From derschjo at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 02:33:02 2021 From: derschjo at gmail.com (Josh Dersch) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 00:33:02 -0700 Subject: ISO M100, M102, M633 flip chips for DEC TC08N controller Message-ID: Hey all -- I have a TC08 DECtape controller that I'd like to convert to a TC08N (the negibus version of the TC08). If I'm reading the documentation right, this involves swapping in a few flip chips -- M100 for the installed M101, M102 for M103, and M633 for M623. If anyone has any of these, please drop me a line. Curious also if anyone out there has done this conversion and can comment on whether my assessment is correct... Thanks! - Josh From paul at frixxon.co.uk Fri Oct 1 02:36:33 2021 From: paul at frixxon.co.uk (Paul Flo Williams) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 08:36:33 +0100 Subject: MD5 list of bitsavers files In-Reply-To: <9e59aa08-7cb4-e6ae-6eff-c3f958840db4@ntlworld.com> References: <9e59aa08-7cb4-e6ae-6eff-c3f958840db4@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <20211001083633.4a907ef5@chopoc.localdomain> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:47:52 +0100 Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: > I see that manx lists the MD5 checksum for many files, at least it > does for those from bitsavers. Is there a publicly available list of > URL and MD5 checksum? This would make it relatively easy for me to > cross check my files against the list and whittle down to a subset > that I should make available. https://vt100.net/manx/assets/2021-10-01-bitsavers-dec.md5 Paul From rice43 at btinternet.com Fri Oct 1 03:09:04 2021 From: rice43 at btinternet.com (Joshua Rice) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 09:09:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: ISO M100, M102, M633 flip chips for DEC TC08N controller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cd60d9f.115b.17c3ae64f34.Webtop.86@btinternet.com> ------ Original Message ------ From: "Josh Dersch via cctech" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Friday, 1 Oct, 2021 At 08:33 Subject: ISO M100, M102, M633 flip chips for DEC TC08N controller Hey all -- I have a TC08 DECtape controller that I'd like to convert to a TC08N (the negibus version of the TC08). If I'm reading the documentation right, this involves swapping in a few flip chips -- M100 for the installed M101, M102 for M103, and M633 for M623. If anyone has any of these, please drop me a line. Curious also if anyone out there has done this conversion and can comment on whether my assessment is correct... Thanks! - Josh I might be preaching to the choir here, but if you can't find originals, this website is an absolute goldmine for flip-chip schematics. If you can find the components (or modern equivalents) it might be worth making your own. https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/flipchip/Mxxx.htm Josh Rice From lproven at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 06:58:48 2021 From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 13:58:48 +0200 Subject: Found my favorite DOS editor In-Reply-To: References: <319062be-f253-0ae9-1ac3-10c5b347f840@sydex.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 05:03, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk wrote: > For the Mac, there is TextWrangler (free version > of BBEdit), with many useful capabilities (such as editing a remote file > via an sftp:// URL, for example). Discontinued some years ago, sadly. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 From binarydinosaurs at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 08:06:23 2021 From: binarydinosaurs at gmail.com (Adrian Graham) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:06:23 +0100 Subject: Found my favorite DOS editor In-Reply-To: References: <319062be-f253-0ae9-1ac3-10c5b347f840@sydex.com> Message-ID: <55D76ADB-FEC5-4CEF-9A3B-BC04809AFBE7@gmail.com> > On 1 Oct 2021, at 12:58, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 05:03, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk > wrote: > >> For the Mac, there is TextWrangler (free version >> of BBEdit), with many useful capabilities (such as editing a remote file >> via an sftp:// URL, for example). > > Discontinued some years ago, sadly. > Yes, and instead they made BBEdit free for the most part. That?s what I?m using. Still got TextWrangler on the older Macs of course. -- Adrian Graham Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk From rich.cini at verizon.net Fri Oct 1 08:09:18 2021 From: rich.cini at verizon.net (Richard Cini) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:09:18 -0400 Subject: Found my favorite DOS editor In-Reply-To: <55D76ADB-FEC5-4CEF-9A3B-BC04809AFBE7@gmail.com> References: <319062be-f253-0ae9-1ac3-10c5b347f840@sydex.com> <55D76ADB-FEC5-4CEF-9A3B-BC04809AFBE7@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm using BBEdit (paid version) on my Mac and I really like it. The language plug-ins are very helpful. ?On 10/1/21, 9:06 AM, "cctalk on behalf of Adrian Graham via cctalk" wrote: > On 1 Oct 2021, at 12:58, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 05:03, Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk > wrote: > >> For the Mac, there is TextWrangler (free version >> of BBEdit), with many useful capabilities (such as editing a remote file >> via an sftp:// URL, for example). > > Discontinued some years ago, sadly. > Yes, and instead they made BBEdit free for the most part. That?s what I?m using. Still got TextWrangler on the older Macs of course. -- Adrian Graham Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk From lproven at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 08:52:56 2021 From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 15:52:56 +0200 Subject: Found my favorite DOS editor In-Reply-To: <55D76ADB-FEC5-4CEF-9A3B-BC04809AFBE7@gmail.com> References: <319062be-f253-0ae9-1ac3-10c5b347f840@sydex.com> <55D76ADB-FEC5-4CEF-9A3B-BC04809AFBE7@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 15:06, Adrian Graham wrote: > On 1 Oct 2021, at 12:58, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: >> >> Discontinued some years ago, sadly. > > Yes, and instead they made BBEdit free for the most part. That?s what I?m using. Still got TextWrangler on the older Macs of course. True and fair. I personally have no use for language plugins and so on -- I only need text editors for plain-text files, not program code. The thing is that I want and like small, fast, simple editors that start very quickly and just do text and nothing else. 90% of the time I don't want colour-coding or syntax highlighting or any of that. I just want something that loads too fast to see and has the standard UI with CUA menus and so on so I can do what I have to do and get out, ASAP. Which is where a lot of widely-admired editors fall down. Atom, VSCode etc are vast lumbering things. Anything written in Javascript made into a standalone app inevitably becomes Howl's Moving Castle, to echo Steve Yegge's observation: ? Scheme is an exotic sports car. Fast. Manual transmission. No radio. Emacs Lisp is a 1984 Subaru GL 4WD: "the car that's always in front of you." Common Lisp is Howl's Moving Castle. ? TextWrangler was much smaller than BBEdit so it won for me. Once it wasn't an option, well, BBEdit lost out. I found a tiny thing called "TextEd". It's like macOS Text Edit but much smaller and faster because it doesn't support formatting or RTF or anything. I can post a link later; I'm on a different machine right now. Vi, Joe, Nano, Pico etc also fail this, because of their weird UIs and because they're shell-based and frankly if I'm in a GUI I want a GUI app. Tilde is my preferred console Linux editor now, but sadly, it doesn't work with things like the Git commit command -- no template is inserted. So I have my default set to mcedit, which is still a bit weird but at least only a bit. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 From healyzh at avanthar.com Fri Oct 1 10:17:20 2021 From: healyzh at avanthar.com (Zane Healy) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 08:17:20 -0700 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: <8862fc73-7cc9-3981-c1f9-2d54f221ff24@thereinhardts.org> References: <7w7dey54x9.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <7ddc2940-404f-94c0-a222-2b3bf2f953e7@12bitsbest.com> <8862fc73-7cc9-3981-c1f9-2d54f221ff24@thereinhardts.org> Message-ID: <8F42F463-1F76-4B2B-9232-317BE2BD0BED@avanthar.com> A few years ago, I looked at ZOC v7, and others. I opted for SecureCRT, and use it on my Mac and my iPad. Though the Mac version is well over $100. It seems to have about the best DEC Terminal emulation I could find on the Mac, and it supports keyboard mapping. Zane > On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:45 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: > > > I've been using a terminal emulator called ZOC. It comes in Windows and Mac flavors (I use the Mac) It seems to fit most of your criteria. I've been using it since V6 (current is V8) for connection to many different PDP-11's, VAXen, Alphas, RasPi, device serial ports on switches, routers and storage servers. Setup can be a bit confusing at first. The app manages config files for keyboard types (yes, keyboards are configurable - somewhat) and connection types. I ended up creating a generic standard config for VAXen, PDP, Alpha, etc and then saving a customized version for each individual system. They all get linked together by the connection manager. > > Product Page: https://www.emtec.com/zoc/index.html > Features: https://www.emtec.com/zoc/features.html > > It has a 30 day free trial with no limitations so you can try it and see. From jwest at classiccmp.org Fri Oct 1 11:36:43 2021 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (jwest at classiccmp.org) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 11:36:43 -0500 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: <8F42F463-1F76-4B2B-9232-317BE2BD0BED@avanthar.com> References: <7w7dey54x9.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <7ddc2940-404f-94c0-a222-2b3bf2f953e7@12bitsbest.com> <8862fc73-7cc9-3981-c1f9-2d54f221ff24@thereinhardts.org> <8F42F463-1F76-4B2B-9232-317BE2BD0BED@avanthar.com> Message-ID: <000001d7b6e2$850dd7a0$8f2986e0$@classiccmp.org> Zane wrote... A few years ago, I looked at ZOC v7, and others. I opted for SecureCRT, and use it on my Mac and my iPad. Though the Mac version is well over $100. It seems to have about the best DEC Terminal emulation I could find on the Mac, and it supports keyboard mapping. ---------- Seconded on "SecureCRT". It is one of the few programs that I pay for a license for. I do believe it has the most complete/solid vt100 and other dec terms emulation I have ever seen. Most other term progs only support the basics of vt100 and a few more advanced options. I haven't found anything yet that securecrt doesn't implement and implement correctly as far as vt100 goes. I have never needed anything color-related though, that may or may not be as well done. I paid for a windows license, but I believe I also get free access to linux and mac versions just for licensing the windows version. In addition, every time I have emailed them (Van Dyke) and said "hey, would be handy to have feature xxx", it has come out in the next version. The really do listen to customers for product enhancements/features. It is the only term program I use, as it literally handles anything I've ever considered possibly wanting to do (including a pretty full featured scripting language). There is one exception - HP terminal emulation - specifically the ones with the 8 function labels at the bottom of the screen. For anything old-HP related, I use QCterm. Also free, and does a great job with all the funky HP terminal oddities ? SecureCRT for windows - software + 1 year of support = $99usd. I do the 3yr option instead which is $139usd. Of all the software products I have paid for, this one is probably the best value to me. J From healyzh at avanthar.com Fri Oct 1 12:34:45 2021 From: healyzh at avanthar.com (Zane Healy) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 10:34:45 -0700 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: <000001d7b6e2$850dd7a0$8f2986e0$@classiccmp.org> References: <7w7dey54x9.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <7ddc2940-404f-94c0-a222-2b3bf2f953e7@12bitsbest.com> <8862fc73-7cc9-3981-c1f9-2d54f221ff24@thereinhardts.org> <8F42F463-1F76-4B2B-9232-317BE2BD0BED@avanthar.com> <000001d7b6e2$850dd7a0$8f2986e0$@classiccmp.org> Message-ID: On Oct 1, 2021, at 9:36 AM, wrote: > > Zane wrote... > A few years ago, I looked at ZOC v7, and others. I opted for SecureCRT, and use it on my Mac and my iPad. Though the Mac version is well over $100. It seems to have about the best DEC Terminal emulation I could find on the Mac, and it supports keyboard mapping. > ---------- > > Seconded on "SecureCRT". It is one of the few programs that I pay for a license for. I do believe it has the most complete/solid vt100 and other dec terms emulation I have ever seen. Most other term progs only support the basics of vt100 and a few more advanced options. I haven't found anything yet that securecrt doesn't implement and implement correctly as far as vt100 goes. I have never needed anything color-related though, that may or may not be as well done. > > I paid for a windows license, but I believe I also get free access to linux and mac versions just for licensing the windows version. In addition, every time I have emailed them (Van Dyke) and said "hey, would be handy to have feature xxx", it has come out in the next version. The really do listen to customers for product enhancements/features. > > It is the only term program I use, as it literally handles anything I've ever considered possibly wanting to do (including a pretty full featured scripting language). There is one exception - HP terminal emulation - specifically the ones with the 8 function labels at the bottom of the screen. For anything old-HP related, I use QCterm. Also free, and does a great job with all the funky HP terminal oddities ? > > SecureCRT for windows - software + 1 year of support = $99usd. I do the 3yr option instead which is $139usd. Of all the software products I have paid for, this one is probably the best value to me. > > J I do keep a VT420 on a DECserver next to my Mac, as sometimes it?s more convenient to have the proper LK401 keyboard. My only complaint about SecureCRT would be its handling of Double-Width/Double-Height characters, but that?s not something you normally run into. It would be nice if they?d add REGIS support. :-) As long as you have active support, you get free upgrades. It?s xterm emulation offers 256 colour. VT100/VT102/VT220/VT320 emulation offers ANSI Colour, but I?ve never played with that. Trying it just now, it gives me colours on a Linux system. I don?t know that I have anything on VMS that would give colours. Zane From athornton at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 13:32:33 2021 From: athornton at gmail.com (Adam Thornton) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 11:32:33 -0700 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44F37472-FF88-474E-B9E6-6845A9CD6FD8@gmail.com> I used ZOC, and loved it, when I was an OS/2 user decades ago. I?m glad to hear it?s still around. Adam From johnhreinhardt at thereinhardts.org Fri Oct 1 15:13:39 2021 From: johnhreinhardt at thereinhardts.org (John H. Reinhardt) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 15:13:39 -0500 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: References: <7w7dey54x9.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <7ddc2940-404f-94c0-a222-2b3bf2f953e7@12bitsbest.com> <8862fc73-7cc9-3981-c1f9-2d54f221ff24@thereinhardts.org> <8F42F463-1F76-4B2B-9232-317BE2BD0BED@avanthar.com> <000001d7b6e2$850dd7a0$8f2986e0$@classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <018f8da1-f086-a567-fca6-a96d411fb1f5@thereinhardts.org> On 10/1/2021 12:34 PM, Zane Healy wrote: > On Oct 1, 2021, at 9:36 AM, wrote: >> >> Zane wrote... >> A few years ago, I looked at ZOC v7, and others. I opted for SecureCRT, and use it on my Mac and my iPad. Though the Mac version is well over $100. It seems to have about the best DEC Terminal emulation I could find on the Mac, and it supports keyboard mapping. >> ---------- >> >> Seconded on "SecureCRT". It is one of the few programs that I pay for a license for. I do believe it has the most complete/solid vt100 and other dec terms emulation I have ever seen. Most other term progs only support the basics of vt100 and a few more advanced options. I haven't found anything yet that securecrt doesn't implement and implement correctly as far as vt100 goes. I have never needed anything color-related though, that may or may not be as well done. >> >> I paid for a windows license, but I believe I also get free access to linux and mac versions just for licensing the windows version. In addition, every time I have emailed them (Van Dyke) and said "hey, would be handy to have feature xxx", it has come out in the next version. The really do listen to customers for product enhancements/features. >> >> It is the only term program I use, as it literally handles anything I've ever considered possibly wanting to do (including a pretty full featured scripting language). There is one exception - HP terminal emulation - specifically the ones with the 8 function labels at the bottom of the screen. For anything old-HP related, I use QCterm. Also free, and does a great job with all the funky HP terminal oddities ? >> >> SecureCRT for windows - software + 1 year of support = $99usd. I do the 3yr option instead which is $139usd. Of all the software products I have paid for, this one is probably the best value to me. >> >> J > > I do keep a VT420 on a DECserver next to my Mac, as sometimes it?s more convenient to have the proper LK401 keyboard. My only complaint about SecureCRT would be its handling of Double-Width/Double-Height characters, but that?s not something you normally run into. > > It would be nice if they?d add REGIS support. :-) > > As long as you have active support, you get free upgrades. > > It?s xterm emulation offers 256 colour. VT100/VT102/VT220/VT320 emulation offers ANSI Colour, but I?ve never played with that. Trying it just now, it gives me colours on a Linux system. I don?t know that I have anything on VMS that would give colours. > > Zane > > > > I tried SecureCRT a couple of times, once for home use and once at work. I didn't like it but I can't remember why. ZOC has done everything I need. Between the Matias keyboard which has 19 F keys and the correct number of keypad keys (not PC layout) and the ZOC keyboard mapping I have pretty much a VT200 style keyboard on my Mac. Em-Tec gives product support for life, basically. I've emailed the author and gotten responses and help immediately. Once you buy a version you get updates until the next major version and if you buy late into the current version you often get the next version free. That happened to me between V6 and V7. V7 went nearly 3 years before I had to upgrade by paying $29.99. In 2018 V7.21 of ZOC scored 105 (97 regular + 8 extra credit) on the VTTEST suite for VT100/VT102 terminals. file:///Volumes/Users/jhreinhardt/Downloads/ZOC_vttest_Score_Sheet-1.pdf No REGIS graphics though. It will do the VT line drawing character set. https://www.emtec.com/zoc/vt220-terminal-emulator.html Double-width/double-height lines work https://www.emtec.com/images/zoc/us/mainwinvt102_osx.png I've not had it have a problem with any part of VT100/102/200 emulation that I can remember. -- John H. Reinhardt From david4602 at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 19:04:19 2021 From: david4602 at gmail.com (David Schmidt) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 20:04:19 -0400 Subject: Anyone out there with a working Victor 9000 (US only)? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/1/21 1:00 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > Got a small batch (8) of Victor 9000 floppies, MSDOS ca. 1985. I > really don't want to write a decoder for such a small batch--I've got > other things on the burner right now. Anyone want to take a crack at > transferring the data? (Funds available). > > --Chuck I don't have a Victor (looked for one for a while, and man, are they heavy) because I have a couple of large-ish batch of disks here as well. I read them and have "triangular," Chuck Peddle-esque images, but not sure how to get something like mtools to understand a triangular image. So I understand the motivation to just Kermit the files over to something more sane. :-) - David From cclist at sydex.com Fri Oct 1 19:25:45 2021 From: cclist at sydex.com (Chuck Guzis) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 17:25:45 -0700 Subject: Anyone out there with a working Victor 9000 (US only)? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9cde199c-ca55-db1c-c0e5-b4f6054dce15@sydex.com> On 10/1/21 5:04 PM, David Schmidt via cctalk wrote: > On 10/1/21 1:00 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> Got a small batch (8) of Victor 9000 floppies, MSDOS ca. 1985.?? I >> really don't want to write a decoder for such a small batch--I've got >> other things on the burner right now.?? Anyone want to take a crack at >> transferring the data??? (Funds available). >> >> --Chuck > I don't have a Victor (looked for one for a while, and man, are they > heavy) because I have a couple of large-ish batch of disks here as well. > ?I read them and have "triangular," Chuck Peddle-esque images, but not > sure how to get something like mtools to understand a triangular image. > ?So I understand the motivation to just Kermit the files over to > something more sane. :-) That's basically it--I can read the transitions and probably figure out the GCR, but the zoned recording is going to take some work--taken all together, more work than I'm willing to put in for a one-time job. I've got some pressing medical issues and don't really have the time to dedicate for this. A working Vicky would solve the problem, but I understand that not many have survived in working condition. Funny--I used to pass the plant in Scotts Valley off of highway 17 on my way to the coast. --Chuck From chd at chdickman.com Fri Oct 1 19:31:47 2021 From: chd at chdickman.com (Charles Dickman) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 20:31:47 -0400 Subject: SCSI2SD project origination Re: SCSI2SD in a DEC 3000/300 - T-ERR-SCSI A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where is the original project for SCSI2SD? A quick google and I find a bunch of suppliers, but where is the base project from. -chuck From santo.nucifora at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 19:34:49 2021 From: santo.nucifora at gmail.com (Santo Nucifora) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 20:34:49 -0400 Subject: Anyone out there with a working Victor 9000 (US only)? In-Reply-To: <9cde199c-ca55-db1c-c0e5-b4f6054dce15@sydex.com> References: <9cde199c-ca55-db1c-c0e5-b4f6054dce15@sydex.com> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, I have a working Victor 9000 dual floppy configuration and a dingle floppy/hard disk configuration but I'm in Canada. I've tried to image disks with a Kryoflux but have not figured out how to image disks to the point of being able to re-create them. The only way I have been able to reproduce diskettes is to make copies on the Victor 9000 itself and that is on the dual diskette version only, if I recall correctly. If there is any way I can help, I'd be happy to try. Santo On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 8:25 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 10/1/21 5:04 PM, David Schmidt via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/1/21 1:00 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > >> Got a small batch (8) of Victor 9000 floppies, MSDOS ca. 1985. I > >> really don't want to write a decoder for such a small batch--I've got > >> other things on the burner right now. Anyone want to take a crack at > >> transferring the data? (Funds available). > >> > >> --Chuck > > I don't have a Victor (looked for one for a while, and man, are they > > heavy) because I have a couple of large-ish batch of disks here as well. > > I read them and have "triangular," Chuck Peddle-esque images, but not > > sure how to get something like mtools to understand a triangular image. > > So I understand the motivation to just Kermit the files over to > > something more sane. :-) > > That's basically it--I can read the transitions and probably figure out > the GCR, but the zoned recording is going to take some work--taken all > together, more work than I'm willing to put in for a one-time job. I've > got some pressing medical issues and don't really have the time to > dedicate for this. > > A working Vicky would solve the problem, but I understand that not many > have survived in working condition. Funny--I used to pass the plant in > Scotts Valley off of highway 17 on my way to the coast. > > --Chuck > > > > From curiousmarc3 at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 21:57:19 2021 From: curiousmarc3 at gmail.com (Curious Marc) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 19:57:19 -0700 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50E6AD1D-F0D5-42CB-93A8-163B9945BB48@gmail.com> I use Teraterm too. Works both on Windoze and Mac. I like the ability to run scripts. Marc > On Sep 30, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Lee Courtney via cctalk wrote: > > ?We use Teraterm at work - adequate, free, open-source(if that's important), > meets our needs for embedded development across a wide variety of > platforms. > > YMMV, > > Lee Courtney > >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:57 AM Mike Katz via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> I am looking for a good terminal emulator. Not for connecting to older >> computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs. >> Do any of you have any recommendations. >> >> I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good. >> >> I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I >> can't remember the name of. >> >> Here are my needs: >> >> 1. Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally) >> 2. Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently) >> 3. Can use any Windows Com Port. >> 4. Can send files as raw binary >> 5. Has X-modem built in (nice but optional) >> 6. Has some kind of basic VT-100 support >> 7. Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers, >> preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this: >> 45 76 65 72 79 >> E V E R Y >> 8. Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii. >> 9. Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters) >> 10. Costs less than $100 >> 11. Can Capture what comes in the port >> 12. Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you >> type) >> 13. Has a large scroll back buffer. >> 14. Has programmable macro buttons or function keys. >> 15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter >> without crashing. >> >> Thank you >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Lee Courtney > +1-650-704-3934 cell From derschjo at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 01:13:40 2021 From: derschjo at gmail.com (Josh Dersch) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 23:13:40 -0700 Subject: ISO M100, M102, M633 flip chips for DEC TC08N controller In-Reply-To: <3cd60d9f.115b.17c3ae64f34.Webtop.86@btinternet.com> References: <3cd60d9f.115b.17c3ae64f34.Webtop.86@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 1:09 AM Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Josh Dersch via cctech" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Sent: Friday, 1 Oct, 2021 At 08:33 > Subject: ISO M100, M102, M633 flip chips for DEC TC08N controller > Hey all -- > I have a TC08 DECtape controller that I'd like to convert to a TC08N > (the > negibus version of the TC08). If I'm reading the documentation right, > this > involves swapping in a few flip chips -- M100 for the installed M101, > M102 > for M103, and M633 for M623. > If anyone has any of these, please drop me a line. Curious also if > anyone > out there has done this conversion and can comment on whether my > assessment > is correct... > Thanks! > - Josh > > I might be preaching to the choir here, but if you can't find originals, > this website is an absolute goldmine for flip-chip schematics. If you > can find the components (or modern equivalents) it might be worth making > your own. > > https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/flipchip/Mxxx.htm > > Yep, Vince has made an awesome site with a lot of incredibly useful things, and if I have to I'll build my own replacements, should be fun. But if I can find original parts, I'd much prefer to use them. Thanks! - Josh > > Josh Rice > From steven at malikoff.com Fri Oct 1 18:02:50 2021 From: steven at malikoff.com (steven at malikoff.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 09:02:50 +1000 Subject: Found my favorite DOS editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> In the late eighties I used to use E, an editor developed internally at IBM. My dad had retired from there by then but got it from ex-colleagues. I see you can get it from here now https://winworldpc.com/product/ibm-e-editor/3x Already mentioned is Brief, I still have the light green box on the shelf. This was ultra customisable but like many, just used it as-is. A super compact and snappy editor was the one built into Turbo Pascal. IIRC it used WordStar bindings. It was so compact on CP/M that I kept the whole integrated editor/Pascal compiler on my 8" floppies just for editing my COBOL assignments, later on using the DOS version in Turbo C / C++. I also used WordStar on those OSs and I'm sure lots of you will fondly remember the LIST viewer by Vernon Buerg. I loved that program. From dave.g4ugm at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 02:42:13 2021 From: dave.g4ugm at gmail.com (dave.g4ugm at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 08:42:13 +0100 Subject: SCSI2SD project origination Re: SCSI2SD in a DEC 3000/300 - T-ERR-SCSI A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01db01d7b761$04437740$0cca65c0$@gmail.com> Chuck, Some of the stuff is now proprietary, but basically this is the start page.. http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php/SCSI2SD I do find the docs a tad sparse. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Charles Dickman > via cctalk > Sent: 02 October 2021 01:32 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: SCSI2SD project origination Re: SCSI2SD in a DEC 3000/300 - T-ERR- > SCSI A > > Where is the original project for SCSI2SD? A quick google and I find a bunch of > suppliers, but where is the base project from. > > -chuck From ethan.dicks at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 03:54:35 2021 From: ethan.dicks at gmail.com (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 04:54:35 -0400 Subject: Has anyone gotten the old SIMH VAX-11/730 emulator to boot? Message-ID: Hi, All, I'm fiddling with my 11/725 and as part of that, I'm prepping possible system images to deploy using the 10-year-old 11/730 emulator that's now part of SIMH. I'm trying to get the original (v3.8) version working because of the numerous changes to how simh 4.0 works now. I'm working from the sources on http://www.9track.net/simh/vax730/ They compiled just fine and the binary runs (on Linux, FWIW) but I've tried booting several different TU58 images and VMS device images and so far, they all tell me "file open error". Here's the current config with me trying to run the CRD tape/disk combo (trimmed just show mounted images on TD0 and RB1). sim> show conf VAX730 simulator configuration CPU, idle disabled, 2048KB, HALT to SIMH . . . TD, 2 units TD0, 262KB, attached to BE-T176I-DE.tu58, write enabled TD1, 262KB, not attached, write enabled . . . RB, address=FFFB86-FFFB87, vector=2A8, 4 units RB0, 64MW, not attached, write enabled, RB80 RB1, 5242KW, attached to CRDPACK-RL02.img, write enabled, RB02 RB2, 5242KW, not attached, write enabled, RB02 RB3, 5242KW, not attached, write enabled, RB02 If I have to, I can grab the source for the current version off of github, but having looked it over, it's essentially this same emulator (with commit dates of 9-10 years ago) plus some recent structural cleanup that's similar across all emulators. The functional parts are this same emulator. Thanks for any tips. -ethan From steven at malikoff.com Sat Oct 2 05:53:55 2021 From: steven at malikoff.com (steven at malikoff.com) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 20:53:55 +1000 Subject: eBay Carterfone I/O Selectric (not mine) In-Reply-To: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> References: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> Message-ID: <957ae106045f239c4b7ff78ce692e36d.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> Just a heads up on a Carterfone rebadged I/O Selectric terminal on eBay (not mine). #294429449623. It passed in earlier, now relisted lower BIN. I'm surprised no-one grabbed it the first time as it seems very reasonable for someone stateside. Its postage to Oz jumped from 400 USD to 500 USD when relisted which may be due to US Post not sending to Oz and other countries at the moment, so if it wasn't coming here the first time, it's now even less likely :) Seems it would go nicely with those 987 APL typeballs someone picked up earlier. From organlists1 at sonic.net Sat Oct 2 07:12:47 2021 From: organlists1 at sonic.net (D. Resor) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 05:12:47 -0700 Subject: eBay Carterfone I/O Selectric (not mine) In-Reply-To: <957ae106045f239c4b7ff78ce692e36d.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> References: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> <957ae106045f239c4b7ff78ce692e36d.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> Message-ID: Actually it did sell...... $200.00 https://www.ebay.com/itm/294429449623 Unfortunately anything Selectric must be packed carefully as it can be easily damaged in shipping. I have read many horror stories on the Typewriters user group of this happening. Don Resor -----Original Message----- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Steve Malikoff via cctalk Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 3:54 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: eBay Carterfone I/O Selectric (not mine) Just a heads up on a Carterfone rebadged I/O Selectric terminal on eBay (not mine). #294429449623. It passed in earlier, now relisted lower BIN. I'm surprised no-one grabbed it the first time as it seems very reasonable for someone stateside. Its postage to Oz jumped from 400 USD to 500 USD when relisted which may be due to US Post not sending to Oz and other countries at the moment, so if it wasn't coming here the first time, it's now even less likely :) Seems it would go nicely with those 987 APL typeballs someone picked up earlier. From a.carlini at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 2 08:38:58 2021 From: a.carlini at ntlworld.com (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 14:38:58 +0100 Subject: MD5 list of bitsavers files In-Reply-To: <20211001083633.4a907ef5@chopoc.localdomain> References: <9e59aa08-7cb4-e6ae-6eff-c3f958840db4@ntlworld.com> <20211001083633.4a907ef5@chopoc.localdomain> Message-ID: On 01/10/2021 08:36, Paul Flo Williams wrote: > > https://vt100.net/manx/assets/2021-10-01-bitsavers-dec.md5 > > Paul Thanks for that. It turns out that some of the bitsavers files have changed since I picked them up (perhaps to add OCR of similar). (I also got further data from Richard via email, which showed the same issue). So I've had to do some other surgery to hone down the list of files. The total number of files that seem to be unique and unpublished is just under 2000. About 950 of those are original PDFs of manuals/specs/whatever (not scans) that I picked up while working at DEC. The rest either I've scanned, or I've found lying around on the internet somewhere. That's rather a large amount to dump on Al without providing some metadata. I think for most of them I can dig up a title. So I could provide an index file to link the filepath and title, something like: 0002/MANUALS/EK/XMIADHB.PDF: "XMI Adapters Handbook" Would that help, or is there more that I might be able to provide? Antonio -- Antonio Carlini antonio at acarlini.com From tony.aiuto at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 10:31:14 2021 From: tony.aiuto at gmail.com (Tony Aiuto) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:31:14 -0400 Subject: Found my favorite DOS editor In-Reply-To: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> References: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> Message-ID: I used pmate in my early DOS years (1982-83) eventually switching back to vi when it was available. That might have been the MKS (Mortice Kern Systems) version. I have a copy of pmate but its two or three files are tangled up on a disk image with some unrelated .com files. When I can sort them out and find the cheat sheet, I'll make them available. On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 2:46 AM Steve Malikoff via cctalk < cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > In the late eighties I used to use E, an editor developed internally at > IBM. My dad had retired from there by then but got it from > ex-colleagues. I see you can get it from here now > https://winworldpc.com/product/ibm-e-editor/3x > > Already mentioned is Brief, I still have the light green box on the shelf. > This was ultra customisable but like many, just used it as-is. > > A super compact and snappy editor was the one built into Turbo Pascal. > IIRC it used WordStar bindings. It was so compact on CP/M that I > kept the whole integrated editor/Pascal compiler on my 8" floppies just > for editing my COBOL assignments, later on using the DOS version > in Turbo C / C++. > > I also used WordStar on those OSs and I'm sure lots of you will fondly > remember the LIST viewer by Vernon Buerg. I loved that program. > > From tony.aiuto at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 10:31:14 2021 From: tony.aiuto at gmail.com (Tony Aiuto) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:31:14 -0400 Subject: Found my favorite DOS editor In-Reply-To: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> References: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> Message-ID: I used pmate in my early DOS years (1982-83) eventually switching back to vi when it was available. That might have been the MKS (Mortice Kern Systems) version. I have a copy of pmate but its two or three files are tangled up on a disk image with some unrelated .com files. When I can sort them out and find the cheat sheet, I'll make them available. On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 2:46 AM Steve Malikoff via cctalk < cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > In the late eighties I used to use E, an editor developed internally at > IBM. My dad had retired from there by then but got it from > ex-colleagues. I see you can get it from here now > https://winworldpc.com/product/ibm-e-editor/3x > > Already mentioned is Brief, I still have the light green box on the shelf. > This was ultra customisable but like many, just used it as-is. > > A super compact and snappy editor was the one built into Turbo Pascal. > IIRC it used WordStar bindings. It was so compact on CP/M that I > kept the whole integrated editor/Pascal compiler on my 8" floppies just > for editing my COBOL assignments, later on using the DOS version > in Turbo C / C++. > > I also used WordStar on those OSs and I'm sure lots of you will fondly > remember the LIST viewer by Vernon Buerg. I loved that program. > > From jwest at classiccmp.org Sat Oct 2 15:57:41 2021 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (jwest at classiccmp.org) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:57:41 -0500 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: <50E6AD1D-F0D5-42CB-93A8-163B9945BB48@gmail.com> References: <50E6AD1D-F0D5-42CB-93A8-163B9945BB48@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201d7b7d0$241649c0$6c42dd40$@classiccmp.org> I had mentioned SecureCRT, it is my daily use ssh client. But if we want to focus on more vintage software, my favorite terminal emulator is ProComm Plus, made by Datastorm. As it happens, the two original authors/owners wrote it while living in my area (university). I grew up using that one, and it is still installed on my move-around-rack-on-wheels system that provides services to other machines in the collection (PUTR, etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datastorm_Technologies From cctalk at ibm51xx.net Sat Oct 2 21:54:02 2021 From: cctalk at ibm51xx.net (Ali) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:54:02 -0700 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: <000201d7b7d0$241649c0$6c42dd40$@classiccmp.org> References: <50E6AD1D-F0D5-42CB-93A8-163B9945BB48@gmail.com> <000201d7b7d0$241649c0$6c42dd40$@classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <002101d7b801$eccffa10$c66fee30$@net> > I had mentioned SecureCRT, it is my daily use ssh client. But if we > want to focus on more vintage software, my favorite terminal emulator > is ProComm Plus, made by Datastorm. As it happens, the two original > authors/owners wrote it while living in my area (university). I grew up > using that one, and it is still installed on my move-around-rack-on- > wheels system that provides services to other machines in the > collection (PUTR, etc). > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datastorm_Technologies Procomm was the first terminal program I used that was easy to understand and work with. Of course I was using it mainly to dial BBSes at the time. I stayed with it for a few iterations until I switched over to Telix and finally Terminate (interestingly Terminate's web site forwards to protonmail.com now). There was also Windows version of Procomm which was slower and had more bloatware features while being less reliable. The last probably had to do more with the HW then the SW though. Downloading under windows while multitasking was always a crap shoot! Plus you could not add more protocols easily (e.g. HSLink) since most protocols were written for DOS and not a windows environment. With windows I actually started using ZOC which seemed to run better and more reliably. It was great for a bit but once the internet became a "thing" I walked away from most of the terminal programs. SecureCRT is great and very full featured. I use a very much older cousin called CRT with my headless mini Linux server. Although I have also used it for such mundane tasks as accessing APC UPS consoles and Netgear equipment, and even dialing a BBS. It does support color, but at least for me, it has never been very accurate. -Ali From bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com Sun Oct 3 00:16:13 2021 From: bitwiz at 12bitsbest.com (Mike Katz) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 00:16:13 -0500 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: <002101d7b801$eccffa10$c66fee30$@net> References: <50E6AD1D-F0D5-42CB-93A8-163B9945BB48@gmail.com> <000201d7b7d0$241649c0$6c42dd40$@classiccmp.org> <002101d7b801$eccffa10$c66fee30$@net> Message-ID: <6413f417-f35d-4be3-c139-b334808c9cb3@12bitsbest.com> I personally preferred Telix to Procomm. It doesn't surprise me that this thread changed from what terminal program will meet my needs today to what Terminal program have you used in the past. That's because all of us are just as vintage as our computers ? On 10/2/2021 9:54 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote: >> I had mentioned SecureCRT, it is my daily use ssh client. But if we >> want to focus on more vintage software, my favorite terminal emulator >> is ProComm Plus, made by Datastorm. As it happens, the two original >> authors/owners wrote it while living in my area (university). I grew up >> using that one, and it is still installed on my move-around-rack-on- >> wheels system that provides services to other machines in the >> collection (PUTR, etc). >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datastorm_Technologies > > Procomm was the first terminal program I used that was easy to understand and work with. Of course I was using it mainly to dial BBSes at the time. I stayed with it for a few iterations until I switched over to Telix and finally Terminate (interestingly Terminate's web site forwards to protonmail.com now). There was also Windows version of Procomm which was slower and had more bloatware features while being less reliable. The last probably had to do more with the HW then the SW though. Downloading under windows while multitasking was always a crap shoot! Plus you could not add more protocols easily (e.g. HSLink) since most protocols were written for DOS and not a windows environment. > > With windows I actually started using ZOC which seemed to run better and more reliably. It was great for a bit but once the internet became a "thing" I walked away from most of the terminal programs. > > SecureCRT is great and very full featured. I use a very much older cousin called CRT with my headless mini Linux server. Although I have also used it for such mundane tasks as accessing APC UPS consoles and Netgear equipment, and even dialing a BBS. It does support color, but at least for me, it has never been very accurate. > > -Ali > From tony.nicholson at computer.org Sun Oct 3 01:31:29 2021 From: tony.nicholson at computer.org (Tony Nicholson) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 17:31:29 +1100 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH Message-ID: Recently Al Kossow made available a zip file containing a Micro/PDP-11 installation kit for Unix V7M-11 V1.0 on bitsavers as RX50 disk images. Tinkering away here in Covid lockdown, I've managed to get this running under SIMH pdp11 emulating an almost historically accurate PDP-11/23 plus. I've placed the SIMH initialisation file, a couple of RD51 disk images and an "installation recipe" for making these disks on GitHub at - https://github.com/agn453/V7M-11 While I mainly had exposure to later versions of Unix and Ultrix-11 on a PDP-11/70 as an undergraduate - this one surely brings back memories! Tony -- Tony Nicholson From cube1 at charter.net Sun Oct 3 07:48:42 2021 From: cube1 at charter.net (Jay Jaeger) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 07:48:42 -0500 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ca898b3-02b6-b68f-33b1-b6e8d0f88e0f@charter.net> On 10/3/2021 1:31 AM, Tony Nicholson via cctalk wrote: > Recently Al Kossow made available a zip file containing a Micro/PDP-11 > installation kit for Unix V7M-11 V1.0 on bitsavers as RX50 disk images. > > Tinkering away here in Covid lockdown, I've managed to get this running > under SIMH pdp11 emulating an almost historically accurate PDP-11/23 plus. > > I've placed the SIMH initialisation file, a couple of RD51 disk images and > an "installation recipe" for making these disks on GitHub at - > > https://github.com/agn453/V7M-11 > > While I mainly had exposure to later versions of Unix and Ultrix-11 on > a PDP-11/70 as an undergraduate - this one surely brings back memories! > > Tony > Glad to hear that worked out for you. I obtained those floppies from a friend doing some work for UW Madison back in the day. I provided Al scans of the manuals, too, but they have not been put up on bitsavers yet. JRJ From mmcgraw74 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 08:30:33 2021 From: mmcgraw74 at gmail.com (Monty McGraw) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 08:30:33 -0500 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use both Realterm and Tera Term. Realterm does not emulate terminals - but is able to display ALL the ASCII characters including the Control Characters and even 8-bit characters. This has been invaluable to me working with my late 1970's Tektronix 4052 and 4054A computers, which made heavy use of ten of the ASCII control characters for quick formatting of BASIC PRINT commands without requiring multiple PRINT commands. Realterm also can capture the entire stream of ASCII characters to a file - which is invaluable in capturing all the characters from DC300 Tektronix program tape cartridges. I use the XON/XOFF feature with both my 4052 and 4054A to send and receive ASCII programs to the Tektronix computers at 9600 baud. Here is an example output of Realterm with printed control characters - as I am debugging my Arduino program to emulate the Tektronix 4924 GPIB tape drive: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/tektronix-4924-tape-drive-emulator/msg3581831/#msg3581831 I also use Tera Term - as it is able to emulate Tektronix graphics terminals, both the 4012/4014 vector graphics AND the 'newer' 4100 series color graphics terminals! My Tektronix 4041 GPIB controller computers (68000 based) had only a single line LED display, but supported Tektronix 4012/4014 if you had the optional Graphics ROM. I was able to port several of my 4050 graphics games to 4041 BASIC (Artillery, Lunar Lander, and my port of Adventure) using Tera Term on my Windows 10 PC as the terminal to display the graphics/text and for data input. I also recovered the 4041 EZ-TEST (GPIB interactive program development) tapes, which only supported the 4100 color terminals - and used Tera Term successfully to emulate those color terminals. Tera Term also supports XON/XOFF and file capture/restore, so I have been able to use it with my 4041 computer to replace the internal DC100 tape drive and load and restore programs from my Windows 10 PC. See example Tera Term vector graphics screenshots and color terminal screenshots in my 4041 thread on vcfed.org: https://www.vcfed.org/forum/forum/genres/other/76507-tektronix-4041-computer-from-the-early-1980-s-working?p=970652#post970652 Monty > Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 19:57:19 -0700 > From: Curious Marc > To: lee_courtney at acm.org, Lee Courtney , "General > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > Subject: Re: Terminal Emulator > Message-ID: <50E6AD1D-F0D5-42CB-93A8-163B9945BB48 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I use Teraterm too. Works both on Windoze and Mac. I like the ability to > run scripts. > Marc > > > On Sep 30, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Lee Courtney via cctalk < > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > ?We use Teraterm at work - adequate, free, open-source(if that's > important), > > meets our needs for embedded development across a wide variety of > > platforms. > > > > YMMV, > > > > Lee Courtney > > > >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:57 AM Mike Katz via cctalk < > cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> I am looking for a good terminal emulator. Not for connecting to older > >> computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs. > >> Do any of you have any recommendations. > >> > >> I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good. > >> > >> I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I > >> can't remember the name of. > >> > >> Here are my needs: > >> > >> 1. Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally) > >> 2. Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently) > >> 3. Can use any Windows Com Port. > >> 4. Can send files as raw binary > >> 5. Has X-modem built in (nice but optional) > >> 6. Has some kind of basic VT-100 support > >> 7. Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers, > >> preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this: > >> 45 76 65 72 79 > >> E V E R Y > >> 8. Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii. > >> 9. Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text > characters) > >> 10. Costs less than $100 > >> 11. Can Capture what comes in the port > >> 12. Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you > >> type) > >> 13. Has a large scroll back buffer. > >> 14. Has programmable macro buttons or function keys. > >> 15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter > >> without crashing. > >> > >> Thank you > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Lee Courtney > > +1-650-704-3934 cell > From elson at pico-systems.com Sun Oct 3 10:40:22 2021 From: elson at pico-systems.com (Jon Elson) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 10:40:22 -0500 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: <002101d7b801$eccffa10$c66fee30$@net> References: <50E6AD1D-F0D5-42CB-93A8-163B9945BB48@gmail.com> <000201d7b7d0$241649c0$6c42dd40$@classiccmp.org> <002101d7b801$eccffa10$c66fee30$@net> Message-ID: <7f098a0e-f24e-e199-38e6-5fd92bc74d92@pico-systems.com> On 10/2/21 9:54 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote: Just to throw in my two cents, I use minicom.? I run pretty much an all-Linux shop here, and? minicom? does everything I need. Communicates at various baud rates, records logs, sends files.? I used it for years to send and save files to/from a pick and place machine that only had serial I/O. Also use it for boot level startup on BeagleBones. Jon From cz at alembic.crystel.com Sun Oct 3 13:26:54 2021 From: cz at alembic.crystel.com (Chris Zach) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 14:26:54 -0400 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH In-Reply-To: <7ca898b3-02b6-b68f-33b1-b6e8d0f88e0f@charter.net> References: <7ca898b3-02b6-b68f-33b1-b6e8d0f88e0f@charter.net> Message-ID: *Neat*! I was thinking of trying to lay this down on a real 11/23+ here at the house, then realized I didn't have two RD51's. Can it gen on an RD53 by chance, I could upload one of those to a disk in a weekend or immediately with the Dave Gesswin emulator (which I need to return but we're just about to pull out those big Perqs) C On 10/3/2021 8:48 AM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote: > On 10/3/2021 1:31 AM, Tony Nicholson via cctalk wrote: >> Recently Al Kossow made available a zip file containing a Micro/PDP-11 >> installation kit for Unix V7M-11 V1.0 on bitsavers as RX50 disk images. >> >> Tinkering away here in Covid lockdown, I've managed to get this running >> under SIMH pdp11 emulating an almost historically accurate PDP-11/23 >> plus. >> >> I've placed the SIMH initialisation file, a couple of RD51 disk images >> and >> an "installation recipe" for making these disks on GitHub at - >> >> https://github.com/agn453/V7M-11 >> >> While I mainly had exposure to later versions of Unix and Ultrix-11 on >> a PDP-11/70 as an undergraduate - this one surely brings back memories! >> >> Tony >> > > Glad to hear that worked out for you.? I obtained those floppies from a > friend doing some work for UW Madison back in the day.? I provided Al > scans of the manuals, too, but they have not been put up on bitsavers yet. > > JRJ From lproven at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 15:58:45 2021 From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 22:58:45 +0200 Subject: Found my favorite DOS editor In-Reply-To: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> References: <6e35babc6f2db7d79a2c945e3fb14c21.squirrel@webmail04.register.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 at 08:46, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: > > In the late eighties I used to use E, an editor developed internally at IBM. My dad had retired from there by then but got it from > ex-colleagues. I see you can get it from here now > https://winworldpc.com/product/ibm-e-editor/3x FWIW, it's part of PC-DOS 7, 2000 (7.01) and 7.1. 7.1 is a free download from IBM as part of the ServerGuide Scripting Toolkit. It's only the kernel and a few utilities, though. You need the rest of PC-DOS 2000, but that was bundled with VirtualPC which Microsoft bought and have made a free download. I've blogged about how to assemble your own copy, and point to some VirtualBox pre-installed disk images. https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/59703.html > I also used WordStar on those OSs and I'm sure lots of you will fondly remember the LIST viewer by Vernon Buerg. I loved that program. Oh my yes! I was a regular user of LIST in my OS/2 days. I had forgotten all about it! -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 From lproven at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 16:00:49 2021 From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 23:00:49 +0200 Subject: Terminal Emulator In-Reply-To: <002101d7b801$eccffa10$c66fee30$@net> References: <50E6AD1D-F0D5-42CB-93A8-163B9945BB48@gmail.com> <000201d7b7d0$241649c0$6c42dd40$@classiccmp.org> <002101d7b801$eccffa10$c66fee30$@net> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 11:19, Ali via cctalk wrote: > Procomm was the first terminal program I used that was easy to understand and work with. Oh my, yes, agreed. *So* much easier than Crosstalk or most of the other DOS biggies. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 From billdegnan at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 09:27:25 2021 From: billdegnan at gmail.com (Bill Degnan) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:27:25 -0400 Subject: Kennett Classic Wrap Up Message-ID: For those not on the KC mailing list, here is a brief wrap up from last week's event http://kennettclassic.com/comms/LocalKC20211001.html Thank you Bill From spectre at floodgap.com Mon Oct 4 10:56:31 2021 From: spectre at floodgap.com (Cameron Kaiser) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 08:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Shiner ESB Apple Network Server prototype Message-ID: <202110041556.194FuVn115007958@floodgap.com> Finally took some pictures of the (sadly non-working) Apple Network Server prototype I landed and also got around to analysing the hard disk it came with. Spoiler alert: this Shiner HE was at Netscape doing "real work" for several years at least. https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2021/10/shiner-esb-apple-network-server.html http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/esb/ -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- A kindness done today is the surest way to a brighter tomorrow. -- Anonymous From aek at bitsavers.org Mon Oct 4 12:47:54 2021 From: aek at bitsavers.org (Al Kossow) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:47:54 -0700 Subject: Shiner ESB Apple Network Server prototype In-Reply-To: <202110041556.194FuVn115007958@floodgap.com> References: <202110041556.194FuVn115007958@floodgap.com> Message-ID: <9586c8f8-dafb-7dd6-07b9-b75cf88e6a17@bitsavers.org> On 10/4/21 8:56 AM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2021/10/shiner-esb-apple-network-server.html > http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/esb/ > "Were you a Shiner designer? " That would be Dennis Yarak. Dennis went to portables from the server group and was project lead on the G4 powerbooks. His brother Keith was manager of the XServe design group. Bit puzzled when you say the server group was in Austin. Shiner started out in Cupertino in the N&C group in DeAnza 3. I was involved in early development when all of the AIX/Netware/Pink stuff was going on with it. From spectre at floodgap.com Mon Oct 4 15:05:06 2021 From: spectre at floodgap.com (Cameron Kaiser) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 13:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Shiner ESB Apple Network Server prototype In-Reply-To: <9586c8f8-dafb-7dd6-07b9-b75cf88e6a17@bitsavers.org> from Al Kossow via cctalk at "Oct 4, 21 10:47:54 am" Message-ID: <202110042005.194K567m28508336@floodgap.com> > > https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2021/10/shiner-esb-apple-network-server.html > > http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/esb/ > > "Were you a Shiner designer? " > > That would be Dennis Yarak. Dennis went to portables from the server group > and was project lead on the G4 powerbooks. Is he around here? > Bit puzzled when you say the server group was in Austin. > Shiner started out in Cupertino in the N&C group in DeAnza 3. > I was involved in early development when all of the AIX/Netware/Pink > stuff was going on with it. *Somebody* was in Austin, though (for one thing, I don't know how it would have acquired its code name otherwise - no one knows what Shiner beer is out in California). There was these mentions as well: https://www.applefritter.com/node/538 http://www.ydl.net/board/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8251#p42600 Was Brinton Baker in Cupertino, or Austin? Maybe started in Cupertino and moved over? -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- If you cannot convince them, confuse them. -- Harry S Truman --------------- From aek at bitsavers.org Mon Oct 4 15:41:25 2021 From: aek at bitsavers.org (Al Kossow) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 13:41:25 -0700 Subject: Shiner ESB Apple Network Server prototype In-Reply-To: <202110042005.194K567m28508336@floodgap.com> References: <202110042005.194K567m28508336@floodgap.com> Message-ID: <80fa650f-36f7-64f1-b829-053c1226620d@bitsavers.org> On 10/4/21 1:05 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > https://www.applefritter.com/node/538 Interesting bit of outsider fiction. From tony.nicholson at computer.org Mon Oct 4 18:26:30 2021 From: tony.nicholson at computer.org (Tony Nicholson) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 10:26:30 +1100 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH Message-ID: > *Neat*! I was thinking of trying to lay this down on a real 11/23+ here > at the house, then realized I didn't have two RD51's. Can it gen on an > RD53 by chance, I could upload one of those to a disk in a weekend or > immediately with the Dave Gesswin emulator (which I need to return but > we're just about to pull out those big Perqs) Chris, I doubt you'll be able to use anything other than a RD51 drive - as this ancient V7M doesn't yet support newer drive types. You might be able to put some of the system files on an RL02 - but I haven't confirmed there's a RL02 boot loader on this kit. Back in 1983 the PDP-11/23-PLUS was a relatively *new* machine. There's later versions of Ultrix-11 (V2 and later) that added support for the 11/73 and bigger drives - look on the Unix Heritage Society site under Unix Archive. There's a downloadable installation tape for Ultrix-11 there. https://www.tuhs.org Tony -- Tony Nicholson From cz at alembic.crystel.com Mon Oct 4 18:42:49 2021 From: cz at alembic.crystel.com (Chris Zach) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 19:42:49 -0400 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <343e1352-33de-ac3a-7c25-0bb406384035@alembic.crystel.com> > I doubt you'll be able to use anything other than a RD51 drive - as > this ancient V7M doesn't yet support newer drive types.? You might > be able to put some of the system files on an RL02 - but I haven't confirmed > there's a RL02 boot loader on this kit. Interesting. Given that it's MSCP it should be just a matter of mapping out the sectors and such. But to be honest, naah. I have a copy of Ultrix-11 on 20 or so floppies here, I think I'd just use that on an RD54 and be done with it. Oddly enough I do have a copy of Pro/Venix 1.0 that would fit on a Pro/350 with a 5mb hard drive. Slow as *dirt*, you could literally watch the hard drive seek back and forth with the little arm on the side. But it did work. Unfortunately I only have a pair of Pro/380's these days so I'd have to use Venix 2.0 which is probably less fun :-) > Back in 1983 the PDP-11/23-PLUS was a relatively *new* machine.? There's > later versions of Ultrix-11 (V2 and later) that added support for the 11/73 > and bigger drives - look on the Unix Heritage Society site under Unix > Archive.? There's a downloadable installation tape for Ultrix-11 there. Speaking of which, has anyone ever written a loader to allow one to copy a SIMH tape file onto a real tape drive via serial like that pdp11GUI allows you to load up an RL02/RX02/MSCP drive? I do have a working TK50 and a TK70 (and know how to fix them) and they are pretty nice units. C From ethan.dicks at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 20:47:26 2021 From: ethan.dicks at gmail.com (Ethan Dicks) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:47:26 -0400 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH In-Reply-To: <343e1352-33de-ac3a-7c25-0bb406384035@alembic.crystel.com> References: <343e1352-33de-ac3a-7c25-0bb406384035@alembic.crystel.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:42 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Oddly enough I do have a copy of Pro/Venix 1.0 that would fit on a > Pro/350 with a 5mb hard drive. Slow as *dirt*, you could literally watch > the hard drive seek back and forth with the little arm on the side. But > it did work. I have one of those. I brought it to VCF East two years ago for the Mother of all UNIX Demos. I think there's 300-400KB free on that RD50. It is indeed slow as dirt. Also, 'date' only allows for 2-digit years, so I had to write a utility to accept UNIX epoch time to set the date past the Y2K boundary. -ethan From paulkoning at comcast.net Tue Oct 5 08:04:12 2021 From: paulkoning at comcast.net (Paul Koning) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:04:12 -0400 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH In-Reply-To: References: <343e1352-33de-ac3a-7c25-0bb406384035@alembic.crystel.com> Message-ID: > On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:47 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:42 PM Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: >> Oddly enough I do have a copy of Pro/Venix 1.0 that would fit on a >> Pro/350 with a 5mb hard drive. Slow as *dirt*, you could literally watch >> the hard drive seek back and forth with the little arm on the side. But >> it did work. > > I have one of those. I brought it to VCF East two years ago for the > Mother of all UNIX Demos. I think there's 300-400KB free on that > RD50. I wonder if it supports at least an RD51, since those arrived together with the RD50. > It is indeed slow as dirt. Chances are it would be noticeably faster with an MFM emulator connected. paul From cube1 at charter.net Tue Oct 5 13:57:49 2021 From: cube1 at charter.net (Jay Jaeger) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 13:57:49 -0500 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/4/2021 6:26 PM, Tony Nicholson via cctalk wrote: >> *Neat*! I was thinking of trying to lay this down on a real 11/23+ here >> at the house, then realized I didn't have two RD51's. Can it gen on an >> RD53 by chance, I could upload one of those to a disk in a weekend or >> immediately with the Dave Gesswin emulator (which I need to return but >> we're just about to pull out those big Perqs) > > Chris, > > I doubt you'll be able to use anything other than a RD51 drive - as > this ancient V7M doesn't yet support newer drive types. You might > be able to put some of the system files on an RL02 - but I haven't confirmed > there's a RL02 boot loader on this kit. > > Back in 1983 the PDP-11/23-PLUS was a relatively *new* machine. There's > later versions of Ultrix-11 (V2 and later) that added support for the 11/73 > and bigger drives - look on the Unix Heritage Society site under Unix > Archive. There's a downloadable installation tape for Ultrix-11 there. > > https://www.tuhs.org > > Tony > Once installed, one ought to be able to gen a system for other devices, at least for an RL01/RL02, but perhaps not for RD series beyond the RD51 without The drivers ought to be there for RL01, RL02, RK06, RK07, RP02/3/4/5/6, RM02/3/5, RA60 and RA80/81 and more, according to the installation manual - you just have to do a sysgen. Might be good to do the contemplated work under SimH first, of course. For later RQDX controllers, though, you presumably would need to change the driver. JRJ From imp at bsdimp.com Tue Oct 5 14:09:28 2021 From: imp at bsdimp.com (Warner Losh) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 13:09:28 -0600 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH In-Reply-To: References: <343e1352-33de-ac3a-7c25-0bb406384035@alembic.crystel.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 7:04 AM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:47 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk < > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:42 PM Chris Zach via cctalk > > wrote: > >> Oddly enough I do have a copy of Pro/Venix 1.0 that would fit on a > >> Pro/350 with a 5mb hard drive. Slow as *dirt*, you could literally watch > >> the hard drive seek back and forth with the little arm on the side. But > >> it did work. > > > > I have one of those. I brought it to VCF East two years ago for the > > Mother of all UNIX Demos. I think there's 300-400KB free on that > > RD50. > > I wonder if it supports at least an RD51, since those arrived together > with the RD50. > The initial DEC Rainbow port of Venix did not, though the later Boston Software Works enhancements did. Venix 2.0R only supported RD50. > > It is indeed slow as dirt. > > Chances are it would be noticeably faster with an MFM emulator connected. > My Rainbow certainly is for similar disks.The MFM emulator isn't exactly speedy, but it's at least a bit faster than the real disks it replaced. Warner From cz at alembic.crystel.com Tue Oct 5 16:01:03 2021 From: cz at alembic.crystel.com (Chris Zach) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:01:03 -0400 Subject: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH In-Reply-To: References: <343e1352-33de-ac3a-7c25-0bb406384035@alembic.crystel.com> Message-ID: <5840bf81-4ed0-2ecc-16f3-85f19c5efd58@alembic.crystel.com> > I wonder if it supports at least an RD51, since those arrived together with the RD50. Yes, it did. Venix 1.0 ran on a RD51 and was a LOT faster. I keep the RD50 around mostly as a "good god, is this faster than a floppy" conversation piece. > Chances are it would be noticeably faster with an MFM emulator connected. Probably, but I really don't use those. I like spinning media, and as long as it keeps rolling I'll keep using it. C > > paul > > From stueberahoo at yahoo.de Tue Oct 5 16:15:30 2021 From: stueberahoo at yahoo.de (Anke =?utf-8?Q?St=C3=BCber?=) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 23:15:30 +0200 Subject: Lecture: Update Computer Club: History and Not-So-Certain Future, 2021-10-09, 18:00 References: <20211005211530.GN15858.ref@cortexcerebri.geruempel.org> Message-ID: <20211005211530.GN15858@cortexcerebri.geruempel.org> Hi all, you're invited to the Update computer club[0] public lecture series "Updateringar"[1]! When: 2021-10-09, 18:00 CEST (Note: one hour earlier than usual!) Stream: https://streaming.media.ccc.de/vcfb2021/ Q&A: https://bbb.vcfb.de/b/ank-eka-1zw-rkc Update Computer Club: History and Not-So-Certain Future At Swedish universities, students organize in clubs for spare time activities like photography, sports, music and also computers! Update is the student computer club loosely connected to Uppsala University. We started out in 1983 around what was then new shiny computers and have evolved into a caretaker of the old and precious. We have kept the very DECSYSTEM 2060 around which the club was formed as well as a VAX 8650, PDP-12, a running PDP-11/70 and many other things. The club is creeping up on its 40th birthday and we would like to present a retrospective with anecdotes and trivia. The future is uncertain as the university department paying for our rooms is moving and will no longer be able to accomodate Update. What will the next chapter for this old club be? And how can you help us? Pontus Pihlgren (Update) The lecture is free and open to everyone. Note: This talk is a contribution to the Vintage Computing Festival Berlin 2021 and therefore happens one hour earlier than our usual time. The link for participation is also different. Click here to watch the lecture stream: https://streaming.media.ccc.de/vcfb2021/ Click here to ask a question or discuss afterwards (no sign-up needed): https://bbb.vcfb.de/b/ank-eka-1zw-rkc See also our online exhibition[2] at the event. Don't want to miss upcoming events? Subscribe to our low-traffic announcement list by sending a mail with the body "subscribe announce" to majordomo at update.uu.se! Hope to see you there, Anke [0] https://www.update.uu.se/index_eng.html [1] https://www.update.uu.se/wiki/doku.php/projekt:updateringar [2] https://wiki.vcfb.de/2021/en:ausstellungen#the_swedish_educational_computer_compis From fred at MISER.MISERNET.NET Wed Oct 6 15:19:25 2021 From: fred at MISER.MISERNET.NET (Fred) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:54:02 -0700 > From: "Ali" > Procomm was the first terminal program I used that was easy to > understand and work with. Of course I was using it mainly to dial BBSes I also started with ProComm Plus for DOS. Just like WordPerfect of the time (5.x) I sure had all of those key sequences memorized.... I think I still have a copy on my old DOS workstation that I used to use. Need to fire that up this winter. > With windows I actually started using ZOC which seemed to run better and Thank you for this tip. I had an old IBM NetVista all-in-one workstation that I wanted to resurrect, finally did so within the last month (running eComStation!) , and of course needed a way to connect to other things on the network here. A terminal emulator is a must. :) Installed ZOC, and now replying to this message connected to my Alpha in the house. (the NetVista workstation is in the back garage....because who doesn't need a workstation in the garage just in case?) Now I need to see if I can find a halfway usable web browser... Fred From cisin at xenosoft.com Wed Oct 6 15:33:36 2021 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is a DIFFERENT "Fred" -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com On Wed, 6 Oct 2021, Fred via cctalk wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:54:02 -0700 >> From: "Ali" > >> Procomm was the first terminal program I used that was easy to >> understand and work with. Of course I was using it mainly to dial BBSes > > I also started with ProComm Plus for DOS. Just like WordPerfect of the > time (5.x) I sure had all of those key sequences memorized.... > > I think I still have a copy on my old DOS workstation that I used to use. > Need to fire that up this winter. > >> With windows I actually started using ZOC which seemed to run better and > > Thank you for this tip. I had an old IBM NetVista all-in-one workstation > that I wanted to resurrect, finally did so within the last month (running > eComStation!) , and of course needed a way to connect to other things on > the network here. A terminal emulator is a must. :) > > Installed ZOC, and now replying to this message connected to my Alpha in > the house. (the NetVista workstation is in the back garage....because who > doesn't need a workstation in the garage just in case?) > > Now I need to see if I can find a halfway usable web browser... > > Fred From cctalk at ibm51xx.net Wed Oct 6 15:38:09 2021 From: cctalk at ibm51xx.net (Ali) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 13:38:09 -0700 Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01d7baf2$15094520$3f1bcf60$@net> > That is a DIFFERENT "Fred" > > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com Figured as much since it wasn't signed grumpy.... LOL! Plus never took you for an Alpha man.... -Ali From lproven at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 15:42:22 2021 From: lproven at gmail.com (Liam Proven) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 22:42:22 +0200 Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 22:33, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > That is a DIFFERENT "Fred" ? Miser at miser.net? Still sounds pretty grumpy, though... -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 From cz at alembic.crystel.com Wed Oct 6 20:54:30 2021 From: cz at alembic.crystel.com (Chris Zach) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 21:54:30 -0400 Subject: Another oddball Pro/350 document Message-ID: <40188d9e-2463-1d5f-5366-6cd08311e380@alembic.crystel.com> I have another odd preliminary document: Guide to writing a P/OS I/O Driver and advanced programming notes. Order AA-BT73A-TH Is there a copy on the net somewhere, or is this another unique oddball I should scan? C From paul at frixxon.co.uk Thu Oct 7 00:38:14 2021 From: paul at frixxon.co.uk (Paul Flo Williams) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 06:38:14 +0100 Subject: Another oddball Pro/350 document In-Reply-To: <40188d9e-2463-1d5f-5366-6cd08311e380@alembic.crystel.com> References: <40188d9e-2463-1d5f-5366-6cd08311e380@alembic.crystel.com> Message-ID: <20211007063814.32d61d4c@chopoc.localdomain> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 21:54:30 -0400 Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > I have another odd preliminary document: Guide to writing a P/OS I/O > Driver and advanced programming notes. Order AA-BT73A-TH > > Is there a copy on the net somewhere, or is this another unique > oddball I should scan? This is superseded by AA-BT73B-TH, which is at Bitsavers. From charlesmorris800 at centurytel.net Thu Oct 7 11:34:25 2021 From: charlesmorris800 at centurytel.net (Charles) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 11:34:25 -0500 Subject: Looking for Delphi software "Diag Tool" Message-ID: <486e62c8-ea12-4f75-f855-8de73e8e4157@centurytel.net> I have a 150cc scooter with a LiteOn MC21 fuel injection ECU that is malfunctioning. My search for a replacement brain has been unsuccessful. LiteOn became Delphi which is now part of Borg Warner and I don't see anything for download (or even purchase). All I've been able to find online is the "Delphi Small Engine Management System Service Manual" from 2008, which refers to an apparently Windows-based program referred to only as "DIAG TOOL". It can display running engine parameters and malfunction codes, although it does not appear to be capable of reflashing the ECU. I'm waiting for a connector kit to come from Amazon (probably via China) so I can rig it up on the bench with simulated inputs. The unit is potted in silicone rubber which will be a PITA to remove. I found this Ukranian site where a member had the fuel injector driver transistor fail (in his case, shorted) - http://geon-club.com.ua/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5735 If that's my problem it's failed open, but I'm not going to mutilate the box until I get it powered up on the bench... Any help with anything relating to the MC21 EFI would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! From wh.sudbrink at verizon.net Thu Oct 7 14:07:51 2021 From: wh.sudbrink at verizon.net (William Sudbrink) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 15:07:51 -0400 Subject: GE 600 film... References: <010701d7bbae$a0932360$e1b96a20$.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: <010701d7bbae$a0932360$e1b96a20$@verizon.net> Some really nice GE 600 mainframe computer footage, including manufacturing, just went up here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vHCxwXTkXk &t=2470s For those not familiar, A/V Geeks is a really neat channel, showing all kinds of vintage films for an hour at lunch time (East Coast US) each weekday. Bill S. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From couryhouse at aol.com Thu Oct 7 16:22:11 2021 From: couryhouse at aol.com (ED SHARPE) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 21:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: GE 600 film... In-Reply-To: <010701d7bbae$a0932360$e1b96a20$@verizon.net> References: <010701d7bbae$a0932360$e1b96a20$.ref@verizon.net> <010701d7bbae$a0932360$e1b96a20$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1926941149.831220.1633641731141@mail.yahoo.com> Does this stay up online forever ? It us great!? Thanks for sharing!? ?Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:09 PM, William Sudbrink via cctalk wrote: Some really nice GE 600 mainframe computer footage, including manufacturing, just went up here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vHCxwXTkXk &t=2470s For those not familiar, A/V Geeks is a really neat channel, showing all kinds of vintage films for an hour at lunch time (East Coast US) each weekday. Bill S. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From Michael at jongleur.co.uk Thu Oct 7 17:05:10 2021 From: Michael at jongleur.co.uk (Michael Mulhern) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 09:05:10 +1100 Subject: GE 600 film... In-Reply-To: <1926941149.831220.1633641731141@mail.yahoo.com> References: <010701d7bbae$a0932360$e1b96a20$.ref@verizon.net> <010701d7bbae$a0932360$e1b96a20$@verizon.net> <1926941149.831220.1633641731141@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the link. I've saved it to watch later. *Blog: RetroRetrospective ? Fun today with yesterday's gear??.. * *Podcast*: *Retro Computing Roundtable * (Co-Host) On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 08:22, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > Does this stay up online forever ? It us great! Thanks for sharing! Ed# > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:09 PM, William Sudbrink via cctalk< > cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: Some really nice GE 600 mainframe > computer footage, including manufacturing, > just went up here: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vHCxwXTkXk > &t=2470s > > > > For those not familiar, A/V Geeks is a really neat channel, showing all > kinds of vintage films for an hour > > at lunch time (East Coast US) each weekday. > > > > Bill S. > > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > From Michael at jongleur.co.uk Thu Oct 7 18:18:44 2021 From: Michael at jongleur.co.uk (Michael Mulhern) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:18:44 +1100 Subject: GE 600 film... In-Reply-To: References: <010701d7bbae$a0932360$e1b96a20$.ref@verizon.net> <010701d7bbae$a0932360$e1b96a20$@verizon.net> <1926941149.831220.1633641731141@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For those concerned that the videos only stay up for lunch, here is the link to all their current and previous uploaded content: https://www.youtube.com/user/theavgeeks/videos The GE600 segment was very interesting. //m *Blog: RetroRetrospective ? Fun today with yesterday's gear??.. * *Podcast*: *Retro Computing Roundtable * (Co-Host) On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 09:05, Michael Mulhern wrote: > Thanks for the link. I've saved it to watch later. > > *Blog: RetroRetrospective ? Fun today with yesterday's gear??.. > * > *Podcast*: *Retro Computing Roundtable * (Co-Host) > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 08:22, ED SHARPE via cctalk > wrote: > >> Does this stay up online forever ? It us great! Thanks for sharing! Ed# >> >> Sent from the all new AOL app for Android >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:09 PM, William Sudbrink via cctalk< >> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: Some really nice GE 600 mainframe >> computer footage, including manufacturing, >> just went up here: >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vHCxwXTkXk >> &t=2470s >> >> >> >> For those not familiar, A/V Geeks is a really neat channel, showing all >> kinds of vintage films for an hour >> >> at lunch time (East Coast US) each weekday. >> >> >> >> Bill S. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> From mark.kahrs at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 11:40:58 2021 From: mark.kahrs at gmail.com (Mark Kahrs) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:40:58 -0400 Subject: MK11 box controller? Message-ID: "Asking for a friend"... Anyone have a spare MK11 box controller? At LSSM, we're bringing up an 11/70 and we need a box controller for the new memory. If not, we'll get by, but just in case someone has one propping a door open... From robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 11 02:26:56 2021 From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com (Rob Jarratt) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:26:56 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Contacting_J=F6rg_Hoppe_=28Unibone=29?= Message-ID: <06fe01d7be71$5fdfbfc0$1f9f3f40$@ntlworld.com> Just tried emailing him and got a non-delivery error. Does anyone have an email address for him please? Thanks Rob From edcross at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 02:32:17 2021 From: edcross at gmail.com (Ed C.) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:32:17 +0200 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Contacting_J=C3=B6rg_Hoppe_=28Unibone=29?= In-Reply-To: <06fe01d7be71$5fdfbfc0$1f9f3f40$@ntlworld.com> References: <06fe01d7be71$5fdfbfc0$1f9f3f40$@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: I bought from him last week, all was good and fast. j_hoppe at t-online.de On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 09:27 Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: > Just tried emailing him and got a non-delivery error. Does anyone have an > email address for him please? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rob > > From robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com Mon Oct 11 02:55:10 2021 From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com (Rob Jarratt) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:55:10 +0100 Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?RE:_Contacting_J=C3=B6rg_Hoppe_=28Unibo?= =?UTF-8?Q?ne=29?= In-Reply-To: References: <06fe01d7be71$5fdfbfc0$1f9f3f40$@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <070901d7be75$518f0ee0$f4ad2ca0$@ntlworld.com> That?s the address I have, maybe it was just a glitch, I will try again. From: Ed C. Sent: 11 October 2021 08:32 To: rob at jarratt.me.uk; Rob Jarratt ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Contacting J?rg Hoppe (Unibone) I bought from him last week, all was good and fast. j_hoppe at t-online.de On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 09:27 Rob Jarratt via cctalk > wrote: Just tried emailing him and got a non-delivery error. Does anyone have an email address for him please? Thanks Rob From fred at MISER.MISERNET.NET Mon Oct 11 09:11:55 2021 From: fred at MISER.MISERNET.NET (Fred) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 22:42:22 +0200 > From: Liam Proven > Subject: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3 > > Miser at miser.net? Still sounds pretty grumpy, though... Nah, not grumpy. Just cheap and/or frugal. ;) I also do not claim to the be the other (Grumpy) Fred. From mazzinia at tin.it Mon Oct 11 12:24:22 2021 From: mazzinia at tin.it (mazzinia at tin.it) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 19:24:22 +0200 Subject: Originally from [rescue] : Jo"rg Schilling has passed (cdrtools, Solaris evangelist, etc.) Message-ID: <028501d7bec4$d57a79c0$806f6d40$@tin.it> Going to forward what I read in another list : https://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2021-October/024523.html From cisin at xenosoft.com Mon Oct 11 13:06:39 2021 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 11:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fred (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 85, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> Miser at miser.net? Still sounds pretty grumpy, though... On Mon, 11 Oct 2021, a "Fred" via cctalk wrote: > Nah, not grumpy. Just cheap and/or frugal. ;) > I also do not claim to the be the other (Grumpy) Fred. Nobody wants to be confused with me. I did EAM and FORTRAN in the 1960s, Got out of aerospace when it was collapsing, and opened an auto repair (VW, Honda) shop in the 1970s, got back into computers, as planned, when microcomputers got to my price range in late 1970s. Wrote software ("XenoCopy"), and taught commuity college. Became "Grumpy Ol' Fred" when in an email list with multiple "Fred"s, in order to spare the other "Fred"s from bing confused with me. Now, howzbout a short, quick introduction? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com From john at forecast.name Mon Oct 11 13:52:56 2021 From: john at forecast.name (John Forecast) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:52:56 -0400 Subject: FTGH Message-ID: <90D19080-C94F-4841-9BFD-540B47931024@forecast.name> Due to family medical issues I have to downsize and move into a retirement facility at the end of this month. The following are available for local pick up only in the Boston MA metro west region. I can be reached off-list at john at forecast.name. DEC VT180 with 4 floppy drives Includes HSC Inc?s CO16 8086 coprocessor with 256KB memory Full hardware documentation for the CO16 Documentation: Bios User?s Guide CP/M Operating System Manual Multiplan Manuals Microsoft M80/L80 Manua MBasic VT180 v5.21 Reference manual No software available. If/When I find the software I will make it available to whoever takes this system. Digital Research CP/M Plus distribution (includes 8? floppies) Acorn RISC OS 3 Programmers Reference Manuals Volumes 1 - 5 + Style Guide (This does not appear to be available on Bitsavers) Apple Inside Macintosh Volumes 1 - 6 Quicktime components Communications toolbox Apple Resedit reference Minix Software Minix 1.5 for Macintosh (including disks) Minix for the Atari ST Minix Binaries and Sources for IBM PC/AT (5?? floppies) Miscellaneous Macintosh Software (Pre MacOS) At Ease Kid Pix Kid Pix Companion SimEarth Sim City Sim Town Sim City 2000 Sim City 2000 Scenarios - Vol 1 Great Disasters Sim City Urban Renewal Kit Microsoft Flight Simulator Disk Doubler Auto Doubler Virtual Hard Disk Toolkit Reader Rabbit Metrowerks CodeWarrior Bronze Think C Version 5 Think Reference Miscellaneous Macintosh Books (Pre MacOS) The Apple Macintosh Book by Cary Lu Hypercard Developers Guide Miscellaneous Atari ST Software Balance Of Power Omnires Monitor PC Ditto Miscellaneous Atari ST Books Atari ST Internals Programmer?s Reference Guide Other: Atari 400/800 Disk Operating System Reference Manual Atari 810 Disk Drive Operators Manual From cz at alembic.crystel.com Mon Oct 11 22:31:43 2021 From: cz at alembic.crystel.com (Chris Zach) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 23:31:43 -0400 Subject: Anyone need a Pro/350 motherboard? Message-ID: <10934995-4609-72f3-822e-abb8d35f8103@alembic.crystel.com> Cleaning out my parents' house I found a Pro/350 motherboard spare new in box. I'd use it here, except for the fact that: It's a spares so it doesn't have chips. Not a biggie as I have plenty of 11/23 CPUs but the FPU was in some sort of carrier so I don't have that. It doesn't have the boot ROMs Most important, the Pro/350 didn't have video on board. I don't have the video cards for a 350, so I can't just swap it into one of my 380's and expect anything to work other than the serial port. Let me know. C