > budget. It was for a ham radio repeater controller. > > Wow! I had almost forgotten that, and it was difficult to drag it from > the little grey cells! > > cheers, > > Nigel > > > On 2023-12-05 06:07, Paul Birkel via cctalk wrote: > > Although I knew that Ampex was a supplier of Multibus non-volatile RAM > > boards (MC-8080 and MCM-8086) - Memory Products Division - I didn't > realize > > that they had competed for a while in the DG-compatible market alongside > > companies like Digidyne, Fairchild, Bytronix, and SCI Systems (according > to > > court documents and the trade press). > > > > > > > > Can anyone shed light on what they offered and when? And perhaps why? > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > paul > > > -- > Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU > Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept! > Skype: TILBURY2591 > > --===============0598629749992139938==-- From pbirkel@gmail.com Tue Dec 5 14:29:06 2023 From: pbirkel@gmail.com To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Ampex and the DG Compatible Market Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 09:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: <063b01da2787$62b15cf0$281416d0$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2040352803205362667==" --===============2040352803205362667== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not surprising given that they had a whole "division" devoted to memory produ= cts. Core memory would have been reasonably close to their magnetic tape-exp= ertise. What is surprising is that they apparently sold a DG-compatible Nova= -class CPU. Something like the Digidyne "D.D. 112" (name found mentioned in = one legal filing in the DG lawsuit). I can't find anything specific about any of those vendors and their products.= List appears in "Fairchild Joins Four Others: Firm Starts $30 Million Suit = Against DG", Computerworld, Nov. 6 1978. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Degnan via cctalk =20 Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 8:55 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Cc: Bill Degnan Subject: [cctalk] Re: Ampex and the DG Compatible Market I can't at the moment, but I bet if one were to review a random assortment of= CompuerWorld newspapers or industry magazine from the 70's (not Byte or a PC= /retail) you'd see a lot of RAM vendor ads, Ampex included. I have at least = one Ampex core RAM board, I always thought they were among market share leade= rs of minicomputer RAM in the 70's. Bill On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:49=E2=80=AFAM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < cctalk(= a)classiccmp.org> wrote: > Around 1979 I was given a full-size Ampex 4k DG-compatible core memory=20 > board to try and interface to a MC6800 development system that I was=20 > building. IIRC I got it basically working but abandoned the project as=20 > the price of DRAMs fell and could populate a 16k RAM board within my=20 > budget. It was for a ham radio repeater controller. > > Wow! I had almost forgotten that, and it was difficult to drag it=20 > from the little grey cells! > > cheers, > > Nigel > > > On 2023-12-05 06:07, Paul Birkel via cctalk wrote: > > Although I knew that Ampex was a supplier of Multibus non-volatile=20 > > RAM boards (MC-8080 and MCM-8086) - Memory Products Division - I=20 > > didn't realize that they had competed for a while in the=20 > > DG-compatible market alongside companies like Digidyne, Fairchild,=20 > > Bytronix, and SCI Systems (according to court documents and the=20 > > trade press). > > > > > > > > Can anyone shed light on what they offered and when? And perhaps why? > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > paul > > > -- > Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the=20 > origin of the open-source concept! > Skype: TILBURY2591 > > --===============2040352803205362667==-- From info@schroeder-edv.de Tue Dec 5 15:26:35 2023 From: Lothar =?utf-8?q?Schr=C3=B6der?= To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Ampex and the DG Compatible Market Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 15:26:30 +0000 Message-ID: <170178999051.4006402.17103329768329604393@classiccmp.org> In-Reply-To: <063b01da2787$62b15cf0$281416d0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7934628208282109081==" --===============7934628208282109081== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hava a technical manual from 1977 for the ARM-3 16kx16 Magnetic Core Memory. It's designed for the DG NOVA3/4 and 3/10 minicomputers. In the manual is mentioned a ARM-2 Memory. Lothar --===============7934628208282109081==-- From elson@pico-systems.com Tue Dec 5 15:58:18 2023 From: Jon Elson To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Trouble with a Samsung monitor Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 09:58:10 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2943277472527837377==" --===============2943277472527837377== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/3/23 15:44, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > I have a formerly-gorgeous 27-inch Samsung monitor: > > Model LF27T350FHNXZA > Serial 0AS1HCNR904588L > S/W M-T3527FGGA-1006.1 > > that now has a minor defect. The "wallpaper" has a dim stripe about > 1/6th of the screen width, top-to-bottom, about 1/6th from the right > edge, where the blue band appears when I run its self test. Windows > display almost normally, with a little bit of dimness in that band for > some colors. White is fine, black is gray, .... Changing the wallpaper > doesn't change it. Fiddling with its internal settings doesn't change > it. Photo athttp://vandykle.mynetgear.com/Samsung-27.jpg. > > Is this the sort of thing that can be repaired at reasonable cost, or > should I just live with it until the monitor fails altogether? > My guess is that a vertical column driver chip has failed, or possibly gotten a bad solder joint to the glass. Some people have reported success by placing foam tape to apply pressure to the chip to apply a little pressure to the connections when the case is closed. Jon --===============2943277472527837377==-- From tshoppa@wmata.com Wed Dec 6 00:59:24 2023 From: "Shoppa, Tim" To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] SMS Scientific Micro Systems corp history? Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 00:59:17 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1461917269866465942==" --===============1461917269866465942== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SMS was based in Mountain View starting in the 70's. They sold DEC-compatible= Q-bus storage systems in the early 80's and transitioned into IBM PC disk st= orage ASICs and boards under the OMTI brand in the late 80s. What happened to them after that? Some CC'er in Silicon Valley must know :-) Tim N3QE Get Outlook for iOS --===============1461917269866465942==-- From cclist@sydex.com Wed Dec 6 01:52:50 2023 From: Chuck Guzis To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: SMS Scientific Micro Systems corp history? Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 17:52:35 -0800 Message-ID: <50b8db93-1c04-4232-87b8-3bac748f9b23@sydex.com> In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CDM6PR06MB4809E505F92C42927F898DE9BA84A=40DM6PR06MB?= =?utf-8?q?4809=2Enamprd06=2Eprod=2Eoutlook=2Ecom=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7134362162125989417==" --===============7134362162125989417== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/5/23 16:59, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: > SMS was based in Mountain View starting in the 70's. They sold DEC-compatib= le Q-bus storage systems in the early 80's and transitioned into IBM PC disk = storage ASICs and boards under the OMTI brand in the late 80s. >=20 SMS declared bankruptcy in 1988 after BofA ended their LOC. Assets were picked up by C&T in 1989 for $16M. C&T then sold off the board business and held onto the ASIC products. C&T made it clear that they had no interest in the board products and intended to sell it off even before the deal was finalized. Your typical silicon valley slice-and-dice. --Chuck --===============7134362162125989417==-- From g4ajq1@gmail.com Wed Dec 6 01:55:11 2023 From: Nigel Johnson Ham To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: SMS Scientific Micro Systems corp history? Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 20:55:03 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CDM6PR06MB4809E505F92C42927F898DE9BA84A=40DM6PR06MB?= =?utf-8?q?4809=2Enamprd06=2Eprod=2Eoutlook=2Ecom=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1056332022353413782==" --===============1056332022353413782== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for that, Tim.=C2=A0 I was VP Ops of the Canadian Distributor for Data= =20 Systems design, and we got a lot of fierce competition from SMS.=C2=A0=20 However, when non-patched drivers were called for, we won every time. SMS did have some speed advantages by going their own way though! I always wondered what happened to them! cheers, Nigel On 2023-12-05 19:59, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: > SMS was based in Mountain View starting in the 70's. They sold DEC-compatib= le Q-bus storage systems in the early 80's and transitioned into IBM PC disk = storage ASICs and boards under the OMTI brand in the late 80s. > > What happened to them after that? Some CC'er in Silicon Valley must know :-) > > Tim N3QE > > Get Outlook for iOS --=20 Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept! Skype: TILBURY2591 --===============1056332022353413782==-- From cclist@sydex.com Wed Dec 6 02:04:41 2023 From: Chuck Guzis To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: SMS Scientific Micro Systems corp history? Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 17:55:35 -0800 Message-ID: <0fdb298c-fc6f-46b8-b616-15e7a597e9f8@sydex.com> In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CDM6PR06MB4809E505F92C42927F898DE9BA84A=40DM6PR06MB?= =?utf-8?q?4809=2Enamprd06=2Eprod=2Eoutlook=2Ecom=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8397615584751123803==" --===============8397615584751123803== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A little addition is that after the sale to C&T, most of the SMS employees were shifted to Televideo who bought the SMS board business. --Chuck --===============8397615584751123803==-- From tommyeg@gmail.com Wed Dec 6 02:06:00 2023 From: Thomas G To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] VCFed warehouse closure reminder Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 21:05:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5942758974804204695==" --===============5942758974804204695== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, This is a reminder that the Vintage Computer Federation's warehouse will be sealed for renovation, reorganization, and inventorying starting on *January 1st, 2024*. As such, no items will be permitted into or out of the warehouse unless absolutely necessary. As many VCF members have used the warehouse for storage of their personal belongings, it is imperative that they either come to retrieve their belongings or notify me off-list ( thomas.gilinsky(a)vcfed.org) what of theirs is currently stowed in the warehouse so that I may tag it and relocate it outside of the warehouse. Please provide *verifiable proof* that the item in question is your personal property, AND that it was not given to VCF as a donation. *All items within the warehouse that have not been verified and tagged by January 1st will be treated as the property of VCF.* If your item has been verified and tagged before January 1st, but you are not able to collect it, then you will still be able to pick it up after the cut-off date, but *ONLY* if it has been verified and tagged. And, of course, we will periodically nag you to come collect as well. Thanks, -Thomas Gilinsky Vintage Computer Federation Warehouse Manager --===============5942758974804204695==-- From Bruce@Wild-Hare.com Wed Dec 6 02:54:03 2023 From: Bruce Ray To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Ampex and the DG Compatible Market Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 19:56:40 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <061a01da276b$40db0390$c2910ab0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0889613651895929490==" --===============0889613651895929490== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'day Paul - Indeed, Ampex sold Nova-compatible computers from around 1977. Ampex also sold memory systems for certain Nova series, PDP11, 11/70, DECsystem 10 and DECsystem 20, IBM, Unicac and Sigma 7 and 9(!). These in addition to the disk drives, tape drives, controllers, fixed-head disk emulators (using core) and OEM memory components. Bruce Ray Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc. Denver, Colorado USA bkr(a)WildHareComputers.com ...preserving the Data General legacy: www.NovasAreForever.org On 12/5/2023 4:07 AM, Paul Birkel via cctalk wrote: > Although I knew that Ampex was a supplier of Multibus non-volatile RAM > boards (MC-8080 and MCM-8086) - Memory Products Division - I didn't realize > that they had competed for a while in the DG-compatible market alongside > companies like Digidyne, Fairchild, Bytronix, and SCI Systems (according to > court documents and the trade press). > > > > Can anyone shed light on what they offered and when? And perhaps why? > > > > Thank you, > > paul > --===============0889613651895929490==-- From cclist@sydex.com Wed Dec 6 17:56:37 2023 From: Chuck Guzis To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] 3D printing the Difference Engine Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 09:56:26 -0800 Message-ID: <70a9879f-afba-4ba7-a325-5e23a7f304b2@sydex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5423730298663852456==" --===============5423730298663852456== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For your edification: https://hackaday.io/project/193805-3d-print-babbages-difference-engine-no2 --Chuck --===============5423730298663852456==-- From paulkoning@comcast.net Wed Dec 6 18:01:48 2023 From: Paul Koning To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: 3D printing the Difference Engine Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 13:01:18 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <70a9879f-afba-4ba7-a325-5e23a7f304b2@sydex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3181258444048405803==" --===============3181258444048405803== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Neat. In the same spirit it would be neat to make a replica of Jens Olsen's clock -= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Olsen%27s_World_Clock paul > On Dec 6, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >=20 > For your edification: >=20 > https://hackaday.io/project/193805-3d-print-babbages-difference-engine-no2 >=20 > --Chuck --===============3181258444048405803==-- From jeffrey@vcfed.org Thu Dec 7 04:07:35 2023 From: Jeffrey Brace To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] VCF East 2024 Pre-Event Survey Results Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 23:07:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0037636516154272771==" --===============0037636516154272771== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit https://bit.ly/vcfe2024pre_results --===============0037636516154272771==-- From curiousmarc3@gmail.com Thu Dec 7 20:27:54 2023 From: Curious Marc To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Datapoint 2200 simulator - looking for more software. Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2023 12:27:38 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9092194482440891142==" --===============9092194482440891142== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Awesome! Marc > On Dec 3, 2023, at 4:00 AM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFHello! >=20 > I have an ongoing project to restore a Datapoint 2200 version II and in the > process of doing so I created a small simulator for it to understand it > better. The simulator is now in the condition that it runs the cassettes > that I try on it quite well. >=20 > The simulator compiles on Macos and Linux. > https://github.com/MattisLind/DP2200 >=20 > A short movie clip when it is running: > https://youtu.be/XfsMBhP13ww?si=3DCHpFKe8eecWjdxDC >=20 > Having a simulator for a 2200 if there is no software around is no point. > There are some tapes on bitsavers.org and a couple of other collectors do > have cassettes that can be read. >=20 > But is there anyone else out there that is sitting on tapes for a Datapoint > 2200 (or 5500, 6000, 6600)? >=20 > Tapes can be read on a normal mono audio cassette tape recorder and fed > into a PC which samples the signal, preferably at 44100 kHz with 16 bit > resolution. It is important to not overdrive the input of the computer so > that the signal becomes a square wave. >=20 > /Mattis --===============9092194482440891142==-- From jeffrey@vcfed.org Thu Dec 7 23:00:40 2023 From: Jeffrey Brace To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] New Dates for VCF East 2024: April 12, 13, 14 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2023 18:00:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1690827473231097268==" --===============1690827473231097268== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have decided to move VCF East to April 12, 13 & 14. There was a significant number of people that were traveling to see the solar eclipse, which takes place on April 8 in the United States. If we didn't move the date, then attendance would have been impacted significantly. Those dates are available at InfoAge and are now reserved. More details will be coming soon: * Consignment moving to a new more spacious location * Possible on-site food cooking * Discount hotel blocks * More great speakers * Plus more! The themes this year: 1) The Rise of the GUI 2) Computer Art Thanks! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner VCF Mid-Atlantic Event Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ --===============1690827473231097268==-- From lproven@gmail.com Sun Dec 10 22:04:31 2023 From: Liam Proven To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] IBM .BOO format Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 22:04:23 +0000 Message-ID: <74bd1710-1083-4d2f-a284-4d7fef3dca37@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6894894415426977869==" --===============6894894415426977869== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anyone have any experience with the IBM BookManager format and the tools to read it? I've not found any way to open them on a Mac. No joy on Linux yet either; there's an old unmaintained tool that uses a 32-bit Java app. I found 2 Windows tools. One, IBM Library Reader, won't install on Win11. https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-library-reader-windows The other a Java app, IBM Softcopy Reader. https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-softcopy-reader It installs and runs on Win11 and I can print to PDF -- but only 1 page at a time. Selecting multiple pages give me an empty PDF. I found the original IBM CUA documentation and want to convert it to some more modern, open format, but I am not having much luck... -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven(a)cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lproven(a)gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven IoM: +44 7624 227612 ~ UK: +44 7939-087884 ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 --===============6894894415426977869==-- From cclist@sydex.com Mon Dec 11 00:14:55 2023 From: Chuck Guzis To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 16:08:47 -0800 Message-ID: <93132c85-510a-4858-a5ad-ce27bc73a906@sydex.com> In-Reply-To: <74bd1710-1083-4d2f-a284-4d7fef3dca37@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4542860190405723830==" --===============4542860190405723830== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/10/23 14:04, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with the IBM BookManager format and the > tools to read it? > Have you looked at http://kev009.com/wp/projects/boo2pdf/ --chuck --===============4542860190405723830==-- From dave.g4ugm@gmail.com Mon Dec 11 09:34:23 2023 From: dave.g4ugm@gmail.com To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 09:34:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1e0601da2c15$363836c0$a2a8a440$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74bd1710-1083-4d2f-a284-4d7fef3dca37@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1204932089376634019==" --===============1204932089376634019== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: Liam Proven via cctalk > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 10:04 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Cc: Liam Proven > Subject: [cctalk] IBM .BOO format >=20 > Does anyone have any experience with the IBM BookManager format and the > tools to read it? Yes, it=E2=80=99s a pain. >=20 > I've not found any way to open them on a Mac. No joy on Linux yet either; > there's an old unmaintained tool that uses a 32-bit Java app. >=20 It should be possible to run one of the Java viewers on Linux. More info here https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/ibm-book-boo-files.59907/ but you are probably still stuck with the only print one page bug. > I found 2 Windows tools. >=20 > One, IBM Library Reader, won't install on Win11. >=20 > https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-library-reader-windows >=20 I used this :- https://github.com/otya128/winevdm to install this on Windows/11. Its clunky but it kind of works. I can't see w= hy it won't run under Wine, it=E2=80=99s a 16-bit windows app. It will print the whole file but it loses some images. > The other a Java app, IBM Softcopy Reader. >=20 > https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-softcopy-reader >=20 > It installs and runs on Win11 and I can print to PDF -- but only 1 page at = a time. > Selecting multiple pages give me an empty PDF. >=20 Yes, I guess there is a bug in the Java. Never managed to sort this. > I found the original IBM CUA documentation and want to convert it to some > more modern, open format, but I am not having much luck... >=20 It=E2=80=99s a problem with .boo files. Only IBM seem to understand the forma= t. You best bet would be the first app, but you will then need to fix the images= in the PDF.=20 A lot of work... .... actually I wonder if Dave McGuire has a copy of the full Book Manager on= a Mainframe. That might have better print options. If you want to send me a link to what you want converting I can try for you... >=20 > -- > Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lproven(a)cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lproven(a)gmail.com > Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven > IoM: +44 7624 227612 ~ UK: +44 7939-087884 > =C4=8CR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 Dave --===============1204932089376634019==-- From dave.g4ugm@gmail.com Mon Dec 11 09:35:29 2023 From: dave.g4ugm@gmail.com To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 09:35:23 +0000 Message-ID: <1e0701da2c15$5dbaa7a0$192ff6e0$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <93132c85-510a-4858-a5ad-ce27bc73a906@sydex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3860621767987640899==" --===============3860621767987640899== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Guzis via cctalk > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:09 AM > To: Liam Proven via cctalk > Cc: Chuck Guzis > Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format > > On 12/10/23 14:04, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > Does anyone have any experience with the IBM BookManager format and > > the tools to read it? > > > > Have you looked at http://kev009.com/wp/projects/boo2pdf/ Sadly it doesn't work, and the source code has gone as well > > --chuck > Dave --===============3860621767987640899==-- From dave.g4ugm@gmail.com Mon Dec 11 09:59:12 2023 From: dave.g4ugm@gmail.com To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 09:58:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1e0801da2c18$9b07d530$d1177f90$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1e0701da2c15$5dbaa7a0$192ff6e0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7190284515796204228==" --===============7190284515796204228== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: dave.g4ugm(a)gmail.com > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 9:35 AM > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chuck Guzis via cctalk > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:09 AM > > To: Liam Proven via cctalk > > Cc: Chuck Guzis > > Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format > > > > On 12/10/23 14:04, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > > Does anyone have any experience with the IBM BookManager format and > > > the tools to read it? > > > > > > > Have you looked at http://kev009.com/wp/projects/boo2pdf/ >=20 > Sadly it doesn't work, and the source code has gone as well Sorry Chuck, the source code does appear to be in github.=20 It looks like the "transmogrifier" in there might solve the problems I had wi= th images=20 >=20 > > > > --chuck > > >=20 > Dave Dave --===============7190284515796204228==-- From ik@yvanj.me Mon Dec 11 12:05:24 2023 From: Yvan Janssens To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 13:05:07 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e0801da2c18$9b07d530$d1177f90$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5070024098539561916==" --===============5070024098539561916== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have quite some experience with this: - I managed to reconstruct the long-lost BookManager Server product for Linux, allowing you to render them as a CGI-bin. Sadly, this got a DMCA takedown, however, the work is trivial to reproduce - you have to download the individual software updates and puzzle them together to get a full-ish install. You will be missing assets, but you can find them in the Internet Archive's wayback machine to complete your efforts (eg .GIF files used to build the UX). You will also have to use ltrace to figure out the last missing bits since it's a cruft that uses dlopen() creatively. Don't expose this CGI to the public internet though; just poking at it to get it to work exposed easy-to-exploit vulnerabilities to get RCX on your machine. - I also have a S/390 and z14, and the S/390 has the OS/390 version of the BookManager Server and Reader. You'd have a much better experience using that one imho since that 3270-based reader is a lot better than the Windows or Web versions. Someone once made a 3390 volume with all .BOO files known to him. I keep quite a few of /400s and my /390 + z14, so I'm often exposed to documentation in this format. It's not that hard to deal with once you have a working reader setup - just make sure to avoid the Java cruft. /y On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 at 10:58, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dave.g4ugm(a)gmail.com > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 9:35 AM > > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' < > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > > Subject: RE: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chuck Guzis via cctalk > > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 12:09 AM > > > To: Liam Proven via cctalk > > > Cc: Chuck Guzis > > > Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format > > > > > > On 12/10/23 14:04, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any experience with the IBM BookManager format and > > > > the tools to read it? > > > > > > > > > > Have you looked at http://kev009.com/wp/projects/boo2pdf/ > > > > Sadly it doesn't work, and the source code has gone as well > > Sorry Chuck, the source code does appear to be in github. > It looks like the "transmogrifier" in there might solve the problems I had > with images > > > > > > > > > --chuck > > > > > > > Dave > Dave > > -- Sent using CompuServe 1.22 --===============5070024098539561916==-- From david4602@gmail.com Mon Dec 11 18:48:37 2023 From: David Schmidt To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 13:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: <9cef1953-5e97-4a00-acce-becb45306206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <170231760913.2847341.17623681213993583637@classiccmp.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6101046607848092026==" --===============6101046607848092026== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/11/23 1:00 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with the IBM BookManager format and the > tools to read it? > > I've not found any way to open them on a Mac. No joy on Linux yet > either; there's an old unmaintained tool that uses a 32-bit Java app. > > I found 2 Windows tools. > > One, IBM Library Reader, won't install on Win11. I have it running in a Windows NT VM, and it prints to PDF using BullZip just fine. Do you want to point to the library you want to convert, and I can run this over them? --===============6101046607848092026==-- From lproven@gmail.com Tue Dec 12 15:14:20 2023 From: Liam Proven To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:14:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9cef1953-5e97-4a00-acce-becb45306206@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5201971908219798091==" --===============5201971908219798091== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 at 18:48, David Schmidt via cctalk wrote: > > I have it running in a Windows NT VM, and it prints to PDF using BullZip > just fine. Do you want to point to the library you want to convert, and > I can run this over them? Thank you! I found one on the Internet Archive already -- it's here: https://archive.org/details/sc34-4399-00 This is: f29al000.boo The one I haven't found yet is: f29bdg00.boo I have a local copy but I did not record where I got it... >_< -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven(a)cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven(a)gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 --===============5201971908219798091==-- From david4602@gmail.com Tue Dec 12 22:06:23 2023 From: David Schmidt To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 22:06:20 +0000 Message-ID: <170241878084.4006402.2864009528612092335@classiccmp.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0142386788000092873==" --===============0142386788000092873== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ran the Windows reader over the f29al000.boo file, and the results weren't= as good as the ones that IBM printed out in 1992 as available on the Interne= t Archive; the main problems I can see is the lack of font support (everythin= g in my PDF was basically Courier), and most tables were broken in both (even= the old IBM one). So if you want to make the f29bdg00.boo file available I = can at least get a Courier version of it back to you. Related to IBM CUA/Workplace Shell stuff... I do have a demonstration floppy = around here somewhere of early CUA ideas that IBM put out BITD, if that's par= t of the itch you're trying to scratch.) - David --===============0142386788000092873==-- From jeffrey@vcfed.org Tue Dec 12 23:57:38 2023 From: Jeffrey Brace To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Vintage Computer Festival 6 talks recovered! Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 18:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0544037058262954595==" --===============0544037058262954595== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's been 20 years now since VCF 6. VCF 6 took place October 11-12th, 2003 at the Computer History Museum The web page for that event is: https://vcfed.org/events/archives-show-summaries/vcf-west-archives/vcf-west-6= -0/ Due to the extraordinary efforts of Kay Savetz, Clay Cowgill, and Josh Malone over the past two years, some of the talks from Vintage Computer Festival 6 have been recovered! The recordings were in very poor condition and took extreme measures to recover. The audio is often not good. Sometimes it is very bad. But this is the best that they could do from very bad recordings. C. H. Ting, Jef Raskin, John Ellenby, and Gary Starkweather are dead now, so these are voices from those who passed. They have the audio of the five recoverable sessions from VCF 2003 up at Internet Archive. Len Shustek =E2=80=93 Computer History Museum https://archive.org/details/len-shustek-computer-history-museum Bruce Damer =E2=80=93 The Joys and Trials of Computer Collecting https://archive.org/details/bruce-damer-computer-collecting David Jaffe / C. H. Ting / Kevin Appert / Dwight Elvey =E2=80=93 Forth https://archive.org/details/vcf2003_forth Jef Raskin =E2=80=93 Apple and the Humane Environment https://archive.org/details/vcf2003_jef-raskin John Ellenby / Gary Starkweather / Dave Robson / Peter Deutsch / Charles Simonyi =E2=80=93 Xerox Alto panel https://archive.org/details/xerox-alto-panel =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner VCF Mid-Atlantic Event Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ --===============0544037058262954595==-- From lproven@gmail.com Wed Dec 13 13:13:58 2023 From: Liam Proven To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: IBM .BOO format Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:13:42 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <170241878084.4006402.2864009528612092335@classiccmp.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6287024279171355042==" --===============6287024279171355042== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 at 22:06, David Schmidt via cctalk wrote: > > I ran the Windows reader over the f29al000.boo file, and the results weren= 't as good as the ones that IBM printed out in 1992 as available on the Inter= net Archive; the main problems I can see is the lack of font support (everyth= ing in my PDF was basically Courier) Agreed -- same here. > and most tables were broken in both (even the old IBM one) TBH I didn't notice that! > So if you want to make the f29bdg00.boo file available I can at least get = a Courier version of it back to you. That would be wonderful -- thank you! Would a ~6.5MB email attachment be OK? > Related to IBM CUA/Workplace Shell stuff... I do have a demonstration flopp= y around here somewhere of early CUA ideas that IBM put out BITD, if that's p= art of the itch you're trying to scratch.) It's not but it certainly sounds fun. :-) --=20 Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven(a)cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven(a)gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 --===============6287024279171355042==-- From doug@doughq.com Wed Dec 13 21:17:25 2023 From: Doug Jackson To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: 6800 fig-FORTH? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 20:57:44 +1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <226BE11B-5BE7-42E2-9F2C-1F3B161E1E20@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4114855306811340368==" --===============4114855306811340368== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stephen, Sorry to use your Fig Forth thread - I too have a Corsham 6809 system, with a SD card - I can not for the life of me figure out what files / how to put stuff onto the SD card to boot - either Basic or Flex/09. If you had success down the Fig route that would also be great - but do you remember how to use the SD system? Kindest regards, Doug Jackson em: doug(a)doughq.com ph: 0414 986878 Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 05:16, Stephen Pereira via cctech < cctech(a)classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I know there's not much 6800 activity here, but I figure this would be > worth a try. > > Has anyone here ever seen or ever had fig-FORTH for the 6800 working? > > I have a SWTPC replica system from Bob Applegate / Corsham Technologies, > and I love it. It came with a complete 64K RAM, as well as the SWIBUG > monitor, and the monitor code has been extended by Bob/Corsham to interface > with an SD Card sub-system for floppy disk emulation. This provides the > original terminal access to the machine with the simple system monitor, and > also the FLEX OS for running programs. It is a blast to use. > > Recently, I took a look around and found the fig-FORTH listing as > originally published back in 1979, and also a Source Forge site that holds > an electronic copy: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/asm...th_6800-stuff/ < > https://sourceforge.net/projects/asm68c/files/fig-forth_6800-stuff/> > > I've managed to get the source code to assemble with a cross-assembler > supplied by Bob/Corsham. It does not produce an exact copy of the original > code, because the code uses the JMP instruction pretty much exclusively, > and the assembler substitutes a relative BRA instruction sometimes. So my > code ends up being several bytes shorter because of saving one byte each > time a JMP is replaced by a BRA. That said, it appears to me that the code > matches up with the original listing otherwise. > > So my problem is this: When I run the code on my system, fig-FORTH seems > to sign on, and will accept input from the keyboard (double echos of each > key typed) but it then does not proceed to interpret the command entered. > The interesting thing I see by winding my way around in the code is that it > has already properly performed a bunch of setup and produces the initial > "Forth-68" sign on, and that has required it to already be using many of > the Forth commands that were defined by machine language. This indicates to > me that some of the command interpretation is working. The I/O from/to the > terminal is by calls to the system monitor I/O routines, and that seems to > be also working, despite the double echos of the typed characters. It just > does not proceed to interpret what is typed in at all. > > Of course, I have no idea if this code ever worked properly, or if I am > encountering early buggy code. So I'm looking to see if anyone else has > ever seen the fig-FORTH working on a 6800 system? Any pointers to good > working code? > > Thanks for listening! > > smp > - - - > Stephen Pereira > Bedford, NH 03110 > KB1SXE > > > --===============4114855306811340368==-- From brian@quarterbyte.com Wed Dec 13 21:18:01 2023 From: brian@quarterbyte.com To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] (no subject) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:48:10 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4432004302228453985==" --===============4432004302228453985== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The one I haven't found yet is: f29bdg00.boo The Google suggests: http://www.edm2.com/index.php/Common_User_Access which has working links to f29al000.boo and f29bdg00.boo on IBM servers I've done a lot of work converting technical documentation archives from DCF and Bookmaster to Word and XML, but always worked from source, never .BOO. --===============4432004302228453985==-- From davida@pobox.com Wed Dec 13 22:48:57 2023 From: David Arnold To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: (no subject) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:40:58 +1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4634812392075728187==" --===============4634812392075728187== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On 14 Dec 2023, at 08:18, brian--- via cctalk wro= te: -8<=E2=80=94- > I've done a lot of work converting technical documentation archives from > DCF and Bookmaster to Word and XML, but always worked from source, never > .BOO. A quick search suggests both Bookmaster and DCF use a library called GDDM whi= ch sounds like it is a device independent graphics format / renderer. Perhaps= the .BOO format is related to this? In a different avenue of exploration, looking at some .BOO files in a hex edi= tor, they do appear to use EBCDIC text, and near the start of the file there = seems to be a long sequence of word fragments: often the trailing part of wor= ds. That suggested to me that perhaps it might be some sort of lookup table-= based compression scheme for the text.=20 I haven=E2=80=99t investigated beyond that yet. Someone in IBM must know, I suppose.=20 d --===============4634812392075728187==-- From brian@quarterbyte.com Wed Dec 13 23:50:31 2023 From: brian@quarterbyte.com To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 15:50:16 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0018398499381023518==" --===============0018398499381023518== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Someone in IBM must know, I suppose. More likely, someone in IBM must have known. But I would hazard a guess that almost everyone who had direct internal knowledge of DCF, GML/Bookmaster, and the BOO format has already retired. Charles Goldfarb was born in 1939.... brian --===============0018398499381023518==-- From lproven@gmail.com Thu Dec 14 18:05:41 2023 From: Liam Proven To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: (no subject) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 18:05:24 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4213880409249834943==" --===============4213880409249834943== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 at 21:18, brian--- via cctalk w= rote: > > > > > The one I haven't found yet is: > > f29bdg00.boo > > > The Google suggests: > http://www.edm2.com/index.php/Common_User_Access > which has working links to f29al000.boo and f29bdg00.boo on IBM servers Well spotted. If I was unclear: I have downloads of both. I failed to make a note _where_ I downloaded them from. There are quite a few pages with download links that no longer work. This may have been where I found it! --=20 Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven(a)cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven(a)gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 --===============4213880409249834943==-- From ccth6600@gmail.com Tue Dec 19 12:26:53 2023 From: Tom Hunter To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: PDP 11/34 or 11/04 front panel question Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:26:27 +0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0765358824633111259==" --===============0765358824633111259== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just realised that I never followed up on this. After some research and a few phone calls to manufacturer support lines I settled on SikaBond SprayFix as the glue. The glue is advertised as "contains no chlorinated solvents", is "suitable for indoor use", is based on a "synthetic polymer", is "repositionable for 1-2 minutes" and has a "low odour". Sounded just right for this application. I first tried the glue on the bottom left of the plastic sheet which is normally obscured by the cast metal front. Next morning there was no indication of any paint damage in the sprayed area. I cleaned the aluminium plate with aceton and the plastic sheet with ethyl-alcohol. I built a jig out of a timber board with two thin metal rods inserted as alignment pins matching the alignment holes in the aluminium plate and plastic sheet. I then masked the red transparent areas of the plastic sheet with low-tack masking tape to prevent glue from getting onto them. This keeps them nice and clean for good visibility of the LEDs and 6 digit 7-segment display. With the aluminium plate mounted to the jig I applied a thin layer of the glue and then the same onto the plastic sheet which was laid out on a sheet of paper. I then moved the plastic sheet onto a fresh sheet of paper to avoid contamination of the front side with glue while I removed the protective masking tape. Finally I assembled the plastic sheet onto the aluminium plate with the aid of the alignment pins and immediately pressed the two halves firmly together. After a few minutes I removed the now securely glued assembly from the jig, flipped it over onto another fresh sheet of paper on the edge of a flat table with the plastic down onto the paper. I placed some weights onto the top (i.e. the aluminium sheet) to let it dry and bond for a few more hours. The front panel has now been re-assembled and is fully functional and beautiful. :-) On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 9:33 AM Tom Hunter wrote: > The PDP 11/34 and 11/04 front panels (both operator and programmer) use a > somewhat stiff plastic sheet of 1.0 mm thickness with DEC logo, model > designation, labels for the keys printed on it, cut-outs for the keypad and > knob and red transparent sections for LEDs and 6 digit 7-segment display. > > I don't know what the industry calls this type of plastic sheet? Is it a > "decal"??? > > This plastic sheet is (was) fixed to an anodized aluminium plate (1.6 mm > thickness) using some type of glue which has deteriorated so that the > plastic sheet has separated from the aluminium plate. > > The glue looks like it has been sprayed on and has a light yellowish-brown > appearance. The glue readily dissolves in ethyl-alcohol and acetone, but is > unaffected by water, petrol (gasoline) and dry cleaning fluid (white > spirits). > > I would like to glue the plastic sheet back onto the aluminium plate, but > worry about damaging the plastic sheet and/or paint by the solvents in > typical glues. > Also some glues don't allow any adjustment once you combine the two halves > of whatever you glue together. > > What type of plastic is this plastic sheet likely made of (polycarbonate?) > and what paint was used? I am asking to determine what solvent based glues > may attack either the plastic sheet or the painted surfaces. > > The dark grey and transparent red paints are applied to the back side of > the plastic sheet, so they are vulnerable to solvent attack when glueing. I > tried ethyl-alcohol in one corner which is obscured by the cast metal > surround and some of the dark gray colour came off with the alcohol and > gentle rubbing. > > Has anyone successfully glued back the plastic sheet to the aluminium > plate? If yes, what type of glue did you use and how exactly did you do the > operation? > > Any suggestions, advice or tips? > > Thanks and best regards > Tom Hunter > > --===============0765358824633111259==-- From jrr@flippers.com Tue Dec 19 15:45:40 2023 From: John Robertson To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: PDP 11/34 or 11/04 front panel question Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 07:45:30 -0800 Message-ID: <41a65667-9185-4a49-9369-37e906bccf7d@flippers.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0599946620182186119==" --===============0599946620182186119== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2023/12/19 4:26 a.m., Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > I just realised that I never followed up on this. > > After some research and a few phone calls to manufacturer support lines I > settled on SikaBond SprayFix as the glue. > > ... > > The front panel has now been re-assembled and is fully functional and > beautiful. :-) Might you have Before and After photos? Sounds like this is a useful product to have in the shop! Thanks, John :-#)# > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 9:33 AM Tom Hunter wrote: > >> The PDP 11/34 and 11/04 front panels (both operator and programmer) use a >> somewhat stiff plastic sheet of 1.0 mm thickness with DEC logo, model >> designation, labels for the keys printed on it, cut-outs for the keypad and >> knob and red transparent sections for LEDs and 6 digit 7-segment display. >> >> I don't know what the industry calls this type of plastic sheet? Is it a >> "decal"??? >> >> This plastic sheet is (was) fixed to an anodized aluminium plate (1.6 mm >> thickness) using some type of glue which has deteriorated so that the >> plastic sheet has separated from the aluminium plate. >> >> The glue looks like it has been sprayed on and has a light yellowish-brown >> appearance. The glue readily dissolves in ethyl-alcohol and acetone, but is >> unaffected by water, petrol (gasoline) and dry cleaning fluid (white >> spirits). >> >> I would like to glue the plastic sheet back onto the aluminium plate, but >> worry about damaging the plastic sheet and/or paint by the solvents in >> typical glues. >> Also some glues don't allow any adjustment once you combine the two halves >> of whatever you glue together. >> >> What type of plastic is this plastic sheet likely made of (polycarbonate?) >> and what paint was used? I am asking to determine what solvent based glues >> may attack either the plastic sheet or the painted surfaces. >> >> The dark grey and transparent red paints are applied to the back side of >> the plastic sheet, so they are vulnerable to solvent attack when glueing. I >> tried ethyl-alcohol in one corner which is obscured by the cast metal >> surround and some of the dark gray colour came off with the alcohol and >> gentle rubbing. >> >> Has anyone successfully glued back the plastic sheet to the aluminium >> plate? If yes, what type of glue did you use and how exactly did you do the >> operation? >> >> Any suggestions, advice or tips? >> >> Thanks and best regards >> Tom Hunter >> >> -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" --===============0599946620182186119==-- From cc@alderson.users.panix.com Wed Dec 20 18:32:23 2023 From: Rich Alderson To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] HAPPY DEC-20 DAY! Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 13:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: <4SwMG02LMFzfYm@panix5.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5691701716120335265==" --===============5691701716120335265== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy DEC-20 Day! My late friend Mark always noted that TOPS-20 (and the DECSYSTEM-20 on which = it runs) was a great improvement on its successors. I wish you all a joyous Winter Solstice Festival, however you may choose to celebrate it. Rich --===============5691701716120335265==-- From mark@wickensonline.co.uk Wed Dec 20 18:34:32 2023 From: Mark Wickens To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: HAPPY DEC-20 DAY! Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 18:34:14 +0000 Message-ID: <919973C1-4712-44ED-A446-EB8C82A64DDC@wickensonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4SwMG02LMFzfYm@panix5.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3653920574450081435==" --===============3653920574450081435== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rich Hope everything is well with you. Mark=20 Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Dec 2023, at 18:32, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF Happy DEC-20 Day! >=20 > My late friend Mark always noted that TOPS-20 (and the DECSYSTEM-20 on whic= h it > runs) was a great improvement on its successors. >=20 > I wish you all a joyous Winter Solstice Festival, however you may choose to > celebrate it. >=20 > Rich --===============3653920574450081435==-- From bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca Wed Dec 20 19:06:29 2023 From: ben To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: HAPPY DEC-20 DAY! Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 12:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4SwMG02LMFzfYm@panix5.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0090172061518004321==" --===============0090172061518004321== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2023-12-20 11:16 a.m., Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: > Happy DEC-20 Day! >=20 > My late friend Mark always noted that TOPS-20 (and the DECSYSTEM-20 on whic= h it > runs) was a great improvement on its successors. >=20 > I wish you all a joyous Winter Solstice Festival, however you may choose to > celebrate it. >=20 Good to see it back. > Rich Ben. PS for 18 days ago, the 2 http://lightning.locl.net/homes/pdp2/ PPS some say the PDP 2 was PDP 1 with a different core memory. --===============0090172061518004321==-- From bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca Wed Dec 20 19:08:06 2023 From: ben To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: HAPPY DEC-20 DAY! Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 12:07:52 -0700 Message-ID: <65e7d69b-6c97-49e2-9aec-ef04cb22e404@jetnet.ab.ca> In-Reply-To: <4SwMG02LMFzfYm@panix5.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1731947367985716294==" --===============1731947367985716294== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2023-12-20 11:16 a.m., Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: > I wish you all a joyous Winter Solstice Festival, however you may choose to > celebrate it. I like the day after, the days get longer again. > Rich Ben, in the dark. --===============1731947367985716294==-- From cz@bunsen.crystel.com Wed Dec 20 20:16:59 2023 From: Christopher Zach To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: HAPPY DEC-20 DAY! Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 14:19:42 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5318940663411076829==" --===============5318940663411076829== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> My late friend Mark always noted that TOPS-20 (and the DECSYSTEM-20 on >> which it >> runs) was a great improvement on its successors. >> >> I wish you all a joyous Winter Solstice Festival, however you may >> choose to >> celebrate it. Indeed Rich and everyone. Good to be on this list, and good to meet so many people. MC continues to sit quietly in my shed, this year I did get it unburied and removed most of the boards for cleaning. Looks like everything is there, the question now is to get the CPU chassis out and find the power supply that I stored in my attic 20 or so years ago. If the supply still works (and it's a pretty nice switching supply) maybe I'll take the backplane out of the box and clean it in the spring.... I wonder how his brother AI is doing. Is it cold in what's left of the CHM? Is it dark? Is AI lonely, missing people @SUPDUPing in and all that? Happy Holidays everyone. --===============5318940663411076829==-- From bear@typewritten.org Fri Dec 22 22:13:00 2023 From: "r.stricklin" To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] programming the IBM PC synchronous serial boards (Northstar Advantage project) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:11:46 -0800 Message-ID: <72078C47-74FC-42B1-9BEE-B3F8E4F95CCF@typewritten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2522791469200160861==" --===============2522791469200160861== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did IBM ever publish programming information for their PC SDLC or BiSync comm= unications boards? I=E2=80=99m wondering about the possibility of programming= one to drive the synchronous protocol needed for =E2=80=9Cbooting=E2=80=9D a= Northstar Advantage over its serial port.=20 Or, for that matter, wondering what Northstar had in mind when they made that= protocol synchronous - what would they have had driving it? ok bear. --===============2522791469200160861==-- From robert.jarratt@ntlworld.com Fri Dec 22 22:36:23 2023 From: Rob Jarratt To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] VT100: Replacement for B411 Transistor Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 22:36:14 +0000 Message-ID: <005301da3527$45d4c6a0$d17e53e0$@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7840757087045501743==" --===============7840757087045501743== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I have got my VT100 basically working now except for the actual video display. I think there is a problem with the transistor that drives the flyback transformer. This is Q414 on page 58 of the Feb82 schematic on BitSavers (https://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/terminal/vt100/MP00633_VT100_Schematic_Feb82. pdf). I have removed it from the circuit and tested it with the diode tester of my multimeter. It does not test as two diodes, indeed across Collector-Base the multimeter beeps for a short circuit, and so I am fairly sure it is bad, The part is the one with the heatsink as shown in this picture: https://rjarratt.files.wordpress.com/2023/12/img_20231221_112305.jpg. I have found some information on it here: https://www.web-bcs.com/transistor/tc/b0/B411.php but the Feb82 schematic shows it is a BU407D. My video board is not exactly the same as the one in the schematic despite having the same DEC part number, but the circuit that drives the flyback is the same on the secondary side of T403, and includes the optional diode CR406 in the form of another B411 transistor that is not connected at the emitter. I am trying to identify a replacement and could do with some help identifying one. I can't find a full datasheet for the B411, all I can find is this https://www.web-bcs.com/transistor/tc/b0/B411.php, which seems to match the part I need to replace, and I have also found one for a BU407 (not BU407D) here https://www.mouser.co.uk/datasheet/2/308/1/BU407_D-2310257.pdf. I have tried to find something that meets or exceeds the voltage, current and switching time specs. I have found a couple of possible replacements and would welcome opinions on their suitability: https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2861437.pdf and https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/3033460.pdf (assuming that the switching times are a typo and they are in microseconds rather than seconds) Do these seem like suitable replacements? Thanks Rob --===============7840757087045501743==-- From glen.slick@gmail.com Sat Dec 23 00:03:11 2023 From: Glen Slick To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: programming the IBM PC synchronous serial boards (Northstar Advantage project) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:02:54 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <72078C47-74FC-42B1-9BEE-B3F8E4F95CCF@typewritten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7249664070941249772==" --===============7249664070941249772== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 2:13=E2=80=AFPM r.stricklin via cctalk wrote: > > Did IBM ever publish programming information for their PC SDLC or BiSync co= mmunications boards? I=E2=80=99m wondering about the possibility of programmi= ng one to drive the synchronous protocol needed for =E2=80=9Cbooting=E2=80=9D= a Northstar Advantage over its serial port. > Are you looking for something beyond the low level information in the IBM Options and Adapters reference manuals? https://minuszerodegrees.net/oa/oa.htm IBM Synchronous Data Link Control (SDLC) Adapter https://minuszerodegrees.net/oa/OA%20-%20IBM%20SDLC%20Adapter.pdf IBM Binary Synchronous Communications (BSC) Adapter https://minuszerodegrees.net/oa/OA%20-%20IBM%20Binary%20Synchronous%20Communi= cations%20Adapter.pdf --===============7249664070941249772==-- From lewissa78@gmail.com Sat Dec 23 00:23:02 2023 From: Steve Lewis To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] some old PC-DOS file managers Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 18:22:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2697401677997310241==" --===============2697401677997310241== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all! I'm looking for a couple "file manager" type pieces of software. I can't find them on WinWorld. First one is from about 1984-1985, possibly called DRBOSS.COM, I just remember it used IBM extended graphics for "window" borders (which were colored red) and the filenames were either in gray or green. The main feature was you could select a few files at a time, then do some operation on those selected ones. And as a .COM it was well under 64K. The other is from around 1996, and called MWIZ or Menu Wizard. Apparently there were a few variations with possibly the same/similar name. All I recall about this one is it came with both a .EXE and a .COM, and was written by a person named Tony. I believe it was available on the '96 or '97 BYTE magazine CD, and possibly also on CompuServe (I'm not current on what the state of any CompuServe archives are these days). Not urgent - just curious if they could be found. And if anyone is in an MS-DOS mood throughout the holiday break: I still find my ancient CDIR.EXE useful even in DOSBOX or on my physical IBM 5150. It is available in my utility collection archived here: https://github.com/voidstar78/VUC4DOS For other early IBM PC notes (like floppy drive emulators and NIC setup), I have some notes here: https://voidstar.blog/ibm-pc-5150-notes/ (including all about using the tape deck!) -Steve / v* --===============2697401677997310241==-- From bear@typewritten.org Sat Dec 23 02:32:18 2023 From: "r.stricklin" To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: programming the IBM PC synchronous serial boards (Northstar Advantage project) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 18:12:26 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2004963458222277001==" --===============2004963458222277001== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Dec 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 2:13=E2=80=AFPM r.stricklin via cctalk > wrote: >>=20 >> Did IBM ever publish programming information for their PC SDLC or BiSync c= ommunications boards? I=E2=80=99m wondering about the possibility of programm= ing one to drive the synchronous protocol needed for =E2=80=9Cbooting=E2=80= =9D a Northstar Advantage over its serial port. >>=20 >=20 > Are you looking for something beyond the low level information in the > IBM Options and Adapters reference manuals? >=20 No, I guess not. I don=E2=80=99t know why I assumed they wouldn=E2=80=99t be = in there. ok bear. --===============2004963458222277001==-- From cclist@sydex.com Sat Dec 23 03:20:39 2023 From: Chuck Guzis To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: programming the IBM PC synchronous serial boards (Northstar Advantage project) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 19:10:59 -0800 Message-ID: <40812322-5efd-4fbe-bb83-aec0cce4642f@sydex.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4854929803549020023==" --===============4854929803549020023== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/22/23 16:02, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 2:13=E2=80=AFPM r.stricklin via cctalk > wrote: >> >> Did IBM ever publish programming information for their PC SDLC or BiSync c= ommunications boards? I=E2=80=99m wondering about the possibility of programm= ing one to drive the synchronous protocol needed for =E2=80=9Cbooting=E2=80= =9D a Northstar Advantage over its serial port. >> >=20 > Are you looking for something beyond the low level information in the > IBM Options and Adapters reference manuals? >=20 > https://minuszerodegrees.net/oa/oa.htm >=20 > IBM Synchronous Data Link Control (SDLC) Adapter > https://minuszerodegrees.net/oa/OA%20-%20IBM%20SDLC%20Adapter.pdf >=20 > IBM Binary Synchronous Communications (BSC) Adapter > https://minuszerodegrees.net/oa/OA%20-%20IBM%20Binary%20Synchronous%20Commu= nications%20Adapter.pdf Sync (Bisync, SDLC/HDLC) was fairly popular back in the day for linking with mainframes. (Think, for example, IBM HASP). On PCs and the like, the Intel 8251 was used a lot, but even the Signetics 2651 has the sync mode, with the ability to recognize a double-byte sync. One key difference from async mode is that while async operates with start and stop bits to synchronize character data, sync sends as a block of data with no start/stop overhead. Idle times are automatically filled with SYN characters. The protocol for any of the above higher-level protocols is fairly complex and there are manuals for that. As far as software, I may have some for 8085/8251 kicking around. Interestingly, I've used synchronous mode to read certain proprietary floppy formats. After all, the two are cousins. You have Idle characters, ID fields, etc. Sync mode can be pretty efficient on a leased line. It was pretty much the default back in the Bell 408 days. --Chuck --===============4854929803549020023==-- From ethan.dicks@gmail.com Sat Dec 23 07:37:38 2023 From: Ethan Dicks To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: programming the IBM PC synchronous serial boards (Northstar Advantage project) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 02:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40812322-5efd-4fbe-bb83-aec0cce4642f@sydex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1869852509820174940==" --===============1869852509820174940== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 10:20 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > Sync (Bisync, SDLC/HDLC) was fairly popular back in the day for linking > with mainframes. (Think, for example, IBM HASP). On PCs and the like, > the Intel 8251 was used a lot, but even the Signetics 2651 has the sync > mode, with the ability to recognize a double-byte sync. The COMBOARD line of Bisync and SNA protocol engines came out of the HASPBOX product, which was 100% DEC hardware, so we started with a COM5025 (same as at least one of DEC's sync seral boards) and we later moved to the Zilog Z8530 (but only ever used its second port as a local async debug port) > The protocol for any of the above higher-level protocols is fairly > complex and there are manuals for that Yeah, implementing Bisync from scratch on a new platform would be quite an effort. There are a few poorly-documented "gotchas" to work through/around. -ethan --===============1869852509820174940==-- From mattislind@gmail.com Sat Dec 23 19:36:02 2023 From: Mattis Lind To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: programming the IBM PC synchronous serial boards (Northstar Advantage project) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:35:55 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <72078C47-74FC-42B1-9BEE-B3F8E4F95CCF@typewritten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4283594232705453264==" --===============4283594232705453264== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday, December 22, 2023, r.stricklin via cctalk wrote: > Did IBM ever publish programming information for their PC SDLC or BiSync > communications boards? I’m wondering about the possibility of programming > one to drive the synchronous protocol needed for “booting” a Northstar > Advantage over its serial port. > > Or, for that matter, wondering what Northstar had in mind when they made > that protocol synchronous - what would they have had driving it? A number of years back I implemented SDLC and BiSync in a STM32 microcontroller. I used it to connect various IBM 3270 compatible terminal systems to the Hercules emulator. I made a small board with a STM32 bluepill and a few level converters. There is BISync software the interfaces with the IBM 2701 simulation in Hercules, then there is SDLC software that connects to the IBM 3705 simulator by Henk&Edwin. It is maybe not a direct fit for what you want to do but could probably very easily be adapted. Since it is USB it can easily be interfaced. Browse this repo if you are interested: https://github.com/MattisLind/alfaskop_emu/ /Mattis > > > ok > bear. > > --===============4283594232705453264==-- From cube1@charter.net Sun Dec 24 08:34:34 2023 From: Jay Jaeger To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Sorbus Micro Handbook 1990 Update Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:35:47 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3696744366522576771==" --===============3696744366522576771== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been scanning in a lot of manuals that I have that relate to=20 computers that are not in my collectiion, but which may be unique, or=20 nearly so. Today I scanned in the Sorbus Micro Handbook 1990 Update, which has=20 information provided to Sorbus FEs who might service various microcomputers. There is info in there on all sorts of stuff, including motherboard=20 jumper/switch info up through a PS/2 model 80, for example, and lots of=20 other manufacturer's computers and expansion cards, stuff like IOMEGA,=20 AST, Zenith Tandon, etc. etc. It can be found in my Google drive under my directory of things I have=20 provided for bitsavers to snag: https://drive.google.com/open?id=3D0B2v4WRwISEQRWWFFdVpCZWFTZEU&resourcekey= =3D0-Dg0IUkVNnWUSdzAWk9O4rQ&usp=3Ddrive_fs in subdirectory pdf/sorbus JRJ --===============3696744366522576771==-- From bill.gunshannon@hotmail.com Sun Dec 24 14:23:42 2023 From: Bill Gunshannon To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] RSTS/E questions. Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 09:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4131203680369091116==" --===============4131203680369091116== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am back to playing with RSTS/E 10.1 again and have a couple questions if there is still anyone around with experience. First: Is there a way to change the allowed length for passwords? Second: Is there a way to make login take the assigned name rather than the x,x format for logins? I seem to remember using a system once that did but I have no idea if it was legit or a local hack. Although I have no problem using local hacks. :-) Need to get a system going and maybe even join HECNET. I really wish there was TCP/IP for RSTS. bill --===============4131203680369091116==-- From paulkoning@comcast.net Sun Dec 24 21:24:39 2023 From: Paul Koning To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: RSTS/E questions. Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 16:24:30 -0500 Message-ID: <76795774-388A-4D43-AAB4-4F7C5D1DC0E2@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CDM6PR06MB5580836E021FF270D2DE5F52ED9AA=40DM6PR06MB?= =?utf-8?q?5580=2Enamprd06=2Eprod=2Eoutlook=2Ecom=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4164199782238536068==" --===============4164199782238536068== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > I am back to playing with RSTS/E 10.1 again and have a couple questions > if there is still anyone around with experience. >=20 > First: Is there a way to change the allowed length for passwords? The minimum length defaults to 6; the max is 6 for passwords that can be look= ed up (not hashed) and 14 otherwise. The max is fixed. You can change the m= in by patching module OVR, address ..MPWD to the value you want. > Second: Is there a way to make login take the assigned name rather than > the x,x format for logins? I seem to remember using a system once that > did but I have no idea if it was legit or a local hack. Although I have > no problem using local hacks. :-) No. There was a "named accounts" A/D project in the V8.0 era, and fragments = of that may have made it out the door in that version. It worked reasonably = well in the development systems at the time, as I recall. But it was never f= inished. If any of it remained in the code, that was all removed by V9. Int= erestingly enough, it certainly could have been done in V9 more easily than i= n V8, given the new file structure, but none of that was ever undertaken that= I know of. FYA, another incomplete piece of work (this one in V9.0) was "installed files= ". Those were files left permanently open, so you could access them without = a directory search. That wasn't all that interesting, but a variant of that = operation would install the file with an associated privilege mask. The idea= was for "privileged programs" to be selectively privileged, just as account = are in V9 and later. I got that working but we never did the followup work n= eeded to sort out exactly what privs each privileged program actually needs, = so the old approach (all or nothing) continued to be in use. > Need to get a system going and maybe even join HECNET. > I really wish there was TCP/IP for RSTS. I found one for V8.0, described as by "Stacken, Royal Institute Of Technology= , Stockholm, Sweden". I haven't tried to use it. A logical approach would = be to update it for V10.1 and hook it to the standard Ethernet drivers in tha= t release. The original comes with a DELUA driver, and a document describing= it -- in Swedish. It's clearly not the same API as the Ethernet drivers in = RSTS, which have an extended set of "I/O service" function codes for use by k= ernel components like DECnet or LAT. So, minimally, porting that code would= involve updating it to that API. I forgot where I found this code. Johnny, do you know about it? paul --===============4164199782238536068==-- From lewissa78@gmail.com Mon Dec 25 23:47:34 2023 From: Steve Lewis To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] qbert license? Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 17:47:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7521801427094722781==" --===============7521801427094722781== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps slightly off topic, but perhaps someone here has a contact or idea on how to get started on this: Someone has done a Q-Bert port in 2023 to a new system. The title is different, but the "look and feel" (and audio) is pretty "authentic" to the original (not sure if using exactly the same original tiles and such, I believe it was all original work - but still, it's very much an arcade-style clone). We see now that Sony "owns" it these days (I seem to remember decades ago there a Q-bert cartoon? But perhaps remembering it wrong). The question is, how would one start on obtaining a license? I assume it wouldn't be cost effective (for a free casual port), but still just curious. I've tried to contact Sony in the past (on a different software title), but it's just a huge enterprise it's a bit challenging to approach. Just wondering on the off chance if maybe someone around here has gone down this road already? -Steve --===============7521801427094722781==-- From cmhanson@eschatologist.net Sat Dec 30 02:16:00 2023 From: Chris Hanson To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Computhink Eagle 32 - software, docs, info? Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 17:57:38 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <23d803f1-5a51-3b76-e62f-76245d9e8048@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7667980222521252890==" --===============7667980222521252890== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I picked up this system from its previous caretaker yesterday, to hold onto f= or a friend. I=E2=80=99ve also inventoried the major functional ICs and archi= ved the =E2=80=9CIPL-M=E2=80=9D ROMs. Here=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s in the Eagle-32: - Main Logic Board - 8MHz 68000 CPU - 2x D8255 programmable peripheral interface - left 8255 is clearly for parallel and user port - right 8255 I strongly suspect is for hard disk, possibly ANSI or SASI - D8253C programmable interval timer - 2x 2651N programmable communications interface for serial ports - 2x 2716 for IPL-M 0/1 ROMs - Disk Controller Board - FD1701B-02 floppy disk controller - No video board, whether text or graphics Since there=E2=80=99s no video board in the system, and a couple of cables in= ternally that aren=E2=80=99t attached to anything, I expect it was removed by= a previous caretaker. This is sad because without one it=E2=80=99s unlikely = to come up, not that anyone has found any software for it. On the other hand,= there are zero PALs, so both full reverse engineering and maintenance should= be straightforward. I threw the 4KB of boot ROM in Ghidra and confirmed a couple things: - At boot, ROM is mapped to 0, and then remapped either by a write to the loc= ation or by a cycle counter: The initial stack pointer at 0x0 is 0x0001fffe a= nd the initial program counter at 0x4 is 0x00ffc026, indicating the ROM is no= rmally located at 0x00ffc000. - The ROM freely interchanges addresses in the 0x00ffc000..0x00ffffff range a= nd addresses in the 0xffffc000..0xffffffff range, which is annoying to deal w= ith in Ghidra. - I/O devices appear to be in the 0x00ff8000..0x00ffbfff range, all of the de= vices accessed via the bootstrap seem to be barely above 0x00ff8000. - Only NMI, bus error, interrupt 2, and interrupt 5 are set up by the bootstr= ap. - The bootstrap is very bare-bones but still has a bunch of indirection in it= ; it=E2=80=99s obviously written in assembly, but it does seem to have parame= terization so it may support both console and serial I/O. I suspect that I can figure out from the pattern of I/O accesses which device= s are at which address in the memory map, at least if I bring up an emulation= in MAME. That should at least allow writing new code for it, and _maybe_ eve= n figuring out which CRT controller the video hardware uses and where in the = memory map it is. (I suspect the 6845 and/or 6847 just from the time period, = but who knows? Gotta see what it actually do when trying to show the =E2=80= =9CIPL IN PROGRESS=E2=80=9D string contained in the ROM, or one of the couple= error strings=E2=80=A6) =E2=80=94 Chris --===============7667980222521252890==-- From brain@jbrain.com Sun Dec 31 06:31:25 2023 From: Jim Brain To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Anyone have a D1 deck? Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 00:26:18 -0600 Message-ID: <4f06a8d2-e4be-4c67-bc7c-11fe8e821cf5@jbrain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8725604565140631337==" --===============8725604565140631337== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/23/12/30/0151241/documentarians-secu= re-original-reboot-master-tapes-but-need-help-to-play-them --=20 Jim Brain brain(a)jbrain.com www.jbrain.com --===============8725604565140631337==-- From cclist@sydex.com Sun Dec 31 07:24:28 2023 From: Chuck Guzis To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Anyone have a D1 deck? Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 23:24:17 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f06a8d2-e4be-4c67-bc7c-11fe8e821cf5@jbrain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7344369498009348221==" --===============7344369498009348221== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/30/23 22:26, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/23/12/30/0151241/documentarians-se= cure-original-reboot-master-tapes-but-need-help-to-play-them >=20 The Bosch unit may be very difficult to find. Will a Sony DVR-1000/2000/2100 do the same job for those tapes? At least a few of those seem to be around. FWIW, --Chuck --===============7344369498009348221==-- From barythrin@gmail.com Sun Dec 31 18:21:25 2023 From: John Herron To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Anyone have a D1 deck? Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 12:21:07 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9074412343590121178==" --===============9074412343590121178== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been really surprised how much news that made. I've seen it get asked a few times in a few retro places. I would think lots of tv stations, colleges, and audiophiles would have one but maybe it really is that obscure. Given, I've never heard of the format so maybe I'm being naive. On 12/30/23 22:26, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > > > https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/23/12/30/0151241/documentarians-se= cure-original-reboot-master-tapes-but-need-help-to-play-them > > --===============9074412343590121178==-- From ethan@757.org Sun Dec 31 20:09:32 2023 From: Ethan O'Toole To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Anyone have a D1 deck? Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: <7add1f5e-5cb1-3646-1a60-fd34a65427a@757.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8302385471760345742==" --===============8302385471760345742== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 3/4" unatic, svhs, super beta, DAT, minidv, digital 8, adat. never=20 got into betacam, d1 or any of those monster formats as tape was expensive=20 as a geek. The sony tape machines for the big digital pro formats are=20 soooo beautiful though!!! At this point Im going to have to get the superbeta and svhs machines=20 overhauled and fearing the cost. > I've been really surprised how much news that made. I've seen it get asked > a few times in a few retro places. I would think lots of tv stations, > colleges, and audiophiles would have one but maybe it really is that > obscure. > > Given, I've never heard of the format so maybe I'm being naive. > > > On 12/30/23 22:26, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: >>> >> https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/23/12/30/0151241/documentarians-s= ecure-original-reboot-master-tapes-but-need-help-to-play-them >> >> > -- : Ethan O'Toole --===============8302385471760345742==-- From geneb@deltasoft.com Sun Dec 31 20:37:13 2023 From: geneb To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] 86-DOS disks... Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 12:29:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1849946554501628187==" --===============1849946554501628187== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those interested, I've imaged a couple of super rare (actually rare, not "ebay" rare) original 86-DOS disks. https://archive.org/details/86-dos-version-0.1-c-serial-11-original-disk https://archive.org/details/86-dos-version-0.34-c-serial-221-original-disk Both will boot under simh. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! --===============1849946554501628187==-- From aperry@snowmoose.com Sun Dec 31 21:47:57 2023 From: Alan Perry To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Axil 220/245 PSU Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 13:39:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3843870720385234914==" --===============3843870720385234914== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone here have a running Axil 220 or 245 (Sun SPARCstation LX clone)? = My 220 has a dead PSU and I am trying to get it working with a modern PC PSU.= But I don=E2=80=99t know the pinout for the power connector. While the power connector is the same as used by Sun, the pinout and, aside f= rom +5V and GND, the wire color scheme are different. I have identified 3 of = the 6 wire colors and 7 of the 10 pins. The wire color scheme seemed to be a = match for early sun4c but I just found something that suggests a couple wire = colors are used differently. I have found that black is ground, red is +5V, and yellow is +12V. White, ora= nge, and blue are TBD. A marking on the PSU board suggests white is -12V. Blu= e and orange seem to only used by a daughter board centered on a LM339 chip. = But, as a software guy, I can=E2=80=99t tell what it does. Anyone here have any insight here that might help me? alan --===============3843870720385234914==-- From drwho@virtadpt.net Sun Dec 31 21:51:11 2023 From: The Doctor To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Anyone have a D1 deck? Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 21:42:11 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1996450527988833946==" --===============1996450527988833946== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, December 30th, 2023 at 23:24, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: The Bosch unit may be very difficult to find. Will a Sony > DVR-1000/2000/2100 do the same job for those tapes? At least a few of > those seem to be around. None of us are sure. The Sony DVR units have been pretty easy to find but the possibility of messing up any of the tapes even as a test ties everything in a knot. I know a few folks are asking around the A/V offices of a couple of colleges to see if they have any suitable playback units but so far nothing yet (due to semester break). The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510] WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean. --===============1996450527988833946==-- From wayne.sudol@hotmail.com Sun Dec 31 22:37:58 2023 From: Wayne S To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Axil 220/245 PSU Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 22:37:51 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5579698927518116746==" --===============5579698927518116746== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does this help? https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/power_supply/sun-sparcengine-mother= board-power-supply/ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2023, at 13:48, Alan Perry via cctalk wr= ote: =EF=BB=BFDoes anyone here have a running Axil 220 or 245 (Sun SPARCstation LX= clone)? My 220 has a dead PSU and I am trying to get it working with a moder= n PC PSU. But I don=E2=80=99t know the pinout for the power connector. While the power connector is the same as used by Sun, the pinout and, aside f= rom +5V and GND, the wire color scheme are different. I have identified 3 of = the 6 wire colors and 7 of the 10 pins. The wire color scheme seemed to be a = match for early sun4c but I just found something that suggests a couple wire = colors are used differently. I have found that black is ground, red is +5V, and yellow is +12V. White, ora= nge, and blue are TBD. A marking on the PSU board suggests white is -12V. Blu= e and orange seem to only used by a daughter board centered on a LM339 chip. = But, as a software guy, I can=E2=80=99t tell what it does. Anyone here have any insight here that might help me? alan --===============5579698927518116746==-- From wayne.sudol@hotmail.com Sun Dec 31 22:44:23 2023 From: Wayne S To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Axil 220/245 PSU Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 22:44:16 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CMWHPR1001MB2191E04778884113292ECB23E463A=40MWHPR10?= =?utf-8?q?01MB2191=2Enamprd10=2Eprod=2Eoutlook=2Ecom=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2093682389322953492==" --===============2093682389322953492== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also a link to the lx service manual http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_lx/sparcLX.pdf Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2023, at 14:37, Wayne S wrote: =EF=BB=BF Does this help? https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/power_supply/sun-sparcengine-mother= board-power-supply/ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2023, at 13:48, Alan Perry via cctalk wr= ote: =EF=BB=BFDoes anyone here have a running Axil 220 or 245 (Sun SPARCstation LX= clone)? My 220 has a dead PSU and I am trying to get it working with a moder= n PC PSU. But I don=E2=80=99t know the pinout for the power connector. While the power connector is the same as used by Sun, the pinout and, aside f= rom +5V and GND, the wire color scheme are different. I have identified 3 of = the 6 wire colors and 7 of the 10 pins. The wire color scheme seemed to be a = match for early sun4c but I just found something that suggests a couple wire = colors are used differently. I have found that black is ground, red is +5V, and yellow is +12V. White, ora= nge, and blue are TBD. A marking on the PSU board suggests white is -12V. Blu= e and orange seem to only used by a daughter board centered on a LM339 chip. = But, as a software guy, I can=E2=80=99t tell what it does. Anyone here have any insight here that might help me? alan --===============2093682389322953492==-- From wayne.sudol@hotmail.com Sun Dec 31 23:04:06 2023 From: Wayne S To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Anyone have a D1 deck? Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 23:03:58 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CxjGcjfb=5Fl5qBgdEEzQMPqDDIa0cZDDzA7MD9zXMYpwcbdC8B?= =?utf-8?q?JqOvvrSVeBpZ3sm8YXXW5gQUAtIri8n50i65uJAL4m-cSUO9-l4r55M7lb0=3D=40?= =?utf-8?q?virtadpt=2Enet=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3898036382337624256==" --===============3898036382337624256== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do those tapes need special handling ? Are they shedding? Chuck any experienc= e with them? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2023, at 13:51, The Doctor via cctalk = wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > On Saturday, December 30th, 2023 at 23:24, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >=20 > The Bosch unit may be very difficult to find. Will a Sony >> DVR-1000/2000/2100 do the same job for those tapes? At least a few of >> those seem to be around. >=20 > None of us are sure. The Sony DVR units have been pretty easy to find but > the possibility of messing up any of the tapes even as a test ties everythi= ng > in a knot. I know a few folks are asking around the A/V offices of a couple > of colleges to see if they have any suitable playback units but so far noth= ing > yet (due to semester break). >=20 > The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510] > WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ > Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean. >=20 --===============3898036382337624256==-- From aperry@snowmoose.com Sun Dec 31 23:34:01 2023 From: Alan Perry To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Axil 220/245 PSU Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:33:50 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=3CMWHPR1001MB2191E58A287E74C23785E50DE463A=40MWHPR10?= =?utf-8?q?01MB2191=2Enamprd10=2Eprod=2Eoutlook=2Ecom=3E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8121528695974485377==" --===============8121528695974485377== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not really. As I said, Sun and Axil, while using the same 12-pin power=20 connector, put the pins in different positions and color code the wires=20 differently. For the 220, Axil also sourced the PSU from a different=20 vendor and it is a completely different size (almost the same size as a=20 flexatx psu). Also, only 10 of the 12 pins are used. The Sony PSU used in pizza box sun4c system changed from black=20 (GND)/red(+5V)/yellow(+12V)/blue(-12V)/orange(+5V POR) to=20 black/red/blue/brown/gray. The sun4c lunchboxes used the same connector=20 except they started call the orange/gray pin SENS (is that the same as=20 POR in Sun's usage?). The sun4c lunchbox scheme continued through the=20 sun4m lunchboxes. The sun4m pizzaboxes went to an 18-pin power connector=20 with the same wire color scheme, except gray became "PwrOff"/"Poff". The PSU in my Axil 320 (a SS10/SS20 clone) uses the 18-pin connector and=20 a color scheme similar to the SS10/20 one but I haven't checked all of=20 the pins to see if they are completely the same. On 12/31/23 2:44 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > Also a link to the lx service manual > > http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_lx/sparcLX.pdf > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 31, 2023, at 14:37, Wayne S wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF Does this help? > > https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/power_supply/sun-sparcengine-moth= erboard-power-supply/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 31, 2023, at 13:48, Alan Perry via cctalk = wrote: > > =EF=BB=BFDoes anyone here have a running Axil 220 or 245 (Sun SPARCstation = LX clone)? My 220 has a dead PSU and I am trying to get it working with a mod= ern PC PSU. But I don=E2=80=99t know the pinout for the power connector. > > While the power connector is the same as used by Sun, the pinout and, aside= from +5V and GND, the wire color scheme are different. I have identified 3 o= f the 6 wire colors and 7 of the 10 pins. The wire color scheme seemed to be = a match for early sun4c but I just found something that suggests a couple wir= e colors are used differently. > > I have found that black is ground, red is +5V, and yellow is +12V. White, o= range, and blue are TBD. A marking on the PSU board suggests white is -12V. B= lue and orange seem to only used by a daughter board centered on a LM339 chip= . But, as a software guy, I can=E2=80=99t tell what it does. > > Anyone here have any insight here that might help me? > > alan > --===============8121528695974485377==-- From aperry@snowmoose.com Sun Dec 31 23:39:11 2023 From: Alan Perry To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: [cctalk] Re: Axil 220/245 PSU Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:39:00 -0800 Message-ID: <9012f818-9af9-47ec-b196-5a78cc205f51@snowmoose.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1348587518166637406==" --===============1348587518166637406== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The really frustrating thing is that I found a Usenet thread from 1998,=20 after Axil shut down, where someone asked a similar question about Axil=20 220/245 PSUs and a former Axil employee seems to have sent the person=20 documents that he needed to get his system going. Sadly those documents=20 haven't managed to make their way to bitsavers or archive.org. alan On 12/31/23 3:33 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > Not really. As I said, Sun and Axil, while using the same 12-pin power=20 > connector, put the pins in different positions and color code the=20 > wires differently. For the 220, Axil also sourced the PSU from a=20 > different vendor and it is a completely different size (almost the=20 > same size as a flexatx psu). Also, only 10 of the 12 pins are used. > > The Sony PSU used in pizza box sun4c system changed from black=20 > (GND)/red(+5V)/yellow(+12V)/blue(-12V)/orange(+5V POR) to=20 > black/red/blue/brown/gray. The sun4c lunchboxes used the same=20 > connector except they started call the orange/gray pin SENS (is that=20 > the same as POR in Sun's usage?). The sun4c lunchbox scheme continued=20 > through the sun4m lunchboxes. The sun4m pizzaboxes went to an 18-pin=20 > power connector with the same wire color scheme, except gray became=20 > "PwrOff"/"Poff". > > The PSU in my Axil 320 (a SS10/SS20 clone) uses the 18-pin connector=20 > and a color scheme similar to the SS10/20 one but I haven't checked=20 > all of the pins to see if they are completely the same. > > > On 12/31/23 2:44 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: >> Also a link to the lx service manual >> >> http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_lx/sparcLX.pdf >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 31, 2023, at 14:37, Wayne S wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BF Does this help? >> >> https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/power_supply/sun-sparcengine-mot= herboard-power-supply/=20 >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 31, 2023, at 13:48, Alan Perry via cctalk=20 >> wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BFDoes anyone here have a running Axil 220 or 245 (Sun SPARCstation= LX=20 >> clone)? My 220 has a dead PSU and I am trying to get it working with=20 >> a modern PC PSU. But I don=E2=80=99t know the pinout for the power connect= or. >> >> While the power connector is the same as used by Sun, the pinout and,=20 >> aside from +5V and GND, the wire color scheme are different. I have=20 >> identified 3 of the 6 wire colors and 7 of the 10 pins. The wire=20 >> color scheme seemed to be a match for early sun4c but I just found=20 >> something that suggests a couple wire colors are used differently. >> >> I have found that black is ground, red is +5V, and yellow is +12V.=20 >> White, orange, and blue are TBD. A marking on the PSU board suggests=20 >> white is -12V. Blue and orange seem to only used by a daughter board=20 >> centered on a LM339 chip. But, as a software guy, I can=E2=80=99t tell wha= t=20 >> it does. >> >> Anyone here have any insight here that might help me? >> >> alan >> --===============1348587518166637406==--