From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Feb 1 00:22:41 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:00 2005 Subject: OT: ebay search question, excluding sellers Message-ID: Is there a way to perform an eBay search that excludes specific sellers? My wife and I collect Neo Geo MVS carts and are getting really tired of seeing all the auctions belonging to a seller that is a bootleg selling crook. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Feb 1 01:00:16 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Never mind - OT: ebay search question, excluding sellers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Is there a way to perform an eBay search that excludes specific sellers? My wife and I collect Neo Geo MVS carts and are getting really tired of seeing all the auctions belonging to a seller that is a bootleg selling crook. Never mind, I found it in the bottom of advanced search, search by seller. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From geoffr at zipcon.net Sun Feb 1 01:44:18 2004 From: geoffr at zipcon.net (Geoff Reed) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: OT: ebay search question, excluding sellers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040131234356.02bbaec0@mail.zipcon.net> none that I know of, but if he's selling bootleg, report him... At 10:22 PM 1/31/2004, you wrote: >Is there a way to perform an eBay search that excludes specific >sellers? My wife and I collect Neo Geo MVS carts and are getting really >tired of seeing all the auctions belonging to a seller that is a bootleg >selling crook. > > Zane > >-- >-- >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | >| healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | >| | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Sun Feb 1 04:17:46 2004 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg (MyDoom/Novarg) In-Reply-To: chris "Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg" (Jan 31, 18:36) References: Message-ID: <10402011017.ZM27581@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Jan 31, 18:36, chris wrote: > >The message contains Unicode characters and has been sent as a binary > >attachment. > > Despite allegedly coming from me, I was not the sender of the above > email. I assure you none of my Macs are infected with this Windows worm. > :-) > > Someone else with my addy on their machine has been infected. IP in the > header traces back to RIPE Networks in Amsterdam. > > Fortunately, it appears the list strips attachments, so the email is > nothing more harmful then a minor annoyance to the list. Yes, this is standard MyDoom/Novarg. It spoofs the sender in the "From:" and for good measure uses their hostname in the SMTP exchange when it contacts the destination. Then it adds a zipfile which contains the payload. The list does strip attachments -- you can't send attachments to this list, nor HTML. Incidentally, Sellam: just not using OE isn't a cure. It might reduce the problem, but enough people will save and then open attachments anyway; besides, there are other ways of passing a virus or worm. I've seen a few of these at work last week. I blackholed about ten machines. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From waltje at pdp11.nl Sun Feb 1 05:27:49 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: DECnet/E and DECnet-Plus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >What I did notice is that DEQNA's (and DELQA's) quite often drop packets > >as soon as traffic gets heavier on the network. I tested this at the > >raw-iron level (my own bare-metal test code) so that is not an OS- > >driver issue. Under E11, I did not see this weirdness happen, so it > >is a real-hardware thing. > > Have you ever gotten DECnet/E running on E11? Has anyone? I forget where it dies, but IIRC, it gets as far as the reboot after the install, then it can no longer find the ethernet adapter. Well, to quote Eric Cartman: "I would if I could, you..." .. I dont have anything for RSTS other than RSTS itself, *and* have a serious lack in knowledge of the system :) Learning RSX and RSTS is high on my todo-list. But, if you give me directions, and a copy of dnet/e, I can always try it on my hardware and emu's... --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Sun Feb 1 05:33:38 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Bad Newz Message-ID: All, Hmm. This new year seems to have ha a bad start for me... the disks on the pdp11.nl server are fried. I have *no* idea what caused this, other than heat (in an airco-controlled room???), but it is a fact. I have ordered new disks (under warranty, fortunately) and *do* have a backup on DLT, so most of the stuff is still "around". It will take me about a week or so for things to get back up... Cheerz, Fred (back in Holland, just so y'all know) -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA From waltje at pdp11.nl Sun Feb 1 05:36:34 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: New Finds: DEC OSF/1 {MIPS,Alpha} Message-ID: All, Kudos to the folks at DEC, er, Compaq, err, HP, we have saved several quite-old versions of the OSF/1 system.. I have OSF/1 V2.0, 2.0B, 2.1, 3.0, 3.0B and 3.2 all saved, and more to come. Yay! Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA From dan_williams at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 1 05:54:13 2004 From: dan_williams at ntlworld.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org> <401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com> <1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: <401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> Jules Richardson wrote: >On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 22:40, Dan Williams wrote: > > >>cb@mythtech.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>The message contains Unicode characters and has been sent as a binary attachment. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>That's a new one on me. >> >>Dan >> >> > >I think that's how the MyDoom virus normally turns up, although the >copies I've received normally have a more meaningful subject and text to >trick idiots into launching the attached executable "text file". > >First time I've seen an attempted virus post to the list if that's what >it was though... > >I didn't think the list would let anything through with an attachment >though. I guess the message headers are a little screwy though; >Evolution's inbox pane thinks there's an attachment, but the message >view pane doesn't... > >cheers > >Jules > > > That makes more sense, the nice mr. Norton must of taken it away., the email address I am using at the moment is only used for this group and the rescue list and I have started getting a lot of updates from "microsoft", invites to blind dates recently. Dan From dan_williams at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 1 06:01:09 2004 From: dan_williams at ntlworld.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: how do I connect a BBC micro to a VGA monitor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401CEA85.1080504@ntlworld.com> Tony Duell wrote: >>I would like to connect the RGB TTL output of a BBC micro to >>a VGA monitor, does anybody have any pointers - suggestions? >> >> > >It's very difficult... > >The trivial problem is that he RGB socket on a Beeb is TTL level digital, >the VGA input is analogue. Trivial, because there's only 1 bit per colour >on the Beeb anyway, so a resistor network will convert the voltage levels. > >The difficult problem is that the scan rates are totally different (VGA >is 31kHz horizontal, the Beeb is 15.625kHz). If you have a multisync >monitor that will go down to 15kHz (some of the old ones will), then >there's no problem, otherwise you've got a lot of work either modifying >the monitor or making a standards converter. > >Probably the easiest solution if you're not a video expert is to use a PC >with a TV input card. You could at least feed the Beeb's composite output >into such a card (do any such cards exist with RGB inputs?) > >-tony > > > wasn't there a hack on the mainboard to convert the composite to colour Dan From dr.ido at bigpond.net.au Sun Feb 1 07:15:13 2004 From: dr.ido at bigpond.net.au (Dr. Ido) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: how do I connect a BBC micro to a VGA monitor? In-Reply-To: <401CEA85.1080504@ntlworld.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040201231513.00fc946c@pop-server> At 12:01 PM 2/1/04 +0000, you wrote: >Tony Duell wrote: > >>>I would like to connect the RGB TTL output of a BBC micro to >>>a VGA monitor, does anybody have any pointers - suggestions? >>> >>> >> >>It's very difficult... >> >>The trivial problem is that he RGB socket on a Beeb is TTL level digital, >>the VGA input is analogue. Trivial, because there's only 1 bit per colour >>on the Beeb anyway, so a resistor network will convert the voltage levels. >> >>The difficult problem is that the scan rates are totally different (VGA >>is 31kHz horizontal, the Beeb is 15.625kHz). If you have a multisync >>monitor that will go down to 15kHz (some of the old ones will), then >>there's no problem, otherwise you've got a lot of work either modifying >>the monitor or making a standards converter. >> >>Probably the easiest solution if you're not a video expert is to use a PC >>with a TV input card. You could at least feed the Beeb's composite output >>into such a card (do any such cards exist with RGB inputs?) The alternative is to use a scandoubler such as a Micomsoft XRGB 1, 2, or 2+. These upscan composite video, S-video (NTSC only) and analog RGB to VGA. They aren't cheap, (I paid US$200 for my XRGB2) but the quality is far better than any of the cheap video to VGA boxes I've tried. I use mine with various game consoles and home computers. As a side note, any suggestions on how to convert CGA to analog RGB so I can run my Tandy 1000 through it? From paul at frixxon.co.uk Sun Feb 1 06:30:42 2004 From: paul at frixxon.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Bad Newz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401CF172.4000906@frixxon.co.uk> Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > the disks on the pdp11.nl server are fried. > I have ordered new disks (under warranty, fortunately) and *do* have > a backup on DLT, so most of the stuff is still "around". It will > take me about a week or so for things to get back up... I have 4.7 GiB of documents from pdp11.nl listed in Manx, copied between 2003-10-26 and 2003-11-06, so when you restore the backups I will send you anything that is missing (PDFs only, that is -- I don't have a copy of the web pages). -- Paul From rcini at optonline.net Sun Feb 1 07:19:59 2004 From: rcini at optonline.net (Richard A. Cini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Some things for sale - update In-Reply-To: <12c.3ab88216.2d4d4520@aol.com> Message-ID: <003001c3e8c6$181d7c20$8201a8c0@bbrdhveies50vd> David: I dook a look at the list. I have both of those BYTEs. I might be interested in the Interface Age and Kilobaud magazines but it would be only to save them from going into the dumpster -- those are series that I don't really collect. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/ -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of MTPro@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:51 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Some things for sale - update Hello, with everyone's patience, I would just like to offer that I now have a list of mags for sell, please e-mail for list. Also, here is more detailed info in order to sell the following: Generic, non-front-panel S-100 system with cool smoked plexiglass cover/case Dual 8" disk drives in chassis ADM5 terminal Please see: http://members.aol.com/mtpro/s100.html Also: Amiga 1000, monitor, external disk drive - complete system IBM Convertible with printer in IBM carrying case, disks, manual, works but screen does not display properly now Osborne 1, slightly newer OCC1 model with blue face front and keyboard top, looks great, excellent display, but can't get it to boot, all "boot errors." Drive needs cleaning, adjustment, replacement? Or are my boot disks just bad? Amstrad PPC640, seems to work, ready to boot, no disk, plus contrast does not work and hinge needs repair on display Most excellent Apple /// complete system with booting Apple Profile hard drive! I am motivated to sell, will definitely sell for less than eBay prices, but I'm not giving things away for next to nothing. Please offer reasonable offers. Thank you, David Greelish From ghldbrd at ccp.com Sun Feb 1 08:29:58 2004 From: ghldbrd at ccp.com (ghldbrd@ccp.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: OT: ebay search question, excluding sellers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4613.65.123.179.136.1075645798.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> > Is there a way to perform an eBay search that excludes specific sellers? > My wife and I collect Neo Geo MVS carts and are getting really tired of > seeing all the auctions belonging to a seller that is a bootleg selling > crook. > > Zane I don't think you can with the advanced search thing. I'd probably pitch a bitch with E-pay over this seller. I won't guarantee any results though, but maybe others have the same complaint. Remember dollars speak volumes over words. Washington DC knows that bromide well. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO From lbickley at bickleywest.com Sun Feb 1 08:45:39 2004 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: New Finds: DEC OSF/1 {MIPS,Alpha} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402010645.39727.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Very cool, indeed! Looking forward to checking 'em out. Did they give you/us free license for hobby purposes? Lyle On Sunday 01 February 2004 03:36, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > All, > > Kudos to the folks at DEC, er, Compaq, err, HP, we have saved several > quite-old versions of the OSF/1 system.. I have OSF/1 V2.0, 2.0B, 2.1, > 3.0, 3.0B and 3.2 all saved, and more to come. > > Yay! > > Fred -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From fernande at internet1.net Sun Feb 1 09:16:46 2004 From: fernande at internet1.net (Chad Fernandez) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: OT: ebay search question, excluding sellers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401D185E.9010806@internet1.net> Zane, Look or something unique about his auctions. When doimg your search type Neo Geo -xxxx. The xxxx being whatever unique you found about the sellers auction. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA Zane H. Healy wrote: > Is there a way to perform an eBay search that excludes specific sellers? My wife and I collect Neo Geo MVS carts and are getting really tired of seeing all the auctions belonging to a seller that is a bootleg selling crook. > > Zane From vcf at siconic.com Sun Feb 1 11:25:05 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: OT: ebay search question, excluding sellers In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040131234356.02bbaec0@mail.zipcon.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Geoff Reed wrote: > none that I know of, but if he's selling bootleg, report him... Oh yeah, eBay will jump right on that! (Hint: sarcasm ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Sun Feb 1 11:25:51 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg (MyDoom/Novarg) In-Reply-To: <10402011017.ZM27581@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Pete Turnbull wrote: > Incidentally, Sellam: just not using OE isn't a cure. It might reduce I know, but it's a good start ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Sun Feb 1 11:19:58 2004 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: how do I connect a BBC micro to a VGA monitor? In-Reply-To: Dan Williams "Re: how do I connect a BBC micro to a VGA monitor?" (Feb 1, 12:01) References: <401CEA85.1080504@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <10402011719.ZM27821@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Feb 1, 12:01, Dan Williams wrote: > >Probably the easiest solution if you're not a video expert is to use a PC > >with a TV input card. You could at least feed the Beeb's composite output > >into such a card (do any such cards exist with RGB inputs?) > wasn't there a hack on the mainboard to convert the composite to colour It's not a hack, it's a jumper on S39 on later Beebs (or add a small capacitor on early ones, which I admit is a hack, even if "official"). You don't need that for the UHF output, though, only for the composite video on the BNC socket. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Sun Feb 1 11:32:23 2004 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: BRUCE LANE / BLUEFEATHERS TECH - please contact me Message-ID: <000801c3e8e9$5a9e8cb0$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Bruce, I've attempted to email you at your public address and your backup (.qsl) address with no success - apparently you have an anti-yahoo filter in place. Please email me directly. Thanks. Jack Rubin jack.rubin@ameritech.net From esharpe at cox.net Sun Feb 1 10:30:00 2004 From: esharpe at cox.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: quicktime of the old 20 year old mac 1984 orwellian ad.... this is cool! there is also some good mac Message-ID: <001501c3e8e0$a3888f60$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> view the QuickTime of the old 20 year old Mac 1984 Orwellian ad.... this is cool! there is also some good Mac interviews also on this npr web site http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1627800.html Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301 From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 1 11:33:23 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: how do I connect a BBC micro to a VGA monitor? In-Reply-To: <401CEA85.1080504@ntlworld.com> from "Dan Williams" at Feb 1, 4 12:01:09 pm Message-ID: > >Probably the easiest solution if you're not a video expert is to use a PC > >with a TV input card. You could at least feed the Beeb's composite output > >into such a card (do any such cards exist with RGB inputs?) > > > >-tony > > > > > > > wasn't there a hack on the mainboard to convert the composite to colour Yes. On msot Beebs, it's just a matter of fitting the right jumper. On the ACW (which has a Beeb B+ as the I/O processor), you have to fit 4 chips and a handful of components to add the PAL encoder circuitry. However, the PAL subcarrier may well cause artefacts with 80 column text. I'd prefer to use an RGB connection if possible. -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Sun Feb 1 11:37:16 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: how do I connect a BBC micro to a VGA monitor? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040201231513.00fc946c@pop-server> from "Dr. Ido" at Feb 1, 4 11:15:13 pm Message-ID: > As a side note, any suggestions on how to convert CGA to analog RGB so I > can run my Tandy 1000 through it? Well, what you need to do is use some buffers and resistors to combine the RGBI digital signals into 3 analogue signals (look at the schematics of a CGA monitor for detials). If you don't mind just having 8 colours, you can ignore the I signal, and just use potential dividers to reduce the TTL signals to the 1V analogue levels (a quick-n-dirty solution if the analogue inputs are terminated with 75 ohms, as they should be, is just to put a 300 ohm resistor in series with each of the 3 digital signals). Then you have to sort out the syncs. Typically you need to Xor the 2 syncs on the CGA connector to get a composite sync. Then maybe invert that. Maybe bring that down to 1V levels with a 300 ohm series resistor. -tony From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Feb 1 11:58:19 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: OT: ebay search question, excluding sellers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Geoff Reed wrote: > >> none that I know of, but if he's selling bootleg, report him... > >Oh yeah, eBay will jump right on that! > >(Hint: sarcasm ;) What gets me is that SNK/Playmore haven't gone after this guy and his mother (he's had several accounts shut down, but keeps selling under his mothers). I really wish eBay was better about doing something about these illegal auctions. Granted in the case of this guy there is no obvious evidence he's a crook, but it's well known in the Neo Geo community. What I'd like to know is how he keeps from getting negative feedback. I do know he sets the auctions up so that the bidders names are hidden, I assume this is so people can't warn the bidders he's a crook. I've reported people selling Neo Geo MAME ROMs to eBay before, but they don't ever do anything about it :^( On a positive note, I just got my wife a brand new Metal Slug 4 cart, purchased from a *HIGHLY* reputable dealer :^) Though not from eBay. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From marvin at rain.org Sun Feb 1 12:24:35 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: OT: ebay search question, excluding sellers References: Message-ID: <401D4463.A9EBC222@rain.org> "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > > I've reported people selling Neo Geo MAME ROMs to eBay before, but they don't ever do anything about it :^( If they are bootleg ROMs, someone has the copyright to them; have them shut down the auctions under the (somewhat stupid) VERO program. From dave at mitton.com Sun Feb 1 13:29:26 2004 From: dave at mitton.com (Dave Mitton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: new find: Sun Ultra 10 - NVRAM and Boot In-Reply-To: <200401311651.i0VGpUOI099831@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040201141552.03c32cd0@getmail.mitton.com> well this thread has wandered and fragmented before I saw it. I have a Sun Ultra 5 running in my basement. It took me a little bit of work to keep it running. One problem with these platforms is that they have a battery powered NVRAM chip in them, that will give out after a several years. (Sort of like a PC's CMOS) If they die, the boot fails. Good news is that the replacement parts are available. Here's a FAQ http://www.squirrel.com/squirrel/sun-nvram-hostid.faq.html I got one from Digikey for about $20. A tip: I found if I left the system powered up for several days, that the NVRAM would charge up enough to boot ... sometimes. wrt: boot process - Scrounge around on the Sun website in the docs area, you need to find the detailed documentation on the boot process and commands. - There is a extended diagnostic mode that you can evoke with the right key combinations at power-up. - It will display running POST diagnostics while booting to the screen or a serial terminal. You can also get it to leave a failure code in the various lights on the keyboard. (get that keyboard hooked up!) You need the docs to decode the indication. Solaris 9 and Companion software CDs are availible from Sun for FREE on their website. There are also sunfreeware sites out there. Dave. On 1/31/2004 10:51 AM -0600, cctech-request@classiccmp.org wrote: >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:20:07 -0500 >From: "Joe R." >Subject: Re: new find: Sun Ultra 10 >To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > >Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040130202007.00849530@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >At 06:14 PM 1/30/04 -0500, you wrote: > >> Subject: new find: Sun Ultra 10 > > > >> Found one of these today. Tried to boot it but it goes into terminal > >> mode because I don't have a keyboard attached. > > > >And won't boot as well? Odd. > > It probably is trying to boot but I don't have a keyboard attached so it >reports that there's no keyboard attached and that it will connect to a >terminal on COM 1. Then the screen blanks out. > > > > >> No idea of the amount of memory or CPU speed since I can't get to the > >> OS. > > > >Older Suns report their RAM config and at least some info about their > >CPU in the ROM-generated banner. If it has the "ok " prompt the older > >machines use, typing "banner" at it might do something useful. > > It never gets that far without the keyboard. I have a keyboard in >storage. I'll go get it tomorrow. > > Joe From kb3hag at comcast.net Sun Feb 1 12:43:10 2004 From: kb3hag at comcast.net (Gary Sparkes) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Silent 700 Message-ID: <000801c3e8f3$3df43f60$6401a8c0@seto> I read in some mailing list posts that you have a few silent 700's. How many 765's do you have? do you have any schems/docs for it ? i have a 765 here that is somewhat broken, nothing out the coupler and non of the keys respond, the lights all light up in the right corner. Anything you can do to help would be nice From finnegpt at purdue.edu Sun Feb 1 14:51:21 2004 From: finnegpt at purdue.edu (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: <200401302035.i0UKZHKI091013@io.crash.com> References: <200401302035.i0UKZHKI091013@io.crash.com> Message-ID: <200402011551.21367.finnegpt@purdue.edu> On Friday 30 January 2004 15:35, Steve Jones wrote: > Brad Parker wrote: > > Has anyone tried either of the tu58 "emulators"? I found one > > software tar and another hardware device. > > Here are the two items Brad referred to: > http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/TU58_Emulator.htm > http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Emulators/TU58/ You might wanna check out VTserver if you don't have a machine running with an old-enough copy of UNIX on it: ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/pub/PDP-11/Vtserver/ It works quite beautifully when I've tried using it. And, unlike the tu58 software emulator you mentioned, actually does compile on Linux (and thus probably Free/NetBSD and other modern UNIXes). Pat -- PLUG Vice President -- http://plug.purdue.org Slackware Linux -- http://slackware.com Purdue University Research Computing -- http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs "sort of the opposite of rose-colored glasses... maybe looking through swamp gas.." -- Anonymous. From aw288 at osfn.org Sun Feb 1 16:25:20 2004 From: aw288 at osfn.org (William Donzelli) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: Big eBay bux for Comdyna hybrid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > $1,400 bux, to be exact - which was the 'Buy-It-Now' price, that option > was exercised. > > Ahem. %^&$. I was just goin to put one on Ebay. I suppose I should wait now... William Donzelli aw288@osfn.org From jpl15 at panix.com Sun Feb 1 19:10:53 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: HP JetDirect card Message-ID: There was recently a thread about the JetDirect I/O cards for AitchPee stuff... I have dug one up whilst sorting thru multiple boxes of KAK looking for a small RF connector... anyway this is: JetDirect 600N Ethernet J3111A physical condition looks fine, otherwise unknown, free for the asking, ship via USPS priority mail. Cheers John From rdd at rddavis.org Sun Feb 1 19:27:12 2004 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: HP JetDirect card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040202012045.GG6776@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe John Lawson, from writings of Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 08:10:53PM -0500: > stuff... I have dug one up whilst sorting thru multiple boxes of KAK > looking for a small RF connector... anyway this is: > > JetDirect 600N Ethernet J3111A > > physical condition looks fine, otherwise unknown, free for the asking, > ship via USPS priority mail. I'll take it if is still avialable! :-) -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From rdd at rddavis.org Sun Feb 1 19:35:30 2004 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: HP JetDirect card In-Reply-To: <20040202012045.GG6776@rhiannon.rddavis.org> References: <20040202012045.GG6776@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: <20040202012907.GJ6776@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe R. D. Davis, from writings of Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 08:20:46PM -0500: > > looking for a small RF connector... anyway this is: What kind of RF connector are you looking for? -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From jpl15 at panix.com Sun Feb 1 19:52:16 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: JetDirect card spoken for Message-ID: If your initials aren't 'MM' then I regret I had only one... ;} (Damn - shoulda put 'er on eBay...) [joke...] Thanks to all the other respondents... If I find more (unlikely) I'll go down the list, in the time-order recieved - you guys were about 5 minutes apart. Cheerz John From jpl15 at panix.com Sun Feb 1 19:55:36 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: HP JetDirect card In-Reply-To: <20040202012907.GJ6776@rhiannon.rddavis.org> References: <20040202012045.GG6776@rhiannon.rddavis.org> <20040202012907.GJ6776@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, R. D. Davis wrote: > Quothe R. D. Davis, from writings of Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 08:20:46PM -0500: > > > looking for a small RF connector... anyway this is: > > What kind of RF connector are you looking for? A standard car-radio antenna connector - I found a little Uniden Bearcat scanner on the ground at the dump, of all places... brought it back, dusted it off, and it works fine... just wanted to use a 'real' connector instead of the hunk of wire I had stuck in the antenna jack on it... Thanks!! Cheers John From aek at spies.com Sun Feb 1 20:08:23 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:03 2005 Subject: list "Archival Options" Message-ID: <200402020208.i1228NV0018617@spies.com> Jay, would you please change "Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been sent, or to the time we resend it?" to "When resent" on the "Archival Options" admin page. This will put the archive in temporal order when viewed "by date" From jwest at classiccmp.org Sun Feb 1 20:57:16 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: list "Archival Options" References: <200402020208.i1228NV0018617@spies.com> Message-ID: <006701c3e938$44734030$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: list "Archival Options" > > Jay, would you please change > "Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been sent, or to the time we resend it?" > to "When resent" on the "Archival Options" admin page. > > This will put the archive in temporal order when viewed "by date" > > > From teoz at neo.rr.com Sun Feb 1 21:07:50 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Legal question on swapping gone bad Message-ID: <007401c3e939$bdfb5a40$0500fea9@game> I know a few people that got burned sending equipment to somebody and never receiving their money or swap items in return (not from this list). Anyway what can you do legally about something like this? The people are from different states and a few that got burnt were minors. Just trying to help them out since I believe over $1k was ripped off. I am sure you guys ran into this kind of thing before. From jpl15 at panix.com Sun Feb 1 21:28:17 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Legal question on swapping gone bad In-Reply-To: <007401c3e939$bdfb5a40$0500fea9@game> References: <007401c3e939$bdfb5a40$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > I know a few people that got burned sending equipment to somebody and > never receiving their money or swap items in return (not from this > list). Anyway what can you do legally about something like this? The > people are from different states and a few that got burnt were minors. Depending on the state, and the mode of how the 'deal' was arranged... you can go to the USPS, the District Attorney in the state the 'thief' lives in, and/or the police/sheriff/law enforcement there. In the case of minors arranging deals - that is problematic, since most states have a "verbal contract" law, and of course this excludes persons incapable of entering into same. Now - take this for what it's worth. I've done an awful lot of online buying and selling, and have seen these cases many times. It's not a particularly good success rate, *especially* if the person on the other end is a rip-off artist or professional con. Sometimes, when folks are just slow, procrastinators, or get into bad situations - things can be worked out with a bit of firm 'prodding'... The only two times I have gotten 'bad' deals were on this List, BTW - one (long-ago) poster got me for $100 and disappeared, end of story. The other time, the individual had to be repeatedly threatened with legal action to get him to ship me my Stuff. In the first case, the individual apparently knew he was going to 'disappear' in advance, and got to several of us. In the latter case, the person had a business failure that caused them a lot of terrible headaches, and I was not on the "A" list during that time... I did finally get those items, though... happy ending. Generally 'feces occurs' once in a while. I"ve been luckier than some, I guess. I hope this helps. Cheers John From teoz at neo.rr.com Sun Feb 1 21:49:47 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Enlight case Message-ID: <00e401c3e93f$9a96a040$0500fea9@game> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3455777210&category=3669&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1 I didn't think people still buy AT cases, but this one (without power supply) went for $46.52 (I have this exact case in a p2-400 system for old games). Just pointing this out because even some common 486-Pentium PC era stuff has some value if it was of good quality. As time goes on cases get cheaper in quality, at least from what I have seen. From dickset at amanda.spole.gov Sun Feb 1 16:59:44 2004 From: dickset at amanda.spole.gov (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: <401962A7.8010909@jcwren.com> References: <0401291913.AA25770@ivan.Harhan.ORG> <401962A7.8010909@jcwren.com> Message-ID: <20040201225944.GB17628@bos7.spole.gov> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 02:44:39PM -0500, J.C. Wren wrote: > > Wha? 'nyet' is Russian for 'no' last time I checked a dictionary. But in Russian, it's three letters... written like "net", *pronounced* like "nyet". -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 01-Feb-2004 22:50 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -29.7 F (-34.3 C) Windchill -59.3 F (-50.7 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 9 kts Grid 037 Barometer 691.7 mb (10187. ft) Ethan.Dicks@amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html From dickset at amanda.spole.gov Sun Feb 1 17:16:32 2004 From: dickset at amanda.spole.gov (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Kinda OT: Bandwidth on the island? (was Re: Estimated Price Of A "Classic" PDP-8?) In-Reply-To: References: <20040126130458.GA15945@bos7.spole.gov> Message-ID: <20040201231632.GA18329@bos7.spole.gov> On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:27:04AM -0800, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > Say, what sort of bandwidth (internet-wise) do you guys get down there > now? McMurdo has had a 1.5Mbps 24/7 line since Jan, 1995. It's permanently provisioned for both internet and traditional phones. IIRC, about 768Kbps is the size of the internet pipe. That's for ~1200 users. I think they get about 20 mail messages a minute plus surfing and ftp. At Pole, we use a network of obsolete satellites with a variety of speeds, but we don't have a traditional phone setup; we have VoIP. Our pipes run from 19.2K or so to 1.0Mbps and 1.5Mbps. It's 100% internet for ~240 users in the summer and < 100 users in the winter. So... things are better here at Pole, but we're only up about half the day. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 01-Feb-2004 23:10 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -28.4 F (-33.6 C) Windchill -60.1 F (-51.2 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 9.69 kts Grid 050 Barometer 691.7 mb (10187. ft) Ethan.Dicks@amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html From dickset at amanda.spole.gov Sun Feb 1 16:55:22 2004 From: dickset at amanda.spole.gov (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: <200401291131.i0TBVAC27702@mwave.heeltoe.com> References: <200401291131.i0TBVAC27702@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: <20040201225522.GA17628@bos7.spole.gov> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 06:31:10AM -0500, Brad Parker wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if there is a version of Ultrix which will boot on an > 11/730? I used to run Ultrix 1.1 on an 11/730 at work. Nothing funny... load and go. One tip: we had a problem when we put UUCP up on it and ran Net News on it after the great renaming. You'll need a modern newsgroups file. Max memory is 5MB. Dunno about newer versions than v1.1, but keep the memory size in mind. You should be able to stuff a UDA-50 or Emulex SMD controller on it, so disk size shouldn't be a problem. Which version do you have? The one that looks like a skinny 11/750 or the RL02/RB80 version with the CPU in the middle? I've never worked with the skinny-11/750 cab. I presume there's room in the CPU box for a couple of DD-11DKs, but that's merely an assumption. You would have to have external disk, though (but I suppose there's room in the cab for an RA70 or other smallish disk). -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 01-Feb-2004 22:50 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -29.7 F (-34.3 C) Windchill -59.3 F (-50.7 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 9 kts Grid 037 Barometer 691.7 mb (10187. ft) Ethan.Dicks@amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html From jpero at sympatico.ca Sun Feb 1 17:10:06 2004 From: jpero at sympatico.ca (jpero@sympatico.ca) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Enlight case In-Reply-To: <00e401c3e93f$9a96a040$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <20040202040836.LIRP23158.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@duron> > I didn't think people still buy AT cases, but this one (without > power supply) went for $46.52 (I have this exact case in a p2-400 > system for old games). Just pointing this out because even some > common 486-Pentium PC era stuff has some value if it was of good > quality. As time goes on cases get cheaper in quality, at least from > what I have seen. > Somewhat correct, in that era of AT stuff (88 to 96) quality is all over the map and decent stuff is hard to find till online ordering got more plentiful around 97. That case with PSU (has to, was about 100 to 120 new back then). Warning: there were junk clones of those. Keep in mind, I've been there in that era and quickly discovered quality is requirement for generic peecees. Today, the decent cases with good quality still cost about the same still. The junkie cases still cost below 80. Cheers, Wizard From pat at computer-refuge.org Sun Feb 1 22:28:29 2004 From: pat at computer-refuge.org (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: OT: PeeCee cases (was Re: Enlight case) In-Reply-To: <20040202040836.LIRP23158.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@duron> References: <20040202040836.LIRP23158.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@duron> Message-ID: <200402012328.29012.pat@computer-refuge.org> On Sunday 01 February 2004 18:10, jpero@sympatico.ca wrote: > > I didn't think people still buy AT cases, but this one (without > > power supply) went for $46.52 (I have this exact case in a p2-400 > > system for old games). Just pointing this out because even some > > common 486-Pentium PC era stuff has some value if it was of good > > quality. As time goes on cases get cheaper in quality, at least > > from what I have seen. > > Somewhat correct, in that era of AT stuff (88 to 96) quality is all > over the map and decent stuff is hard to find till online ordering > got more plentiful around 97. > > That case with PSU (has to, was about 100 to 120 new back then). > Warning: there were junk clones of those. > > Keep in mind, I've been there in that era and quickly discovered > quality is requirement for generic peecees. > > Today, the decent cases with good quality still cost about the same > still. The junkie cases still cost below 80. I'd have to disagree. The case I've got on this machine is from 2000 or so, and cost a whopping $40. It's about the nicest cases I've ever worked with... including drive mounting "rails" that don't require the use of screws, and snap together front/side panels that also don't require a single screw to be turned. The only things screwed down are the CPU fan, power supply, motherboard and I/O cards... It's even a non-name brand case; the only trouble I've had with it is that it's not really designed for a full-sized ATX mobo and required me to abandon the bottom of the 3 "external" 5.25" drive bays in order to use this dual-proc Socket-A ASUS motherboard in it. :) It doesn't take a lot of money to get a good case - I'd just recommend you find one you like before you buy it. Of course, I haven't bought a case without a computer in it since I bought this one, either. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From ekklein at pacbell.net Sun Feb 1 22:28:27 2004 From: ekklein at pacbell.net (Erik S. Klein) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: This isn't even close to sane Message-ID: <0f2201c3e945$0167c920$947ba8c0@p933> Maybe it's just me, but eBay has been getting more and more crazy. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=3583338499 Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum From teoz at neo.rr.com Sun Feb 1 22:44:14 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: This isn't even close to sane References: <0f2201c3e945$0167c920$947ba8c0@p933> Message-ID: <010101c3e947$358ae230$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik S. Klein" To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: This isn't even close to sane > Maybe it's just me, but eBay has been getting more and more crazy. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=3583338499 > > > > Erik Klein > I guess if your going to spenk a few $$$$ on the machine you might want the magazine that showed it on the cover. Somewhere somebody is going to mount the magazine on the wall behind his glass enclosed Altair 8800. I am not really surprised. People first spend allot for the hardware, then they go after original manuals, original software, and finally posters or magazines talking about the machine (the real hardcore go after schematics and training videos). The thing only started at $1 and had 19 bids so at least 2 people wanted it bad. From teoz at neo.rr.com Sun Feb 1 22:52:38 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Enlight case References: <20040202040836.LIRP23158.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@duron> Message-ID: <010801c3e948$61e7bc80$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Enlight case > > I didn't think people still buy AT cases, but this one (without > > power supply) went for $46.52 (I have this exact case in a p2-400 > > system for old games). Just pointing this out because even some > > common 486-Pentium PC era stuff has some value if it was of good > > quality. As time goes on cases get cheaper in quality, at least from > > what I have seen. > > > > Somewhat correct, in that era of AT stuff (88 to 96) quality is all > over the map and decent stuff is hard to find till online ordering > got more plentiful around 97. > > That case with PSU (has to, was about 100 to 120 new back then). > Warning: there were junk clones of those. > > Keep in mind, I've been there in that era and quickly discovered > quality is requirement for generic peecees. > > Today, the decent cases with good quality still cost about the same > still. The junkie cases still cost below 80. > > Cheers, > > Wizard > I still have 3 enlight cases of that era in use, you can stack a huge monitor on the desktop version without worrying about it caving in. I have 2 full tower Inwin Q500 atx cases that cost a little under $80 that are built like tanks with thick quality metal that fits together perfectly and a smaller midtower for $50 or so same quality. I don't mind a few screws to hold the side panels on. The cases under $30 are the crapiest I ever seen and wouldn't use one. From donm at cts.com Sun Feb 1 23:00:03 2004 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: OT: PeeCee cases (was Re: Enlight case) In-Reply-To: <200402012328.29012.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > On Sunday 01 February 2004 18:10, jpero@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > I didn't think people still buy AT cases, but this one (without > > > power supply) went for $46.52 (I have this exact case in a p2-400 > > > system for old games). Just pointing this out because even some > > > common 486-Pentium PC era stuff has some value if it was of good > > > quality. As time goes on cases get cheaper in quality, at least > > > from what I have seen. > > > > Somewhat correct, in that era of AT stuff (88 to 96) quality is all > > over the map and decent stuff is hard to find till online ordering > > got more plentiful around 97. > > > > That case with PSU (has to, was about 100 to 120 new back then). > > Warning: there were junk clones of those. > > > > Keep in mind, I've been there in that era and quickly discovered > > quality is requirement for generic peecees. > > > > Today, the decent cases with good quality still cost about the same > > still. The junkie cases still cost below 80. > > I'd have to disagree. The case I've got on this machine is from 2000 or > so, and cost a whopping $40. It's about the nicest cases I've ever > worked with... including drive mounting "rails" that don't require the > use of screws, and snap together front/side panels that also don't > require a single screw to be turned. The only things screwed down are > the CPU fan, power supply, motherboard and I/O cards... It's even a > non-name brand case; the only trouble I've had with it is that it's not > really designed for a full-sized ATX mobo and required me to abandon > the bottom of the 3 "external" 5.25" drive bays in order to use this > dual-proc Socket-A ASUS motherboard in it. :) Please explain to me what "external" 5.25" drive bays are. Seems like if they are external they are not part of the case. - don > > It doesn't take a lot of money to get a good case - I'd just recommend > you find one you like before you buy it. Of course, I haven't bought a > case without a computer in it since I bought this one, either. > > Pat > -- > Purdue University ITAP/RCS > Information Technology at Purdue > Research Computing and Storage > http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ > From teoz at neo.rr.com Sun Feb 1 23:11:21 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: OT: PeeCee cases (was Re: Enlight case) References: Message-ID: <012901c3e94a$ff9432e0$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Maslin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:00 AM Subject: Re: OT: PeeCee cases (was Re: Enlight case) > Please explain to me what "external" 5.25" drive bays are. Seems > like if they are external they are not part of the case. > > - don External meaning you can put a drive that needs to have access to the outside of the case (cdrom, jazz drive, zip, dat, cdrw, etc). There used to be 5.25" IDE drives (Bigfoot drives by quantum) that would be put in the internal drive bays. From pat at computer-refuge.org Sun Feb 1 23:17:48 2004 From: pat at computer-refuge.org (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: OT: PeeCee cases (was Re: Enlight case) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402020017.48233.pat@computer-refuge.org> On Monday 02 February 2004 00:00, Don Maslin wrote: > On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > > On Sunday 01 February 2004 18:10, jpero@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > > I didn't think people still buy AT cases, but this one (without > > > > power supply) went for $46.52 (I have this exact case in a > > > > p2-400 system for old games). Just pointing this out because > > > > even some common 486-Pentium PC era stuff has some value if it > > > > was of good quality. As time goes on cases get cheaper in > > > > quality, at least from what I have seen. > > > > > > Somewhat correct, in that era of AT stuff (88 to 96) quality is > > > all over the map and decent stuff is hard to find till online > > > ordering got more plentiful around 97. > > > > > > That case with PSU (has to, was about 100 to 120 new back then). > > > Warning: there were junk clones of those. > > > > > > Keep in mind, I've been there in that era and quickly discovered > > > quality is requirement for generic peecees. > > > > > > Today, the decent cases with good quality still cost about the > > > same still. The junkie cases still cost below 80. > > > > I'd have to disagree. The case I've got on this machine is from > > 2000 or so, and cost a whopping $40. It's about the nicest cases > > I've ever worked with... including drive mounting "rails" that > > don't require the use of screws, and snap together front/side > > panels that also don't require a single screw to be turned. The > > only things screwed down are the CPU fan, power supply, motherboard > > and I/O cards... It's even a non-name brand case; the only trouble > > I've had with it is that it's not really designed for a full-sized > > ATX mobo and required me to abandon the bottom of the 3 "external" > > 5.25" drive bays in order to use this dual-proc Socket-A ASUS > > motherboard in it. :) > > Please explain to me what "external" 5.25" drive bays are. Seems > like if they are external they are not part of the case. > > - don Umm, I mean drive bays that open to the outside of the case, ie. for CD-ROM or floppy drives. "Internal" bays would be ones like hard drive bays that don't have an opening to the outside of the case. From what I've seen, it's a fairly standard terminology amoung cases. Of course, it's not something I follow much. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From ggs at shiresoft.com Sun Feb 1 23:45:08 2004 From: ggs at shiresoft.com (Guy Sotomayor) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Need RT-11 on RX02 In-Reply-To: <1075569703.2797.5.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040129182853.03644ec0@mail.comcast.net> <1075569703.2797.5.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> Message-ID: <1075700707.2817.40.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> Well, it took almost the entire weekend to get the floppy images over to my laptop. I had to get 2 9 track tape drives working (at the same time). What I have is 6 512512 byte (1001 sectors) images of the floppies. This doesn't seem quite right to me and simh didn't want to boot from it. Also if I boot RT from a simulated disk, RT doesn't like the directory (on the floppy). I unfortunately don't have a bootable RT pack for my 11/45 so I can't try it out on real hardware (and have *never* been able to boot from floppy on my 11's). The transfer involved the following: floppy --> files on 11/45 --> tape --> files on laptop I used the following to get the floppy images: dd if=/dev/rrx2 of=/tmp/rt11.n n was the # of the diskette I then tar'd up the directory and put it out on the TU80. I then put the tape in TSZ07 on one of my office machines and then copied the files over to my laptop. The only step I'm not sure about is the original "dd", but it seemed the most reasonable to me. I didn't notice a difference if I used the block device rather than the raw one (ie /dev/rx2 vs rrx2). I don't know if simh is expecting anything different in terms of image for the floppy. I'll continue working on it for a bit (but at a slower pace). I needed to do most of this anyway. I now have a tape of BSD 2 which I can put onto my unix v7m so that's progress (I've even verified that I can read the BSD tape!). Soon I'll be able to use vi on my 11 (no more ed)! On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 09:21, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > > I have a complete set of v5.1 (I think) DEC RX02 floppies (ie the > distribution diskettes). I haven't tried them out yet to see if they're > any good. > > My plan this weekend is to use my 11/45 running Unix V7 to copy off > images. If I don't get any errors, I was going to copy them off to my > laptop and then try booting them under an emulator to see if the > contents are any good. > > If they are, I can do either of the following: > 1. e-mail you a complete set of RX02 images (free) > 2. make a set of RX02 floppies and mail them to you (something for > the floppies and shipping). > > I'll let you know later this weekend if I was successful in making > (useful) images. -- TTFN - Guy From donm at cts.com Mon Feb 2 00:02:35 2004 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: OT: PeeCee cases (was Re: Enlight case) In-Reply-To: <012901c3e94a$ff9432e0$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Maslin" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: OT: PeeCee cases (was Re: Enlight case) > > > > Please explain to me what "external" 5.25" drive bays are. Seems > > like if they are external they are not part of the case. > > > > - don > > External meaning you can put a drive that needs to have access to the > outside of the case (cdrom, jazz drive, zip, dat, cdrw, etc). > There used to be 5.25" IDE drives (Bigfoot drives by quantum) that would be > put in the internal drive bays. Gotcha! Though my inclination would be to differentiate "internal" drives from others. Guess I've been around too long. - don From doc at mdrconsult.com Mon Feb 2 00:52:27 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Need RT-11 on RX02 In-Reply-To: <1075700707.2817.40.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040129182853.03644ec0@mail.comcast.net> <1075569703.2797.5.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <1075700707.2817.40.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> Message-ID: <5D085742-554C-11D8-9459-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 1, 2004, at 11:45 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > Well, it took almost the entire weekend to get the floppy images over > to > my laptop. I had to get 2 9 track tape drives working (at the same > time). > > I used the following to get the floppy images: > dd if=/dev/rrx2 of=/tmp/rt11.n > > n was the # of the diskette If I recall correctly, the RX02 is a 256-byte block. Maybe you need to add "ibs=256 obs=256" to the dd command. Also, if you have a Linux or *BSD system you can attach to the /45's serial console, you can image the RT-11 diskettes straight to the PC disk with vtserver's built-in "copy" function. I've used it to duplicate a bootable BRUSYS floppy on the 11/84. Doc From cswiger at widomaker.com Sun Feb 1 17:49:13 2004 From: cswiger at widomaker.com (Chuck Swiger) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20040201184037.01d2fdf0@wilma.widomaker.com> Gang - I finally found an official serialized copy of "SCELBAL A high Level Language for the 8008", plus Wadsworth "Machine Language Programming for the 8008", plus Scelbi "Galaxy Game for the 8008/8080", "First Book of Games for the 8008/8080", "Monitor for 8080" and "Editor for 8080". The bad news is they're in a library so all I can do is check them out, scan, and return, according to the lady at the counter. Still, there must be some way I can purchase books that haven't been checked out in over 20 years from an Institute of Technology library. --Chuck From esharpe at uswest.net Mon Feb 2 02:31:11 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Big eBay bux for Comdyna hybrid References: Message-ID: <000b01c3e966$e9ff8940$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> why wait? there may be someone sad they missed out on the one that sold and would just love to buy yours... ed sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Donzelli" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Big eBay bux for Comdyna hybrid > > $1,400 bux, to be exact - which was the 'Buy-It-Now' price, that option > > was exercised. > > > > Ahem. > > %^&$. I was just goin to put one on Ebay. I suppose I should wait > now... > > William Donzelli > aw288@osfn.org > > From kurtk7 at visi.com Mon Feb 2 05:55:35 2004 From: kurtk7 at visi.com (kurtk7@visi.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Big eBay bux for Comdyna hybrid In-Reply-To: <000b01c3e966$e9ff8940$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> References: <000b01c3e966$e9ff8940$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <1075722935.401e3ab745ee7@my.visi.com> Thanks for pointing out that auction, I had completely missed that one. Hmm, its definitely impressive, but checking the bid history, it seems the normal going rate for this topping out at $600. I don't know much about the systems, so I did a search, and found that The Comdyna company is still in business http://www.comdyna.com/ and currently offering a GP-6 and GP-10S music analogue systems. I emailed the site asking for historical information on their product line. If I find out anything, I will post it out. Kurt > why wait? there may be someone sad they missed out on the one that sold and > would just love to buy yours... > > ed sharpe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Donzelli" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: Big eBay bux for Comdyna hybrid > > > > > $1,400 bux, to be exact - which was the 'Buy-It-Now' price, that option > > > was exercised. > > > > > > Ahem. > > > > %^&$. I was just goin to put one on Ebay. I suppose I should wait > > now... > > > > William Donzelli > > aw288@osfn.org > > > > From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 06:43:52 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: This isn't even close to sane In-Reply-To: <0f2201c3e945$0167c920$947ba8c0@p933> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Erik S. Klein wrote: > Maybe it's just me, but eBay has been getting more and more crazy. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=3583338499 It looks like the nerds are making money again. P.S. Fix your Reply-To setting. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From dickset at amanda.spole.gov Mon Feb 2 07:32:24 2004 From: dickset at amanda.spole.gov (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Wow, the "killer POKE" works! (Commodore PET 2001-8) In-Reply-To: <20040126183858.82465.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040126083312.GB30246@bos7.spole.gov> <20040126183858.82465.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040202133224.GB21979@bos7.spole.gov> On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:38:58AM -0800, steven wrote: > Ethan, > Are you really at the south pole? Yes. > Can I come and visit? If you have $25,000 you can book a tourist flight. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 02-Feb-2004 13:30 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -31.7 F (-35.4 C) Windchill -56.3 F (-49.1 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 7.7 kts Grid 078 Barometer 687.8 mb (10333. ft) Ethan.Dicks@amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html From dickset at amanda.spole.gov Mon Feb 2 07:57:52 2004 From: dickset at amanda.spole.gov (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: RX8E printset? In-Reply-To: <200401282101.i0SL1bJA023187@spies.com> References: <200401282101.i0SL1bJA023187@spies.com> Message-ID: <20040202135752.GC21979@bos7.spole.gov> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 01:01:37PM -0800, Al Kossow wrote: > > "Diagrams for an Implementation on a TC08 Backplance" > > I guess TC08s are common enough in Europe that you can > strip 'em to build floppy controllers. >From following the discussion from the creator, he didn't strip the TC08. The RX8E goes in an unused slot and his -8/i has *both* DECtape and floppy. I do not have a TC08 :-( I do have a TC11 and a TD8E, though. I was looking at this with an eye for building an RX8L from scratch (I have a BM08 on my -8/L for a total of 12K, but I doubt I could make the floppy interface fit in an -8/L box, even if there were an open spot. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 02-Feb-2004 13:50 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -32.1 F (-35.6 C) Windchill -54.2 F (-47.9 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 7.1 kts Grid 070 Barometer 687.6 mb (10341. ft) Ethan.Dicks@amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 08:14:03 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Commodore 128 with software and RUN magazines Message-ID: I don't know what the deal is here but it looks like an exchange of money might be required. See below. The Intel Xeon Master awaits your inquiry. Reply-to: Intelxeonmaster@hotmail.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:49:23 -0800 From: TiA To: vcf@vintage.org Subject: Iv got an old commador and all the software and acessories... I'v got an old Commadore 128D system, keyboard, and screen with alot of cool software, a few accessories, and tons of RUN, and Commadore magazines. PLEASE!!! If you are intrested in this stuff, please give me an email back at Intelxeonmaster@hotmail.com or call me 8:00 AM - 8:00 PM at (516) 864-9203... Thanx, David Whitcomb. From jcwren at jcwren.com Mon Feb 2 08:23:00 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Wow, the "killer POKE" works! (Commodore PET 2001-8) In-Reply-To: <20040202133224.GB21979@bos7.spole.gov> References: <20040126083312.GB30246@bos7.spole.gov> <20040126183858.82465.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> <20040202133224.GB21979@bos7.spole.gov> Message-ID: <401E5D44.9070101@jcwren.com> Ethan Dicks wrote: >On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:38:58AM -0800, steven wrote: > > >>Ethan, >>Are you really at the south pole? >> >> > >Yes. > > > >>Can I come and visit? >> >> > >If you have $25,000 you can book a tourist flight. > >-ethan > > > If you plan on flying your own plane, be sure to pack enough fuel for the return flight. --jc From gkicomputers at yahoo.com Mon Feb 2 09:08:25 2004 From: gkicomputers at yahoo.com (steve) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: This isn't even close to sane In-Reply-To: <0f2201c3e945$0167c920$947ba8c0@p933> Message-ID: <20040202150825.79169.qmail@web12407.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Erik S. Klein" wrote: > Maybe it's just me, but eBay has been getting more > and more crazy. > I think ebay is getting more crazy, I'm like 0 for 15 on my last 15 auction bids (mostly things under $50), and normally I don't bother bidding on something unless I feel my bid has a good chance of winning (I'm not one of those guys that bids, say $9.87 for an Altair.... who are those people anyway??) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From philpem at dsl.pipex.com Mon Feb 2 03:04:47 2004 From: philpem at dsl.pipex.com (Philip Pemberton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: This isn't even close to sane In-Reply-To: <010101c3e947$358ae230$0500fea9@game> References: <0f2201c3e945$0167c920$947ba8c0@p933> <010101c3e947$358ae230$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: In message <010101c3e947$358ae230$0500fea9@game> you wrote: > I am not really surprised. People first spend allot for the hardware, then > they go after original manuals, original software, and finally posters or > magazines talking about the machine (the real hardcore go after schematics > and training videos). Actually, I tend to start with the machine, then I usually go after technical documentation and finish off with operation manuals and the like. The only exception I've made thus far was for my Tek oscilloscope - the service manual includes a copy of the operator's manual. I'd still like copies of the Popular Electronics magazines that included the Scopewriter, the COSMAC ELF and the add-ons and software for the ELF. Then there's the ten or so Maplin "Electronics: The Maplin Magazine" magazines I need to complete my - ahem - "collection". I've already got every single Everyday Practical Electronics magazine from November 1997 onwards. Later. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem@dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, 10BaseT Ethernet, 2-slice, http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 09:41:48 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Southpole (was Re: Wow, the "killer POKE" works! (Commodore PET 2001-8)) In-Reply-To: <401E5D44.9070101@jcwren.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, J.C. Wren wrote: > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:38:58AM -0800, steven wrote: > > > > > >>Ethan, > >>Are you really at the south pole? > >> > >> > > > >Yes. > > > > > > > >>Can I come and visit? > >> > >> > > > >If you have $25,000 you can book a tourist flight. > > > >-ethan > > > > > > > If you plan on flying your own plane, be sure to pack enough fuel for > the return flight. And bring along an extra passenger or two for food in case you go down in the middle of nowhere. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From jpl15 at panix.com Mon Feb 2 09:54:28 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Southpole (was Re: Wow, the "killer POKE" works! (Commodore PET 2001-8)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > And bring along an extra passenger or two for food in case you go down in > the middle of nowhere. > Like I80 between Auburn and Truckee, for example. At least you could get a pass named after you... ;} Cheers John From jcwren at jcwren.com Mon Feb 2 10:06:59 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Southpole (was Re: Wow, the "killer POKE" works! (Commodore PET 2001-8)) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401E75A3.3010103@jcwren.com> Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, J.C. Wren wrote: > > > >>Ethan Dicks wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:38:58AM -0800, steven wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ethan, >>>>Are you really at the south pole? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Yes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Can I come and visit? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>If you have $25,000 you can book a tourist flight. >>> >>>-ethan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>If you plan on flying your own plane, be sure to pack enough fuel for >>the return flight. >> >> > >And bring along an extra passenger or two for food in case you go down in >the middle of nowhere. > > > "Donner, party of 150 now boarding! Excuse me? Yes sir, your special meals request was loaded earlier." --jc From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 10:23:14 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Southpole (was Re: Wow, the "killer POKE" works! (Commodore PET 2001-8)) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, John Lawson wrote: > > And bring along an extra passenger or two for food in case you go down in > > the middle of nowhere. > > Like I80 between Auburn and Truckee, for example. At least you could get > a pass named after you... Frankly, I think they should've named that spot "Dumbshit Pass". -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 10:24:05 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Southpole (was Re: Wow, the "killer POKE" works! (Commodore PET 2001-8)) In-Reply-To: <401E75A3.3010103@jcwren.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, J.C. Wren wrote: > >>If you plan on flying your own plane, be sure to pack enough fuel for > >>the return flight. > >> > >> > > > >And bring along an extra passenger or two for food in case you go down in > >the middle of nowhere. > > > > > > > "Donner, party of 150 now boarding! Excuse me? Yes sir, your special > meals request was loaded earlier." ...in seat 3A. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From lyosnorezel at yahoo.com Mon Feb 2 10:48:24 2004 From: lyosnorezel at yahoo.com (Lyos Norezel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20040201184037.01d2fdf0@wilma.widomaker.com> Message-ID: <20040202164824.55577.qmail@web41703.mail.yahoo.com> Yes... there is... now it's not very honest but it'll get ya the books. If you think the price listed in the covers of the books is fair then here is what you do. Go to the library and tell them you've lost the books. They will tell you the price of the books and ask if you want to pat for them now or wait until the books are due to give you more time to find them. Pay for the books and walk out... owner of the books. Another option (less likely to work) is to ask them if you can purchase the books. Most times though they will say no. Lyos Gemini Norezel Chuck Swiger wrote: The bad news is they're in a library so all I can do is check them out, scan, and return, according to the lady at the counter. Still, there must be some way I can purchase books that haven't been checked out in over 20 years from an Institute of Technology library. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 11:38:57 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: New vintage video gaming auction site Message-ID: In light of the recent discussion about getting ripped off at eBay with video game auctions, I thought I'd pass along this press release I just got about a new videogame marketplace called Bidiots! http://www.bidiots.com/pressreleases.asp The site looks very promising, with some neat stuff (mostly neo-retro) already having been listed. Check it out: http://www.bidiots.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 11:43:55 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books In-Reply-To: <20040202164824.55577.qmail@web41703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Lyos Norezel wrote: > Yes... there is... now it's not very honest but it'll get ya the books. > If you think the price listed in the covers of the books is fair then > here is what you do. Go to the library and tell them you've lost the > books. They will tell you the price of the books and ask if you want to > pat for them now or wait until the books are due to give you more time > to find them. Pay for the books and walk out... owner of the books. > Another option (less likely to work) is to ask them if you can purchase > the books. Most times though they will say no. I'm sorry, but do you have anything useful to contribute here? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From dogas at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 2 13:27:29 2004 From: dogas at bellsouth.net (Mike) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: $20 cosmac settles in to new home. was: more COSMAC stuff References: <3.0.6.32.20040111183141.00806df0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <1073941794.2026.16.camel@dhcp-250047> Message-ID: <00c401c3e9c2$99fe6860$b762d6d1@DOMAIN> From: Tom Jennings > I have an INFINITE CORP. Model UC1800 COSMAC "demo machine", quite used, > but complete and it seems to work as far as I can tell. I posted to this > list about it some time ago re: identifying it, but no replies. I have > no documentation. It seems to respond to hex keypad entries, so likely > it's working. > > First $20 takes it; I paid $10 for it and I'll pay to pack and ship it. > > http://wps.com/temp/dscf1898.jpg > http://wps.com/temp/dscf1899.jpg > I just wanted to thank the rest of the list for being a little slower than me that particular day. ;) She's home now and sends her love (Q - bit) to all. Snapped a few pics of nest and the parts... http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/u1800a.jpg http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/u1800b.jpg http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/u1800c.jpg http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/u1800d.jpg http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/u1800e.jpg http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/o/dogas/u1800f.jpg It's a wonderful system. Thanks again Tom, and everyone else.. I've got a cosmac site somewhere that can stand a bunch of updating now. ;) - Mike: dogas@bellsouth.net From silviorf at yahoo.com Mon Feb 2 14:10:39 2004 From: silviorf at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Silvio=20Finotti?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Looking for: Apple TURNOVER card, manuals, software.... In-Reply-To: <200402021802.i12I03ON020193@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20040202201039.94801.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks.... I looking for the software for the IBM ISA card: Apple Turnover. I know these card can read/write apple disks with an IMB-PC. I got the board, but don't have neither tha cable or the software.... Could anyone help please ??? Many thanks, Silvio Finotti ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! GeoCities: 15MB de espa?o gr?tis para criar seu web site! http://br.geocities.yahoo.com/ From geoffreythomas at onetel.net.uk Mon Feb 2 14:14:49 2004 From: geoffreythomas at onetel.net.uk (Geoffrey Thomas) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org> <401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com><1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> <401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Williams" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg That makes more sense, the nice mr. Norton must of taken it away., > Dan Sorry to nitpick , but I've seen this on so many posts now , it should be - " the nice mr. Norton must HAVE taken it away " . It's the curse of the modern world - a homonym - all the newspapers do it e.g. - " Tow the line " instead of " Toe the line " etc. It's all down to people not reading enough books. This is not a nasty post but it really does get me going , another whisky and I'll be fine. Keep smiling (: ^ } . Geoff. From aw288 at osfn.org Mon Feb 2 14:45:39 2004 From: aw288 at osfn.org (William Donzelli) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: This isn't even close to sane In-Reply-To: <20040202150825.79169.qmail@web12407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > (I'm > not one of those guys that bids, say $9.87 for an > Altair.... who are those people anyway??) People do this for two reasons: 1) Sometimes (rarely), it works. I have done it, and have really made some decent steals (not Altairs, however). If the seller doesn't promote the item well (mistakes, bad descriptions, typos, etc.), tough cheese. 2) Quite a few people do not use My Ebay, so to track auctions, they put in token bids. William Donzelli aw288@osfn.org From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 14:53:43 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: OT: Linguisitc pet peeves (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) In-Reply-To: <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote: > It's the curse of the modern world - a homonym - all the newspapers do it > e.g. - " Tow the line " instead of " Toe the line " etc. It's all down to > people not reading enough books. Yeah, and I admire those people who can "wreck havoc" rather than wreaking it. This all just points to our declining educational system. Remember, those are the faux pas' that manage to get past the editors. It must be horrific what the editors actually get from these up & coming "journalists", not to mention what the computer's spell checker might have to deal with. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From teoz at neo.rr.com Mon Feb 2 14:57:36 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org> <401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com> <1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> <401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> Message-ID: <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoffrey Thomas" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Williams" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg > > > That makes more sense, the nice mr. Norton must of taken it away., > > Dan > > Sorry to nitpick , but I've seen this on so many posts now , it should be - > > " the nice mr. Norton must HAVE taken it away " . > > It's the curse of the modern world - a homonym - all the newspapers do it > e.g. - " Tow the line " instead of " Toe the line " etc. It's all down to > people not reading enough books. > This is not a nasty post but it really does get me going , another whisky > and I'll be fine. > Keep smiling (: ^ } . > > Geoff. > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to correct grammar in posts? Unlike in programming where a decimal point in the wrong place means something completely different , you can misspell a word and the target audience still knows exactly what your talking about. The English language is full of words bastardized by the locals to communicate with whatever society conquered England at the time (Vikings, Normans, etc). The language and spelling changes slightly every year and can be used to figure out what society and era the text came from (I bet bootyliscious is in the dictionary by now). From jpl15 at panix.com Mon Feb 2 15:01:29 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: OT: Linguisitc pet peeves (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > This all just points to our declining educational system. Remember, those > are the faux pas' that manage to get past the editors. It must be ^^^^^^^^ fauxs pas > horrific what the editors actually get from these up & coming ^^^^^^^^^^ up-and-coming > "journalists", not to mention what the computer's spell checker might have > to deal with. > Well, maybe if they had the right carthridge in it.... Cheerz JH0N D00D > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > > From geoffreythomas at onetel.net.uk Mon Feb 2 15:02:56 2004 From: geoffreythomas at onetel.net.uk (Geoffrey Thomas) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:04 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org><401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com><1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain><401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com><02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <035601c3e9cf$ef6854c0$bd534ed5@geoff> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teo Zenios" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to correct > grammar in posts? Unlike in programming where a decimal point in the wrong > place means something completely different , you can misspell a word and the > target audience still knows exactly what your talking about. The English > language is full of words bastardized by the locals to communicate with > whatever society conquered England at the time (Vikings, Normans, etc). The > language and spelling changes slightly every year and can be used to figure > out what society and era the text came from (I bet bootyliscious is in the > dictionary by now). Again , I have to apologise , but I just happen to be into logic - in a small way ! and " must of " does not compute in that context. Just trying to be helpful. (:^{ Geoff. From jpl15 at panix.com Mon Feb 2 15:04:31 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org> <401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com> <1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> <401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to correct > grammar in posts? Unlike in programming where a decimal point in the wrong > place means something completely different , you can misspell a word and the > target audience still knows exactly what your talking about. The English ^^^^ you're > language is full of words bastardized by the locals to communicate with chz jhn BIG PS: One kin only hope that Y'all knows I'm Jokin'!! From jwest at classiccmp.org Mon Feb 2 15:15:26 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org><401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com><1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain><401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff><000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <01c401c3e9d1$addbb680$033310ac@kwcorp.com> > > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to correct > > grammar in posts? Because in real life, just like programming in COBOL, missing a period is a very bad thing. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From teoz at neo.rr.com Mon Feb 2 15:21:08 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org> <401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com> <1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> <401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <005501c3e9d2$79cc9340$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lawson" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg > > > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > > > > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to correct > > grammar in posts? Unlike in programming where a decimal point in the wrong > > place means something completely different , you can misspell a word and the > > target audience still knows exactly what your talking about. The English > ^^^^ > > you're > > > > > language is full of words bastardized by the locals to communicate with > > > > > > > > chz > jhn > > > > BIG PS: One kin only hope that Y'all knows I'm Jokin'!! > I knew I would get a correction or two since math and science were more my specialty in school and English class put me to sleep. Anyway I just find it amusing that there can be a heated debate or argument going on either in a newsgroup or mailinglist and somebody will jump in to correct grammar or spelling with nothing useful to say about the topic being discussed. From jcwren at jcwren.com Mon Feb 2 15:29:27 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: OT: Linguisitc pet peeves (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401EC137.8070509@jcwren.com> John Lawson wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >> This all just points to our declining educational system. Remember, those >> are the faux pas' that manage to get past the editors. It must be > > ^^^^^^^^ > > fauxs pas > > > > >> horrific what the editors actually get from these up & coming > > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > up-and-coming > > > >> "journalists", not to mention what the computer's spell checker might >> have >> to deal with. >> > > Well, maybe if they had the right carthridge in it.... ^^^^^^^^ cartridge > > > > > > > Cheerz > > JH0N D00D > > > > >>-- >> >>Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org >> >>[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >>[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] >> >> >> >> From geoffreythomas at onetel.net.uk Mon Feb 2 15:27:15 2004 From: geoffreythomas at onetel.net.uk (Geoffrey Thomas) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: OT: Linguisitc pet peeves (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) References: Message-ID: <036701c3e9d3$54ab7580$bd534ed5@geoff> Now we're getting silly, words which are innately plural do not necessarily have a separate plural spelling in English. The plural of faux pas is - you've guessed it - faux pas. Have a look at the link below to discover what may have happened to the thought processes here. (: <) http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary/fauxs+pas Geoff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Lawson" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: Re: OT: Linguisitc pet peeves (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) > > > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > > > This all just points to our declining educational system. Remember, those > > are the faux pas' that manage to get past the editors. It must be > ^^^^^^^^ > > fauxs pas > Cheerz > > JH0N D00D From mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Mon Feb 2 15:21:35 2004 From: mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org> <401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com> <1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> <401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <200402022129.QAA10917@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> >> [..."of" vs "have", or more properly vs "'ve"...] > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to > correct grammar in posts? Well, speaking purely personally (ie, not for "people"), grammar and spelling mistakes bother me not so much in themselves as as evidence of sloppiness and/or carelessness. A few of the worst - such as confusing "its" and "it's", or "lose" and "loose" (which latter aren't even homonyms!), or treating "criteria" as a singular noun - I have found myself becoming sufficiently sensitized to that they grate on my eye, to mix a metaphor, and make the text significantly less pleasant (and marginally slower) to read. I do usually reserve on-list corrections for only the most egregious examples, though. :) Occasionally they can be amusing, as when someone knew "faux pas" from spoken speech, wanted to write it, and ended up writing "pho pa". Ever since, I've thought of that as the Vietnamese mistake, because that spelling looks very Vietnamese to me. :-) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From arcarlini at iee.org Mon Feb 2 15:36:23 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: OT: Linguisitc pet peeves (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c3e9d4$a3af7770$5b01a8c0@athlon> > fauxs pas Err ... > JH0N D00D "d00d" Shirley? -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From freddyboomboom at comcast.net Mon Feb 2 12:34:58 2004 From: freddyboomboom at comcast.net (Andrew Prince) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: HP JetDirect card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075746897.2045.2.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 20:10, John Lawson wrote: > JetDirect 600N Ethernet J3111A > > physical condition looks fine, otherwise unknown, free for the asking, > ship via USPS priority mail. > I know it was spoken for... But FYI: This is for the HP 4000, 5000, 8000, 8100, and their kin. Not for older Laserjets... There's also a note about it being Localtalk, but it may support other protocols as well... TTFN Andrew From doc at mdrconsult.com Mon Feb 2 15:54:10 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org> <401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com> <1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> <401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <553217DA-55CA-11D8-8C7F-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 2, 2004, at 2:57 PM, Teo Zenios wrote: > > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to > correct > grammar in posts? Unlike in programming where a decimal point in the > wrong > place means something completely different , you can misspell a word > and the > target audience still knows exactly what your talking about. The > English > language is full of words bastardized by the locals to communicate with > whatever society conquered England at the time (Vikings, Normans, > etc). The > language and spelling changes slightly every year and can be used to > figure > out what society and era the text came from (I bet bootyliscious is in > the > dictionary by now). BS. Nobody's correcting anything that's in the gray zone. Why do we "go out of our way" to correct abominable grammar, spelling, or the latest "Caps-don't-mean-shit-to-me-so-why-bother" attitude? Because it's like fingernails on a chalk board. Because I write technical documentation for a living and I know that, no matter what the lazy writer or correspondent wants to believe, it *does* matter. If nothing else, it makes the writer appear sloppy and uneducated. To the literate reader, even a minor mistake in spelling or punctuation causes a stop and check, costing time and irritation. For a person whose first language is not English, and there are many on this list, your claim that "the target audience knows exactly what your[0] talking about" is not a reasonable assumption at all. It's only your familiarity with idiom and correct usage that allows you to translate the mistakes easily. Mostly, to me, it's insulting. I go to some trouble to make sure that my writing and my correspondence are correctly proofed and sensible. I sort of expect the same behavior, especially in a group of ostensibly intelligent and educated technicians. A total absence, or random misuse, of capitals and punctuation not only negates any credibility the writer or poster might have had, and the post takes much, much longer to parse. I usually don't bother to try to read that sort of spew at all. Mostly I go to the trouble to correct consistent bad grammar or spelling because much of what I know I learned when somebody told me "Hey, did you know you're screwing that up?" If I can't take reasonable correction and learn from it, that pretty much defines me as an idiot. Doc, putting away the soapbox [0] Took all I had not to misquote that. From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 2 16:20:19 2004 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (Jules Richardson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org> <401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com> <1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> <401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <1075759612.390.398.camel@weka.localdomain> Ok, my take on this... > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to correct > grammar in posts? Unlike in programming where a decimal point in the wrong > place means something completely different , you can misspell a word and the > target audience still knows exactly what your talking about. Well it annoys me to see people who can't spell or use correct punctuation when using their first language. I'm not irritated at them, but at the school system which taught them, because if they've been through a reasonable schooling system then they should be using correct spelling and punctuation without even thinking. I also get annoyed at myself when I come back to read things that I've written and notice mistakes (I expect I've made a few in this post!) I suppose I like to take pride in my work, no matter what form it takes - and it's my own failing not to realise that when it comes to the written word, some others don't :-) > The English > language is full of words bastardized by the locals to communicate with > whatever society conquered England at the time (Vikings, Normans, etc). The > language and spelling changes slightly every year and can be used to figure > out what society and era the text came from Ahh, but aren't spelling changes due to foreign influences (meaning outside of community, not necessarily country) different from spelling changes through laziness or bad tuition? Plus, the former are more likely to be adopted by a smaller community first and then spread to a wider area, whilst the latter tend to be isolated and random occurances across a far wider area. As an example researching the use of 'thief' and 'theef' (a far older equivalent) will give you some useful data. Researching 'theif', a reasonably common modern-day error, will not likely yield anything useful as it will have roughly the same chance of occuring throughout the educated English-speaking world independant of location (yes there will be some discrepancies to that) Dialects are another matter; English and American English being good examples. It's amazing how many American English spellings are now becoming commonplace over here. > (I bet bootyliscious is in the dictionary by now). bootylicious in these parts, I believe ;) Joking aside, that is - as far as I know - a new word rather than something that's originated in a common mis-spelling... If anyone's got this far without falling asleep, the "Common Errors in English" page at http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/errors.html is an interesting resource for language nuts (although it should be "Common Errors in American English" - see 'ax', 'offense' etc.) Similarly, the World Wide Words page at http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles gives a nice history of some English words and how they have altered over the years, particularly due to overseas influences. Thus endeth the lesson... cheers Jules From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 16:08:31 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to correct > grammar in posts? Unlike in programming where a decimal point in the wrong Because we can and it makes us feel superior. > out what society and era the text came from (I bet bootyliscious is in the > dictionary by now). You spelt "bootylicious" wrong :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 16:12:51 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: OT: Linguisitc pet peeves (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, John Lawson wrote: > > This all just points to our declining educational system. Remember, those > > are the faux pas' that manage to get past the editors. It must be > ^^^^^^^^ > > fauxs pas Ha. We're both wrong. According to Merriam-Webster, the plural is also "faux pas". > > horrific what the editors actually get from these up & coming > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > up-and-coming It's called "abbreviation". That sqiggly doohickey on the keyboard ain't there for just nothin ya know. > > "journalists", not to mention what the computer's spell checker might have > > to deal with. > > > > Well, maybe if they had the right carthridge in it.... The preferred spelling for cool people! > I got your alacrity right here buddy! :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 16:15:00 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <005501c3e9d2$79cc9340$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > I knew I would get a correction or two since math and science were more my > specialty in school and English class put me to sleep. Anyway I just find it > amusing that there can be a heated debate or argument going on either in a > newsgroup or mailinglist and somebody will jump in to correct grammar or > spelling with nothing useful to say about the topic being discussed. Well, when the topic being discussed is pointless in itself, which is the bigger crime? Contributing to the pointless discussion or pointing out the spelling and grammatical errors in its constituent messages? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 16:15:32 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: OT: Linguisitc pet peeves (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) In-Reply-To: <401EC137.8070509@jcwren.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, J.C. Wren wrote: > > Well, maybe if they had the right carthridge in it.... > > ^^^^^^^^ > cartridge No no no! John has finally been trained properly and you go and try to ruin it! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From gordonjcp at gjcp.net Mon Feb 2 12:09:37 2004 From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Some things for sale . . . In-Reply-To: <4C49185A.03361773.0000EF7A@aol.com> References: <4C49185A.03361773.0000EF7A@aol.com> Message-ID: <1075744700.22859.25.camel@pluto> On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 18:31, MTPro@aol.com wrote: > Hi everyone, I have a few things I'd like to clear out if anyone interested would write me. Or later they will go on eBay and/or vintage.org MarketPlace. I have: > > a number of great old BYTEs, Creative Computing, Kilobaud, Sinclair, CoCo, Microcomputing, magazines, etc. > A very nice Amiga 1000 with keyboard, mouse, two Amiga monitors, external floppy, disks, etc. > Osborne 1 blue model, turns on and ready, but floppies need adjustment (have to check). > Epson QX10 with monitor, keyboard, box, software, manuals, etc. > Amstrad PPC640 (or 512, gotta check), works, but needs contrast adjusted. Might be interested in the Osborne 1. Where are you? Gordon. From teoz at neo.rr.com Mon Feb 2 16:23:29 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg References: Message-ID: <007c01c3e9db$2f2c2e00$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > > > What is the burning desire that makes people go out of their way to correct > > grammar in posts? Unlike in programming where a decimal point in the wrong > > Because we can and it makes us feel superior. > > > out what society and era the text came from (I bet bootyliscious is in the > > dictionary by now). > > You spelt "bootylicious" wrong :) > > -- > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bootyliscious is where I got the spelling from using google (don't believe everything on the web) http://www.geocities.com/destinyschildlyrics/survivor_lyrics/bootylicious.html spelled the way you mentioned from destiny childs album (the group that came up with the term). From dave at naffnet.org.uk Mon Feb 2 16:40:52 2004 From: dave at naffnet.org.uk (Dave Woodman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401ED1F4.2070903@naffnet.org.uk> Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >You spelt "bootylicious" wrong :) > Wrongly, surely? Cheers, Dave. From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 16:44:45 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <007c01c3e9db$2f2c2e00$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bootyliscious is where I got > the spelling from using google (don't believe everything on the web) Well, sorry to be truthful here, but the particular segment of the population from whence that word came would probably not know how to spell delicious either. > http://www.geocities.com/destinyschildlyrics/survivor_lyrics/bootylicious.html > spelled the way you mentioned from destiny childs album (the group that came > up with the term). Yes, the correct spelling (at least according to English rules). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From spectre at floodgap.com Mon Feb 2 17:04:25 2004 From: spectre at floodgap.com (Cameron Kaiser) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <401ED1F4.2070903@naffnet.org.uk> from Dave Woodman at "Feb 2, 4 10:40:52 pm" Message-ID: <200402022304.PAA33306@floodgap.com> > > You spelt "bootylicious" wrong :) > Wrongly, surely? Dat's wack. -- ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser@floodgap.com -- Funny, I don't remember being absent minded. ------------------------------- From teoz at neo.rr.com Mon Feb 2 17:06:33 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg References: <200401312248.i0VMmUOD003553@huey.classiccmp.org> <401C2EE5.90306@ntlworld.com> <1075590145.25176.4.camel@weka.localdomain> <401CE8E5.8040700@ntlworld.com> <02b001c3e9c9$3686ad40$bd534ed5@geoff> <000d01c3e9cf$3046e340$0500fea9@game> <553217DA-55CA-11D8-8C7F-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> Message-ID: <00a901c3e9e1$33887480$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doc Shipley" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg > > BS. Nobody's correcting anything that's in the gray zone. > > Why do we "go out of our way" to correct abominable grammar, > spelling, or the latest "Caps-don't-mean-shit-to-me-so-why-bother" > attitude? > > Because it's like fingernails on a chalk board. Because I write > technical documentation for a living and I know that, no matter what > the lazy writer or correspondent wants to believe, it *does* matter. > If nothing else, it makes the writer appear sloppy and uneducated. To > the literate reader, even a minor mistake in spelling or punctuation > causes a stop and check, costing time and irritation. > > For a person whose first language is not English, and there are many > on this list, your claim that "the target audience knows exactly what > your[0] talking about" is not a reasonable assumption at all. It's > only your familiarity with idiom and correct usage that allows you to > translate the mistakes easily. > > Mostly, to me, it's insulting. I go to some trouble to make sure > that my writing and my correspondence are correctly proofed and > sensible. I sort of expect the same behavior, especially in a group of > ostensibly intelligent and educated technicians. > > A total absence, or random misuse, of capitals and punctuation not > only negates any credibility the writer or poster might have had, and > the post takes much, much longer to parse. I usually don't bother to > try to read that sort of spew at all. > > Mostly I go to the trouble to correct consistent bad grammar or > spelling because much of what I know I learned when somebody told me > "Hey, did you know you're screwing that up?" If I can't take > reasonable correction and learn from it, that pretty much defines me as > an idiot. > > > Doc, putting away the soapbox > > [0] Took all I had not to misquote that. > > As time goes on and I type 95% of my correspondence instead of writing it to paper with pen I find my handwriting has grown worse then in my school days and I rely more on a spellchecker then proofreading. If I did writing for a living, or better yet proofread technical writing on a daily basis my skills probably would not have grown worse with time. Twenty years from now I would be embarrassed to read something I posted earlier that was technically incorrect and wouldn't worry too much about an obvious spelling mistake. I don't think topics posted on this mailinglist are going to be published, but people will be googling through it to get technical information. Judging from your reply if I would have written a book outlining the real origins of the universe you would quit reading it after you found the 3rd spelling or grammar mistake? Granted if I did print such a book I would have it proofread by experts in English grammar, but I feel that the knowledge your trying to convey is more important then the few easy to spot errors in grammar. In a perfect world everybody would have the same skills in everything, but that's not the way things are. I will take correct content over correct grammar anyday. From ohh at drizzle.com Mon Feb 2 17:23:01 2004 From: ohh at drizzle.com (O. Sharp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books In-Reply-To: <20040202164824.55577.qmail@web41703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Someone on the list, whose name I have chosen to remove, wrote (in part): > Yes... there is... now it's not very honest but it'll get ya the books. > If you think the price listed in the covers of the books is fair then > here is what you do. Go to the library and tell them you've lost the > books. [...] As someone who still actually _uses_ libraries for research, I can't even begin to express how barbaric I find this suggestion. "Not very honest"? Well, true, and if you don't have any qualms about slapping the face of _every other person_ who might want to do the same research for the rest of time... > Another option (less likely to work) is to ask them if you can purchase > the books. Most times though they will say no. But at least this is an approach that doesn't deprive you of your honor, your honesty or your soul. :) Many libraries also have annual or semi-annual public sales, of both donated books and (occasionally) old stock of their own which has been duplicated or outlived its public usefulness, so that's another method that wouldn't taint your hands and rob your fellow-collectors. :) Returning to Chuck Swiger's original message: > Still, there must be some way I can purchase books that haven't been > checked out in over 20 years from an Institute of Technology library. If you're only after the information, the copies the library suggested would probably be adequate. But there is something nice about having an actual, honest-to-God book in your hands. :) Have you tried looking for the books elsewhere? Half.com, abebooks.com, alibris.com, powells.com, allbookstores.com and even amazon.com are all good sources for various old technology volumes. I've had good luck with most of them at one time or another. ePain - er, eBay also works, if you're willing to wait long enough and have a big enough checkbook. (I hesitate suggesting them; but I have been able to find two hysterically rare nonfiction volumes there, so I guess I can't gripe. ) If you live somewhere with a good variety of used bookstores, too, it could be worth your while to drop by some of them and see if they might be on a forgotten shelf there as well. Good used bookstores are full of surprises. :) ...Aiya! That other poster's suggestion just strikes me as scummy and invidious. Every time I go to the library, look for a particular volume and have the catalog tell me it's "missing from collection", I'm going to think of that unnamed poster and mutter a curse. :/ ...And that'll be, on average, about three curses every time I research _any_thing... :( -O.- From cisin at xenosoft.com Mon Feb 2 17:47:07 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040202154311.M9610@newshell.lmi.net> > Yes... there is... now it's not very honest but it'll get ya the books. > If you think the price listed in the covers of the books is fair then > here is what you do. Go to the library and tell them you've lost the > books. So,... may I borrow your car? If I don't want to return it, I'll write a check for the bluebook value. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred MLIS From teoz at neo.rr.com Mon Feb 2 17:49:36 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books References: Message-ID: <00c301c3e9e7$36e8a7c0$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "O. Sharp" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: Re: SCELBAL, Scelbi books > > Someone on the list, whose name I have chosen to remove, wrote (in part): > > > Yes... there is... now it's not very honest but it'll get ya the books. > > If you think the price listed in the covers of the books is fair then > > here is what you do. Go to the library and tell them you've lost the > > books. [...] > > As someone who still actually _uses_ libraries for research, I can't even > begin to express how barbaric I find this suggestion. "Not very honest"? > Well, true, and if you don't have any qualms about slapping the face of > _every other person_ who might want to do the same research for the rest > of time... > > > Another option (less likely to work) is to ask them if you can purchase > > the books. Most times though they will say no. > > But at least this is an approach that doesn't deprive you of your honor, > your honesty or your soul. :) Many libraries also have annual or > semi-annual public sales, of both donated books and (occasionally) old > stock of their own which has been duplicated or outlived its public > usefulness, so that's another method that wouldn't taint your hands and > rob your fellow-collectors. :) > > Returning to Chuck Swiger's original message: > > > Still, there must be some way I can purchase books that haven't been > > checked out in over 20 years from an Institute of Technology library. > > If you're only after the information, the copies the library suggested > would probably be adequate. But there is something nice about having an > actual, honest-to-God book in your hands. :) Have you tried looking for > the books elsewhere? Half.com, abebooks.com, alibris.com, powells.com, > allbookstores.com and even amazon.com are all good sources for various > old technology volumes. I've had good luck with most of them at one time > or another. ePain - er, eBay also works, if you're willing to wait long > enough and have a big enough checkbook. (I hesitate suggesting them; but I > have been able to find two hysterically rare nonfiction volumes there, so > I guess I can't gripe. ) If you live somewhere with a good variety of > used bookstores, too, it could be worth your while to drop by some of them > and see if they might be on a forgotten shelf there as well. Good used > bookstores are full of surprises. :) > > ...Aiya! That other poster's suggestion just strikes me as scummy and > invidious. Every time I go to the library, look for a particular volume > and have the catalog tell me it's "missing from collection", I'm going to > think of that unnamed poster and mutter a curse. :/ > > ...And that'll be, on average, about three curses every time I research > _any_thing... :( > > -O.- > > > I agree people stealing from the library and paying back the original purchased price for a book long out of print (that cant be replaced) is VERY low in my opinion. If your looking for something technical and your local library doesn't have it try hitting your local college. The school I graduated from has an alumni program where for a few bucks a year you get access to the school library (among other things) just like you did when you were a student. I bet any donations would allow you to get the same privileges even if you never attended the school in question. Any college library will let you browse the books and magazines there, they just wont let you walk out with them unless your a student and have a card. And yes most libraries do have sales each year on books that are outdated or have been replaced with new editions. I have quite a few technical (engineering) books purchased for pennies on the dollar (from the old original price) from such sales. I find books printed in the 1930's (when people started hitting the theory of how allot of engineering things really worked like thermodynamics etc) offer a perfect start to understanding a technical subject because everything is spelled out step by step (including experiments and raw data) since its fairly new to the people of the time while new books (on old subjects) expect you to know allot about the subject, math, and theory they skim over to get to their point. From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 17:50:35 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <401ED1F4.2070903@naffnet.org.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Dave Woodman wrote: > Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > > >You spelt "bootylicious" wrong :) > > > Wrongly, surely? Not in Ebonics, yo. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 17:58:06 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <00a901c3e9e1$33887480$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > As time goes on and I type 95% of my correspondence instead of writing it to > paper with pen I find my handwriting has grown worse then in my school days > and I rely more on a spellchecker then proofreading. If I did writing for a > living, or better yet proofread technical writing on a daily basis my skills > probably would not have grown worse with time. I write exclusively on my computer and my writing has stayed the same (i.e. nigh impeccable!) > Twenty years from now I would be embarrassed to read something I posted > earlier that was technically incorrect and wouldn't worry too much about an > obvious spelling mistake. I don't think topics posted on this mailinglist > are going to be published, but people will be googling through it to get > technical information. Your messages ARE being published. It's called the WORLD WIDE WEB. What you write online stays around forever these days. > Judging from your reply if I would have written a book outlining the real > origins of the universe you would quit reading it after you found the 3rd > spelling or grammar mistake? I would. It doesn't bode well for the quality of the rest of the work and doesn't give me a good impression of the author. It could mean that the work was so bad that no reputable publisher would take it on, and so instead it was either self-published, and was not proofread, therefore further losing credibility, or the proofreader of the low budget publisher wasn't very good, which would further impugn the work. So, theoretically, I could pass over one of the most important scientific treatises of the century, but based on past experience reading poorly written works, I would doubt it. > Granted if I did print such a book I would have > it proofread by experts in English grammar, but I feel that the knowledge > your trying to convey is more important then the few easy to spot errors in > grammar. In a perfect world everybody would have the same skills in > everything, but that's not the way things are. I will take correct content > over correct grammar anyday. But how can you determine if the content is good if you can't decipher the text because the grammer is so poor? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From cisin at xenosoft.com Mon Feb 2 18:00:15 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040202155912.R9610@newshell.lmi.net> > You spelt "bootylicious" wrong :) Is there a RIGHT spellinq? From r_beaudry at hotmail.com Mon Feb 2 18:29:38 2004 From: r_beaudry at hotmail.com (Rich Beaudry) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: NEC APC III, anyone have one? Message-ID: Hello all, I just received a large lot of NEC APC III software and docs... Naturally, this means I need an NEC APC III to go with it :-). I know it's a not-quite-PC-compatible. Anyone have one they'd be willing to part with? I assume I'd need the keyboard and system unit. Is the video output some sort of standard, or would I need the monitor as well? Any help or hardware is appreciated.... For the list, I'm willing to make copies of manuals or software. Disks I can mail no problem, manuals will require you to pay my copying costs (all manuals are a significant number of pages). Also, I'd need ZIP codes or country to estimate shipping. One last note ... This is not super high priority for me (in fact, I haven't gotten back to everyone from my last round of stuff :-( ), so don't expect lightning speed out of me on copies. If you can wait, I'd much rather scan these (600dpi), and mail a CD-ROM. The software is as follows: - APC III System Checking Diskette v5.0 - MS-DOS System Diskette v2.11 Revision 1 - MS-DOS System Diskette v2.11 Revision 3 - MS-DOS System Diskette v2.11 Revision 4 - Digital Research Logo ((c) 1984, "REV 00") - MS GW-BASIC 2.01 - MS GW-BASIC Demonstration Diskette Version 1.0 - SLE* GW-BASIC and Utility - SLE MS-DOS System Diskette - Digital Research DR Draw (1983) - Digital research DR Draw Fonts (1983) - MS MASM 1.25 - MS-DOS BIOS Listing (5 disks, 1985) - GSX System Diskette (1984) rev 01 - GSX Drivers Diskette (1984) rev 00 - GSX System Diskette (1984) rev 03 - GSX Drivers Diskette (1984) rev 01 * - SLE=Software Library Expander -- Allowed NEC APC III to run "more programs". Part hardware, part software. Maybe some sort of PC-emulator?? Manuals are (I have multiple copies of most of these): - MS-DOS User's Guide - GW-BASIC User's Guide - MS-DOS Guide for the SLE - GW-BASIC Guide for the SLE - MASM Manual, Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 - DR Logo User's Reference Guide - Beginner's Guide to DR Logo - MS-DOS Programmer's Reference Manual (Includes supplement for APC III) - DR Draw User's Guide - GSX-86 User's Guide Thanks, Rich B. From teoz at neo.rr.com Mon Feb 2 18:42:24 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg References: Message-ID: <00e001c3e9ee$97d060d0$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg > I write exclusively on my computer and my writing has stayed the same > (i.e. nigh impeccable!) > Must be nice, I find that when your word processor has a spell checker and grammer checker you start to rely on it (you get lazy) while if your using paper and pen you tend to be more careful (and if your publishing something to be read by your peers your really carefull). Maybe its just me, I dont know. While everything you post on the net stays around for quite a while the probablility of somebody finding and actually reading something I posted here on how to get an MFM drive working on a P200 PC when they are looking up a patent I filed for process control are not very high. too many hits on a search engine are as bad as none at all. > But how can you determine if the content is good if you can't decipher the > text because the grammer is so poor? Most mistakes are obvious typos or wordprocessor screwups based on typos ("I walked down to the see" instead of sea), while sloppy it doesnt keep you from deciphering the content. If your reading an article that was aimed at people with a higher level of education then yourself your going to have problems even without grammar errors (some legal documents and medical reports come to mind). Then you have people who like to weave a string of grammatically correct worthless crap like 90% of the dotcom era websites did for what the company actually produced. I have read quite a few manuals for process controllers coming from japan that showed you what you needed to do to make then function, but were a pain to read because of the translation somebody did from japanese to english. > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival From dvcorbin at optonline.net Mon Feb 2 18:57:03 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <00e001c3e9ee$97d060d0$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: Teo, Please see.... http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=you%27re Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Teo Zenios Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 7:42 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg > I write exclusively on my computer and my writing has stayed the same > (i.e. nigh impeccable!) > Must be nice, I find that when your word processor has a spell checker and grammer checker you start to rely on it (you get lazy) while if your using paper and pen you tend to be more careful (and if your publishing something to be read by your peers your really carefull). Maybe its just me, I dont know. While everything you post on the net stays around for quite a while the probablility of somebody finding and actually reading something I posted here on how to get an MFM drive working on a P200 PC when they are looking up a patent I filed for process control are not very high. too many hits on a search engine are as bad as none at all. > But how can you determine if the content is good if you can't decipher the > text because the grammer is so poor? Most mistakes are obvious typos or wordprocessor screwups based on typos ("I walked down to the see" instead of sea), while sloppy it doesnt keep you from deciphering the content. If your reading an article that was aimed at people with a higher level of education then yourself your going to have problems even without grammar errors (some legal documents and medical reports come to mind). Then you have people who like to weave a string of grammatically correct worthless crap like 90% of the dotcom era websites did for what the company actually produced. I have read quite a few manuals for process controllers coming from japan that showed you what you needed to do to make then function, but were a pain to read because of the translation somebody did from japanese to english. > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Mon Feb 2 19:04:46 2004 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books Message-ID: <001301c3e9f1$b787db30$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Chuck - hold the phone - I've got the following SCELBI books in easily scannable form: - 8008 Editor Program - 8008 Assembler - Machine Language Programming for the 8008 - SCELBAL - SCELBI 8H User's Manual - 8080 Editor Program I also have the 6 issues of the SCELBAL update already in .pdf form. All this stuff is slowly finding it's way to Jim Kearney's new, improved, enlarged and expanded super-brite 8008 archive, along with some more info on Nat Wadsworth and the SCELBI computer. If there is a particular title you need access to, let me know and I can move it up in the queue; otherwise it will be a few months before this all gets to Jim If you want to scan "Galaxy Game for the 8008/8080", "First Book of Games for the 8008/8080", and "Monitor for 8080" that would be great! I hope that a heart-to-heart with the head librarian would get you the books - never heard of a library that didn't cull non-used material to make room for hot new stuff on the x86! Jack From allain at panix.com Mon Feb 2 19:18:15 2004 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg References: <00e001c3e9ee$97d060d0$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <018501c3e9f3$9bd5a320$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> I try to develop images of who people are in this little community based on what they write. When there's a lot of typos, grammar problems, voltage/current problems, attitude problems, honesty problems, sanity problems, or whatever I tend to try to guess more about the person. A lot of people on this list get judged to be 14 year-olds trying to save the bux* on computers by picking up free hardware. There's a core group of about ten or twenty people that get my utmost respect**, and the rest tend to keep quiet until something comes up where their comment can Add value. Thanks for that. John A. *intentional. **note: not necessarily judged by volume of a persons messages. From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 2 19:26:04 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: OT ramblings about lameness and stupidity (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) In-Reply-To: <00e001c3e9ee$97d060d0$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > > But how can you determine if the content is good if you can't decipher the > > text because the grammer is so poor? > > Most mistakes are obvious typos or wordprocessor screwups based on typos ("I > walked down to the see" instead of sea), while sloppy it doesnt keep you Yeah, but for us curmudgeons it's annoying and distracting. > from deciphering the content. If your reading an article that was aimed at > people with a higher level of education then yourself your going to have > problems even without grammar errors (some legal documents and medical > reports come to mind). Then you have people who like to weave a string of Well, first of all, if you can read and you know the basic rules of grammar, spelling, etc., then the rules apply to anything you read. So even if you don't comprehend the content of the words, you do know how to read them. Then you use a dictionary to try to determine just what it is you're reading. Second, the example you use is specious. If a legal or medical document is written with poor grammar and spelling, not only will it be less comprehensible, it'll be considered reprehensible by the greater practice! But more importantly, there's a major difference between a complicated and highly technical piece of writing and a poorly written document. The two don't compare. > grammatically correct worthless crap like 90% of the dotcom era websites did > for what the company actually produced. I have read quite a few manuals for > process controllers coming from japan that showed you what you needed to do > to make then function, but were a pain to read because of the translation > somebody did from japanese to english. Ah yes, Engrish. A totally different topic altogether. But at any rate, this proves the point: the grammar was probably poor (or nonsensical), and perhaps there was a spelling error or two or more (or a homonym), therefore clouding the intent of the meaning. See what we're getting at now? A misspelled word here and some poor grammar there does not compare to full blown Engrish, I would agree, but both are equally annoying. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Feb 2 19:29:45 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: NEC APC III, anyone have one? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040202202945.008d16c0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Hi Rich, I have an orginal model APC with the 8" floppy drives that looks like this . It has the built-in color monitor. Do you have anything for it? BTW it's one HEAVY brute! I'd hate to have to pay to ship it! Joe At 07:29 PM 2/2/04 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I just received a large lot of NEC APC III software and docs... Naturally, >this means I need an NEC APC III to go with it :-). I know it's a >not-quite-PC-compatible. Anyone have one they'd be willing to part with? I >assume I'd need the keyboard and system unit. Is the video output some sort >of standard, or would I need the monitor as well? Any help or hardware is >appreciated.... > >For the list, I'm willing to make copies of manuals or software. Disks I >can mail no problem, manuals will require you to pay my copying costs (all >manuals are a significant number of pages). Also, I'd need ZIP codes or >country to estimate shipping. One last note ... This is not super high >priority for me (in fact, I haven't gotten back to everyone from my last >round of stuff :-( ), so don't expect lightning speed out of me on copies. >If you can wait, I'd much rather scan these (600dpi), and mail a CD-ROM. > >The software is as follows: > >- APC III System Checking Diskette v5.0 >- MS-DOS System Diskette v2.11 Revision 1 >- MS-DOS System Diskette v2.11 Revision 3 >- MS-DOS System Diskette v2.11 Revision 4 >- Digital Research Logo ((c) 1984, "REV 00") >- MS GW-BASIC 2.01 >- MS GW-BASIC Demonstration Diskette Version 1.0 >- SLE* GW-BASIC and Utility >- SLE MS-DOS System Diskette >- Digital Research DR Draw (1983) >- Digital research DR Draw Fonts (1983) >- MS MASM 1.25 >- MS-DOS BIOS Listing (5 disks, 1985) >- GSX System Diskette (1984) rev 01 >- GSX Drivers Diskette (1984) rev 00 >- GSX System Diskette (1984) rev 03 >- GSX Drivers Diskette (1984) rev 01 > >* - SLE=Software Library Expander -- Allowed NEC APC III to run "more >programs". Part hardware, part software. Maybe some sort of PC-emulator?? > >Manuals are (I have multiple copies of most of these): > >- MS-DOS User's Guide >- GW-BASIC User's Guide >- MS-DOS Guide for the SLE >- GW-BASIC Guide for the SLE >- MASM Manual, Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 >- DR Logo User's Reference Guide >- Beginner's Guide to DR Logo >- MS-DOS Programmer's Reference Manual (Includes supplement for APC III) >- DR Draw User's Guide >- GSX-86 User's Guide > >Thanks, >Rich B. > From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Mon Feb 2 19:34:32 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books In-Reply-To: <001301c3e9f1$b787db30$1f6fa8c0@eths.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040202203432.008298b0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Jack, I have the following books if you want to scan them and add them to the collection. Sclebi's 8080 Galaxy Game Scelbi's 8080 Standard Editor Scelbi's 8080 Standard Assembler Joe At 07:04 PM 2/2/04 -0600, you wrote: >Chuck - hold the phone - I've got the following SCELBI books in easily >scannable form: > >- 8008 Editor Program >- 8008 Assembler >- Machine Language Programming for the 8008 >- SCELBAL >- SCELBI 8H User's Manual >- 8080 Editor Program > >I also have the 6 issues of the SCELBAL update already in .pdf form. > >All this stuff is slowly finding it's way to Jim Kearney's new, >improved, enlarged and expanded super-brite 8008 archive, along with >some more info on Nat Wadsworth and the SCELBI computer. If there is a >particular title you need access to, let me know and I can move it up in >the queue; otherwise it will be a few months before this all gets to Jim > >If you want to scan "Galaxy Game for the 8008/8080", "First Book of >Games for the >8008/8080", and "Monitor for 8080" that would be great! > >I hope that a heart-to-heart with the head librarian would get you the >books - never heard of a library that didn't cull non-used material to >make room for hot new stuff on the x86! > >Jack > > From teoz at neo.rr.com Mon Feb 2 20:05:32 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: OT ramblings about lameness and stupidity (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) References: Message-ID: <015301c3e9fa$3adec680$0500fea9@game> OK, I get the point. I must be more tolerant to a small amount of grammar mistakes then most people here. Its time to get some hot chocolate and dig out the old grammar book for some remedial grammar before you guys come and lynch me. Peace. From mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Mon Feb 2 19:48:38 2004 From: mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: OT ramblings about lameness and stupidity (was Re: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg) In-Reply-To: <00e001c3e9ee$97d060d0$0500fea9@game> References: <00e001c3e9ee$97d060d0$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <200402030219.VAA12519@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> ["Teo Zenios" ] > I find that when your word processor has a spell checker and grammer > checker you start to rely on it (you get lazy) It may not be entirely coincidental that I _don't_ use spelling/grammar checking software. :-) > Most mistakes are obvious typos or wordprocessor screwups based on > typos ("I walked down to the see" instead of sea), while sloppy it > doesnt keep you from deciphering the content. Me, no. But English is my mother tongue. I have recently been trying to learn Norwegian, mostly by chatting online with a Norwegian. This is relevant because every now and then the Norwegian will typo, or use a regional idiom, and even when the intended word is one I know in its bokm?l form, I will usually be baffled until the typo is corrected or the corresponding standard form provided. Thus, I can say from personal experience that yes, when you're working in a language that you're not fully fluent in, such mistakes can not only impair but sometimes outright prevent comprehension. Now, if we all were native anglophones, or at least had near-native fluency in English, this probably wouldn't matter. But I don't for a moment believe that's true. [Vintage Computer Festival ] > A misspelled word here and some poor grammar there does not compare > to full blown Engrish, I would agree, but both are equally annoying. Well, for things such as product manuals, no, there really is no excuse. But for something like a mailing list message, well, when I see Engrish over a signature like "Hidei Nishimura", I usually cut the poor poster some slack, provided the meaning is indeed clear. Mistakes arising from someone of some other native tongue trying to use my language and not quite having the expertise to do it right I can forgive, especially since I'm generally far worse in the poster's native tongue. But the sorts of mistakes are very different: non-native English will have the wrong preposition somewhere, or will conjugate a verb wrong, or some such, rather than (say) confusing "your" and "you're". (For example, that Norwegian I mentioned above has been known to come out with things like "Well, she (yes, she, despite that Margit persistently told me it looked more like a man)" (vs "despite Margit persistently telling me...") - not at all the sort of mistake produced by sloppiness in a native anglophone.) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From aw288 at osfn.org Mon Feb 2 21:48:01 2004 From: aw288 at osfn.org (William Donzelli) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vacuum tube logic thing Message-ID: I'll give this list a shot a something meat I have had for a while - maybe I can get a nice trade. I have a big logic trainer that I would like to move on. It is pretty neat and unique for three reasons: 1) It is based on vacuum tubes. Inside are a number of 12AX7oids that do the work. I think this dates to the very late 1950s. 2) The logic is really odd. It is binary, but the logic levels are not voltage levels, but phases. Hell of a way to run a railroad, in my book. 3) Its Japanese. Yes, Japanese. Apparently part of an early minicomputer project that came out of Japan called Parametron. So what I have is a really odd duck - a Parametron LT-2E, with power supply, spares kit (with spare tubes!), and the reamins of a manual. It is a pretty big desktop unit, but I think I can ship it FedEx ground in a couple of boxes (from 10512). As of now it is untested, but tomorrow I think I might look into powering it up. There is some paint flakage and a little corrosion in the aluminum body, but nothing to scream about. So I am fishing for a trade. A good trade, as I know this thing is worth some real money. What do I like? Big is good, old is good, IBM or Univac is good, but I am open to ideas. I can trade up or down with cash, if we can not quite equal things out. Try me. I'll try to get some pictures shot tomorrow. William Donzelli aw288@osfn.org From jpl15 at panix.com Mon Feb 2 22:06:45 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vacuum tube logic thing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, William Donzelli wrote: > I'll give this list a shot a something meat I have had for a while - > maybe I can get a nice trade. > > I have a big logic trainer that I would like to move on. It is pretty > neat and unique for three reasons: > > 1) It is based on vacuum tubes. Inside are a number of 12AX7oids that do > the work. I think this dates to the very late 1950s. > > 2) The logic is really odd. It is binary, but the logic levels are not > voltage levels, but phases. Hell of a way to run a railroad, in my book. > > 3) Its Japanese. Yes, Japanese. Apparently part of an early minicomputer > project that came out of Japan called Parametron. http://www.thocp.net/hardware/parametron.htm http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/328517.html and a few others, two in Japanese and one that requires some kind of password. Google be yo fren'! Quite the fascinating device - "based on the EDSAC" so I imagine it's quite phase-dependent... the ENIAC had 10 seperate clock/buss lines, IIRC. There's also a transistor-like device bearing the name, and a Paramistor. Based on Josephson-junction technology. Cheers John From donm at cts.com Mon Feb 2 22:52:57 2004 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: NEC APC III, anyone have one? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040202202945.008d16c0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: > Hi Rich, > > I have an orginal model APC with the 8" floppy drives that looks like > this . It has > the built-in color monitor. Do you have anything for it? BTW it's one HEAVY > brute! I'd hate to have to pay to ship it! I doubt that much/any of what Rich has would be useful on the APC. What are you looking for, Joe? As you know, I also have one but cannot provide anything in the way of manuals, etc. However, I do have a fair collection of software for it. CP/M-86, TurboDos, MSDOS 2.11, p-System. Any of that help? - don > > At 07:29 PM 2/2/04 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >I just received a large lot of NEC APC III software and docs... Naturally, > >this means I need an NEC APC III to go with it :-). I know it's a From doc at mdrconsult.com Mon Feb 2 23:29:59 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vhmrrxutkvbziepg In-Reply-To: <00e001c3e9ee$97d060d0$0500fea9@game> References: <00e001c3e9ee$97d060d0$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <024FD826-560A-11D8-9C6B-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 2, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Teo Zenios wrote: > > Must be nice, I find that when your word processor has a spell checker > and > grammer checker you start to rely on it (you get lazy) while if your > using > paper and pen you tend to be more careful (and if your publishing > something > to be read by your peers your really carefull). *AAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!* A Troll, it's a troll! Run, for your sanity! Dude, if I found it possible to take that sentence seriously, or as anything but a troll, I believe that my head would explode. Doc From pcw at mesanet.com Mon Feb 2 23:39:41 2004 From: pcw at mesanet.com (Peter C. Wallace) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Vacuum tube logic thing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, William Donzelli wrote: > I'll give this list a shot a something meat I have had for a while - > maybe I can get a nice trade. > > I have a big logic trainer that I would like to move on. It is pretty > neat and unique for three reasons: > > 1) It is based on vacuum tubes. Inside are a number of 12AX7oids that do > the work. I think this dates to the very late 1950s. > > 2) The logic is really odd. It is binary, but the logic levels are not > voltage levels, but phases. Hell of a way to run a railroad, in my book. > > 3) Its Japanese. Yes, Japanese. Apparently part of an early minicomputer > project that came out of Japan called Parametron. > > So what I have is a really odd duck - a Parametron LT-2E, with power > supply, spares kit (with spare tubes!), and the reamins of a manual. It > is a pretty big desktop unit, but I think I can ship it FedEx ground in a > couple of boxes (from 10512). > > As of now it is untested, but tomorrow I think I might look into powering > it up. There is some paint flakage and a little corrosion in the aluminum > body, but nothing to scream about. > > So I am fishing for a trade. A good trade, as I know this thing is worth > some real money. What do I like? Big is good, old is good, IBM or Univac is > good, but I am open to ideas. I can trade up or down with cash, if we can > not quite equal things out. > > Try me. > > I'll try to get some pictures shot tomorrow. > > William Donzelli > aw288@osfn.org > "Digital Computer Design Fundamentals" - Chu - 1962 Has a full section (about 4 pages) on Parametron logic, here are a couple little excerpts: "The Parametron, developed by Goto of Japan, is a parametric phase-locked subharmonic oscillator (PLO). As described in chapter 6, a PLO is a resonant circuit with a reactive element varying periodically at a pump frequency fp; the resonant circuit produces a parametric oscillation with a frequency fo which is the second subharmonic of the pump frequency (or fp = 2fo). The parametric subharmonic oscillation has a remarkable property in that the oscillation has two stable phases which differ by 180 degrees as shown in figure 6-35. These two stable modes of oscillation represent the binary states; hence a PLO is a binary storage element..." "The parametric oscillation is not a new phenomenom. Its application to the digital computer was independently conceived by both the late Von Neumann ant Goto of Japan at nearly the same time (1954) . The Parametron has been used in several digital computers in Japan. " Peter Wallace From ggs at shiresoft.com Mon Feb 2 23:42:41 2004 From: ggs at shiresoft.com (Guy Sotomayor) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:05 2005 Subject: Need RT-11 on RX02 In-Reply-To: <5D085742-554C-11D8-9459-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040129182853.03644ec0@mail.comcast.net> <1075569703.2797.5.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <1075700707.2817.40.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <5D085742-554C-11D8-9459-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> Message-ID: <1075786960.2141.9.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 22:52, Doc Shipley wrote: > On Feb 1, 2004, at 11:45 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > > Well, it took almost the entire weekend to get the floppy images over > > to > > my laptop. I had to get 2 9 track tape drives working (at the same > > time). > > > > I used the following to get the floppy images: > > dd if=/dev/rrx2 of=/tmp/rt11.n > > > > n was the # of the diskette > > If I recall correctly, the RX02 is a 256-byte block. Maybe you need > to add "ibs=256 obs=256" to the dd command. Yea, I had figured that out after I posted. I used: dd if=/dev/rrx2 of=/tmp/rt11.n bs=256 Wouldn't ya know after I created a new tape on the 11, I go to read it on my PC and my SCSI 9-track tape drive has died. It won't power up. :-( I smelled something funny in my office when I got home today but couldn't quite figure it out (the drive was "on" but in standby). I guess I know what that smell was. Go figure. A tape drive that is > 20 years old works great. A newer one (what are the dates on a TSZ07?) dies. I guess the old adage "They don't make 'em like they used to" still holds. > > Also, if you have a Linux or *BSD system you can attach to the /45's > serial console, you can image the RT-11 diskettes straight to the PC > disk with vtserver's built-in "copy" function. I've used it to > duplicate a bootable BRUSYS floppy on the 11/84. That's how I got the original RL02 image onto the 11/45. I like tapes because then I don't have to move equipment around (and it's quite a bit faster than 9600bps over a serial line). -- TTFN - Guy From doc at mdrconsult.com Tue Feb 3 00:13:06 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Need RT-11 on RX02 In-Reply-To: <1075786960.2141.9.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040129182853.03644ec0@mail.comcast.net> <1075569703.2797.5.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <1075700707.2817.40.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <5D085742-554C-11D8-9459-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> <1075786960.2141.9.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> Message-ID: <088686D0-5610-11D8-9C6B-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 2, 2004, at 11:42 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 22:52, Doc Shipley wrote: >> >> If I recall correctly, the RX02 is a 256-byte block. Maybe you >> need >> to add "ibs=256 obs=256" to the dd command. > > Yea, I had figured that out after I posted. I used: > dd if=/dev/rrx2 of=/tmp/rt11.n bs=256 > > Wouldn't ya know after I created a new tape on the 11, I go to read it > on my PC and my SCSI 9-track tape drive has died. It won't power up. > :-( I smelled something funny in my office when I got home today but > couldn't quite figure it out (the drive was "on" but in standby). I > guess I know what that smell was. Oh, man! I hate it when that happens! I gotta strip the RX02 I've been using. It squeals like a little girl at power-up, and I want to catch that before it doesn't squeal anymore.... > Go figure. A tape drive that is > 20 years old works great. A newer > one (what are the dates on a TSZ07?) dies. I guess the old adage "They > don't make 'em like they used to" still holds. I love my TU80. When it starts moving tape, I feel like I'm in the Bat Cave or some stuff. The TZ07 just doesn't carry the same thrill. >> Also, if you have a Linux or *BSD system you can attach to the >> /45's >> serial console, you can image the RT-11 diskettes straight to the PC >> disk with vtserver's built-in "copy" function. I've used it to >> duplicate a bootable BRUSYS floppy on the 11/84. > > That's how I got the original RL02 image onto the 11/45. I like tapes > because then I don't have to move equipment around (and it's quite a > bit > faster than 9600bps over a serial line). That is a true fact. Loading 2.11BSD over a serial line was an exercise in napping. :) Doc From thehsm at hotmail.com Mon Feb 2 17:20:53 2004 From: thehsm at hotmail.com (Herman Schnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: 1631D question Message-ID: Hello Bdale, I have a 1631D connected to a 9153C hard drive. When I try to format the harddrive, the 1631D timesout before the format is completed. I was wondering if you a copy of the service manual because I want to increase the timeout value in the ROMS so I can format the HD. What CPU is the 1631 running on? Another option is to use the HAL pin on the cpu while the hard drive is format and release it before it is done. Thanks for your help. Bye, Herman From ggs at shiresoft.com Tue Feb 3 01:20:52 2004 From: ggs at shiresoft.com (Guy Sotomayor) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Need RT-11 on RX02 In-Reply-To: <088686D0-5610-11D8-9C6B-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040129182853.03644ec0@mail.comcast.net> <1075569703.2797.5.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <1075700707.2817.40.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <5D085742-554C-11D8-9459-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> <1075786960.2141.9.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <088686D0-5610-11D8-9C6B-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> Message-ID: <1075792851.2954.19.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 22:13, Doc Shipley wrote: > > Wouldn't ya know after I created a new tape on the 11, I go to read it > > on my PC and my SCSI 9-track tape drive has died. It won't power up. > > :-( I smelled something funny in my office when I got home today but > > couldn't quite figure it out (the drive was "on" but in standby). I > > guess I know what that smell was. > > Oh, man! I hate it when that happens! Yea, it really sucks! > > Go figure. A tape drive that is > 20 years old works great. A newer > > one (what are the dates on a TSZ07?) dies. I guess the old adage "They > > don't make 'em like they used to" still holds. > > I love my TU80. When it starts moving tape, I feel like I'm in the > Bat Cave or some stuff. The TZ07 just doesn't carry the same thrill. > Yea, the TU80 is pretty nice (mainly cause it works)! I have a TS11, a couple of Kennedy (9600?) drives in storage. They'll be *way* cooler because they have the tape vertical (so it looks like a proper tape drive). I also have a TE16 that's slated for my 11/70 but since it's a massbus tape drive, I can't do anything with it until I have the 70 running. It will be *way* cool because it's a vacuum column drive. My machine room (garage) when I have the 11/45 powered up (3 H960 racks each with fans in the top + all of the other fans in the 11/45, BA11, etc) is quite noisy. The 11/70 will be deafening (5 H960's) once it's working. > > That is a true fact. Loading 2.11BSD over a serial line was an > exercise in napping. :) Just loading a single RL02 image was about 6 hours! -- TTFN - Guy From klemens.krause at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Tue Feb 3 03:47:10 2004 From: klemens.krause at informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Klemens Krause) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040201184037.01d2fdf0@wilma.widomaker.com> Message-ID: <401F6E1E.A324D344@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> I would be highly interested to get a listing or a hexdump (or octal dump) of scelbal in any form. I have a running 8008-system and I'm looking for software for that system. If you would make available a readable listing of scelbal I would type it in. Best would be an assembler listing, but better than nothing would be an hex- or octal-dump. http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev/emuf08/emuf08_1.html Klemens Chuck Swiger schrieb: > > Gang - I finally found an official serialized copy of "SCELBAL A high Level > Language > for the 8008", plus Wadsworth "Machine Language Programming for the 8008", > plus Scelbi "Galaxy Game for the 8008/8080", "First Book of Games for the > 8008/8080", > "Monitor for 8080" and "Editor for 8080". ... > --Chuck -- ---------------------------------------------- Klemens Krause Universitaet Stuttgart / Inst. f. Softwaretechnologie Universitaetsstr. 38 / 70569 Stuttgart Tel.: 0711/7816 341 From r.lasbury at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 3 05:16:24 2004 From: r.lasbury at ntlworld.com (Robin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Help wanted with an Open VMS installation Message-ID: <000001c3ea47$2b970140$0200a8c0@Gamma> Can anyone please help... I am trying to install OpenVMS 7.3-1 for the first time onto a DEC 3000 Model 600, I have checked the compatibility of the hardware and the console firmware is the latest version however the installation process hangs with the message "%SWAPPER-I-SYSDISK, checking status of system disk" Has anyone experienced this before. All help advice and suggestions gratefully received Robin _____ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 1811 Spam messages and set aside 239 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 06:00:02 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: gcc cross compiler for PDP-11 In-Reply-To: <200401312133.i0VLXT224153@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Brad Parker wrote: > concerning gcc/binuils & pdp-11 > > - gcc's (3.3.2) backend generates "unix" style asm > - gas wants "gas" style asm and doesn't like the "unix" style asm > - the pdp-11 gcc maintainer knows this and has some fixes which he's > going to release soon GCC version 3.x generates code that, um, sucks. For most C-based programming, there is absolutely no reason to "upgrade" beyond the older (V2.95.3) release, which works fine with the pdp11 backend. > You can't simply cross compile the "as" from 2.11BSD because it's > written in assembler. (but it sure looks like it was C at point) No, UNIX as was always written in assembler, although they did use some tools to clean it up later on. Later (non-PDP11) versions were in C, obviously. --f From jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Tue Feb 3 07:34:44 2004 From: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (Jochen Kunz) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: gcc cross compiler for PDP-11 In-Reply-To: References: <200401312133.i0VLXT224153@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: <20040203133444.GE25748@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 01:00:02PM +0100, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > GCC version 3.x generates code that, um, sucks. For most C-based > programming, there is absolutely no reason to "upgrade" beyond the > older (V2.95.3) release, which works fine with the pdp11 backend. GCC 2.95 has serious problems corss compiling across the LP32 / LP64 boundary. I can say this out of my own experience as a NetBSD hacker. > > You can't simply cross compile the "as" from 2.11BSD because it's > > written in assembler. (but it sure looks like it was C at point) > No, UNIX as was always written in assembler, although they did use > some tools to clean it up later on. Later (non-PDP11) versions were > in C, obviously. Well. Maybe C was modeled after that assembler code. ;-) -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ From thompson at new.rr.com Tue Feb 3 07:34:59 2004 From: thompson at new.rr.com (Paul Thompson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Help wanted with an Open VMS installation In-Reply-To: <000001c3ea47$2b970140$0200a8c0@Gamma> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Robin wrote: > Can anyone please help... > > hangs with the message "%SWAPPER-I-SYSDISK, checking status of system Does pressing CTRL-T show an image name or anything incrementing? -- From jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to Tue Feb 3 08:51:05 2004 From: jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to (Jerome H. Fine) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Need RT-11 on RX02 References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040129182853.03644ec0@mail.comcast.net> <1075569703.2797.5.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <1075700707.2817.40.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> <5D085742-554C-11D8-9459-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> <1075786960.2141.9.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> Message-ID: <401FB559.692ED857@compsys.to> >Guy Sotomayor wrote: > Wouldn't ya know after I created a new tape on the 11, I go to read it > on my PC and my SCSI 9-track tape drive has died. It won't power up. > :-( I smelled something funny in my office when I got home today but > couldn't quite figure it out (the drive was "on" but in standby). I > guess I know what that smell was. > Go figure. A tape drive that is > 20 years old works great. A newer > one (what are the dates on a TSZ07?) dies. I guess the old adage "They > don't make 'em like they used to" still holds. Jerome Fine replies: I realize that a SCSI host adapter for both a Qbus and a Unibus system is still expensive. However, over the past decade, I have found it to be the best investment I ever made. In my case, I found that a removable media drive was also part of the solution. Over 10 years ago, I sold a dual Sony SMO S-501 system to a customer who want to make backups of about 1500 RX02 floppies. The solution being used at the time was to copy 20 RX02 floppies to RL02 packs. There were already almost 50 * RL02 packs in use and an additional 30 * RL02 packs were anticipated. The cost of those extra 30 packs was larger than the dual Sony SMO S-501 drives. The reason for a dual set-up was that each RL02 pack had 2 tape backups as well, one of which was always offsite. With the Sony drives, 3 media (295 MBytes on each side) were sufficient to hold all 80 * RL02 images. Another 6 media held 2 backup copies. All 9 SMO media were about the size of half a loaf of bread as compared with over 5 times the volume for a single RL02. Having dual Sony SMO S-501 drives allowed a copy of each media to be done in about an hour during lunch. In one day, all 5 sides with files could be copied and verified as opposed to over a week if over 80 RL02 packs were copied to tapes. A long time later, I also acquired an Adaptec AHA-2940AU on a Pentium III system along with a few Sony SMO S-501 drives and a lot (over 100) of SMO media. Now I use the SMO media as a backup on both systems along with the ability to transfer files between any real DEC PDP-11 system and a PC. On the PC, I run Ersatz-11 and RT-11 under Windows 98 SE. I caution that I am fortunate to have the "Full" (Commercial) version of Ersatz-11, however, PUTR is able to handle copies of RT-11 partitions. The key point is that the SMO media still seem ideal even at just 295 MBytes a side for file transfer between a PC and a real DEC PDP-11. A bit of an admission - I now use a DVD for backup on the PC and have 15 * SMO S-501 images on each DVD. How times have changed. And the 15 * SMO S-501 images are usually kept as files on a 40 GByte hard drive. > > Also, if you have a Linux or *BSD system you can attach to the /45's > > serial console, you can image the RT-11 diskettes straight to the PC > > disk with vtserver's built-in "copy" function. I've used it to > > duplicate a bootable BRUSYS floppy on the 11/84. > That's how I got the original RL02 image onto the 11/45. I like tapes > because then I don't have to move equipment around (and it's quite a bit > faster than 9600bps over a serial line). About 15 years ago, I was asked to transfer the files from a 240 MByte hard drive on a DEC PDP-11/73 system which included a 9 track tape drive. The target system was a 486 running Unix which did not have a tape drive. This was a one time transfer, so the time was not critical. I took a while at 9600 baud using Kermit, but eventually it was done. Fortunately not all the files needed to be transferred. While tapes are great in some cases, I find that I prefer the Sony drives. Lacking that, the serial transfer was a simple solution. Coming in the next day to find the transfer almost complete overnight was a big advantage. Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year. From rickb at bensene.com Tue Feb 3 09:38:19 2004 From: rickb at bensene.com (Rick Bensene) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Vacuum tube logic thing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c3ea6b$bfb31250$030aa8c0@bensene.com> While used in a number of early Japanese computer, the Parametron was also used in a desktop electronic calculator: http://oldcalculatormuseum.com/w-aleph-0.html Not a tremendous amount is known about this machine, but it definitely used Parametron logic, and was produced in some volume. The company that made it, Oi Electric, in Japan, is still in business, and has one of the machines on display in their office. This calculator was Oi Electric's only foray into the calculator marketplace. Rick Bensene The Old Calculator Web Museum http://oldcalculatormuseum.com From oldcomp at cox.net Tue Feb 3 10:10:48 2004 From: oldcomp at cox.net (Bryan Blackburn) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books: AVAILABLE on CD + more In-Reply-To: <401F6E1E.A324D344@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040201184037.01d2fdf0@wilma.widomaker.com> <401F6E1E.A324D344@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Message-ID: <401FC808.9030507@cox.net> Hi all, I have a bunch of Scelbi titles and other various 8008 related books scanned and available, all in pdf format on CD. Here is a list: - The Intel 8008 Manual (two versions: Jun & Nov '72) - RE Mark-8 Construction Article from Radio Electronics (from my originals) - Microsystems International 8008 Applications Manual (Very good info and monitor program, complete with assembler/disassembler listing!) - Mark-8 (Micro-8) Newsletter, 18 issues - The Computer Hobbyist Newsletter, 10 issues, plus flyer - Scelbi 8008 Monitor Routines - Scelbi Galaxy Game for the 8008/8080 (Star Trek game) - Scelbi Machine Language Programming for the 8008 - Scelbi SCELBAL for the 8008/8080 (BASIC Language for the 8008/8080) - The Digital Group "Packet #1" (Mods and improvements & software for the Mark-8) - RE Construction article for the original TV Typewriter - Misc. software listings and other Misc. documents, mostly mine - Photos of my Mark-8, just because there was room on the disk :) Some of this info is available elsewhere on the web, if you can find it, but I have scanned much of it from my own originals. The disk totals about 550 Meg. To the best of my knowledge, other than perhaps the Intel manuals, all the copyright holders of this stuff are long gone. I will make this available to list members on cheap CD's (the only kind I use, I'm afraid). for the cost making, packaging, and mailing them... I think $4.00-5.00 should cover U.S. members via 1st class mail, and $7.00-8.00 for international shipping via Global Priority. If list members would like a copy, send an email to: bryan( at )bkblackburn( dot )com, so I can get a head count. -Bryan See my Mark-8 at http://members.cox.net/oldcomp/my_collection.htm Klemens Krause wrote: > I would be highly interested to get a listing or a hexdump (or octal dump) > of scelbal in any form. > I have a running 8008-system and I'm looking for software for that system. > If you would make available a readable listing of scelbal I would type it > in. Best would be an assembler listing, but better than nothing would be > an hex- or octal-dump. > From jimmydevice at hotmail.com Tue Feb 3 07:27:27 2004 From: jimmydevice at hotmail.com (Jim Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: gcc cross compiler for PDP-11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401FA1BF.7030701@hotmail.com> Fred N. van Kempen wrote: >On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Brad Parker wrote: > > > >>concerning gcc/binuils & pdp-11 >> >>- gcc's (3.3.2) backend generates "unix" style asm >>- gas wants "gas" style asm and doesn't like the "unix" style asm >>- the pdp-11 gcc maintainer knows this and has some fixes which he's >> going to release soon >> >> > >GCC version 3.x generates code that, um, sucks. For most C-based >programming, there is absolutely no reason to "upgrade" beyond the >older (V2.95.3) release, which works fine with the pdp11 backend. > > > >>You can't simply cross compile the "as" from 2.11BSD because it's >>written in assembler. (but it sure looks like it was C at point) >> >> >No, UNIX as was always written in assembler, although they did use >some tools to clean it up later on. Later (non-PDP11) versions were >in C, obviously. > >--f > > > > Are you sure? I was working in UNIX in 1980 and the 11/23 port was definitely C. Maybe ASM earlier? It must have been a narrow window, The machine at OMSI, the 11/45 was running RSTS. Some of the guys, Barry White and Jim Bacchus were booting the maching with some "new" OS late at night., this was in 1972.. UNIX? Jim Davis. From rfeldman at kfa-inc.com Tue Feb 3 08:42:12 2004 From: rfeldman at kfa-inc.com (Robert A. Feldman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: HP Jet Direct Message-ID: <000001c3ea63$e89756c0$2401a8c0@KFA17> I'm just getting caught up with a backlog of email, so this post might be a bit late. Anyway, I have an HP Jet Direct EX (J2382B), complete with cables, power supply, manuals, and disks, free for postage (about 5 pounds, from Chicago). I also have an HP internal Jet Direct card (J2341A) for a LaserJet 4, with manuals and disks, also free for postage (3-4 pounds). Since I get the list in digest form, reply directly to me at raFeldmanhotmail.com if you are interested. Bob From tony at encoreelectronics.com Tue Feb 3 09:38:22 2004 From: tony at encoreelectronics.com (Tony Karavidas) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: HP 64000 hard disk structure ??? Message-ID: Did you write this and have you had any luck? Tony P.Demus - DEMUS DATENSYSTEME hpd at demus.de Mon Dec 8 17:10:43 CST 2003 * Previous message: 10342 manuals and softwasre * Next message: HP Apollo DN5500 disk and sysboot * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hello ! i'm trying to decode the disc structure of a HP7912 hard disk attached to a HP 64000 uC System. build in 1985! yeaaah I managed to copy the HP7912 sectors on a MO-disc SCSI on series hp 9000 / 300. i read in the MO disc image on a PC. now i have a 54MB image file. has anybody some infos about structure and tables of the directory of the HP64000 disc format ?? it's not HFS (HPUX) and NOT LIF.... i decoded the directory entries for name and date and size of file. now there are two 16bit words describing first and last page used for storing data. i have no idea how this 16bit value is belonging to a sector number. any hints ?? thanks peter -- DEMUS DATENSYSTEME GmbH . Steinbergstr. 24 D-30559 Hannover . Germany Tel +49-511-95448-0 . Fax +49-511-95448-44 http://www.demus.de . mailto:info at demus.de From tony at encoreelectronics.com Tue Feb 3 10:34:24 2004 From: tony at encoreelectronics.com (Tony Karavidas) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: HP 64000 Message-ID: Hi, Do you still have that box of s/w and documentation? I'm a big 64000 fan and have been looking for stuff for years... Regards, Tony From ggs at shiresoft.com Tue Feb 3 11:08:22 2004 From: ggs at shiresoft.com (Guy Sotomayor) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: gcc cross compiler for PDP-11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075828101.2141.31.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 04:00, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > You can't simply cross compile the "as" from 2.11BSD because it's > > written in assembler. (but it sure looks like it was C at point) > No, UNIX as was always written in assembler, although they did use > some tools to clean it up later on. Later (non-PDP11) versions were > in C, obviously. Sorry, wrong. Unix was first written in assembler, then re-written in BCPL and re-written again in C. I know that by v6 (1975) it was mostly C with assembly for some of the things that couldn't or wouldn't work well in C. I don't know exactly when the transition to C happened but I think that by the time it escaped from Bell Labs (v5) it was C. -- TTFN - Guy From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 11:15:13 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: KXT11 (was: Re: looking for a few items.) In-Reply-To: <031201c3e5ce$d07d4480$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, John Allain wrote: > Interesting. > > The field guide lists the M7676 as if it was a single board > T11, perhaps like Megan's "PDP laptop" from the VCFe. > Anybody ever seen a M7676 / KXT11 ? Yes, that sounds like the Falcon SBC, aka the KXT11, which indeed is a single board computer based on the T11 chipset. I have one, too. Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA From bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca Tue Feb 3 11:14:06 2004 From: bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca (ben franchuk) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Vacuum tube logic thing References: Message-ID: <401FD6DE.8050007@jetnet.ab.ca> John Lawson wrote: >>3) Its Japanese. Yes, Japanese. Apparently part of an early minicomputer >>project that came out of Japan called Parametron. > http://www.thocp.net/hardware/parametron.htm > http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/328517.html Well for more information you can play with EARLY Japanese computers here. http://www.comp.ae.keio.ac.jp/pub/simulator/index.html Ben. From uban at ubanproductions.com Tue Feb 3 11:27:01 2004 From: uban at ubanproductions.com (Tom Uban) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: KXT11 (was: Re: looking for a few items.) In-Reply-To: References: <031201c3e5ce$d07d4480$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040203112535.035db8e8@mail.ubanproductions.com> At 06:15 PM 2/3/2004 +0100, you wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, John Allain wrote: > > > Interesting. > > > > The field guide lists the M7676 as if it was a single board > > T11, perhaps like Megan's "PDP laptop" from the VCFe. > > Anybody ever seen a M7676 / KXT11 ? >Yes, that sounds like the Falcon SBC, aka the KXT11, which >indeed is a single board computer based on the T11 chipset. > >I have one, too. Interesting. What exactly do you mean by a SBC in this case? Is it standalone, or does it plug into a Unibus or Qbus? Do you have a picture that you could post? --tnx --tom From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 11:27:06 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: gcc cross compiler for PDP-11 In-Reply-To: <1075828101.2141.31.camel@nazgul.shiresoft.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > Sorry, wrong. Unix was first written in assembler, then re-written in > BCPL and re-written again in C. I know that by v6 (1975) it was mostly > C with assembly for some of the things that couldn't or wouldn't work > well in C. Or which they just didnt care about. They changed it in 1973-1974, to C, but left out fun stuff like the assembler, Basic, troff and others. V6 was C based as above, V4 and V5 were intermediates. > I don't know exactly when the transition to C happened but I think that > by the time it escaped from Bell Labs (v5) it was C. Yes, the change was between 4th and 5th ed., with the 6th ed. being the "cleaner" one, culminating in a much more portable V7. --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 11:32:59 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: KXT11 (was: Re: looking for a few items.) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040203112535.035db8e8@mail.ubanproductions.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Tom Uban wrote: > Interesting. What exactly do you mean by a SBC in this case? Is > it standalone, or does it plug into a Unibus or Qbus? Do you have > a picture that you could post? It is a tiny board (well, just a dual Qbus card) which has the Qbus card-edge fingers, the usual power connectors (either from the bus backplane, or direct connections) and the usual set of I/O for a single-board thinger: cpu, ram, rom, serial i/o, slots for custom memory, and so on. i have pics, but they're, uhh, offline :( I'll grab it tonight and take some new ones, ok? I assume DEC wanted OEM's to use this board for their micro- controller needs. --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 12:00:12 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: <200401291131.i0TBVAC27702@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Brad Parker wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is a version of Ultrix which will boot on an > 11/730? Any version should work. > And if so, can I grab media files off the net somewhere? Yeah, but unless you know how to fiddle with tape formats, and DEC's internal (setld) format, you probably want to set it up to just net-boot and net-install, rather doing a tape thinger. --f From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Tue Feb 3 12:40:32 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller Message-ID: Hi folks, I've seen this phenomenon on the likes of printers etc but I've never seen it on a tape drive. Basically the rubber that used to surround the wheel that controls FF/REW/Play functions on the tapedeck in my newly acquired Sharp MZ80B has melted to a sticky black compound that's run down the housing and gummed up the tape wheels. Pix at http://www.wowrarelook.co.uk/DSCF5821.JPG (244k) front of housing showing icky stuff http://www.wowrarelook.co.uk/DSCF5812.JPG (27k) control wheel Note shiny surfaces where there shouldn't be shiny surfaces :) I'd assume that the tape mechanism was a standard one but the question is, can I still get the part seen in DSCF5812.JPG since it appears that's all that's at fault? Cheers as ever. -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From paulpenn at knology.net Tue Feb 3 13:21:22 2004 From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul Pennington) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books: AVAILABLE on CD + more References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040201184037.01d2fdf0@wilma.widomaker.com><401F6E1E.A324D344@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <401FC808.9030507@cox.net> Message-ID: <005f01c3ea8a$e8a1a540$6401a8c0@knology.net> "Bryan Blackburn" wrote: > I have a bunch of Scelbi titles and other various 8008 related books > scanned and available, all in pdf format on CD. Here is a list: > > - RE Mark-8 Construction Article from Radio Electronics (from my originals) > - RE Construction article for the original TV Typewriter Bryan; Cool. One question: are the Mark-8 and TV Typewriter articles from Radio-Electronics copies of the magazine articles or the construction booklet which had to be requested (or both)? Thanks, Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia From vcf at siconic.com Tue Feb 3 13:18:55 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote: > I've seen this phenomenon on the likes of printers etc but I've never seen > it on a tape drive. Basically the rubber that used to surround the wheel > that controls FF/REW/Play functions on the tapedeck in my newly acquired > Sharp MZ80B has melted to a sticky black compound that's run down the > housing and gummed up the tape wheels. Pretty common. We've discussed this at length at least a couple times before. It might be worth a while poking through the archives (er, well, Google, since the archives are in a sem-permanent statis at this point). If you can't find a similar tape mechanism then you may want to make a new one. Tony Duell had some good suggestions for this. And I guess as far as long term storage, keep your tape drives in a cooler environment with, what, at least 50% humidity? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From SUPRDAVE at aol.com Tue Feb 3 13:22:19 2004 From: SUPRDAVE at aol.com (SUPRDAVE@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: 5.25 disks/programs available Message-ID: <177.251fb5e8.2d514eeb@aol.com> I scavenged some old disks from someone that was cleaning up their office after moving. Listed below is some items someone might want. Otherwise, I'll just format and keep them for extras. They all look like new and seem to be unused. system disks for Dell system200 pc. DOS/gwbasic/utilities borland turboC 1986 5disk set Microtek USD-III 1.0 5 disk set x6800 assembler something called matrix desktop. 8 disk set Turbo C++ 10 disk set procomm plus 2 disk set MS mouse and paintbrush, several copies of each MSDOS 4.01 from TRC techology research. Has the old style ms logo on them. 6 disk set MS windows 3.0 from z-nix company 5 disk set pay for shipping and they can be yours From lbickley at bickleywest.com Tue Feb 3 13:23:11 2004 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402031123.11304.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Just so you don't feel alone, lots of HP tape drive capstan rubber sleeves that are over twenty years old show the same "attribute" of "melting" - I've repaired several of the critters. I suggest you find some quality rubber tubing which matches as closley as possible the specs. of the original rubber and use a good rubber/metal glue - usually black and very "sticky" (essential for HP high speed drives). Lyle On Tuesday 03 February 2004 10:40, Witchy wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've seen this phenomenon on the likes of printers etc but I've never seen > it on a tape drive. Basically the rubber that used to surround the wheel > that controls FF/REW/Play functions on the tapedeck in my newly acquired > Sharp MZ80B has melted to a sticky black compound that's run down the > housing and gummed up the tape wheels. > > Pix at > > http://www.wowrarelook.co.uk/DSCF5821.JPG (244k) front of housing showing > icky stuff > http://www.wowrarelook.co.uk/DSCF5812.JPG (27k) control wheel > > Note shiny surfaces where there shouldn't be shiny surfaces :) > > I'd assume that the tape mechanism was a standard one but the question is, > can I still get the part seen in DSCF5812.JPG since it appears that's all > that's at fault? > > Cheers as ever. > > -- > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs > www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer > museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From cb at mythtech.net Tue Feb 3 14:08:58 2004 From: cb at mythtech.net (chris) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Restoring old floppies to usable state Message-ID: Will a magnetic bulk eraser restore a floppy to good status? I have some floppies that are reporting bad sectors when formatted. I've tried bulk erasing them, and a format afterwards reports no bad sectors. Is this actually working, or am I just getting lucky, and those bad sectors will return shortly. These are DSDD 3.5's which are getting a little harder to come by. So if bulk erasing works, then I'll do that and salvage them. -chris From jwest at classiccmp.org Tue Feb 3 14:31:28 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: preserving CD/DVD Message-ID: <01c601c3ea94$b3912880$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Since people here have talked about archiving vintage computer data to CD/DVD, thought these two links might be of interest: Mostly common sense, but there are some good tips as well. One page summary: http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/onepage.pdf The entire document: http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/CDandDVDCareandHandlingGuide.pdf Just a quick fyi for those interested. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Tue Feb 3 14:53:33 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: <200402031123.11304.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Lyle Bickley > Sent: 03 February 2004 19:23 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: 'melted' tape roller > > Just so you don't feel alone, lots of HP tape drive capstan > rubber sleeves that are over twenty years old show the same > "attribute" of "melting" - I've repaired several of the critters. > > I suggest you find some quality rubber tubing which matches > as closley as possible the specs. of the original rubber and > use a good rubber/metal glue - usually black and very > "sticky" (essential for HP high speed drives). Ah, OK. I'd not thought of replacing the rubber with tubing. I'd gone down the route of 'damn it was a thick square faced continuous rubber band...where am I going to get THOSE from' :) Sellam, yes, storage isn't a problem here. I only got the machine last week so I don't know where it had been stored before....I'll have a google when I get a spare few mins. I remember the discussion but not the outcome..... Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From dundas at caltech.edu Tue Feb 3 15:22:51 2004 From: dundas at caltech.edu (John A. Dundas III) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: gcc cross compiler for PDP-11 In-Reply-To: <401FA1BF.7030701@hotmail.com> References: <401FA1BF.7030701@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 5:27 AM -0800 2/3/04, Jim Davis wrote: >Fred N. van Kempen wrote: >Are you sure? I was working in UNIX in 1980 and the 11/23 port was >definitely C. >Maybe ASM earlier? It must have been a narrow window, The machine at OMSI, >the 11/45 was running RSTS. Some of the guys, Barry White and Jim Bacchus >were booting the maching with some "new" OS late at night., this >was in 1972.. UNIX? >Jim Davis. Hey, I used that machine. I was a student at Lewis & Clark at the time. I was on Tek 4010 over dial-up (300 baud maybe) from campus doing some programming for the EE and Music departments. John From dwight.elvey at amd.com Tue Feb 3 15:24:21 2004 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Restoring old floppies to usable state Message-ID: <200402032124.NAA02636@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Chris The answer is absolutely maybe. It really depends on the original cause. Try running some test with a known good drive. You didn't state what you were running on? Things like Nortons disk doctor have good serface test. Dwight >From: chris > >Will a magnetic bulk eraser restore a floppy to good status? > >I have some floppies that are reporting bad sectors when formatted. I've >tried bulk erasing them, and a format afterwards reports no bad sectors. >Is this actually working, or am I just getting lucky, and those bad >sectors will return shortly. > >These are DSDD 3.5's which are getting a little harder to come by. So if >bulk erasing works, then I'll do that and salvage them. > >-chris > > > From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 15:53:59 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: <200401292015.PAA04961@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, der Mouse wrote: > > It may help to realise that "net" is Russian for "no", so NetBSD > > really means "not BSD". Although I disagree with Mike's explanation, he is right in the sense that netBSD (like openBSD, freeBSD et al) is "not really UNIX". They are not. BSD (as in, BSD 2.X, 3.X, 4.X UNIX) and its specialty trees (Reno, Tahoe, Net/1 and Net/2) are "real UNIX" code systems, which required a full AT&T/Western Electric source code license, and which were derived directly from V7 by the folks of CSRG at UC Berkeley. BSD/386, BSDI, {net|free|open}BSD all are BSD 4.X code derivatives which had been rewritten in such a way (see the whole BSD 4.4 UNIX vs. AT&T lawsuit minutes) that allowed them to be freely distributed to people without a written license from AT&T (the famous "seven files" were re-implemented.) As such, these systems are no longer considered "real UNIX", but, rather, "free UNIX-like" systems. License-technically speaking, one needs their code to pass a full suite of qualification tests ran by X/Open (formerly OSF, USL et al) before one can call that code "UNIX". > NetBSD is not BSD in the strict sense of having come from the CSRG at > Berkeley - but then, nothing is that is today simultaneously (a) > bootable, (b) open source, and (c) legal to run for those without > licenses that are expensive (if obtainable at all). Almost correct. It is not BSD (obviously, as they were never released by CSRG) but not even UNIX. It being freely available, expensive and whatnot is totally irrelevant. --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 15:55:30 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:06 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: <20040129221537.6d8865ae.jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Jochen Kunz wrote: > Old BSD releases can be downloaded for free from the TUHS archive since > Caldera released the old UNIX stuff under a BSD licence. At least the > 4.3BSD-Quasijarus stuff (an extended 4.3BSD-Tahoe from M. Sokolov) is > bootable on cold hardware. 4.2BSD and 4.3BSD-Reno seem to be complete > too. Although Mike's "Q" is not *technically* BSD because it was not released by CSRG, he does fully comply with their entire history of decision- making, and therefore can be considered "more BSD" than most, if not all, of the current freeware stuff. --f From oldcomp at cox.net Tue Feb 3 17:03:24 2004 From: oldcomp at cox.net (Bryan Blackburn) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: SCELBAL, Scelbi books: AVAILABLE on CD + more In-Reply-To: <005f01c3ea8a$e8a1a540$6401a8c0@knology.net> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040201184037.01d2fdf0@wilma.widomaker.com><401F6E1E.A324D344@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <401FC808.9030507@cox.net> <005f01c3ea8a$e8a1a540$6401a8c0@knology.net> Message-ID: <402028BC.4@cox.net> Both. For both. Article, plans, circuit board layouts... Oh yeah. We got it! Can you you find all the parts? :) -Bryan Paul Pennington wrote: > Cool. One question: are the Mark-8 and TV Typewriter articles from > Radio-Electronics copies of the magazine articles or the construction > booklet which had to be requested (or both)? > > Thanks, > > Paul Pennington > Augusta, Georgia > > From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 3 17:19:05 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040203181905.008cabe0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 06:40 PM 2/3/04 +0000, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I've seen this phenomenon on the likes of printers etc but I've never seen >it on a tape drive. Then you've never owned a HP tape drive! It's a common problem on them. The first trick is to find a tape drive with a good roller and measure it's size. A lot of people make new (small) rollers out of model airplane silicon rubber fuel line. I've used rubber bushings from electrical plugs for the bigger sizes such as the HP-85. I've also build up the aluminium rollers with layers of heatshrink tubing. HS works but it wears fast and it's hard to get it exactly round. Joe Basically the rubber that used to surround the wheel >that controls FF/REW/Play functions on the tapedeck in my newly acquired >Sharp MZ80B has melted to a sticky black compound that's run down the >housing and gummed up the tape wheels. > >Pix at > >http://www.wowrarelook.co.uk/DSCF5821.JPG (244k) front of housing showing >icky stuff >http://www.wowrarelook.co.uk/DSCF5812.JPG (27k) control wheel > >Note shiny surfaces where there shouldn't be shiny surfaces :) > >I'd assume that the tape mechanism was a standard one but the question is, >can I still get the part seen in DSCF5812.JPG since it appears that's all >that's at fault? > >Cheers as ever. > >-- >Adrian/Witchy >Binary Dinosaurs >www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum >www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( > > From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 3 17:22:11 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: <200402031123.11304.lbickley@bickleywest.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040203182211.008ce100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:23 AM 2/3/04 -0800, you wrote: >Just so you don't feel alone, lots of HP tape drive capstan rubber sleeves >that are over twenty years old show the same "attribute" of "melting" - I've >repaired several of the critters. > >I suggest you find some quality rubber tubing which matches as closley as >possible the specs. of the original rubber and use a good rubber/metal glue - >usually black and very "sticky" (essential for HP high speed drives). I use super glue and it works fine. Just use it very sparingly. If you use too much it will get on the outside of the roller and make it slick. I use a drop that's smaller than the head of a pin and let it wick into the joint. Joe > >Lyle > >On Tuesday 03 February 2004 10:40, Witchy wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I've seen this phenomenon on the likes of printers etc but I've never seen >> it on a tape drive. Basically the rubber that used to surround the wheel >> that controls FF/REW/Play functions on the tapedeck in my newly acquired >> Sharp MZ80B has melted to a sticky black compound that's run down the >> housing and gummed up the tape wheels. >> >> Pix at >> >> http://www.wowrarelook.co.uk/DSCF5821.JPG (244k) front of housing showing >> icky stuff >> http://www.wowrarelook.co.uk/DSCF5812.JPG (27k) control wheel >> >> Note shiny surfaces where there shouldn't be shiny surfaces :) >> >> I'd assume that the tape mechanism was a standard one but the question is, >> can I still get the part seen in DSCF5812.JPG since it appears that's all >> that's at fault? >> >> Cheers as ever. >> >> -- >> Adrian/Witchy >> Binary Dinosaurs >> www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer >> museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( > >-- >Lyle Bickley >Bickley Consulting West Inc. >http://bickleywest.com >"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" > > From mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Tue Feb 3 17:19:56 2004 From: mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402032330.SAA28371@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > [...] netBSD (like openBSD, freeBSD et al) is "not really UNIX". > They are not. > [...legalisms...] This depends on what "really UNIX" is. There are many plausible meanings for it, and I see no particular reason to prefer yours over the far more common one, which is difficult to define but amounts to, more or less, "anything philosophically and APIly close to the V7 core". Eric Raymond wrote a piece about the SCO-vs-IBM flap, which is mostly neither here nor there, but it does have a worthwhile discussion of just what "Unix" means. http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html#id2791292 should take you straight to it. In his terms, you seem to want the word to mean some ill-defined cross between a genetic Unix and a trademark Unix. However, that is not how the word is normally used; in the usual sense of the term, {Net,Open,Free}BSD are Unix, as are Linux and a large variety of closed-source operating systems (some of which are genetic and/or trademark Unices as well). In any case, the whole debate is of little value. The remark which started it all off was more a political statement than a practical statement; while I both disagree with his political views on this matter and defend his right to hold them, I see no real point in discussing them further on-list. Thus, I'm shutting up unless someone can actually come up with something new to say on the subject. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Tue Feb 3 18:15:13 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040203181905.008cabe0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Joe R. > Sent: 03 February 2004 23:19 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: 'melted' tape roller > > The first trick is to find a tape drive with a good roller > and measure it's size. A lot of people make new (small) OK :) Anyone out there got a Sharp MZ80B they're willing to dismantle for me? 7 screws off the back of the monitor/tape drive housing and 5 screws to remove the mechanism after some careful cable unplugging, and watch for the monitor flyback transformer.... > sizes such as the HP-85. I've also build up the aluminium > rollers with layers of heatshrink tubing. HS works but it > wears fast and it's hard to get it exactly round. Right. Thinking cap on for me then....I was hoping for a spare part, but I guess something homegrown is more satisfying. Cheers! -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 3 17:57:12 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Need RT-11 on RX02 In-Reply-To: <088686D0-5610-11D8-9C6B-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> from "Doc Shipley" at Feb 3, 4 00:13:06 am Message-ID: > I gotta strip the RX02 I've been using. It squeals like a little > girl at power-up, and I want to catch that before it doesn't squeal > anymore.... Most of the time when an RX01/2 makes nasty noises, it's dry bearings on the spindle motor. You have to remve the front panel (screws from behind, swing up the controller card) and the the fan housing. Then unplug the mains harness to the drive motors (at the back, 3 pin socket to each drive, 15 pin plug into the PSU), unplug the drive wiring from the read/write board. Then undo the screws holding the drives in place (it can help to remove the PSU and/or the read/write card), and drop the drive out. Take the baseplate off the drive, loosen the nuts holding the motor down, and remove the belt. Then take off the nuts and ease the motor out. Remove the motor fan and pulley (the latter always has a setscrew, the former may do, or may be a push-fit with a springclip). Prise (pry?) the plastic covers off the ends of the motor bearings, and put a drop of ligth oil on each bearing. Then put it all back together. It probably took me longer to type this than it does to do the repair! -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 3 18:05:45 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: from "Witchy" at Feb 3, 4 06:40:32 pm Message-ID: > I've seen this phenomenon on the likes of printers etc but I've never seen > it on a tape drive. Basically the rubber that used to surround the wheel > that controls FF/REW/Play functions on the tapedeck in my newly acquired > Sharp MZ80B has melted to a sticky black compound that's run down the > housing and gummed up the tape wheels. You might find an 'idler tyre' for a VCR would work if you can get one the right size. You want to go to a _good_ VCR spares/repair place and see if they can match it up. I don't think an O-ring is very suitable here, you want something with a rectangluar cross-section. I believe classic car restorers use a 2-part 'rubber' compound to make thigns like pedal rubbers, seals, etc. I wonder if that could be used to make rollers, etc. Making the moulds would be fairly easy in a reasonable home workshop. Anyone know if said compound is available in the UK? I've got a roller to rebuild sometime. The platten roller for a Versatec V80 electrostatic plotter. It's turned to goo. This is a full-size platten, in 2 parts, with differential gearing between them (to keep the paper running straight!). Should be 'interesting' to repair... -tony From kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com Tue Feb 3 18:24:39 2004 From: kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com (Bruce Lane) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. Message-ID: <200402031624390475.11DDA40D@192.168.42.129> I thought for sure I'd left my computer collecting days far behind when my interest in amateur radio re-flared a few years back. Then I came across one heck of a piece of history that I could not resist. Specifically: An original Compaq 'Luggable.' Green-screen, 8-bit motherboard, two full-height 360K FDD's, the works. Found at a local thrift store, in pretty good shape (if a bit dirty) and still functional, for the stunning price of $18 with tax. I couldn't say no. The sight of the thing sitting on the floor, gathering dust and negligent kicks from other customers, was too much. God only knows what I'm going to do with it... Although I do have a nice IBM 8-bit MFM drive controller I'm going to stick in there, along with a hard drive. BTW, the thing had a fully-loaded AST SixPack Plus board in it. If this requires any drivers to work, I would appreciate knowing about it (and knowing where to find said drivers). Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 18:23:38 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: <000401c3e6ea$cdfa1400$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Curt vendel wrote: > Ultrix was written for MIPS processors wasn't it??? No, for the PDP-11 (V7M with DEC PDP-11 specifics plus 2.8BSD addons), then for the VAX series, then for the MIPS-based systems. --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 18:27:32 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: <001101c3e6f0$2450cb00$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Curt vendel wrote: > Ah! Sorry, I didn't get into Dec Vax stuff until 94' and didn't start > working with Ultrix till 95' I remember we got into the lab I think it > was a Dec Infoserver, their first webserver and it was running Ultrix as I > recall, I really liked the way Ultrix worked, much better then Solaris and > SunOS which I has also just gotten started using around 94' as well. > Actually, I think the infoserver was running OSF Unix??? Hmmmmm, brain > ain't what it used to be :-) InfoServers were boot-load servers that ran a very rudimentary system called ESS, which in turn was based on DEC's VAXeln runtime kernel for embedded systems. It was designed to efficiently offer disk (cd-rom and harddisk) and tape devices to the network, and used DEC protocols called LAD (LASTport/disk) and LASTport/tape for access to those "shared devices". --f From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Feb 3 18:31:58 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: <200402031624390475.11DDA40D@192.168.42.129> from "Bruce Lane" at Feb 03, 2004 04:24:39 PM Message-ID: <200402040031.i140Vw5e025643@onyx.spiritone.com> > I thought for sure I'd left my computer collecting days far > behind when my interest in amateur radio re-flared a few years back. > Then I came across one heck of a piece of history that I could not resist. Bruce, you have my condolences! Be smart, work at resisting, just toss it on eBay. And NO, I DO NOT want it! Zane From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 3 18:34:43 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: <200402032330.SAA28371@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, der Mouse wrote: > This depends on what "really UNIX" is. That is defined by law, these days, since the name, and adherence to its merits, was trademarked and eventually handed over to the XOpen guys for watching over. --f From msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG Tue Feb 3 18:40:09 2004 From: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? Message-ID: <0402040040.AA02222@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Some time ago I wrote on this list: : First there was Ultrix-11 : for PDP-11 (DEC's stolen V7 UNIX). It has been brought to my attention that the above has been interpreted differently from my intended meaning. I did not mean stolen in the negative legal/moral definition of this term (as in robbing someone of something), I meant it in the much more common programmers' vernacular definition of "stolen" as in "I stole this routine from...", without any negative meaning whatsoever. I apologise for the unintentional alternate meaning and its negative implications. MS From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 3 18:46:18 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: <200402031624390475.11DDA40D@192.168.42.129> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040203194618.008c0bc0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Hi Bruce, I used to have a Six Pack a LONG time ago and IIRC there wheren't "drivers" for it but it did have some utility programs. There was a RAM disk program, pair of utilites to set the real time clock and to read it and set the software clock, and a print buffer program. There were probably more but that's the ones that I remember. I don't know if I still have the programs but I'll look. Joe At 04:24 PM 2/3/04 -0800, you wrote: > I thought for sure I'd left my computer collecting days far behind when my interest in amateur radio re-flared a few years back. Then I came across one heck of a piece of history that I could not resist. > > Specifically: An original Compaq 'Luggable.' Green-screen, 8-bit motherboard, two full-height 360K FDD's, the works. Found at a local thrift store, in pretty good shape (if a bit dirty) and still functional, for the stunning price of $18 with tax. > > I couldn't say no. The sight of the thing sitting on the floor, gathering dust and negligent kicks from other customers, was too much. God only knows what I'm going to do with it... Although I do have a nice IBM 8-bit MFM drive controller I'm going to stick in there, along with a hard drive. > > BTW, the thing had a fully-loaded AST SixPack Plus board in it. If this requires any drivers to work, I would appreciate knowing about it (and knowing where to find said drivers). > > Thanks much. > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, >Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com >kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m >"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" > > > From mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Tue Feb 3 18:58:54 2004 From: mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Ultrix on an 11/730? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402040110.UAA29010@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> >> This depends on what "really UNIX" is. > That is defined by law, these days, since the name [is trademarked]. Trademark law is relevant only in the course of business in relevant matters. It has no particular relevance to informal casual conversation, such as this mailing list. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From cisin at xenosoft.com Tue Feb 3 19:21:26 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040203194618.008c0bc0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20040203194618.008c0bc0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040203171218.J47126@newshell.lmi.net> On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: > I used to have a Six Pack a LONG time ago and IIRC there wheren't > "drivers" for it but it did have some utility programs. There was a RAM > disk program, pair of utilites to set the real time clock and to read it > and set the software clock, and a print buffer program. There were probably > more but that's the ones that I remember. I don't know if I still have the > programs but I'll look. The print buffer and ramdisk software were generic to ANY memory, and were provided youst to be able to call the board a "SIX FUNCTION!" board, instead of "four function". There were two essential programs needed for the [8 bit] AST Six Pack: ASTCLOCK.COM reads the clock on the Six Pack and conveys the clock calendar info to the OS. Otherwise, DOS thinks that it is January 1, 1980, unless you manually enter a date and/or time. SETCLOCK.COM permits setting the time in the clock calendar of the Six Pack. 'course, if you are real quick in changing batteries BEFORE they go dead, then you could simply keep the time running. There was also an ASTCLOCK.C, and at least one or two of the assembly language books provided info on how to roll your own. They should be relatively easy to find on the web, if you look for ASTCLOCK. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From cisin at xenosoft.com Tue Feb 3 19:25:33 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: <200402031624390475.11DDA40D@192.168.42.129> References: <200402031624390475.11DDA40D@192.168.42.129> Message-ID: <20040203172327.Y47126@newshell.lmi.net> On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Bruce Lane wrote: > I thought for sure I'd left my computer collecting days far behind > when my interest in amateur radio re-flared a few years back. Then I > came across one heck of a piece of history that I could not resist. ... you try to leave, and they suck you back in, ... > Specifically: An original Compaq 'Luggable.' Green-screen, 8-bit > motherboard, two full-height 360K FDD's, the works. Found at a local > thrift store, in pretty good shape (if a bit dirty) and still > functional, for the stunning price of $18 with tax. That's all that it takes to get you back? > I couldn't say no. The sight of the thing sitting on the > floor, gathering dust and negligent kicks from other customers, was too > much. God only knows what I'm going to do with it... Although I do have > a nice IBM 8-bit MFM drive controller I'm going to stick in there, along > with a hard drive. Careful of the power rating. Mine was NOT happy with a 4096. > BTW, the thing had a fully-loaded AST SixPack Plus board in it. If > this requires any drivers to work, I would appreciate knowing about it > (and knowing where to find said drivers). ASTCLOCK.COM, SETCLOCK.COM Google? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From doc at mdrconsult.com Tue Feb 3 19:35:17 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Need RT-11 on RX02 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <634A661E-56B2-11D8-96A3-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 3, 2004, at 5:57 PM, Tony Duell wrote: >> I gotta strip the RX02 I've been using. It squeals like a little >> girl at power-up, and I want to catch that before it doesn't squeal >> anymore.... > > Most of the time when an RX01/2 makes nasty noises, it's dry bearings > on > the spindle motor. That's my take on it, from the sound. > It probably took me longer to type this than it does to do the repair! Thanks, Tony! It's going to be the weekend before I can do it, but I'm printing your post as I type this. More than any other brand, it seems that DEC stuff is dead simple to service if you know how, and impossible if you're playing by ear. Doc From donm at cts.com Tue Feb 3 19:50:51 2004 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: <200402031624390475.11DDA40D@192.168.42.129> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Bruce Lane wrote: > I thought for sure I'd left my computer collecting days far > behind when my interest in amateur radio re-flared a few years > back. Then I came across one heck of a piece of history that I > could not resist. > > Specifically: An original Compaq 'Luggable.' Green-screen, > 8-bit motherboard, two full-height 360K FDD's, the works. Found > at a local thrift store, in pretty good shape (if a bit dirty) > and still functional, for the stunning price of $18 with tax. > > I couldn't say no. The sight of the thing sitting > on the floor, gathering dust and negligent kicks from other > customers, was too much. God only knows what I'm going to do > with it... Although I do have a nice IBM 8-bit MFM drive > controller I'm going to stick in there, along with a hard drive. > > BTW, the thing had a fully-loaded AST SixPack Plus board in > it. If this requires any drivers to work, I would appreciate > knowing about it (and knowing where to find said drivers). > > Thanks much. > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, > Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com > kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m > "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped > with surreal ports?" Bruce, I have attached a file AST-6PAK.ZIP - which the rest of the folks won't see - that contains text and ascii drawings of the boards, and tables of switch settings. Hope it is useful to you. - don From vcf at siconic.com Tue Feb 3 20:46:56 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: <200402040031.i140Vw5e025643@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > I thought for sure I'd left my computer collecting days far > > behind when my interest in amateur radio re-flared a few years back. > > Then I came across one heck of a piece of history that I could not resist. > > Bruce, you have my condolences! Be smart, work at resisting, just toss it > on eBay. And NO, I DO NOT want it! Why do people go crazy over these things? They're just as common as Commodore 64's but far less interesting. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Feb 3 20:54:50 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: from "Vintage Computer Festival" at Feb 03, 2004 06:46:56 PM Message-ID: <200402040254.i142spaF029416@onyx.spiritone.com> > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > > I thought for sure I'd left my computer collecting days far > > > behind when my interest in amateur radio re-flared a few years back. > > > Then I came across one heck of a piece of history that I could not resist. > > > > Bruce, you have my condolences! Be smart, work at resisting, just toss it > > on eBay. And NO, I DO NOT want it! > > Why do people go crazy over these things? They're just as common as > Commodore 64's but far less interesting. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival I totally agree, and don't forget you can fit a C64, C1542, cables, and a bunch of carts and floppies in a lot less space. Plus the C64 has colour ;^) Zane From gerold.pauler at gmx.net Tue Feb 3 21:04:44 2004 From: gerold.pauler at gmx.net (Gerold Pauler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Help needed: AS33 understanding Reader Run Control References: <200402032124.NAA02636@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <4020614C.805@gmx.net> Hi, in the process of restoring one of my teletypes I decided to connect it to a PC. Send and receive work fine, but the tape reader does NOT work in line mode (local is no problem). It is an ASR33 relabeled by HP and has a HP Reader Run Control Card. I have put a schematic of this card online http://pdp8.de/download/HPtty.pdf (Couldn't figure out the types of T1 and D1 - so these can be a pnp or a zener diode also. Polarities of reader run signals (RDR+/RDR-) can also be wrong.) But I am too dump to understand how to connect the reader run signals. I'm not even sure what levels they should have. I just thought that a circuit identical to TX (on PC side aka RX on teletype) should do. If you need additional infos to help please let me know. TIA Gerold (pdp8.de) From huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au Tue Feb 3 21:04:01 2004 From: huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au (Huw Davies) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Help wanted with an Open VMS installation In-Reply-To: <000001c3ea47$2b970140$0200a8c0@Gamma> References: <000001c3ea47$2b970140$0200a8c0@Gamma> Message-ID: On 3 Feb 2004, at 22:16, Robin wrote: > Can anyone please help... > > I am trying to install OpenVMS 7.3-1 for the first time onto a DEC 3000 > Model 600, I have checked the compatibility of the hardware and the > console firmware is the latest version however the installation process > hangs with the message "%SWAPPER-I-SYSDISK, checking status of system > disk" > > Has anyone experienced this before. > > All help advice and suggestions gratefully received A quick check indicates that this is still a supported hardware platform. What does SHOW DEVICE give at the console (>>>) prompt? Are you sure that the disk is functional? Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies@kerberos.davies.net.au Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the Australia | air, the sky would be painted green" From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 3 21:12:21 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: <200402031624390475.11DDA40D@192.168.42.129> from "Bruce Lane" at Feb 3, 4 04:24:39 pm Message-ID: > BTW, the thing had a fully-loaded AST SixPack Plus board in it. If > this requires any drivers to work, I would appreciate knowing about it > (and knowing where to find said drivers). IIRC, the 'Sixpack' board has 6 functions (hence the name), but 2 of them are really software (print spooler and ? ). The 'hardware' ones are : Memory (up to the full 640K), serial port, parallel port, and real time clock. Only the clock needs a driver, the memory and ports are recognised by the normal ROM BIOS. -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 3 21:15:45 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Need RT-11 on RX02 In-Reply-To: <634A661E-56B2-11D8-96A3-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> from "Doc Shipley" at Feb 3, 4 07:35:17 pm Message-ID: > More than any other brand, it seems that DEC stuff is dead simple to > service if you know how, and impossible if you're playing by ear. All I can say to that is that I have never worked for DEC, and don't have access to any 'internal failed circus' manuals... In other words, _I_ had to 'play it by ear' the first time. And actually, the RX01/2 is not that hard to work on (at least not compared to some of the things I've had to sort out). Incidentally, I suspect I'm one of the few people to trace RX01 problems using a KM11 card (or actually a copy of same) plugged into the test connector... -tony From cisin at xenosoft.com Tue Feb 3 21:25:03 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: <200402040254.i142spaF029416@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200402040254.i142spaF029416@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <20040203192207.A50742@newshell.lmi.net> [Compaq luggable] > > Why do people go crazy over these things? They're just as common as > > Commodore 64's but far less interesting. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > I totally agree, and don't forget you can fit a C64, C1542, cables, and a > bunch of carts and floppies in a lot less space. Plus the C64 has colour > ;^) You can fit a LOT in one of them! At Comdex, the late night security people would leave the computers alone, but they stole our beer, our cheese and crackers, our cookies, etc. So,... We made a big lunchbox out of a Compaq. Our food was safe, hidden in it. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From nico at farumdata.dk Wed Feb 4 01:21:20 2004 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. References: <200402040254.i142spaF029416@onyx.spiritone.com> <20040203192207.A50742@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <000601c3eaef$7d092320$2201a8c0@finans> > At Comdex, the late night security people would leave the computers alone, > but they stole our beer, our cheese and crackers, our cookies, etc. > So,... We made a big lunchbox out of a Compaq. Our food was safe, hidden > in it. > That reminds me of a project that came to nothing. Back in the late 80's / early 90's, Trace sold a 5.25" floppy disk autoloader. A customer thought that it looked like a coffee maker. I thought it would be a marvellous idea to have such a beast as a display item, but the mechanical work involved proved to be too much :-( Nico From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Wed Feb 4 03:23:58 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell > Sent: 04 February 2004 00:06 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: 'melted' tape roller > > You might find an 'idler tyre' for a VCR would work if you > can get one the right size. You want to go to a _good_ VCR > spares/repair place and see if they can match it up. Hmm. Pity the only good repairs place round here closed down a couple of years ago; never found out why. There's one more but he's one of the grumpiest people I've ever come across. > I don't think an O-ring is very suitable here, you want > something with a rectangluar cross-section. Does it have to be? Though I suppose I need something that's solid and not liable to shift around so the speed of the drive will be constant. > wonder if that could be used to make rollers, etc. Making the > moulds would be fairly easy in a reasonable home workshop. > Anyone know if said compound is available in the UK? There's a car interior restorer just down the road from here - they might know, though with a name like 'northumbrian leather interiors' they might not :) > This is a full-size platten, in 2 parts, with differential > gearing between them (to keep the paper running straight!). > Should be 'interesting' to repair... Ick - sounds like fun! Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 4 05:14:45 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: I have no willpower... I need drivers, too. In-Reply-To: References: <200402031624390475.11DDA40D@192.168.42.129> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040204061445.0082b670@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 03:12 AM 2/4/04 +0000, you wrote: >> BTW, the thing had a fully-loaded AST SixPack Plus board in it. If >> this requires any drivers to work, I would appreciate knowing about it >> (and knowing where to find said drivers). > >IIRC, the 'Sixpack' board has 6 functions (hence the name), but 2 of them >are really software (print spooler and ? ). RAMdisk. The 'hardware' ones are : >Memory (up to the full 640K), serial port, parallel port, and real time >clock. Only the clock needs a driver, the memory and ports are recognised >by the normal ROM BIOS. No driver for the clock, just two small programs. One to set the RT clock and another to read it and set the softare clock. I THINK there were some other programs included but I can't remember what they were. Joe > >-tony > From gerold.pauler at gmx.net Wed Feb 4 06:58:44 2004 From: gerold.pauler at gmx.net (Gerold Pauler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Help needed: AS33 understanding Reader Run Control References: <200402032124.NAA02636@clulw009.amd.com> <4020614C.805@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4020EC84.80000@gmx.net> Hi, it must have been far too late this morning. After a little sleep, I found out what went wrong. Both sides HP in the Reader Run Control an I in the RSR232 -> 20 mA converter made assumptions on how the other end handles the signals. HP thinks TX+ (positiv wire of transmit) is permanently tied to Vcc and TX- is floating (on signal). And RX- (negativ wire of receive) is permanently tied to GND with TX+ floating. I did it the other way - tying TX- to GND and RX+ to Vcc. So the reader run control could not work. I now will rework my converter box and show the result (if wanted). Thanks to all who answered Gerold Gerold Pauler schrieb: > Hi, > > in the process of restoring one of my teletypes I decided > to connect it to a PC. Send and receive work fine, but the > tape reader does NOT work in line mode (local is no problem). > > It is an ASR33 relabeled by HP and has a HP Reader Run Control Card. > I have put a schematic of this card online > http://pdp8.de/download/HPtty.pdf > (Couldn't figure out the types of T1 and D1 - so these can be a pnp or > a zener diode also. Polarities of reader run signals (RDR+/RDR-) can > also be wrong.) > > But I am too dump to understand how to connect the reader run signals. > I'm not even sure what levels they should have. > I just thought that a circuit identical to TX (on PC side aka RX on > teletype) should do. > > If you need additional infos to help please let me know. > > TIA > Gerold (pdp8.de) From cb at mythtech.net Wed Feb 4 08:39:17 2004 From: cb at mythtech.net (chris) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Restoring old floppies to usable state Message-ID: > The answer is absolutely maybe. It really depends >on the original cause. Try running some test with >a known good drive. Formats appear to go ok, and basic testing (writing data to and reading from) appear to work ok. I haven't tried a real stress utility yet. > You didn't state what you were running on? Things >like Nortons disk doctor have good serface test. Right now, running on an old Mac. I'll run a few disks thru a PC to use better surface testing tools (any of my good Mac tools are either not readily available, or will only run on newer macs that have problems with 800k disks in the best of situations, so I wouldn't be able to trust the results to the disk or the mac being the source of error) Thanks -chris From marvin at rain.org Wed Feb 4 10:21:03 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Looking for HDOS diskette layout Message-ID: <40211BEF.75022DAD@rain.org> I read this on the Heath listserver, and figured someone here would be able to help him out :). Reply to him directly as I don't *think* he is on this listserver. *************** Subject: Looking for HDOS diskette layout Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:45:01 -0700 From: "Eric J. Rothfus" Does anyone know or have a reference regarding the layout of the HDOS (H8/H19) diskette and filesystem? The generic HDOS documentation doesn't include it. I'm looking mainly for the way that HDOS organizes files on the diskette and the format of the directory track. I will be creating software that can add/remove files from an image of an HDOS floppy. This is in continuing development of the SVD (www.rothfus.com/SVD). The SVD can now boot the H8 and will soon be tested on the H19 (thanks Jack!). Thanks! Eric From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 4 10:31:55 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote: > Hmm. Pity the only good repairs place round here closed down a couple of > years ago; never found out why. There's one more but he's one of the > grumpiest people I've ever come across. You would be too if everyone just threw out their broken VCR and bought a new one instead of trying to have it repaired :\ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From lyosnorezel at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 12:29:26 2004 From: lyosnorezel at yahoo.com (Lyos Norezel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? Message-ID: <20040203182926.63306.qmail@web41704.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all... I am currently in the process of designing (and hopefully later building) a dual Z80 laptop. The datasheets don't tell me near enough... schematics would be much better... the problem is most homebuilt computers seem to revlove around the 6502 family (at least those on the 'net do). If anyone could point me to where I can find some Z80 schematics I'd greatly apprieciate it. Lyos Gemini Norezel BTW... I hope my english is clear enough to everyone here. Scottish/Celtic is my native tongue. Spanish name, Scottish background... strange mix, eh? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! From lyosnorezel at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 12:29:26 2004 From: lyosnorezel at yahoo.com (Lyos Norezel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? Message-ID: <20040203182926.63306.qmail@web41704.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all... I am currently in the process of designing (and hopefully later building) a dual Z80 laptop. The datasheets don't tell me near enough... schematics would be much better... the problem is most homebuilt computers seem to revlove around the 6502 family (at least those on the 'net do). If anyone could point me to where I can find some Z80 schematics I'd greatly apprieciate it. Lyos Gemini Norezel BTW... I hope my english is clear enough to everyone here. Scottish/Celtic is my native tongue. Spanish name, Scottish background... strange mix, eh? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! From maya2blue at juno.com Tue Feb 3 15:09:06 2004 From: maya2blue at juno.com (Harve) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: True Data Corp Apple card Message-ID: <20040203.130952.4168.124391@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> I have come across an Apple IIe with a True Data Corporation card in it. S/N 0267 model 350405901 rev a cable out to 25pin female D 4 dip switches Sure would like to know what it is for! :) And, of course, would love to find the dip switch info. Many Tks Harve ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From will1860 at sisna.com Tue Feb 3 18:10:43 2004 From: will1860 at sisna.com (Paul Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: scanning fiche Message-ID: <000a01c3eab3$56665b20$53f21204@bumskkdz> Greetings, Do you remember the company in India that does the scan and return on CD -- how I can get in touch with them? Thank you From r.lasbury at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 4 03:14:49 2004 From: r.lasbury at ntlworld.com (Robin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Help wanted with an Open VMS installation Message-ID: <000001c3eaff$57e5e4b0$0200a8c0@Gamma> Nothing happens at all when I press CTRL-T Up to the point where it hangs all seems to be going well. I boot with the flags 0,20000 so I can see what is going on and there are plenty of messages showing certain files being loaded and configured etc. All of the %EXECINIT processes appear to load OK and then it changes to the %SWAPPER messages and this all hangs with the second %SWAPPER message where it checks the status of the system disk !!! Robin _____ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 1845 Spam messages and set aside 241 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Feb 4 12:04:24 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? Message-ID: Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of information to us. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From frank at artair.com Wed Feb 4 12:44:17 2004 From: frank at artair.com (Frank Smith) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: 5.25 disks/programs available In-Reply-To: <177.251fb5e8.2d514eeb@aol.com> References: <177.251fb5e8.2d514eeb@aol.com> Message-ID: <86230000.1075920257@hoovers-59.hoovers.com> I'd like the Turbo C and Turbo C++ if they are still available. Let me know how much (78747 zip). Thanks Frank --On Tuesday, February 03, 2004 14:22:19 -0500 SUPRDAVE@aol.com wrote: > I scavenged some old disks from someone that was cleaning up their office > after moving. Listed below is some items someone might want. Otherwise, I'll just > format and keep them for extras. They all look like new and seem to be > unused. > > system disks for Dell system200 pc. DOS/gwbasic/utilities > borland turboC 1986 5disk set > Microtek USD-III 1.0 5 disk set > x6800 assembler > something called matrix desktop. 8 disk set > Turbo C++ 10 disk set > procomm plus 2 disk set > MS mouse and paintbrush, several copies of each > MSDOS 4.01 from TRC techology research. Has the old style ms logo on them. 6 > disk set > MS windows 3.0 from z-nix company 5 disk set > > pay for shipping and they can be yours -- Frank Smith frank@artair.com From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Feb 4 12:51:49 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question Message-ID: <1edf01c3eb4f$f265afc0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> I have an IBM PC 5150 system unit and keyboard. I popped the cover and it has a Paradise Multi Video or somesuch card in it. The card has two DB9 connectors, an RCA connector in the middle, and a little slide switch at the top. Here's the deal: I'd like someday to find an authentic IBM brand monitor for this. However, I'm not sure if it is mono, CGA, or EGA, or composite, or all of the above. I'm curious how hard it is to find the right real IBM monitor for this system. If it's fairly hard to find one these days, I will go pull the Epson Equity I+ CGA (or is it EGA, it's color and has 9 pins) monitor out of the trash to use if I have little hope of getting the IBM one. So, can someone tell me what monitors types are likely to work with this card, if those are hard/expensive to find (or if someone has one for trade), or if those are nigh impossible to find, will the Epson monitor work on it? Thanks for any thoughts! Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Wed Feb 4 12:59:59 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Vintage > Computer Festival > Sent: 04 February 2004 16:32 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: 'melted' tape roller > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote: > > > Hmm. Pity the only good repairs place round here closed > down a couple > > of years ago; never found out why. There's one more but he's one of > > the grumpiest people I've ever come across. > > You would be too if everyone just threw out their broken VCR > and bought a new one instead of trying to have it repaired :\ Yes, there is that, particularly since he charged something like ukp50 just to look at something (he does hi-fis, tv's and microwaves too) - the one that closed down was half his costs which is why I used them more. Actually, you've just reminded me of a big repair place not far from here that may have a Big Box of old spares they keep just for people like me to wander in and rifle through :) Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Feb 4 12:56:58 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: HP-UX CD & tape media loan? Who had it! Message-ID: <1ee501c3eb50$aa7c74e0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Quite some time ago I loaned out my 5-CD HP-UX media set (plus some 4mm DAT tapes of layered products) to someone on the list to duplicate. I was making room in the collection for my D220 system yesterday and went to reinstall the OS, and can't find my media set anywhere. I know where I can borrow a copy, but I want my originals back. Can the listmember who borrowed them from me let me know if they still have them, or if they sent them back to me and I just can't find them. I'd query the list member directly but can't seem to find the emails that were exchanged in private about it. Thanks! Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Feb 4 12:57:59 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: Message-ID: <1ee901c3eb50$ceb0a520$033310ac@kwcorp.com> they forced me to do it like a year ago. Perhaps they are just now getting to the Z's :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zane H. Healy" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? > Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of information to us. > > Zane > -- > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From cisin at xenosoft.com Wed Feb 4 13:01:27 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: 5.25 disks/programs available In-Reply-To: <86230000.1075920257@hoovers-59.hoovers.com> References: <177.251fb5e8.2d514eeb@aol.com> <86230000.1075920257@hoovers-59.hoovers.com> Message-ID: <20040204105620.G66212@newshell.lmi.net> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Frank Smith wrote: > I'd like the Turbo C and Turbo C++ if they are still available. > Let me know how much (78747 zip). > Thanks > Frank If they are not still available, be aware of the availability of free download of "obsolete" Borland products. >From http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-programmer-faq/part5/section-10.html "Borland has issued free versions of several Borland C and Pascal compilers. Users can download the Borland C++ Compiler 5.5 from . It is an ANSI compliant C++ compiler for Win32 with a number of extra feature; however, it does not include a GUI and does not appear to support MS-DOS executables. Users can also download Turbo Pascal 1.0, 3.02, and 5.5 and Turbo C 1.01 and 2.01 from the Borland Community Museum if they first register as Borland Community members at . " From marvin at rain.org Wed Feb 4 13:09:59 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:07 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: Message-ID: <40214387.775BD674@rain.org> "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > > Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of information to us. Yes, mine was also changed *without* my permission. IMNSHO, they are attempting to divert attention from the incompetant operations people. They are idiots. From bli at psu.edu Wed Feb 4 13:12:36 2004 From: bli at psu.edu (Jeff Brendle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <1ee901c3eb50$ceb0a520$033310ac@kwcorp.com> References: <1ee901c3eb50$ceb0a520$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <1789B5D6-5746-11D8-8F62-000A27917E58@psu.edu> I was forced to change mine yesterday... I guess it wasn't done in alpha. order, maybe by date of signing-up or ??? -j On Feb 4, 2004, at 1:57 PM, Jay West wrote: > they forced me to do it like a year ago. Perhaps they are just now > getting > to the Z's :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zane H. Healy" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:04 PM > Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? > > >> Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had >> an > account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email > address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change > all of > us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow > of > information to us. >> >> Zane >> -- >> -- >> | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | >> | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | >> | | Classic Computer Collector | >> +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >> | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >> | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | >> | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | >> > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > Jeff Brendle Office: 313 EESB/(814)865-3257/fax 865-3191 Desktop Support Spv. Home: #210 Parkgate 349 Toftrees Ave. Penn State - Coll. of E&MS State College, PA / (814)861-8180 Mailto:bli@psu.edu AOL/MSN/Yahoo! IM - JSBrendle From dittman at dittman.net Wed Feb 4 13:23:59 2004 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: from "Zane H. Healy" at Feb 04, 2004 10:04:24 AM Message-ID: <20040204192400.07A6A7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> > Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? > I've had an account for over 6 years and I predate the rules > against using an email address. Looks like the b******* have > decided to forcefully change all of us using email addresses > for our ID's so as to better control the flow of information > to us. Create an "About Me" page with your email address. That will bypass their control, until they start scrubbing those for email addresses. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From cisin at xenosoft.com Wed Feb 4 13:31:09 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <1edf01c3eb4f$f265afc0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> References: <1edf01c3eb4f$f265afc0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <20040204111923.Q66212@newshell.lmi.net> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jay West wrote: > I have an IBM PC 5150 system unit and keyboard. I popped the cover and it > has a Paradise Multi Video or somesuch card in it. The card has two DB9 > connectors, an RCA connector in the middle, and a little slide switch at the > top. > Here's the deal: I'd like someday to find an authentic IBM brand monitor for > this. However, I'm not sure if it is mono, CGA, or EGA, or composite, or all First, decide what YOU want. Then discard the oddball video card if it isn't what you want. It is probably a combination MDA/CGA. Be aware that IBM MDA monitors can actually be damaged if you feed them CGA signal rates!, thus making such a combination card a serious liability risk. Your choices for video on an 8 bit system using IBM monitors include: MDA (80 x 25 B&W text) CGA (80 x 25 color text, graphics up to 640 x 200 B&W, 320 x 200 color) Aftermarket CGA boards higher res CGA (640 x 400), MGA (aftermarket (Hercules and hercules clone) board only, 80 x 25 B&W text, graphics up to 720 x 348 B&W) EGA VGA (real IBM 8 bit VGA cards are a bit scarce these days, but aftermarket abounds) Aftermarket also includes board and monitor 1280 x 800 B&W (Wyse 700/Amdek 1280) From msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG Wed Feb 4 13:36:52 2004 From: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question Message-ID: <0402041936.AA03258@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Fred Cisin wrote: > real IBM 8 bit VGA cards are a bit scarce these days I'm looking for one and am willing to pay fair antique value. MS From jwest at classiccmp.org Wed Feb 4 13:44:04 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question References: <1edf01c3eb4f$f265afc0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <20040204111923.Q66212@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <1f2201c3eb57$3eb2e760$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Yikes... just found a few on Ebay... 100 bucks? Sheesh! Someone have one they can trade? Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Cisin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: Re: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jay West wrote: > > I have an IBM PC 5150 system unit and keyboard. I popped the cover and it > > has a Paradise Multi Video or somesuch card in it. The card has two DB9 > > connectors, an RCA connector in the middle, and a little slide switch at the > > top. > > Here's the deal: I'd like someday to find an authentic IBM brand monitor for > > this. However, I'm not sure if it is mono, CGA, or EGA, or composite, or all > > First, decide what YOU want. Then discard the oddball video card if it > isn't what you want. It is probably a combination MDA/CGA. Be aware that > IBM MDA monitors can actually be damaged if you feed them CGA signal > rates!, thus making such a combination card a serious liability risk. > > Your choices for video on an 8 bit system using IBM monitors include: > MDA (80 x 25 B&W text) > CGA (80 x 25 color text, graphics up to 640 x 200 B&W, 320 x 200 color) > Aftermarket CGA boards higher res CGA (640 x 400), > MGA (aftermarket (Hercules and hercules clone) board only, 80 x 25 B&W > text, graphics up to 720 x 348 B&W) > EGA > VGA (real IBM 8 bit VGA cards are a bit scarce these days, but aftermarket > abounds) > > Aftermarket also includes board and monitor 1280 x 800 B&W (Wyse 700/Amdek > 1280) > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Feb 4 14:07:03 2004 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <1789B5D6-5746-11D8-8F62-000A27917E58@psu.edu> Message-ID: > I was forced to change mine yesterday... I guess it wasn't done in > alpha. order, maybe by date of signing-up or ??? > -j > BTW, the reason they're doing this is to help prevent people from being victimized by phishing scams. g. From geneb at deltasoft.com Wed Feb 4 14:07:47 2004 From: geneb at deltasoft.com (Gene Buckle) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <40214387.775BD674@rain.org> Message-ID: My, what a shiny tinfoil hat you have! g. On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > > > > Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of information to us. > > Yes, mine was also changed *without* my permission. IMNSHO, they are > attempting to divert attention from the incompetant operations people. > They are idiots. > From tomj at wps.com Wed Feb 4 14:22:49 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Restoring old floppies to usable state In-Reply-To: <200402032124.NAA02636@clulw009.amd.com> References: <200402032124.NAA02636@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <1075925430.2091.4.camel@dhcp-251175> There are also chemical/mechanical problems with magnetic media; the binder that holds the iron oxides to the mylar substrate fail over time. eg. the bits physically flake off. I would guess it's highly brand-dependent, and secndarily by handling, flexing, temp, envionment, as Dwight sez, an absolute maybe! On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 13:24, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > Hi Chris > The answer is absolutely maybe. It really depends > on the original cause. Try running some test with > a known good drive. > You didn't state what you were running on? Things > like Nortons disk doctor have good serface test. > Dwight > > >From: chris > > > >Will a magnetic bulk eraser restore a floppy to good status? > > > >I have some floppies that are reporting bad sectors when formatted. I've > >tried bulk erasing them, and a format afterwards reports no bad sectors. > >Is this actually working, or am I just getting lucky, and those bad > >sectors will return shortly. > > > >These are DSDD 3.5's which are getting a little harder to come by. So if > >bulk erasing works, then I'll do that and salvage them. > > > >-chris > > > > > > > From paulpenn at knology.net Wed Feb 4 14:12:27 2004 From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul Pennington) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? References: <20040203182926.63306.qmail@web41704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006201c3eb5b$361fa260$6401a8c0@knology.net> "Lyos Norezel" asked: > Hey all... I am currently in the process of designing (and hopefully later building) a > dual Z80 laptop. The datasheets don't tell me near enough... schematics would be > much better... the problem is most homebuilt computers seem to revlove around > the 6502 family (at least those on the 'net do). If anyone could point me to where > I can find some Z80 schematics I'd greatly apprieciate it. There have been a bunch of Z-80 projects over the years. Two books that describe Z-80 construction projects are: Z-80 Microcomputer Design Projects, by William Barden, Jr., Sams, 1980 Build Your Own Z80 Computer, by Steve Ciarcia, Byte Books, 1981 One other thought: just pick up a Texas Instruments 83+ calculator -- it has a Z-80 as its CPU. > Lyos Gemini Norezel > BTW... I hope my english is clear enough to everyone here. Scottish/Celtic is my native tongue. Spanish name, Scottish background... strange mix, eh? Not that strange -- after the destruction of the Spanish Armada, sailors who swam ashore are supposed to have started several Spanish lines. I have a line from Scotland in my family tree with the name Caudill. There is speculation it was originally Cordillo. Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia From curt at atarimuseum.com Wed Feb 4 14:12:42 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: <1ee901c3eb50$ceb0a520$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <001c01c3eb5b$3f2e8330$1a02a8c0@starship1> They just don't want people directly talking to one another, God forbid.... only through their controlling environment, sheeez people can't even talk to one another without evilbay watching over them. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay West" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? > they forced me to do it like a year ago. Perhaps they are just now getting > to the Z's :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zane H. Healy" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:04 PM > Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? > > > > Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an > account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email > address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of > us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of > information to us. > > > > Zane > > -- > > -- > > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > > | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > > | | Classic Computer Collector | > > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > From tomj at wps.com Wed Feb 4 14:29:51 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075925857.2091.11.camel@dhcp-251175> On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 16:05, Tony Duell wrote: > You might find an 'idler tyre' for a VCR would work if you can get one > the right size. You want to go to a _good_ VCR spares/repair place and > see if they can match it up. YOu can also turn rubber pretty easily on a small drill press. The real chore is to chuck it so it rotates concentrically. I've had to manufacture a new rubber anvil wheel for a 1920's Western Union machine, a tire about 2" diam x 1/4" wide. Came out quite nice. I got some 60-durometer neoprene sheet (from Industrial Metal Supply, Sun Valley CA), chopped it roundish, hole-sawed it (large hole) and just jammed it over a giant mill bit. It's rubber; it grips. If the tape drive spindle that the 'tire' fits over is say 1/2" diameter, drill a slightly smaller hole in the rubber, and chuck a 1/2" 'thing' in the drill press. Press the tire on. It won't grip hard, but enough for engine turning. Turn the drill press on, and use a rough file to get it the right size and shape. Then apply sandpaper on a wooden block. Can't use much pressure else the tire flies off. I used the drill press table as a hand rest. You can get the surface nice and smoothly rough with sandpaper. tomj > > I don't think an O-ring is very suitable here, you want something with > a rectangluar cross-section. > > I believe classic car restorers use a 2-part 'rubber' compound to make > thigns like pedal rubbers, seals, etc. I wonder if that could be used to > make rollers, etc. Making the moulds would be fairly easy in a reasonable > home workshop. Anyone know if said compound is available in the UK? > > I've got a roller to rebuild sometime. The platten roller for a Versatec > V80 electrostatic plotter. It's turned to goo. This is a full-size > platten, in 2 parts, with differential gearing between them (to keep the > paper running straight!). Should be 'interesting' to repair... > > -tony From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 4 14:14:54 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <1edf01c3eb4f$f265afc0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040204151454.0080e100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Jay, I can't be certain what your card takes but most cards like that took CGA, Monochrome and/or composite monitor. You're right, the old IBM PC stuff is getting hard to find. I started looking for it about 1 1/2 years ago and I haven't found a single one in the surplus places. Kelvin in Atlanta is still finding an occasional one in the thrift stores. He also found one at Weird stuff a couple of months ago. Joe At 12:51 PM 2/4/04 -0600, you wrote: >I have an IBM PC 5150 system unit and keyboard. I popped the cover and it >has a Paradise Multi Video or somesuch card in it. The card has two DB9 >connectors, an RCA connector in the middle, and a little slide switch at the >top. > >Here's the deal: I'd like someday to find an authentic IBM brand monitor for >this. However, I'm not sure if it is mono, CGA, or EGA, or composite, or all >of the above. I'm curious how hard it is to find the right real IBM monitor >for this system. If it's fairly hard to find one these days, I will go pull >the Epson Equity I+ CGA (or is it EGA, it's color and has 9 pins) monitor >out of the trash to use if I have little hope of getting the IBM one. > >So, can someone tell me what monitors types are likely to work with this >card, if those are hard/expensive to find (or if someone has one for trade), >or if those are nigh impossible to find, will the Epson monitor work on it? > >Thanks for any thoughts! > >Jay West > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 4 14:19:46 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: new finds: Panasonic High Speed Scanner KV-SS855 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040204151946.00887cb0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Found this today. Is anyone familar with them? Joe From tomj at wps.com Wed Feb 4 14:35:32 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Looking for HDOS diskette layout In-Reply-To: <40211BEF.75022DAD@rain.org> References: <40211BEF.75022DAD@rain.org> Message-ID: <1075926199.2312.14.camel@dhcp-251175> On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 08:21, Marvin Johnston wrote: > Does anyone know or have a reference regarding the > layout of the HDOS (H8/H19) diskette and filesystem? > The generic HDOS documentation doesn't include it. Isn't it just CP/M 1.4? From marvin at rain.org Wed Feb 4 14:23:22 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: <1ee901c3eb50$ceb0a520$033310ac@kwcorp.com> <001c01c3eb5b$3f2e8330$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: <402154BA.176D3D11@rain.org> Curt vendel wrote: > > They just don't want people directly talking to one another, God forbid.... > only through their controlling environment, sheeez people can't even talk to > one another without evilbay watching over them. I think they are trying to make it harder to harvest email addresses. Kind of like hoping that people as incompetant as they, are doing the harvesting and can't find a way around it :). It is still legal AFAIK to use an email ID such as twerps_at_ebay_com. Dwight, I have some *strong* opinions about the way ebay effectively took advantage of those of us who helped promote the site, and then screws them :)!!! From marvin at rain.org Wed Feb 4 14:26:27 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question References: <3.0.6.32.20040204151454.0080e100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <40215573.CC877B99@rain.org> "Joe R." wrote: > > I can't be certain what your card takes but most cards like that took > CGA, Monochrome and/or composite monitor. You're right, the old IBM PC > stuff is getting hard to find. I started looking for it about 1 1/2 years > ago and I haven't found a single one in the surplus places. Kelvin in > Atlanta is still finding an occasional one in the thrift stores. He also > found one at Weird stuff a couple of months ago. Thanks to a heads up about this several years ago by Sellam, I started collecting real IBM cards, software, computers, etc. However, it has been a year or so since I've seen real IBM PCs or ATs except for the PS/2 stuff. In this latest cleanup/throw out binge, at least I get a chance to find and see it again :). From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 4 14:37:02 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <40215573.CC877B99@rain.org> References: <3.0.6.32.20040204151454.0080e100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040204153702.008a4490@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Marvin, If you get ready to throw out more of it, let me know. I have an early 5150 with the 64k MB and MDA. Joe At 12:26 PM 2/4/04 -0800, you wrote: > > >"Joe R." wrote: >> >> I can't be certain what your card takes but most cards like that took >> CGA, Monochrome and/or composite monitor. You're right, the old IBM PC >> stuff is getting hard to find. I started looking for it about 1 1/2 years >> ago and I haven't found a single one in the surplus places. Kelvin in >> Atlanta is still finding an occasional one in the thrift stores. He also >> found one at Weird stuff a couple of months ago. > >Thanks to a heads up about this several years ago by Sellam, I started >collecting real IBM cards, software, computers, etc. However, it has >been a year or so since I've seen real IBM PCs or ATs except for the >PS/2 stuff. In this latest cleanup/throw out binge, at least I get a >chance to find and see it again :). > From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Wed Feb 4 14:48:44 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: BT Merlin Tonto screen buzzing/screeching Message-ID: Hi folks, I don't think this is restricted to the Merlin Tonto (Sinclair QL remade by ICL as the One-Per-Desk office companion and rebadged by British Telecom and New Zealand Telecom) since they didn't make the monitor: http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/Museum/icl/opd.php http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/Museum/icl/tonto.php I dug it out of storage tonight because this morning I got a load of handbooks and manuals as well as the original BT Merlin software set in nice blue wallets, and since it worked a year ago (as you can see in the pix) and has simply sat on a shelf in the house since then I just fired it up. Machine is fine and self-tests then beeps while its prompting for the date....fine....I hit the power button on the monitor and it just screeches at me before I quickly turn it off - it sounds like the wires on the yoke ringing loudly so is it possible the poor thing is objecting to being moved from a not-so-heated room to a heated one? The storage room is warm enough in winter that it doesn't go below freezing point (and it's very dry too), but in the last couple of days here it's been in the low 50s farenheit. Anyone seen screeching monitors before? Cheers :) -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From geoffreythomas at onetel.net.uk Wed Feb 4 14:43:40 2004 From: geoffreythomas at onetel.net.uk (Geoffrey Thomas) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller References: Message-ID: <003301c3eb61$6cfbc420$bf414ed5@geoff> Only too true, not too long ago , a company was advertising the bare rubber sections for pinch rollers etc. for almost any Vcr you could mention - I haven't seen them advertise for months , and the phone no. is no longer valid. - They are (were?) JJ Electronics somewhere in London nw9. Geoff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: RE: 'melted' tape roller > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote: > > > Hmm. Pity the only good repairs place round here closed down a couple of > > years ago; never found out why. There's one more but he's one of the > > grumpiest people I've ever come across. > > You would be too if everyone just threw out their broken VCR and bought a > new one instead of trying to have it repaired :\ > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > From curt at atarimuseum.com Wed Feb 4 15:04:45 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: <1ee901c3eb50$ceb0a520$033310ac@kwcorp.com><001c01c3eb5b$3f2e8330$1a02a8c0@starship1> <402154BA.176D3D11@rain.org> Message-ID: <005101c3eb62$847c5910$1a02a8c0@starship1> Well, I doubt thats gonna do any good as it seems someone from the inside is feeding/selling user accounts, I've never used my email address anywhere on ebay, yet I've received plenty of ebay related scammer emails with some personal ebay only info contained within them.... Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Johnston" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? > > > Curt vendel wrote: > > > > They just don't want people directly talking to one another, God forbid.... > > only through their controlling environment, sheeez people can't even talk to > > one another without evilbay watching over them. > > I think they are trying to make it harder to harvest email addresses. > Kind of like hoping that people as incompetant as they, are doing the > harvesting and can't find a way around it :). It is still legal AFAIK to > use an email ID such as twerps_at_ebay_com. > > Dwight, I have some *strong* opinions about the way ebay effectively > took advantage of those of us who helped promote the site, and then > screws them :)!!! From dwight.elvey at amd.com Wed Feb 4 15:14:29 2004 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Looking for HDOS diskette layout Message-ID: <200402042114.NAA03879@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Tom Nope. HDOS is a completely different OS. As I recall, the directory is somplace in the middle of the disk. Dwight >From: "Tom Jennings" > >On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 08:21, Marvin Johnston wrote: > >> Does anyone know or have a reference regarding the >> layout of the HDOS (H8/H19) diskette and filesystem? >> The generic HDOS documentation doesn't include it. > >Isn't it just CP/M 1.4? > > From marvin at rain.org Wed Feb 4 15:29:32 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question References: <3.0.6.32.20040204151454.0080e100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.32.20040204153702.008a4490@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <4021643C.5E1E1624@rain.org> I should have mentioned, the clean up involves junk ... as opposed to junque :) ... that is actually going to the scrap yard. I've got most of the IBM PCs including the 64K with 16K soldered in memory chips. I do plan on putting a bunch of stuff on the Vintage Computer Marketplace in the not too distant future. And along the way, there are people still waiting for me to get to some stuff. If anyone feels I've forgotten them, I probably have and a reminder is not out of order :). "Joe R." wrote: > > Marvin, > > If you get ready to throw out more of it, let me know. I have an early > 5150 with the 64k MB and MDA. > > Joe > > At 12:26 PM 2/4/04 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > >"Joe R." wrote: > >> > >> I can't be certain what your card takes but most cards like that took > >> CGA, Monochrome and/or composite monitor. You're right, the old IBM PC > >> stuff is getting hard to find. I started looking for it about 1 1/2 years > >> ago and I haven't found a single one in the surplus places. Kelvin in > >> Atlanta is still finding an occasional one in the thrift stores. He also > >> found one at Weird stuff a couple of months ago. > > > >Thanks to a heads up about this several years ago by Sellam, I started > >collecting real IBM cards, software, computers, etc. However, it has > >been a year or so since I've seen real IBM PCs or ATs except for the > >PS/2 stuff. In this latest cleanup/throw out binge, at least I get a > >chance to find and see it again :). > > From cb at mythtech.net Wed Feb 4 15:36:44 2004 From: cb at mythtech.net (chris) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question Message-ID: >You're right, the old IBM PC >stuff is getting hard to find. I started looking for it about 1 1/2 years >ago and I haven't found a single one in the surplus places. I have two IBM 5150 machines, and possibly one monocrome IBM screen to match (but I'm pretty sure the screen is broken). I've been trying to decide if I should throw them out, or attempt to ebay them (along with at least one IBM XT, and possibly an AT) -chris From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 4 15:53:39 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an > account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email > address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all > of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the > flow of information to us. Typical eBay. I think they play a game there where they come up with new and creative ways to piss off their users. If there were competition in that particular market sector then you better bet they would change their tune in an instant. eBay makes Microsoft look good. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From teoz at neo.rr.com Wed Feb 4 16:14:44 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: Message-ID: <012a01c3eb6c$4b791e50$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? > Typical eBay. I think they play a game there where they come up with new > and creative ways to piss off their users. If there were competition in > that particular market sector then you better bet they would change their > tune in an instant. > > eBay makes Microsoft look good. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival Considering that eBay is nothing more then a middleman between a buyer and a seller I can see why they would not want it to be easy for people using the system to communicate between each other through eBay. You can easily ask any seller a question you want for any active auction. My only problem with eBay to date is not being able to browse auctions more then a month old to find out the selling price history (or availability) of things I want to add to my collection. I haven't been burned by them yet so I cant comment on their customer support over disputes. From curt at atarimuseum.com Wed Feb 4 16:17:09 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40216F65.7070109@atarimuseum.com> Whoa!!! Sellam must REALLY hate ebay to make that kind of comparision! :-) Don't forget the other thing.... ebay raised its fee's to all the user accounts Monday, they cut off some refunds and oh...but they did reduced posting on their front page from $99.99 to $39.99 woo hoo :-P Curt Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > >>Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an >>account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email >>address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all >>of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the >>flow of information to us. >> >> > >Typical eBay. I think they play a game there where they come up with new >and creative ways to piss off their users. If there were competition in >that particular market sector then you better bet they would change their >tune in an instant. > >eBay makes Microsoft look good. > > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 4 16:33:50 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040204173350.008118c0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 04:36 PM 2/4/04 -0500, chris wrote: >>You're right, the old IBM PC >>stuff is getting hard to find. I started looking for it about 1 1/2 years >>ago and I haven't found a single one in the surplus places. > >I have two IBM 5150 machines, and possibly one monocrome IBM screen to >match (but I'm pretty sure the screen is broken). > >I've been trying to decide if I should throw them out, or attempt to ebay >them (along with at least one IBM XT, and possibly an AT) At this point they're just beginning to be collected and the prices are still cheap (usually) so you may not want to bother with trying to E-bay them. But if you don't and you still want to get rid of them then let me or the list know and someone will surely take them. Don't throw them out. BTW my 5150 has the monochrome monitor but it doesn't have the original MDA card so if you don't need your's anymore I could use it. Joe From jpl15 at panix.com Wed Feb 4 16:35:35 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Ping Tom Jennings Message-ID: Sorry for the bit o' bandwidth, fellow ListMembers - Tom - if possible, check your e-mail - thanks... Cheers John From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 4 16:39:15 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: need drivers/manual for M-Systems PC-FD card Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040204173915.00828480@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> I found a box full of these today. They appear to be disk drive emulators using Flash memory. M-systems is still in business but they say that these reached end of life in 1999 and don't have any software or manuals for them. Does anyone remember how to program and use these? They're half length 8-bit ISA cards. Joe From cb at mythtech.net Wed Feb 4 16:50:42 2004 From: cb at mythtech.net (chris) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question Message-ID: >But if you don't and you still want to get rid of them then let me or >the list know and someone will surely take them. Don't throw them out. A few months ago, I couldn't give them away! I tried, no one would take the things. > BTW my 5150 has the monochrome monitor but it doesn't have the original >MDA card so if you don't need your's anymore I could use it. Humm... I'm nearly positive I chucked a small pile of them a month or so ago. I'll have a look and see if I have any more. -chris From jtr_1_only at hotmail.com Wed Feb 4 14:45:32 2004 From: jtr_1_only at hotmail.com (JT Reynolds) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Restoring old floppies to usable state References: Message-ID: Try http://www.knightsolutions.com.au/files/apps/spinrite%205/ This program runs on any IBM compatible. If you have such with the correct drive type then this program will exhaustively test and repair the surface of any drive you care to test. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris" To: "Classic Computers" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Restoring old floppies to usable state > I'll run a few disks thru a PC to use better surface testing tools (any > of my good Mac tools are either not readily available, or will only run > on newer macs that have problems with 800k disks in the best of > situations, so I wouldn't be able to trust the results to the disk or the > mac being the source of error) > > > Thanks > > -chris > > > From RCini at congressfinancial.com Wed Feb 4 13:11:26 2004 From: RCini at congressfinancial.com (Cini, Richard) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? Message-ID: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA436E@MAIL10> Actually, they gave ample warning that this was going to happen. It's supposedly to prevent spammers and other nare-do-well's from culling email addresses from the member IDs. I changed mine before the deadline because I knew that I'd wind-up with an AOL-looking ID if I didn't (like "dorkus1277574") Rich -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Marvin Johnston Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:10 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > > Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of information to us. Yes, mine was also changed *without* my permission. IMNSHO, they are attempting to divert attention from the incompetant operations people. They are idiots. From r.lasbury at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 4 14:17:06 2004 From: r.lasbury at ntlworld.com (Robin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Help wanted with an Open VMS installation Message-ID: <000001c3eb5b$e1393580$0200a8c0@Gamma> The show device command displays the ethernet connection followed by the CDROM as.. BOOTDEV=DKA500 ADDR=A/5/0 DEVTYPE=RODISK NUMBYTES=681.88MB RM/FX=RM WP=WP DEVNAM=CD-ROM REV=1.1C and it shows the hard disk as... BOOTDEV=DKA100 ADDR=A/1/0 DEVTYPE=DISK NUMBYTES=1.00GB RM/FX=Fx WP= DEVNAM=RZ57 REV=5000 I have actually tried 5 different hard disks: 3 seagate models and 2 original DEC RZ57 drives, but they all end with the same error message while installing!!! 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Listed below is some items someone might want. Otherwise, I'll just format and keep them for extras. They all look like new and seem to be unused. system disks for Dell system200 pc. DOS/gwbasic/utilities borland turboC 1986 5disk set Microtek USD-III 1.0 5 disk set x6800 assembler something called matrix desktop. 8 disk set Turbo C++ 10 disk set procomm plus 2 disk set MS mouse and paintbrush, several copies of each MSDOS 4.01 from TRC techology research. Has the old style ms logo on them. 6 disk set MS windows 3.0 from z-nix company 5 disk set pay for shipping and they can be yours ************************************************************************ This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. ************************************************************************ From pkoning at equallogic.com Wed Feb 4 16:47:33 2004 From: pkoning at equallogic.com (Paul Koning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: gcc cross compiler for PDP-11 Message-ID: <16417.30341.186000.142416@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid FCC: ~/mail/archive --text follows this line-- >> concerning gcc/binuils & pdp-11 >> >> - gcc's (3.3.2) backend generates "unix" style asm >> - gas wants "gas" style asm and doesn't like the "unix" style asm >> - the pdp-11 gcc maintainer knows this and has some fixes which he's >> going to release soon > > GCC version 3.x generates code that, um, sucks. For most C-based > programming, there is absolutely no reason to "upgrade" beyond the > older (V2.95.3) release, which works fine with the pdp11 backend. There are plenty of day one bugs in the pdp11 backend. Some have been fixed recently, others remain. It may be that the 2.95 version did a better job of float handling than the early 3.x series, but I don't think it actually gets it right. And there were problems with -(SP) and (SP)+ modes for bytes... The calculation of instruction lengths (to select between branches and "long branches") is also wrong. I volunteered to take up the pdp11 backend maintainer slot, and I'm trying to get some of these fixes in. It would sure help if I could get explicit input. "It sucks" is not data I can use to improve what's there. If people know of problems, please submit bug reports. (Bug reports submitted by the standard gcc bug submittal process would be best.) By the way, the gcc backend generates either "dec" or "unix" output; the "dec" output isn't technically valid dec syntax but it IS valid gas syntax. paul From pkoning at equallogic.com Wed Feb 4 17:00:44 2004 From: pkoning at equallogic.com (Paul Koning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: DECnet/E and DECnet-Plus Message-ID: <16417.31132.739667.895894@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid FCC: ~/mail/archive --text follows this line-- Two points: 1. DECnet/E only supports the "old" network terminal protocol, which is object 21. The other one is "CTERM" which is implemented by VMS and one or two other operating systems, but not DECnet/E. In fact, I think none of the PDP11s do it; it's way too complex. 2. DECnet/E works fine on E11. It's been a while since I've tried that but I did use it, under Linux that is. I was using the "tap" pseudo-ethernet to debug DECnet/Linux against DECnet/E... FWIW, there's an implementation of the "old" network terminal protocol in the DECnet/Linux kit; with some hacking you can probably port that and use it to talk to DECnet/E that way. paul From patrick at evocative.com Wed Feb 4 17:13:37 2004 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Looking for HDOS diskette layout In-Reply-To: <200402042114.NAA03879@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: Dwight, IIRC, the directory itself is in the DIRECT.SYS file created by INIT. There's also a GRC.SYS file, which is the group reservation table (a group being similar to a cluster), and I think there's one more file as well... Patrick > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Dwight K. Elvey > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:14 PM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Looking for HDOS diskette layout > > > Hi Tom > Nope. HDOS is a completely different OS. As I recall, > the directory is somplace in the middle of the disk. > Dwight > > > >From: "Tom Jennings" > > > >On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 08:21, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know or have a reference regarding the > >> layout of the HDOS (H8/H19) diskette and filesystem? > >> The generic HDOS documentation doesn't include it. > > > >Isn't it just CP/M 1.4? > > > > > > > From patrick at evocative.com Wed Feb 4 17:14:53 2004 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <005101c3eb62$847c5910$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Curt vendel > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:05 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? > > > Well, I doubt thats gonna do any good as it seems someone from > the inside is > feeding/selling user accounts, I've never used my email address > anywhere on > ebay, yet I've received plenty of ebay related scammer emails with some > personal ebay only info contained within them.... Curt... hmmmm.... I changed the email address on my eBay account about three months ago due to too much spam on the old address, and sure enough, spam started showing up in the new address almost immediately (a not-easily-guessed address, BTW). --Patrick From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Feb 4 17:17:11 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <40216F65.7070109@atarimuseum.com> from "Curt Vendel" at Feb 04, 2004 05:17:09 PM Message-ID: <200402042317.i14NHBj3024981@onyx.spiritone.com> > Don't forget the other thing.... ebay raised its fee's to all the user > accounts Monday, they cut off some refunds and oh...but they did reduced > posting on their front page from $99.99 to $39.99 woo hoo :-P BLEEP! I hadn't heard about that one. Just as my wife is getting ready to start listing a bunch of my excess computer stuff :^( At the rate they're going it won't be worth the effort to use them, it'll be cheaper to dump stuff on "BadWill". Zane From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Feb 4 17:19:10 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <69DBC74E5784D6119BEA0090271EB8E5FA436E@MAIL10> from "Cini, Richard" at Feb 04, 2004 02:11:26 PM Message-ID: <200402042319.i14NJBiK025038@onyx.spiritone.com> > Actually, they gave ample warning that this was going to happen. It's > supposedly to prevent spammers and other nare-do-well's from culling email > addresses from the member IDs. > > I changed mine before the deadline because I knew that I'd wind-up with an > AOL-looking ID if I didn't (like "dorkus1277574") > > Rich OK, I'll bite, just where have these warnings been? Locked in a cabinet that is buried in cement, in the sub-basement of their office in Hong Kong? Zane From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Feb 4 17:22:25 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Help wanted with an Open VMS installation In-Reply-To: <000001c3eb5b$e1393580$0200a8c0@Gamma> from "Robin" at Feb 04, 2004 08:17:06 PM Message-ID: <200402042322.i14NMPfN025126@onyx.spiritone.com> Are you trying to use the Hobbyist V3 CD to install from? I was helping a coworker install VMS on her DEC 3000, and we couldn't get it to install on any of the HD's we tried. Finally I pulled out a copy of something like 7.2-2 (Real Compaq CD's), and it installed just fine. One of the two Hobbyist V3 CD's we had access to wouldn't even boot the DEC 3000. Zane > The show device command displays the ethernet connection followed by > > the CDROM as.. > BOOTDEV=DKA500 > ADDR=A/5/0 > DEVTYPE=RODISK > NUMBYTES=681.88MB > RM/FX=RM > WP=WP > DEVNAM=CD-ROM > REV=1.1C > > and it shows the hard disk as... > BOOTDEV=DKA100 > ADDR=A/1/0 > DEVTYPE=DISK > NUMBYTES=1.00GB > RM/FX=Fx > WP= > DEVNAM=RZ57 > REV=5000 > > I have actually tried 5 different hard disks: 3 seagate models and 2 > original DEC RZ57 drives, but they all end with the same error message > while installing!!! I have proved the 3 seagate disks on a scsi card on > a PC and the 2 DEC drives work OK on a DEC 5000 machine booting up a > copy of Ultrix, so I am pretty sure the problem is not actually with the > disk drives. From donm at cts.com Wed Feb 4 17:30:35 2004 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Looking for HDOS diskette layout In-Reply-To: <200402042114.NAA03879@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > Hi Tom > Nope. HDOS is a completely different OS. As I recall, > the directory is somplace in the middle of the disk. > Dwight If HDOS is the same as ZDOS - and I assume that it is - it is an MSDOS related system and uses an 820K DOS format (512x8) with the two copies of the FAT on sectors 2 and 3 and the Directory starting on 4. - don > >From: "Tom Jennings" > > > >On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 08:21, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know or have a reference regarding the > >> layout of the HDOS (H8/H19) diskette and filesystem? > >> The generic HDOS documentation doesn't include it. > > > >Isn't it just CP/M 1.4? > > > > > > > From gessler at ucla.edu Wed Feb 4 17:40:34 2004 From: gessler at ucla.edu (Nicholas Gessler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040204153808.020d0148@mail.ucla.edu> If you used your email address for an ID, my guess is that they will ask you to change it so that all initial communications between buyer and seller will go through eBay. I am sure they read this mail, to find out how much money they are loosing. But I am also fairly sure they treat this as a statistic and will not act against any specific individual for what that person says. It is clear that they know that many people make contact through eBay and then go on to buy and sell off the eBay site. Nick At 10:04 AM 2/4/2004, you wrote: >Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an >account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email >address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of >us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of >information to us. > > Zane From teoz at neo.rr.com Wed Feb 4 17:41:36 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: need drivers/manual for M-Systems PC-FD card References: <3.0.6.32.20040204173915.00828480@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <016801c3eb78$6db7c9b0$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R." To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: need drivers/manual for M-Systems PC-FD card > I found a box full of these today. They appear to be disk drive > emulators using Flash memory. M-systems is still in business but they say > that these reached end of life in 1999 and don't have any software or > manuals for them. Does anyone remember how to program and use these? > They're half length 8-bit ISA cards. > > Joe > What model do you have? I dug up my Industrial Computer Source Catalog from 1999 (Edition 1) and on page 59 they have the PCFD family of FLASH disks. PCFD 1V to PCFD 32V ( 1,2,3,8,16,32 mb FLASH disk, ISA Bus Card half length). They also came in PC/104 versions. It states there are no drivers required. "The "disk" becomes immediately available as either drive D: if you already have a fixed disk, or drive C: if it is the only "fixed disk" in the system. It can work in conjunction with floppy disk drives. Up to four boards can be installed in a system providing up to 128MB of FLASH DISK drive" Features: Up to 128MB FLASH Drive Capacity ISA and PC/104 Models Fill Read/Write Capabilities No Drivers Required Bootable Flash File System MS-DOS, DR-DOS and Windows Compatible Hope this is of help, I think I had full M-Systems catalogs back in the 1990's but probably left them at my old employer back in 1999. From jcwren at jcwren.com Wed Feb 4 17:45:55 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:08 2005 Subject: BadWill for Zane (was Re: Forced eBay ID Change?) In-Reply-To: <200402042317.i14NHBj3024981@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200402042317.i14NHBj3024981@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <40218433.1040007@jcwren.com> Zane H. Healy wrote: >>Don't forget the other thing.... ebay raised its fee's to all the user >>accounts Monday, they cut off some refunds and oh...but they did reduced >>posting on their front page from $99.99 to $39.99 woo hoo :-P >> >> > >BLEEP! I hadn't heard about that one. Just as my wife is getting ready to >start listing a bunch of my excess computer stuff :^( At the rate they're >going it won't be worth the effort to use them, it'll be cheaper to dump >stuff on "BadWill". > > Zane > > If you're dumping an IMSAI or SOL-20, the back of my truck says "BadWill" for your convienence. --jc From curt at atarimuseum.com Wed Feb 4 17:44:31 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: <200402042319.i14NJBiK025038@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <000601c3eb78$d605c0d0$1a02a8c0@starship1> I never saw any such thing, other then Ebay themselves spamming me with their bull$%& promo crap that I never asked for, but for some reason I am subscribed too all of a sudden and then last month the email about the increase in prices starting Feb 1st. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zane H. Healy" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? > > Actually, they gave ample warning that this was going to happen. It's > > supposedly to prevent spammers and other nare-do-well's from culling email > > addresses from the member IDs. > > > > I changed mine before the deadline because I knew that I'd wind-up with an > > AOL-looking ID if I didn't (like "dorkus1277574") > > > > Rich > > OK, I'll bite, just where have these warnings been? Locked in a cabinet > that is buried in cement, in the sub-basement of their office in Hong Kong? > > Zane From cb at mythtech.net Wed Feb 4 17:46:17 2004 From: cb at mythtech.net (chris) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Restoring old floppies to usable state Message-ID: >Try http://www.knightsolutions.com.au/files/apps/spinrite%205/ > >This program runs on any IBM compatible. If you have such with the correct >drive type then this program will exhaustively test and repair the surface >of any drive you care to test. I have a newer version of spinrite, and am VERY VERY VERY disappointed in it. I used it to check some hard disks that I thought were bad, it told me I was right, and I had it map out the bad sectors. The disks still failed to format. Others that is has fixed (and enabled them to format) failed shortly after with bad sectors. And of course, SpinRite only seems to do something if the drive itself is already accessible to DOS. If the drive isn't coming up (from as little as a non DOS compliant partition such as a Linux partition), then SpinRite will claim it can't read the drive at all. So basically, I've found that it doesn't seem to do much beyond that of Scandisk. VERY disappointing indeed considering GRC's reputation. -chris From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Feb 4 17:49:40 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: BadWill for Zane (was Re: Forced eBay ID Change?) In-Reply-To: <40218433.1040007@jcwren.com> from "J.C. Wren" at Feb 04, 2004 06:45:55 PM Message-ID: <200402042349.i14NnehB026158@onyx.spiritone.com> > If you're dumping an IMSAI or SOL-20, the back of my truck says > "BadWill" for your convienence. > > --jc Don't worry, I'd offer stuff for pickup before dumping it there, and the IMSAI *WON'T* be dumped there (I don't even have a SOL-20). Zane From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 4 17:01:25 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: True Data Corp Apple card In-Reply-To: <20040203.130952.4168.124391@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> from "Harve" at Feb 3, 4 09:09:06 pm Message-ID: > > > > > I have come across an Apple IIe with a True Data Corporation card in it. > > S/N 0267 model 350405901 rev a > cable out to 25pin female D > 4 dip switches > > Sure would like to know what it is for! :) And, of course, would love to find the dip switch info. Any large (>24 pin) chips on the board other than EPROMs? If so, what are their numbers? -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 4 17:07:35 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: from "Witchy" at Feb 4, 4 09:23:58 am Message-ID: > > I don't think an O-ring is very suitable here, you want > > something with a rectangluar cross-section. > > Does it have to be? Though I suppose I need something that's solid and not > liable to shift around so the speed of the drive will be constant. The reason for wanting the rectangular cross-section is that it will increase the contact area. Constant speed probably isn't _that_ important. On most of these units, the idler is only used for rewind and fast forward (and maybe for driving the takeup spool clutch in play/record modes). The tape speed is determined by the capstan and pinch roller in play and record (which is when it really matters). > There's a car interior restorer just down the road from here - they might > know, though with a name like 'northumbrian leather interiors' they might > not :) Thinks... There used to be a company called 'Eastwood Tools' somewhere near Bristol (Yate???). They're the sort of place that would have stocked it. Dunno if they're still around, though. > > > This is a full-size platten, in 2 parts, with differential > > gearing between them (to keep the paper running straight!). > > Should be 'interesting' to repair... > > Ick - sounds like fun! Yeah, the service manual just tells you to replace the platten. At least I know how to take it apart. It's a zog. I have loads of spare parts for this machine (complete set of PCBs, front cover, control panel, motor, nib PCB, back electrode assembly, etc). But no spare platten. Mind you, a spare would be old by now and would probably have decayed... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 4 17:22:26 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <1edf01c3eb4f$f265afc0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> from "Jay West" at Feb 4, 4 12:51:49 pm Message-ID: > > I have an IBM PC 5150 system unit and keyboard. I popped the cover and it > has a Paradise Multi Video or somesuch card in it. The card has two DB9 > connectors, an RCA connector in the middle, and a little slide switch at the > top. This is _probably_ a combination MDA(or Hercules?) and CGA card, with the slide switch selecting between them. One DE9 connectors (there is no such thing as a DB9!) is probably for the monitor, the other may well be for something like a bus mouse (!). The RCA socket is probably composite NTSC out in CGA mode, and some totally non-standard thing in MDA mode (if it's active at all). There was a popular multi-I/O card in the UK (it came in Opus PCs, but it turns up elswehre) that had that layout of connectors on the bracket. There were also headers on the board for 1 or 2 serial ports, a parallel port, floppy controller, and a joystick port (IIRC). Now, how to be more certain... Firstly, note that on MDA, CGA, and EGA, pin 1 of the DE9 is grounded. That may be enough to identify which connector is for a monitor. On MDA and CGA, pin 2 is also ground, but it's one of the colour signals on EGA. So you can probably eliminate EGA fairly easily. However, genuine IBM EGA cards (and some good clones) have a jumper which connects pin 2 of the monitor connector either to ground or to the appropriate colour signal. The IBM EGA card will drive an MDA or CGA monitor (you don't get all the EGA modes, but you get more than an MDA or CGA card would give you). You could check for this jumper, it's normally near the DE9 conenctor. If you've identified the monitor connector, then on MDA/CGA, and EGA connectors, the syncs are pins 8 and 9. Power up the machine and connect a frequency counter (or 'scope with a reasonably accurate timebase) to each of those pins in turn. I normally use the LogicDart. Note down the scan rates with the slide switch in each position (Power down the machine before moving the switch, then power up again). Most likely one will be TV rates (15570 Hz horizontal, 60Hz vertical), that's CGA. The other will be somewhat faster horizotnally (around 18kHz?) -- that's MDA. If you can get it working in CGA mode, try connecting the RCA socket to the composite input on a TV or VCR to see if you get a picture. > > Here's the deal: I'd like someday to find an authentic IBM brand monitor for Since you want an IBM brand monitor, it would appear you're trying to make the machine 'stock IBM'. In which case you really want to get an IBM video card too. THey're not that rare. And schematics exist should you get a non-working one. My first PC/XT (still running) had been 'upgraded' by the previous owner who'd fitted that multi I/O card I mentioned earlier. Fortunately he'd kept the original IBM MDA card. First thing I did was swap it back. I then spent a long time tracking down an IBM CGA card to go alongside it. No idea how easy these monitors are to find now. I have all of them (and am not selling). The PC/XT I mentioned came with a 5151 MDA monitor (which is now on my hacked PC/AT, and which I am using now). My first CGA monitor was an NEC TTL RGB monitor which had been used with an Apple ][ (with a special card in slot 7). I modified the video circuitry of that monitor (a few more resistors, and using the spare sections of some buffer chips) to add the I signal. -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 4 17:27:55 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: from "Witchy" at Feb 4, 4 06:59:59 pm Message-ID: > > You would be too if everyone just threw out their broken VCR > > and bought a new one instead of trying to have it repaired :\ > > Yes, there is that, particularly since he charged something like ukp50 just FWIW, when I do 'chargeable' repairs (for HPCC members, when the machine in question actually ends up on my bench, rather than just being a quick fix at a meeting), then I charge that sort of price. I don't regard this as unreasonable. It can take a _lot_ of time to actually track down the fault (curing it is the easy part, once it's found). Maybe I'm clueless, but it took me 4 hours to sort out a 9114A disk drive which had blown transistors in the head switching circuit. 4 hours included cleaning and re-lubricating the eject mechnanism (a 'stock fault' in these units), tracing the fault, soldering in 3 new SMD transistors, checking the alignment of the drive, setting up the controller adjustments, etc. And yes, I had the schematics. Without them it would have taken even longer... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 4 17:31:47 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: <1075925857.2091.11.camel@dhcp-251175> from "Tom Jennings" at Feb 4, 4 12:17:38 pm Message-ID: > > On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 16:05, Tony Duell wrote: > > > You might find an 'idler tyre' for a VCR would work if you can get one > > the right size. You want to go to a _good_ VCR spares/repair place and > > see if they can match it up. > > YOu can also turn rubber pretty easily on a small drill press. The real A small lathe is even better, but note that the cutting tool is very different in angle from that used for metal turning! Freezing the rubber in liquid nitrogen helps (it makes it a lot firmer), if you happen to have the liquid nitrogen.... -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 4 17:34:30 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: <003301c3eb61$6cfbc420$bf414ed5@geoff> from "Geoffrey Thomas" at Feb 4, 4 08:43:40 pm Message-ID: > > Only too true, not too long ago , a company was advertising the bare rubber > sections for pinch rollers etc. for almost any Vcr you could mention - I > haven't seen them advertise for months , and the phone no. is no longer > valid. - They are (were?) JJ Electronics somewhere in London nw9. I think Grandata (Wembley, North London) are still going. They used to have a lot of VCR rubber parts (belts, pinch rollers, idlers) in stock, and their prices were good. I've not needed anything like that for a bit, but they're still advertising in Television magazine. Dunno if Manor Supplies do VCR parts, but they're still going in Edgware (they moved from Weat Hamstead a few years ago). -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Wed Feb 4 17:36:20 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: BT Merlin Tonto screen buzzing/screeching In-Reply-To: from "Witchy" at Feb 4, 4 08:48:44 pm Message-ID: > Anyone seen screeching monitors before? Well, SMPSUs screech if the electrolytics dry up. Some monitors use SMPSUs, and anyway the horizontal output stage of most monitors _is_ an SMPSU type of circuit. So I would suspect dead capacitors in the PSU or horizontal output sections. -tony From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 4 18:04:24 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: need drivers/manual for M-Systems PC-FD card In-Reply-To: <016801c3eb78$6db7c9b0$0500fea9@game> References: <3.0.6.32.20040204173915.00828480@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040204190424.008b47d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 06:41 PM 2/4/04 -0500, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe R." >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:39 PM >Subject: need drivers/manual for M-Systems PC-FD card > > >> I found a box full of these today. They appear to be disk drive >> emulators using Flash memory. M-systems is still in business but they say >> that these reached end of life in 1999 and don't have any software or >> manuals for them. Does anyone remember how to program and use these? >> They're half length 8-bit ISA cards. >> >> Joe >> > >What model do you have? PC-FD with two 1Mbyte Flash chips. Oops! Juat found a sticker that says Pc-FD-2 so I'm sure that it's a 2Mb card. BTW there are lots of unused pads for more ICs. I wonder if more Flash memory can be added? > >I dug up my Industrial Computer Source Catalog from 1999 (Edition 1) and on >page 59 they have the PCFD family of FLASH disks. > >PCFD 1V to PCFD 32V ( 1,2,3,8,16,32 mb FLASH disk, ISA Bus Card half >length). They also came in PC/104 versions. > >It states there are no drivers required. One website that I found hinted that but I wasn't sure. It hints that the programming Sw is built into the cards on-board BIOS but no hint about how to access it. > >"The "disk" becomes immediately available as either drive D: if you already >have a fixed disk, or drive C: if it is the only "fixed disk" in the system. >It can work in conjunction with floppy disk drives. Up to four boards can be >installed in a system providing up to 128MB of FLASH DISK drive" That sounds right. There's jumpers on the card to set them to any one of four addresses. > >Features: > >Up to 128MB FLASH Drive Capacity >ISA and PC/104 Models >Fill Read/Write Capabilities >No Drivers Required >Bootable Flash File System >MS-DOS, DR-DOS and Windows Compatible > > >Hope this is of help, I think I had full M-Systems catalogs back in the >1990's but probably left them at my old employer back in 1999. Yes, that helps clarify things a bit. Thanks. Joe From jpl15 at panix.com Wed Feb 4 18:04:50 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: VAX 4300 on eBay Message-ID: For those of you with intact usernames, there is the following: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076049197&category=1479 $50 min bid; 6 days; no action as of this posting; in Florida. Cheers John From patrick at evocative.com Wed Feb 4 18:15:11 2004 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: BadWill for Zane (was Re: Forced eBay ID Change?) In-Reply-To: <40218433.1040007@jcwren.com> Message-ID: > >BLEEP! I hadn't heard about that one. Just as my wife is > getting ready to > >start listing a bunch of my excess computer stuff :^( At the > rate they're > >going it won't be worth the effort to use them, it'll be cheaper to dump > >stuff on "BadWill". Sellam isn't chiming in yet, so I will... Vintage Computer Marketplace is FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://marketplace.vintage.org/ Patrick From teoz at neo.rr.com Wed Feb 4 18:26:26 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: need drivers/manual for M-Systems PC-FD card References: <3.0.6.32.20040204173915.00828480@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <3.0.6.32.20040204190424.008b47d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <01d001c3eb7e$b325a020$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R." To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: Re: need drivers/manual for M-Systems PC-FD card > At 06:41 PM 2/4/04 -0500, you wrote: > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Joe R." > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:39 PM > >Subject: need drivers/manual for M-Systems PC-FD card > > PC-FD with two 1Mbyte Flash chips. Oops! Juat found a sticker that says > Pc-FD-2 so I'm sure that it's a 2Mb card. BTW there are lots of unused pads > for more ICs. I wonder if more Flash memory can be added? The picture in the catalog shows a card with 4 rows by 4 columns of chips (doesn't show the back side) so its either the 16V or 32V. I would assume its the same board you have just has more chips added, not sure if the BIOS is universal, so if you have a boxload of these try adding 2 more chips from another card and see if it boots up to 4mb or not. FLASH memory does wear out during multiple write cycles so the more you use it the less memory you will have (the board has software to minimize the losses). The specifications show 100,000 minimum cycles per bit. From pat at computer-refuge.org Wed Feb 4 18:41:37 2004 From: pat at computer-refuge.org (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: VAX 4300 on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402041941.37286.pat@computer-refuge.org> On Wednesday 04 February 2004 19:04, John Lawson wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076049197 > > $50 min bid; 6 days; no action as of this posting; in Florida. Yeah, I saw that one, he just relisted it for $50 instead of $99. If it was closer to me, I'd be more tempted to go get it. But I'd prefer to have something faster, or get the KA660 that should have been in my 4000/200, instead of the KA640 that's in it now. :( However, early next week, I shall finally be receiving my 11/750. :) That reminds me - does anyone have a UNIBUS disk controller (SMD or ESDI or RQDX-like or at least an RL11) that they'd want to trade something for? Right now it's just got a MASSBUS adapter in it, and I don't (yet) have any MASSBUS disks, although I hope to get some at some point and make that happy. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From jpl15 at panix.com Wed Feb 4 18:51:06 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: VAX 4300 on eBay In-Reply-To: <200402041941.37286.pat@computer-refuge.org> References: <200402041941.37286.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > On Wednesday 04 February 2004 19:04, John Lawson wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076049197 > > > > $50 min bid; 6 days; no action as of this posting; in Florida. > > Yeah, I saw that one, he just relisted it for $50 instead of $99. If it > was closer to me, I'd be more tempted to go get it. But I'd prefer to Another thing to watch is the seller has some fairly serious neg feedback... just Caveat Bidder... Cheers John From vax3900 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 4 19:15:48 2004 From: vax3900 at yahoo.com (SHAUN RIPLEY) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: VAX 4300 on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040205011548.64654.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com> --- John Lawson wrote: > > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > > > On Wednesday 04 February 2004 19:04, John Lawson > wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076049197 > > > > > > $50 min bid; 6 days; no action as of this > posting; in Florida. > > > > Yeah, I saw that one, he just relisted it for $50 > instead of $99. If it > > was closer to me, I'd be more tempted to go get > it. But I'd prefer to > > > Another thing to watch is the seller has some > fairly serious neg > feedback... just Caveat Bidder... Yet another thing is that it is not a VAX4300, But an R400X expension unit... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From cisin at xenosoft.com Wed Feb 4 20:25:11 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Looking for HDOS diskette layout In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040204182211.R82700@newshell.lmi.net> > > Nope. HDOS is a completely different OS. As I recall, > > the directory is somplace in the middle of the disk. > > Dwight > > If HDOS is the same as ZDOS - and I assume that it is - it is an On a H8/H19 ????? > MSDOS related system and uses an 820K DOS format (512x8) with the > two copies of the FAT on sectors 2 and 3 and the Directory > starting on 4. 512 x 8 would usually give you 640K 512 x 9 would usually give you 720K > > >> Does anyone know or have a reference regarding the > > >> layout of the HDOS (H8/H19) diskette and filesystem? > > >> The generic HDOS documentation doesn't include it. > > >Isn't it just CP/M 1.4? There were a LOT of Heath and Zenith formats, including hard-sectored one, aftermarket soft sector conversions, their own OS, CP/M, and MS-DOS. It would be best to not extrapolate from other models. From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 4 20:27:29 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? In-Reply-To: <006201c3eb5b$361fa260$6401a8c0@knology.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Paul Pennington wrote: > > Hey all... I am currently in the process of designing (and hopefully later > building) a > > dual Z80 laptop. The datasheets don't tell me near enough... schematics > would be > > much better... the problem is most homebuilt computers seem to revlove > around > > the 6502 family (at least those on the 'net do). If anyone could point me > to where > > I can find some Z80 schematics I'd greatly apprieciate it. > > There have been a bunch of Z-80 projects over the years. Two books that > describe Z-80 construction projects are: > > Z-80 Microcomputer Design Projects, by William Barden, Jr., Sams, 1980 > > Build Your Own Z80 Computer, by Steve Ciarcia, Byte Books, 1981 > > One other thought: just pick up a Texas Instruments 83+ calculator -- > it has a Z-80 as its CPU. Links from the VCF Link Library in the Vintage Microprocessor Resources: Z80: Home of the Z80 CPU http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/3938/z80_home.htm Z80 Based Projects: http://themotionstore.com/leeedavison/z80/ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 4 20:29:34 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <40215573.CC877B99@rain.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Marvin Johnston wrote: > Thanks to a heads up about this several years ago by Sellam, I started I'm always ahead of the curve ;) (end of shameless self-promotion) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 4 20:37:56 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <012a01c3eb6c$4b791e50$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Teo Zenios wrote: > Considering that eBay is nothing more then a middleman between a buyer and a > seller I can see why they would not want it to be easy for people using the > system to communicate between each other through eBay. You can easily ask > any seller a question you want for any active auction. Right, and with a valid eBay account you can always directly contact other users to offer stuff. True, some of the more goody-two-shoes users may turn you in, but I wouldn't doubt that eBay has some filters in place to flag these messages for review and then restricts accounts where this is happening. > My only problem with eBay to date is not being able to browse auctions more > then a month old to find out the selling price history (or availability) of > things I want to add to my collection. I haven't been burned by them yet so > I cant comment on their customer support over disputes. Yes, that sucks majorly. Wired a couple issues ago had a top 100 ideas kinda article, and one of them was for eBay to keep the listings up past 30 days. Such an unfriendly company... -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 4 20:38:55 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <40216F65.7070109@atarimuseum.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Curt Vendel wrote: > Don't forget the other thing.... ebay raised its fee's to all the user > accounts Monday, they cut off some refunds and oh...but they did reduced > posting on their front page from $99.99 to $39.99 woo hoo :-P Who the hell ever visits the front page anway? I have a link on my personal links page to My eBay so all I ever see is exactly what I want. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From rcini at optonline.net Wed Feb 4 20:48:05 2004 From: rcini at optonline.net (Richard A. Cini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <200402042319.i14NJBiK025038@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <000701c3eb92$7b394810$8201a8c0@bbrdhveies50vd> Nah. I remember getting an email sometime in December indicating that this would happen. There have been reminders...well...hints on the login page that your ID shouldn't be the same as your email address. Admittedly they weren't smacking people in the face with it, but I did notice the email and changed my ID. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/ -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:19 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? > Actually, they gave ample warning that this was going to happen. It's > supposedly to prevent spammers and other nare-do-well's from culling email > addresses from the member IDs. > > I changed mine before the deadline because I knew that I'd wind-up with an > AOL-looking ID if I didn't (like "dorkus1277574") > > Rich OK, I'll bite, just where have these warnings been? Locked in a cabinet that is buried in cement, in the sub-basement of their office in Hong Kong? Zane From aw288 at osfn.org Wed Feb 4 20:54:51 2004 From: aw288 at osfn.org (William Donzelli) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Yes, that sucks majorly. Wired a couple issues ago had a top 100 ideas > kinda article, and one of them was for eBay to keep the listings up past > 30 days. Such an unfriendly company... Lots go away after 30 days for a good reason - it cuts down eBay's liability. The company is a middleman, and as soon as they can wash their hands of a deal, the better. William Donzelli aw288@osfn.org From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 4 21:00:48 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <200402042317.i14NHBj3024981@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > Don't forget the other thing.... ebay raised its fee's to all the user > > accounts Monday, they cut off some refunds and oh...but they did reduced > > posting on their front page from $99.99 to $39.99 woo hoo :-P > > BLEEP! I hadn't heard about that one. Just as my wife is getting ready to > start listing a bunch of my excess computer stuff :^( At the rate they're > going it won't be worth the effort to use them, it'll be cheaper to dump > stuff on "BadWill". This is just the thing to spur a competing service with much better rates. I hope eBay keeps raising their rates. It needs to cause just enough grief to spawn a mass migration to another service. I dream of the day... -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Feb 4 21:01:36 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: from "Vintage Computer Festival" at Feb 04, 2004 06:38:55 PM Message-ID: <200402050301.i1531acj031902@onyx.spiritone.com> > Who the hell ever visits the front page anway? I have a link on my > personal links page to My eBay so all I ever see is exactly what I want. Me, I've got links to canned searches on my links page for the main things that my wife and I look at. I have to wonder if anyone who goes to eBay any amount of the time bothers to go to the front page. Zane From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 4 21:02:49 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <200402042317.i14NHBj3024981@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > BLEEP! I hadn't heard about that one. Just as my wife is getting ready to > start listing a bunch of my excess computer stuff :^( At the rate they're > going it won't be worth the effort to use them, it'll be cheaper to dump > stuff on "BadWill". Well, if it qualifies as classic stuff, list it on the VCM. No fees at all (currently)! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From ron.hudson at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 4 21:16:45 2004 From: ron.hudson at sbcglobal.net (Ron Hudson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 06:27 PM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Paul Pennington wrote: > >>> Hey all... I am currently in the process of designing (and hopefully >>> later >> building) a >>> dual Z80 laptop. Paul, What are you using for output? LCD screen? Where do you get it? From patrick at evocative.com Wed Feb 4 21:25:21 2004 From: patrick at evocative.com (Patrick Rigney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Looking for HDOS diskette layout -- FOUND IT! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I FOUND IT! :-) I knew this info was on line, but it didn't Google. But I did have it printed and buried in a binder, dated January 2002. I went to the site and found that the author, David Shaw, has made some updates since. This might be one of the few pages Google does not seem to have indexed. Typing distinct phrases directly from the text into Google produces no match, although other pages from the same site can be found. Nonetheless, it's here: http://home.comcast.net/~davidwallace2000/h8/project8080_archive/design_h17. html The information is specific to the 5-1/4" hard sector subsystem used with the H-8 and H/Z-88/89/90. The CliffsNotes version: General form is 256 byte sectors, 10 per track, 40 or 80 tracks, single or double-sided (the distribution standard was 40 tracks single-sided). Filesystem structures allow other geometries. Dwight is correct that the system tries to keep the directory in the "center" of the diskette--beginning at track 13 (from zero) for one-sided disks, 26 for double-sided). That space is also mapped to a file called DIRECT.SYS. The directory contains entries each 23 bytes in length, and entry layout is eerily like MS-DOS... 8.3 filenames stored in 11 bytes, the 8-byte name part and 3-byte extension part each zero-filled as needed. Allocation is done in groups of 2, 4, or 8 sectors each. The group reservation table, mapped to a file in the directory called GRT.SYS, again foreshadows MS-DOS: it's an 8-bit FAT. Byte entries in this table correspond to groups on the diskette. The byte value in each entry contains the number of the next group allocated to the file, or 00 if the current group is the last group in the file. Each directory entry points to the first group allocated to a file. The GRT then provides the links from that first group to the next through end of file. The free group list is also stored here, beginning at entry 0. So far so good. Now let's take simple and confuse it a little. There's also a reserved group table, mapped to a file called RGT.SYS (more distinct names would have been nice). Each byte in this map also corresponds to a group. Permanently reserved groups, like the disk label and known-bad blocks, are marked 0xFF. When a disk is mounted, all non-FF entries are zeroed, then the system follows the allocation chain of EVERY file in the directory, incrementing the RGT entry for each reserved group in the GRT. When a group in the RGT has a value >1, a block is allocated to more than one file and a "corrupt disk" message results. The free group list is also rebuilt/rewritten at mount time by this process. Ahhh, no wonder it takes a moment to mount these disks. :-) Free blocks are found by traversing the linked list in the GRT, not scanning for zeroes in the RGT, so the RGT's primary use seems to be that mount check, and it's otherwise little-used. Anyway, there it is, and thanks to David Shaw for providing it. There's information on the physical format as well, which may be more relevant to the poster's purpose based on what I saw of the link posted to his project (a diskette emulator--hmmm, gotta get me one of these when he's done). There were also other controllers with different physical formats, like Magnolia and Heath's own Z-89-37 and -67, as Fred pointed out, and I'm sure CP/M was more commonly used with those controllers than HDOS, but it could/should have worked nonetheless. Patrick P.S. HDOS author Gordon Letwin became an early employee of Microsoft after leaving Heath (1979)--go to the dark side, did he. It stands to reason that he was involved with the creation of MS-DOS, and thus the similarities in underlying structures, although it's also not unreasonable to imagine that Tim Patterson had already examined and borrowed from Gordon's work before Tim brought QDOS to Microsoft. Does anyone know which, or other? > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Don Maslin > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:31 PM > To: Dwight K. Elvey; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Looking for HDOS diskette layout > > > > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > > > Hi Tom > > Nope. HDOS is a completely different OS. As I recall, > > the directory is somplace in the middle of the disk. > > Dwight > > If HDOS is the same as ZDOS - and I assume that it is - it is an > MSDOS related system and uses an 820K DOS format (512x8) with the > two copies of the FAT on sectors 2 and 3 and the Directory > starting on 4. > > - don > > > >From: "Tom Jennings" > > > > > >On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 08:21, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > > > > >> Does anyone know or have a reference regarding the > > >> layout of the HDOS (H8/H19) diskette and filesystem? > > >> The generic HDOS documentation doesn't include it. > > > > > >Isn't it just CP/M 1.4? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From bob_lafleur at technologist.com Wed Feb 4 21:30:35 2004 From: bob_lafleur at technologist.com (Bob Lafleur) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200402042215859.SM01644@bobdev> I just had mine forcibly changed also. I know they've been "suggesing" we change them for a while, but I would have liked some warning and an opportunity to select the ID I want without the "shades" icon appearing before they did it for me. - Bob -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:04 PM To: classiccmp@classiccmp.org Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of information to us. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG Wed Feb 4 21:49:33 2004 From: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: DEMPR questions Message-ID: <0402050349.AA00851@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Does anyone know how to use a DEMPR? Does it internally terminate each thinwire segment or not? I.e., do you run the end of the trunk directly into the DEMPR or do you T it like every other device on the segment? Do you need to enable/ disable the thickwire uplink port (how?) or is it automatic? What does the button marked with a T in the circle do? What do the indicator lights mean? What happens if the DEMPR is powered down, do the segments simply partition with each segment remaining good by itself, or do the segments themselves become unusable? MS From curt at atarimuseum.com Wed Feb 4 22:03:48 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: Message-ID: <007101c3eb9d$0f101190$1a02a8c0@starship1> Well, not only that, but think of the costs involved keeping that data online and accessible, we're talking terabytes... Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Donzelli" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? > > Yes, that sucks majorly. Wired a couple issues ago had a top 100 ideas > > kinda article, and one of them was for eBay to keep the listings up past > > 30 days. Such an unfriendly company... > > Lots go away after 30 days for a good reason - it cuts down eBay's > liability. The company is a middleman, and as soon as they can wash their > hands of a deal, the better. > > William Donzelli > aw288@osfn.org From cisin at xenosoft.com Wed Feb 4 22:29:24 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:09 2005 Subject: Restoring old floppies to usable state In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040204202835.U85143@newshell.lmi.net> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, JT Reynolds wrote: > Try http://www.knightsolutions.com.au/files/apps/spinrite%205/ > This program runs on any IBM compatible. If you have such with the correct > drive type then this program will exhaustively test and repair the surface > of any drive you care to test. But it sure is a mighty cumbersome way to handle the situation, when what was needed and being discussed was bulk erasing floppies! From teoz at neo.rr.com Wed Feb 4 22:39:12 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: <007101c3eb9d$0f101190$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: <02bc01c3eba2$00aad1d0$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt vendel" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? > Well, not only that, but think of the costs involved keeping that data > online and accessible, we're talking terabytes... > > > Curt I know people who have a few TB online in their homes, they don't make billions a year in sales. The pictures are what take up space and quite a bit of those are not even hosted on eBay anyway. What they could do is sell dvd's custom made showing specific items over a specific time period including price sold, pictures and descriptions. I used to be into coin and stamp collecting and one of the things I liked was the beautiful color catalogs they sold (at a decent price) showing the items, a brief description, and pricing expected or realized. I bet allot of people would buy a DVD with the highlights of the years Hummel, coin, baseball card, videogame, car, etc auctions. It would also be cool to have a section where people post what they want to buy and have dealers bid on what they will sell it to you for (reverse of the here is my junk hope somebody wants it way it works now). If the lister liked the price he would then buy the item, there should be a reserve so that if a dealer goes below it then the lister has to buy the lowest bid item. Or do it like priceline.com where I post a want list and my price, first guy with the goods at that price gets my money. Face it eBay owns the online auction market, for them to grow revenue they have to come up with another stream of income other then the standard auction (some of the stuff I mentioned, jacking up the listing fee's, selling my email to spammers, etc.) They already purchased Paypal. From nico at farumdata.dk Wed Feb 4 22:54:07 2004 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? References: <1ee901c3eb50$ceb0a520$033310ac@kwcorp.com><001c01c3eb5b$3f2e8330$1a02a8c0@starship1><402154BA.176D3D11@rain.org> <005101c3eb62$847c5910$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: <001e01c3eba4$16920ca0$2201a8c0@finans> Subject: Re: Forced eBay ID Change? > Well, I doubt thats gonna do any good as it seems someone from the inside is > feeding/selling user accounts, I've never used my email address anywhere on > ebay, yet I've received plenty of ebay related scammer emails with some > personal ebay only info contained within them.... > My wife regularly receives mail from eBay (at least, that is the alledged sender), talking about special offers, account verification, threats to close down her account, etc. The funny thing is, that she never has even _looked_ at eBay. Nico From gkicomputers at yahoo.com Wed Feb 4 23:04:47 2004 From: gkicomputers at yahoo.com (steve) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <007101c3eb9d$0f101190$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: <20040205050447.83646.qmail@web12402.mail.yahoo.com> --- Curt vendel wrote: > Well, not only that, but think of the costs involved > keeping that data > online and accessible, we're talking terabytes... > > Terabytes, big deal, whats that 5 $120 drives? Or one $1000 drive. With one of those I can fit 5 terabytes in a tower PC. Petabytes is practical and exists currently in industry. Its all ASCII text anyhow with links to pictures(which would be lost), maybe 2000 bytes per auction on average? Ebay had 1 billion auctions listed last year. Thats 2 Petabytes of data. Now if you wanted to store pictures your talking yottabytes. I'd imagine the search fuction is the limiting factor, but I could wait for a slow seach of the previous 2 years of auctions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com Wed Feb 4 23:55:00 2004 From: kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com (Bruce Lane) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Shameless Plug Alert: More goodies for auction Message-ID: <200402042155000645.183276D6@192.168.42.129> Hi, gang, Stuff comes in, stuff goes out. I've got a stack of items up on E-pay at the moment, including an IBM PS/2 'Pumpkin' luggable, a VMEBus prototyping board, and a nine-gig SCSI drive in an external enclosure. You can do a 'Search by Seller' for 'bftbell' if you're interested. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 00:07:43 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Looking for Cromemco Cyclops Video Camera documentation Message-ID: Does anyone have the documentation for the Cromemco Cyclops Video camera? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 00:39:42 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, William Donzelli wrote: > > Yes, that sucks majorly. Wired a couple issues ago had a top 100 ideas > > kinda article, and one of them was for eBay to keep the listings up past > > 30 days. Such an unfriendly company... > > Lots go away after 30 days for a good reason - it cuts down eBay's > liability. The company is a middleman, and as soon as they can wash their > hands of a deal, the better. I think there are other reasons. eBay has already (successfully so far) argued its immunity from being held as liable, claiming they are only a marketplace (which I wholly agree with, though they should be held liable on account of their policies). I'm sure the real reason is because they actually do sell this data. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 00:44:58 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <007101c3eb9d$0f101190$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Curt vendel wrote: > Well, not only that, but think of the costs involved keeping that data > online and accessible, we're talking terabytes... Bah! It costs pennies per megabyte these days (and getting cheaper by the minute). They don't make it accessible because they want you to PAY for it (just like with everything else). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 00:47:06 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <001e01c3eba4$16920ca0$2201a8c0@finans> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Nico de Jong wrote: > My wife regularly receives mail from eBay (at least, that is the alledged > sender), talking about special offers, account verification, threats to > close down her account, etc. The funny thing is, that she never has even > _looked_ at eBay. It's not eBay, it's scamspam. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From kelly at fergason.com Wed Feb 4 20:05:32 2004 From: kelly at fergason.com (Kelly Fergason) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4021A4EC.4090204@fergason.com> Zane H. Healy wrote: >Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of information to us. > > Zane > > the short answer is yes. Kelly From kelly at fergason.com Wed Feb 4 20:05:32 2004 From: kelly at fergason.com (Kelly Fergason) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4021A4EC.4090204@fergason.com> Zane H. Healy wrote: >Anyone else have their eBay ID forcefully changed recently? I've had an account for over 6 years and I predate the rules against using an email address. Looks like the b******* have decided to forcefully change all of us using email addresses for our ID's so as to better control the flow of information to us. > > Zane > > the short answer is yes. Kelly From mbg at TheWorld.com Wed Feb 4 22:28:08 2004 From: mbg at TheWorld.com (Megan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: KXT11 (was: Re: looking for a few items.) Message-ID: <200402050428.XAA19992583@shell.TheWorld.com> >> Interesting. >> >> The field guide lists the M7676 as if it was a single board >> T11, perhaps like Megan's "PDP laptop" from the VCFe. >> Anybody ever seen a M7676 / KXT11 ? >Yes, that sounds like the Falcon SBC, aka the KXT11, which >indeed is a single board computer based on the T11 chipset. The SBC, KXT11-AA and -AB are single-board to the extent that they have the CPU, boot code, memory, clock, a couple of serial lines all on-board. The only thing they don't have is a mass storage interface. I don't know what the 'laptop' I have has in it, I have been unable to successfully open it completely for examination. I think there is a hidden screw I have yet to find and remove. One of these days, however... Megan From vax3900 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 01:15:47 2004 From: vax3900 at yahoo.com (SHAUN RIPLEY) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040205071547.87757.qmail@web60704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Nico de Jong wrote: > > > My wife regularly receives mail from eBay (at > least, that is the alledged > > sender), talking about special offers, account > verification, threats to > > close down her account, etc. The funny thing is, > that she never has even > > _looked_ at eBay. > > It's not eBay, it's scamspam. Yeah, this reminded me of the way to hack your ebay account: direct you to the fake site and let you log in to verify your account. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail > Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || > Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at > http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Feb 5 01:19:23 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Shameless Plug Alert: More goodies for auction In-Reply-To: <200402042155000645.183276D6@192.168.42.129> References: <200402042155000645.183276D6@192.168.42.129> Message-ID: > the moment, including an IBM PS/2 'Pumpkin' luggable Now that's cool! What's the CPU? I don't remember ever seeing one of these before. I assume both slots are MCA? Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From thompson at new.rr.com Thu Feb 5 01:34:30 2004 From: thompson at new.rr.com (Paul Thompson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: DEMPR questions In-Reply-To: <0402050349.AA00851@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Michael Sokolov wrote: > Does anyone know how to use a DEMPR? Does it internally terminate each > thinwire segment or not? Yes, it does. DESPR as well, being a DEMPR with fewer plugs soldered on. -- From tosteve at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 01:35:13 2004 From: tosteve at yahoo.com (steven) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT 128D) Message-ID: <20040205073513.81782.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Don't know much about it yet, but it sure is pretty! Seems to work fine. It came out the same time as the C-64, supposed to replace the PET and be their business computer, but didn't sell well, I guess. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From thompson at new.rr.com Thu Feb 5 01:38:22 2004 From: thompson at new.rr.com (Paul Thompson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: DEMPR questions In-Reply-To: <0402050349.AA00851@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Michael Sokolov wrote: > Do you need to enable/ disable the thickwire uplink port (how?) or is it > automatic? Auto > What does the button marked with a T in the circle do? Resets the logic; we had them hang periodically & segment goes dead. > What do the indicator lights mean? Blink to traffic/solid hang as I recall. > What happens if the DEMPR is powered > down, do the segments simply partition with each segment remaining good > by itself, or do the segments themselves become unusable? Don't recall -- From classiccmp.org at irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk Thu Feb 5 02:02:25 2004 From: classiccmp.org at irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk (Rob O'Donnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: References: <005101c3eb62$847c5910$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20040205073328.03879030@pop.freeserve.net> At 15:14 04/02/2004 -0800, Patrick Rigney wrote: >Curt... hmmmm.... I changed the email address on my eBay account about three >months ago due to too much spam on the old address, and sure enough, spam >started showing up in the new address almost immediately (a >not-easily-guessed address, BTW). --Patrick I think it depends on how popular your email provider is. I've created accounts at free mail providers, and NEVER USED THEM, and still had spam appear in their mailbox. Similarly for the major ISPs over here. If you use a "normal" first part, e.g. a single word, a common first or last name, or initial & the same, or an AOL style address of any of the preceding followed by a number, then you'll get hit by the blanket "let's make up as many addresses as we can and see which ones get through" spamming. I see them being bounced in my maillog all the time! (Tip - don't ever let a spam open and show you it's web-linked images - then they know one got through!) Conversely, we have a domain name we sell stuff on, (www russianglasss co uk - waaaaaaay OT for this list,) and have use a sales@ address on ebay for the last nine months - and have never had any of the normal sort of spam arrive at any address on there. Viruses, yep.. Easily traced idiot who added us to their mailing list, yep. SPAM, nope. My very first email address, which I still poll for emails, but never use for outgoing any more, must get over 150 spams a day. At some point I'll have to trawl through and see what legitimately still writes there, and kill it completely, but I've still got a bit of sentiment about that address. It's an ISP address, but they've been taken over in turns about six times, and the original tiny ISP I contracted to (sixteen dial up line) no longer exists... [BTW, Above mentioned idiot address-harvested us from a unique contact address on an ad on ebid.co.uk auction site. A UK Limited Company, very easily traced! We requested they desist mailing us, advised future transgressions would incur a processing charge, received two more emails, and so invoiced them :-) They've not paid yet, so I will be issuing court proceedings at the end of the month. Not only do I have record they opened our emails, they actually replied to one of them asking what address they were writing to. I'd have dropped the matter there, except I got more spam a week later, to the same address! As I said ... Idiots! :-) ] Rob. From nick-classiccmp at rcpt.to Thu Feb 5 02:21:29 2004 From: nick-classiccmp at rcpt.to (Nick Bannon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: DEMPR questions In-Reply-To: <0402050349.AA00851@ivan.Harhan.ORG> References: <0402050349.AA00851@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Message-ID: <20040205082129.GB52837@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 07:49:33PM -0800, Michael Sokolov wrote: > Does anyone know how to use a DEMPR? Does it internally terminate each thinwire > segment or not? I.e., do you run the end of the trunk directly into the DEMPR > or do you T it like every other device on the segment? You should run the trunk directly into the DEMPR. > Do you need to enable/ > disable the thickwire uplink port (how?) or is it automatic? What does the > button marked with a T in the circle do? What do the indicator lights mean? > What happens if the DEMPR is powered down, do the segments simply partition with > each segment remaining good by itself, or do the segments themselves become > unusable? If a segment becomes unterminated, the DEMPR will isolate it automatically and turn on the indicator light. If the light is off, the segment is fine. Unused ports will have the indicator on. You should check this, but I think ; * The AUI uplink port does not need to be manually enabled * The T button will retest all isolated segments and reenable them if they test OK. * If the DEMPR is powered down, the segments are isolated but usable. Nick. -- Nick Bannon | "I made this letter longer than usual because nick-sig@rcpt.to | I lack the time to make it shorter." - Pascal From wmaddox at pacbell.net Thu Feb 5 02:29:05 2004 From: wmaddox at pacbell.net (William Maddox) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question References: <3.0.6.32.20040204151454.0080e100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> <40215573.CC877B99@rain.org> Message-ID: <007401c3ebc2$1e11ed60$1000a8c0@winxpsp1a2100> A genuine IBM AT was up on EBay a week or two ago. Went cheap, too. Heres an PC, an XT, and AT in one lot: 2785591645 There's not as much stuff from that era as you might expect, considering how popular the IBMs were in their day, but there is stuff to be had. Go get it! :) :) --Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Johnston" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Re: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question > > > "Joe R." wrote: > > > > I can't be certain what your card takes but most cards like that took > > CGA, Monochrome and/or composite monitor. You're right, the old IBM PC > > stuff is getting hard to find. I started looking for it about 1 1/2 years > > ago and I haven't found a single one in the surplus places. Kelvin in > > Atlanta is still finding an occasional one in the thrift stores. He also > > found one at Weird stuff a couple of months ago. > > Thanks to a heads up about this several years ago by Sellam, I started > collecting real IBM cards, software, computers, etc. However, it has > been a year or so since I've seen real IBM PCs or ATs except for the > PS/2 stuff. In this latest cleanup/throw out binge, at least I get a > chance to find and see it again :). From classiccmp.org at irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk Thu Feb 5 02:59:07 2004 From: classiccmp.org at irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk (Rob O'Donnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: References: <200402042317.i14NHBj3024981@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20040205084911.03ccd008@pop.freeserve.net> At 19:00 04/02/2004 -0800, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >This is just the thing to spur a competing service with much better rates. >I hope eBay keeps raising their rates. It needs to cause just enough >grief to spawn a mass migration to another service. I dream of the day... Around June last year, ebay UK did a bit of a price hike. What annoyed people most was they did it in the name of having to comply wiht local VAT regulations (sales tax). Their email said "some" prices would go up, "some" down. All the prices went up except one never-used listing feature. Many by more than the VAT rate! A lot of people migrated to ebid.co.uk (http://connect.to/ebid if you want to earn me a referral click)- a UK based site that offers free listings; not in the numbers to make much of a difference to ebay, but enough such that you can actually manage to sell things on there now, albeit usually at start price. They cater for international members, so if you have some cheap stuff to flog, they are worth a try. As for us, well, we still use them, but to be honest, even with the charges, we make more money through eBay, just because there are enough people to bid things up. That's where all other services fail - there are just not enough people using them, and you can't make the money selling on them. So, no sellers, even less buyers..Rob From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 5 03:46:35 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell > Sent: 04 February 2004 23:08 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: 'melted' tape roller > > Constant speed probably isn't _that_ important. On most of > these units, the idler is only used for rewind and fast > forward (and maybe for driving the takeup spool clutch in > play/record modes). The tape speed is determined by the > capstan and pinch roller in play and record (which is when it > really matters). Ah yes, of course. I'd forgotten about the pinch roller - must be 20 years or so since I last had a tape recorder in bits :) > Thinks... There used to be a company called 'Eastwood Tools' > somewhere near Bristol (Yate???). They're the sort of place > that would have stocked it. Dunno if they're still around, though. Some swift googling doesn't turn up a web presence but that doesn't mean much. Mind, 192.com comes up with nothing either. Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 5 03:51:45 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell > Sent: 04 February 2004 23:32 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: 'melted' tape roller > > A small lathe is even better, but note that the cutting tool > is very different in angle from that used for metal turning! > Freezing the rubber in liquid nitrogen helps (it makes it a > lot firmer), if you happen to have the liquid nitrogen.... I didn't have any the last time I looked :) Next time I have room on the repair desk I'll just whip the old roller up to the appliance repair place I'd forgotten about and see if they've got anything similar..... Pity I couldn't just glue on a rubber band of similar width, but I'd guess they're too soft? Cheers w From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:01:56 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: VAX 4300 on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John Lawson > Sent: 05 February 2004 00:05 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: VAX 4300 on eBay > > For those of you with intact usernames, there is the following: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076049197& > category=1479 That's not a 4300, its an R400X DSSI expansion cab so it's pretty much useless unless you've got a DSSI VAX to plug it into :) Also, if it's fully populated then it's bloody *heavy*. Not as heavy as the VAX4500 mind - when I got that one I had to dismantle it in the car and bring it into the house bit by bit! Cheers w From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:08:44 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT 128D) In-Reply-To: <20040205073513.81782.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of steven > Sent: 05 February 2004 07:35 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT 128D) > > Don't know much about it yet, but it sure is pretty! > Seems to work fine. > > It came out the same time as the C-64, supposed to replace > the PET and be their business computer, but didn't sell well, I guess. Just in case Cameron's not lurking I'll plug his website for him - you'll get more info on the B128 and it's sisters at http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/ Also Bo Zimmerman's place: http://zimmers.net/index.html And last but by no means least Ian Matthews' excellent Commodore history: http://www.commodore.ca/ Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From jcwren at jcwren.com Thu Feb 5 05:38:57 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Shameless Plug Alert: More goodies for auction In-Reply-To: References: <200402042155000645.183276D6@192.168.42.129> Message-ID: <40222B51.70401@jcwren.com> Zane H. Healy wrote: >>the moment, including an IBM PS/2 'Pumpkin' luggable >> >> > >Now that's cool! What's the CPU? I don't remember ever seeing one of these before. I assume both slots are MCA? > > Zane > > > I believe this is a PS/2 Model 70 portable. A friend of mine has one he still uses for some CAD package that's ancient. < http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_p70/ > --jc From r.lasbury at ntlworld.com Thu Feb 5 05:36:37 2004 From: r.lasbury at ntlworld.com (Robin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Help wanted with an Open VMS installation Message-ID: <000001c3ebdc$512f6960$0200a8c0@Gamma> Yes I am trying to use the hobbyist version of 7.3-1 however I obtained that version after I failed to get 6.2 to boot with exactly the same error. I thought maybe the later version would work !!! Silly me. _____ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 1882 Spam messages and set aside 242 Newsletters for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! www.ellaforspam.com From gordonjcp at gjcp.net Thu Feb 5 08:01:56 2004 From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? In-Reply-To: <20040203182926.63306.qmail@web41704.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040203182926.63306.qmail@web41704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1075988989.8786.3.camel@pluto> On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 18:29, Lyos Norezel wrote: > BTW... I hope my english is clear enough to everyone here. > Scottish/Celtic is my native tongue. Spanish name, Scottish > background... strange mix, eh? > That's funny, I've lived in Scotland all my life, and Scots is my native tongue too. It's just like English but with a slightly different idiom. A bheil gaidhleag agadsa? Gordon. From chrisc at addpower.com Thu Feb 5 08:22:50 2004 From: chrisc at addpower.com (Christopher Cureau) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT 128D) Message-ID: The computer itself is kinda nice. It had a MOS 6509 processor in it, which was the beginnings of Commodore's memory management experiments. Some models also had the same video and sound chips as the Commodore 64. I'd really like one of these myself. :) steven To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent by: cc: cctech-bounces@clas Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT siccmp.org 128D) 02/05/2004 01:35 AM Please respond to "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" Don't know much about it yet, but it sure is pretty! Seems to work fine. It came out the same time as the C-64, supposed to replace the PET and be their business computer, but didn't sell well, I guess. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From brad at heeltoe.com Thu Feb 5 08:25:01 2004 From: brad at heeltoe.com (Brad Parker) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? Message-ID: <200402051425.i15EP1p04752@mwave.heeltoe.com> I had a spare moment yesterday so I decided to try and troubleshoot my bad M7891-DC (128kw) in an 11/34a. Looks like I have no +12v. The 12v regulator seems to be working as I have 12v up the 2A fuse. But nothing after that. I'm assuming the fuse has blown. Easy to replace, but I also suspect it blew for a reason. (and replacing it might just yield another blown fuse :-) Anyone seen this before? Do they sometimes blow due to transients? I'm tempted to apply 12v after the fuse with a bench supply that has a current regulator and see what it draws. It's been a while since I worked with "plain old DRAMs" but I assume the 12v is for them (Vdd). -brad From bqt at update.uu.se Thu Feb 5 08:44:39 2004 From: bqt at update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: DECnet/E and DECnet-Plus In-Reply-To: <200402050315.i153FDOP047069@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200402050315.i153FDOP047069@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 Paul Koning wrote: > 1. DECnet/E only supports the "old" network terminal protocol, which > is object 21. The other one is "CTERM" which is implemented by VMS > and one or two other operating systems, but not DECnet/E. In fact, I > think none of the PDP11s do it; it's way too complex. RSX definitely implements CTERM. I think it's object 23. > 2. DECnet/E works fine on E11. It's been a while since I've tried > that but I did use it, under Linux that is. I was using > the "tap" pseudo-ethernet to debug DECnet/Linux against DECnet/E... > > FWIW, there's an implementation of the "old" network terminal protocol > in the DECnet/Linux kit; with some hacking you can probably port that > and use it to talk to DECnet/E that way. The DECnet/Linux implementation is so bad that I'd say it's unusable. (Atleast when I tested to/from an RSX system.) Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol From kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com Thu Feb 5 09:02:06 2004 From: kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com (Bruce Lane) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:10 2005 Subject: Shameless Plug Alert: More goodies for auction In-Reply-To: References: <200402042155000645.183276D6@192.168.42.129> Message-ID: <200402050702060152.1A275956@192.168.42.129> Hi, Zane, *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 04-Feb-04 at 23:19 Zane H. Healy wrote: >> the moment, including an IBM PS/2 'Pumpkin' luggable > >Now that's cool! What's the CPU? I don't remember ever seeing one of >these before. I assume both slots are MCA? This particular unit has a 386/16 or 20, if I recall correctly. There was also a later 486/33 version that had onboard SCSI. It has at least two, possibly four expansion slots (been a while since I was poking around in there), all of which are MCA, yes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" From lists at microvax.org Thu Feb 5 09:21:36 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: DECnet/E and DECnet-Plus In-Reply-To: References: <200402050315.i153FDOP047069@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <200402051521.36914.lists@microvax.org> On Thursday 05 February 2004 14:44, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 Paul Koning wrote: > > 1. DECnet/E only supports the "old" network terminal protocol, which > > is object 21. The other one is "CTERM" which is implemented by VMS > > and one or two other operating systems, but not DECnet/E. In fact, > > I think none of the PDP11s do it; it's way too complex. > > RSX definitely implements CTERM. > I think it's object 23. > > > 2. DECnet/E works fine on E11. It's been a while since I've tried > > that but I did use it, under Linux that is. I was using > > the "tap" pseudo-ethernet to debug DECnet/Linux against DECnet/E... > > > > FWIW, there's an implementation of the "old" network terminal protocol > > in the DECnet/Linux kit; with some hacking you can probably port that > > and use it to talk to DECnet/E that way. > > The DECnet/Linux implementation is so bad that I'd say it's unusable. > (Atleast when I tested to/from an RSX system.) I've had no trouble with it using it to communicate with VAX/VMS. The author of most of it on the other hand..! alex/melt From pkoning at equallogic.com Thu Feb 5 09:55:14 2004 From: pkoning at equallogic.com (Paul Koning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: DECnet/E and DECnet-Plus References: <200402050315.i153FDOP047069@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <16418.26466.925798.687861@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Johnny" == Johnny Billquist writes: Johnny> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 Paul Koning Johnny> wrote: >> 1. DECnet/E only supports the "old" network terminal protocol, >> which is object 21. The other one is "CTERM" which is implemented >> by VMS and one or two other operating systems, but not DECnet/E. >> In fact, I think none of the PDP11s do it; it's way too complex. Johnny> RSX definitely implements CTERM. I think it's object 23. Object 23 is the old RMTERM protocol. CTERM is 42. >> 2. DECnet/E works fine on E11. It's been a while since I've tried >> that but I did use it, under Linux that is. I was using the "tap" >> pseudo-ethernet to debug DECnet/Linux against DECnet/E... >> >> FWIW, there's an implementation of the "old" network terminal >> protocol in the DECnet/Linux kit; with some hacking you can >> probably port that and use it to talk to DECnet/E that way. Johnny> The DECnet/Linux implementation is so bad that I'd say it's Johnny> unusable. (Atleast when I tested to/from an RSX system.) Unuseable for what? I didn't use it with RSX, but it works fine with RSTS. That include rmterm... (I added that for RSTS and TOPS/20 but not for RSX; maybe someone else has by now, if not I expect volunteers would be welcomed...) paul From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 10:08:40 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <007401c3ebc2$1e11ed60$1000a8c0@winxpsp1a2100> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, William Maddox wrote: > A genuine IBM AT was up on EBay a week or two ago. Went cheap, too. > Heres an PC, an XT, and AT in one lot: 2785591645 There's not as much > stuff from that era as you might expect, considering how popular the IBMs > were in their day, but there is stuff to be had. Go get it! :) :) To get an honest-to-gawd, genuine original IBM PC you'll want to look for one that has either one IBM (the IBM logo is embossed on the plastic face) full-height disk drive and a cover plate over the second bay, two full-height IBM disk drives, or even NO disk drives (I've got one like this). Another feature to look for that I don't know the significance of but it was important enough to IBM to give it an FRU (at least I am pretty sure it has one) is a one-inch wide strip of black plastic about 14" wide that fits over the vent holes at the front udnerside of the chassis. I would imagine this was a later modification to correct airflow? Anyway, I don't know how critical it is to have that strip (historically speaking) but I know they're a pain in the ass because the adhesive fails over time and they invariably end up falling off. Also, as has been mentioned plenty of times before, you want to look for one with the original 64K motherboard, with 16K soldered in and the rest socketed. A good indicator will be the presence of the cassette port in the back next to the keyboard port, though not a definitive indicator as it is entirely possible the machine would have been upgraded at some point. Finally, check to make sure the I/O boards inside are original IBM (the video and I/O boards and disk drive controller at a minimum). For extra points, find the plastic cover that fits over the drive bays. It's a smoked cover with a little handle in the middle and has a felt(?) lining around the edges. Make sure you get the original IBM keyboard and find a nice IBM monochrome display to round it out (these are not terribly hard to find). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 10:11:37 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: Forced eBay ID Change? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20040205084911.03ccd008@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Rob O'Donnell wrote: > As for us, well, we still use them, but to be honest, even with the > charges, we make more money through eBay, just because there are enough > people to bid things up. That's where all other services fail - there are > just not enough people using them, and you can't make the money selling on > them. So, no sellers, even less buyers..Rob Yes, that is the problem. eBay is the 800,000 pound gorilla, and to unseat them will either require a rival with enough cash to launch a serious marketing campaign, or a continued succession of errors by eBay. The latter is plausible, as we've already seen. They always seem to push users right to the edge but not quite over...basically they try to get away with as much as possible to squeeze every last cent out of their users and doing the least possible work. Yes, I understand that is Capitalism, but there's honorable Capitalism, and then there's eBay (to say nothing of some of its users). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Feb 5 10:37:34 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: Help wanted with an Open VMS installation In-Reply-To: <000001c3ebdc$512f6960$0200a8c0@Gamma> References: <000001c3ebdc$512f6960$0200a8c0@Gamma> Message-ID: >Yes I am trying to use the hobbyist version of 7.3-1 however I obtained >that version after I failed to get 6.2 to boot with exactly the same >error. I thought maybe the later version would work !!! Silly me. Do you have access to a genuine copy of 7.2.something? IIRC, 7.x is a lot better able to handle 3rd party SCSI disks than 6.x. I'll admit I'm really not up on using 3rd party disks with DEC HW (except PDP-11's) as I've a large collection of RZ29's and some RZ25's and RZ28's. Though I am starting to look into moving to 3rd party disks to get larger sizes. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 5 10:49:25 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT 128D) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Cureau > Sent: 05 February 2004 14:23 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only > Subject: Re: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile > computer (NOT 128D) > > > The computer itself is kinda nice. It had a MOS 6509 > processor in it, which was the beginnings of Commodore's > memory management experiments. > Some models also had the same video and sound chips as the > Commodore 64. > I'd really like one of these myself. :) That was the P500 series, aka the PET II, and it was never released apart from a few samples to dealers before being canned because the C64 was doing so well. The B500/B128 was the 'b'usiness version that didn't have colour or sound. The European P500 made in Germany is more common than the US made, er, US one :) Highest serial number I've seen on a european one is 1763. http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/Museum/Commodore/p500/commodorep500.php Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From vrs at msn.com Thu Feb 5 10:40:28 2004 From: vrs at msn.com (vrs) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: RX8E printset? References: <200401282101.i0SL1bJA023187@spies.com> <007e01c3e60b$a0189460$6700a8c0@vrshome.msn.com> Message-ID: > > I guess TC08s are common enough in Europe that you can > > strip 'em to build floppy controllers. > > No, no, send the TC08 to me! I would love to get a TC08 back-plane for my > 8i :-). I could even trade a TU55 drive for it, and then we could both use > TC08s as they were intended :-)! I have since communicated with the author and verified that the TC08 is undamaged; only unused TC08 slots are used, and any source of unused slots would do (at least one quad slot for the RX8e). Anyone who has an extra TC08 (or RX8e) should feel free to contact me anyway :-). > What is the best source of back-plane slots for this kind of homebrew work? I am still curious what people's opinions on this are. Vince From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 5 11:06:25 2004 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (Jules Richardson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076000010.4488.19.camel@weka.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 16:08, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, William Maddox wrote: > > > A genuine IBM AT was up on EBay a week or two ago. Went cheap, too. > > Heres an PC, an XT, and AT in one lot: 2785591645 There's not as much > > stuff from that era as you might expect, considering how popular the IBMs > > were in their day, but there is stuff to be had. Go get it! :) :) > > To get an honest-to-gawd, genuine original IBM PC you'll want to look for > one that has either one IBM (the IBM logo is embossed on the plastic > face) full-height disk drive and a cover plate over the second bay, two > full-height IBM disk drives, or even NO disk drives (I've got one like > this). Worth mentioning that there used to be a *lot* of clone floppy drives around. My orignal PC has one orignal FH drive and one clone; externally they look *exactly* the same as the geniune IBM units, but lack the small embossed IBM logo in the plastic. I've got quite a pile of clone FH drives in storage; there seemed to be two types floating around at the time - those identical-looking ones that I've already mentioned, and ones with the same style of black plastic but a different width handle (wider IIRC). A photographer borrowed my unit for a book a few weeks ago; I spent ages scrabbling around for the correct case screws and a full compliment of blanking plates :-) I need to source a genuine IBM drive at some point (actually, I need two as my XT has been modified with a half-height drive but I'd like to make it original again) Are you sure that the front strip that you mention wasn't for shipping purposes in order to keep dust out? I've never seen a machine with this, and (going from memory) there's no other way for air to get into the case in order for the PSU fan to blow it out the back if the front vents are sealed off (assuming all blanking plates are fitted!). Seems like a strange design addition. Far as I know, the genuine machines are still common enough over here. Original-build IBM expansion boxes are a different matter; I don't think I've ever seen one. cheers Jules From brad at heeltoe.com Thu Feb 5 11:11:19 2004 From: brad at heeltoe.com (Brad Parker) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:25:01 EST." <200402051425.i15EP1p04752@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: <200402051711.i15HBJD06422@mwave.heeltoe.com> To follow up on my own post, replacing the fuse created a *hot* 12v regulator. My DVM indicated that something was shorting Vdd. Figuring it was a cap, I started pulling the + lines of the big caps. On the second one the short went away. Turns out one of the large Sangamo 47uf caps across Vdd was a dead short. I removed it and now the +12 is happy and the board works. (I'll replace it in my next digikey order) Do old electrolytic's short out? The MS11 parts list just say "AL EL" which I assume is aluminum electrolytic. For some reason I was thinking it would be a tantalum (based on it's silvery look) but now I'm thinking not. I think I'll replace it with a nice axial lead tantalum. I know sometimes badly mfg'd electrolytics will leak, but I've never seen a dead short - but my expeience is mostly with *new* products, no ones that are so "experienced" as this one :-) Normally I wouldn't post this sort of thing but I figured someone else might find it interesting/amusing. -brad Brad Parker wrote: > >I had a spare moment yesterday so I decided to try and troubleshoot my >bad M7891-DC (128kw) in an 11/34a. > >Looks like I have no +12v. The 12v regulator seems to be working as I >have 12v up the 2A fuse. But nothing after that. > >I'm assuming the fuse has blown. Easy to replace, but I also suspect it >blew for a reason. (and replacing it might just yield another blown fuse >:-) > >Anyone seen this before? Do they sometimes blow due to transients? > >I'm tempted to apply 12v after the fuse with a bench supply that has a >current regulator and see what it draws. It's been a while since I >worked with "plain old DRAMs" but I assume the 12v is for them (Vdd). > >-brad > From pkoning at equallogic.com Thu Feb 5 11:21:15 2004 From: pkoning at equallogic.com (Paul Koning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed! References: <200402051425.i15EP1p04752@mwave.heeltoe.com> <200402051711.i15HBJD06422@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: <16418.31627.642044.528304@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Brad" == Brad Parker writes: Brad> Do old electrolytic's short out? The MS11 parts list just say Brad> "AL EL" which I assume is aluminum electrolytic. For some Brad> reason I was thinking it would be a tantalum (based on it's Brad> silvery look) but now I'm thinking not. I think I'll replace Brad> it with a nice axial lead tantalum. Should be ok. Tantalum was uncommon back in the 1970s, except for miniature capacitors. And yes, electrolytics fail with age. It's common for old power supplies to require replacement of all their electrolytics. (By "old" I mean 1950s or so -- but 30 years is enough that it isn't a surprise here either.) paul From paulpenn at knology.net Thu Feb 5 11:34:36 2004 From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul Pennington) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: Restoring old floppies to usable state References: Message-ID: <002b01c3ec0e$532c1100$6401a8c0@knology.net> "chris" wrote: > I have a newer version of spinrite, and am VERY VERY VERY disappointed > in it. (...) My experience with Spinrite was different. I used it extensively years ago in my business. Recently, a two month old Maxtor 30 GB hard disk failed in my wife's computer. This, of course, immediately became priority number one! I upgraded my old version of Spinrite online, paying and downloading the program in just a few minutes. Using the "save what you can" setting, I was able to regain access to the drive and back up the data my wife had entered to CDROM. (The drive was returned and Maxtor replaced it with a 40 GB unit). If I had not been able to recover the data, I'm sure I would still be hearing about it :-) Perhaps it's a bit unrealistic to expect a software program to fix a hard drive in the case of a hardware failure? In the more common scenario of gradually increasing bad sectors, Spinrite can work wonders. In my experience, however, once drives start to go bad, they get worse. As cheap as hard drives are today ( 50 cents a gigabyte), there's not much reason to keep questionable ones. PS: With regard to the subject, Spinrite will also fix floppies. Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia From paulpenn at knology.net Thu Feb 5 11:39:26 2004 From: paulpenn at knology.net (Paul Pennington) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? References: Message-ID: <004501c3ec0f$005c0100$6401a8c0@knology.net> Ron; That was "Lyos Norezel" . I was just replying to his message. --Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hudson" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: Re: Need some schematics... anyone? > > On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 06:27 PM, Vintage Computer Festival > wrote: > > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Paul Pennington wrote: > > > >>> Hey all... I am currently in the process of designing (and hopefully > >>> later > >> building) a > >>> dual Z80 laptop. > > Paul, What are you using for output? LCD screen? Where do you get it? From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Thu Feb 5 12:32:18 2004 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed! In-Reply-To: Brad Parker "Re: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed!" (Feb 5, 12:11) References: <200402051711.i15HBJD06422@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: <10402051832.ZM1886@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Feb 5, 12:11, Brad Parker wrote: > > To follow up on my own post, replacing the fuse created a *hot* 12v > regulator. My DVM indicated that something was shorting Vdd. > > Figuring it was a cap, I started pulling the + lines of the big caps. > On the second one the short went away. > > Turns out one of the large Sangamo 47uf caps across Vdd was a dead > short. I removed it and now the +12 is happy and the board works. > (I'll replace it in my next digikey order) > > Do old electrolytic's short out? The MS11 parts list just say "AL EL" > which I assume is aluminum electrolytic. For some reason I was thinking > it would be a tantalum (based on it's silvery look) but now I'm thinking > not. I think I'll replace it with a nice axial lead tantalum. What you described is the classic symptom of an aged electrolytic that needs reformed. In an electrolytic capacitor, the aluminium foil forms one electrode (the anode), the electrolyte (gel) is the other (cathode), and the oxide layer on the foil is the dielectric (insulator). Unless the capacitor is charged, the oxide dissolves into the electrolyte over time, and no longer insulates. The cure is to pass a small current to reform the oxide layer, and gradually build this up until the capacitor can withstand its normal working voltage without much leakage current. Cylindrical caps in a metal can are more commonly aluminium rather than tantalum; tantalum caps are more commonly made as beads of sintered tantalum. The principle is the same, though: large surface area in a small space, with a metal anode, oxide layer as dielectric, and electrolyte as cathode. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From arcarlini at iee.org Thu Feb 5 13:35:49 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: Help wanted with an Open VMS installation In-Reply-To: <000001c3eb5b$e1393580$0200a8c0@Gamma> Message-ID: <002901c3ec1f$424c8c00$5b01a8c0@athlon> > I have actually tried 5 different hard disks: 3 seagate > models and 2 original DEC RZ57 drives, but they all end with > the same error message while installing!!! I have proved the > 3 seagate disks on a scsi card on a PC and the 2 DEC drives > work OK on a DEC 5000 machine booting up a copy of Ultrix, so > I am pretty sure the problem is not actually with the disk drives. How about you post a log from when the machine powers up to when it fails? Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From tponsford at theriver.com Wed Feb 4 13:47:26 2004 From: tponsford at theriver.com (Tom Ponsford) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: Qbus card I.D & info needed. Message-ID: <40214C4E.6090407@theriver.com> Hi All, Going through some stuff picked up at the auction a while ago (but never completely looked through) I found some interesting Qbus stuff. I need some help with the ID though, Googling has turned up nothing useful. 1. Qbus half-height, appears to be a memory board: CDM 7703 R Circa 1980 Cyberchron Corporation 2.Qbus half-height, appears to be a disk controller card: Data System Design Circa 1980 s/n 0777 #804120-01 rev A I also found along with two Phillips RD50 cdroms, a M7552 Qbus KRP50 controller and cab kit, but no external cables. Both the RD50's and the cabkit have db15 connectors, so I'm presuming a straight through db15 might do the trick, or are there any special cables required? (were talking DEC here, so I would't be surprised if it needed a special cable) Ant help would be appreciated. Cheers Tom From cisin at xenosoft.com Thu Feb 5 14:09:53 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:11 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <1076000010.4488.19.camel@weka.localdomain> References: <1076000010.4488.19.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040205115922.F1867@newshell.lmi.net> > I've got quite a pile of clone FH drives in storage; there seemed to be They are NOT "CLONE" drives!!!!!!!! > two types floating around at the time - those identical-looking ones > that I've already mentioned, and ones with the same style of black > plastic but a different width handle (wider IIRC). There are close to a hundred different ones, including at least half a dozen that have doors similar to the Tandon. IBM used an "INDUSTRY STANDARD" drive (Tandon TM100-2) and put their logo on the faceplate. It was already in common use on thousands of other computers. (Yes, Tandon DID have over a thousand customers by that point.) LATER, IBM began manufacturing drives and/or having them made for them. Calling them "clone" drives is like referring to all tires other than Bridgestone on a Japanese car as being "clone tires". But,... It isn't unreasonable to want to get some of the ones with the IBM faceplate logo, for restoration. From tosteve at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 14:14:14 2004 From: tosteve at yahoo.com (steven) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT 128D) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040205201414.38512.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> No kidding, that website is spectacular!: http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/d/r/drshock/b128.html --- Degnan@degnanco.net, "Co." wrote: > With the help of Ed Shockley and his web site > insectria.net I was > able to get a very trashed B128 machine up and > running correctly. > He's the expert with the B128 and his site can > answer most questions. > > > Direct Link: > http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/d/r/drshock/b128.html > > Bill > > > >Message: 28 > >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:35:13 -0800 (PST) > >From: steven > >Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile > computer (NOT 128D) > >To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > >Message-ID: > <20040205073513.81782.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >Don't know much about it yet, but it sure is > pretty! > >Seems to work fine. > > > >It came out the same time as the C-64, supposed to > >replace the PET and be their business computer, but > >didn't sell well, I guess. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Feb 5 14:03:32 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed! In-Reply-To: <200402051711.i15HBJD06422@mwave.heeltoe.com> from "Brad Parker" at Feb 5, 4 12:11:19 pm Message-ID: > > > To follow up on my own post, replacing the fuse created a *hot* 12v > regulator. My DVM indicated that something was shorting Vdd. > > Figuring it was a cap, I started pulling the + lines of the big caps. > On the second one the short went away. You were lucky. Normally it's the last one on the board that turns out to be shorted ;-) > Turns out one of the large Sangamo 47uf caps across Vdd was a dead > short. I removed it and now the +12 is happy and the board works. > (I'll replace it in my next digikey order) > > Do old electrolytic's short out? The MS11 parts list just say "AL EL" I've had it happen. Remember that the plates of an electrolytic cap are the metal anode and the electrolyte. The dielectric is the oxide film on the surface of the anode. If that disolves back into the electrolyte, then you can get a dead short. I had this happen in the PSU module of a Canon CX laser printer. I was testing various bits of it (it seemed fine), I left it for a few hours, and when I came back I found a dead short on one of the unregulated power rails. Turned out that the 10000uF smooth cap had decided to go short-circuit at that moment. Thank %deity I didn't power it up like that! -tony From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Feb 5 13:45:04 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <1076000010.4488.19.camel@weka.localdomain> from "Jules Richardson" at Feb 5, 4 04:53:31 pm Message-ID: > Worth mentioning that there used to be a *lot* of clone floppy drives > around. My orignal PC has one orignal FH drive and one clone; externally > they look *exactly* the same as the geniune IBM units, but lack the > small embossed IBM logo in the plastic. AFAIK the original 'IBM' drives were actually Tandon units -- they're mechanically and electrically identical (PCB layout, etc). I've used Tandon parts to fix IBM drives. The only difference is that the IBM ones have the IBM logo on the faceplate. -tony From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Feb 5 14:01:12 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040205150112.008ad5d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Did you guys see this? . It's a thin manual for an EPROM programmer. This clown wants $9.80 for shipping AND $2.80 for insurance (REQUIRED no less). Actual postage for this via USPS bookrate is about 40 cents and insurance is 35 cents! How do these clowns expect to stay in business! Joe From classiccmp at vintage-computer.com Thu Feb 5 14:44:49 2004 From: classiccmp at vintage-computer.com (Erik S. Klein) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: [OT] Jim Willing Message-ID: <000001c3ec28$e7a9ae90$947ba8c0@p933> For those that have been looking for him, Jim Willing has a new email address that he seems to be checking from time to time: jimwilling@vintage-computer.com >From his last message he is planning on rejoining the group sometime soon. Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum From tiziano.garuti at tin.it Thu Feb 5 14:46:10 2004 From: tiziano.garuti at tin.it (Tiziano) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Web Service References: <200402051804.i15I04OO053822@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <005c01c3ec29$169c9280$7b457450@tizianoxp> Hi folks, I am the webmaster of http://1000bit.net. I am here to announce that I have decided to open my database of technical infos to the world. You can know use all the data freely in your own sites. Here you can find infos and samples: http://www.1000bit.net/ws.asp I hope that this could interesting for someone. Thanks, Tiziano From SUPRDAVE at aol.com Thu Feb 5 15:01:16 2004 From: SUPRDAVE at aol.com (SUPRDAVE@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: 5.25 disks/programs available Message-ID: <1c1.14a674b9.2d54091c@aol.com> they were spoken for just before you emailed me From vax3900 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 15:21:47 2004 From: vax3900 at yahoo.com (SHAUN RIPLEY) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040205150112.008ad5d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20040205212147.68498.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Joe R." wrote: > Did you guys see this? > 5>. It's a thin manual for an EPROM programmer. This > clown wants $9.80 for > shipping AND $2.80 for insurance (REQUIRED no less). > Actual postage for > this via USPS bookrate is about 40 cents and > insurance is 35 cents! How do > these clowns expect to stay in business! as long as there are idiots who buy. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From teoz at neo.rr.com Thu Feb 5 15:23:04 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! References: <3.0.6.32.20040205150112.008ad5d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c3ec2e$4ff123c0$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R." To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! > Did you guys see this? > 5>. It's a thin manual for an EPROM programmer. This clown wants $9.80 for > shipping AND $2.80 for insurance (REQUIRED no less). Actual postage for > this via USPS bookrate is about 40 cents and insurance is 35 cents! How do > these clowns expect to stay in business! > > Joe Nothing new in padding the shipping and handling. The eBay experience is about the total cost to get an item to your door. The guy apparently wants $20 minimum for the manual and there is probably a smaller eBay charge for something that sells for 9.99 then something that sells for $20 (eBay doesn't get a cut of shipping charges and some people still don't notice above average shipping charges until its too late). The item didn't sell and will probably get relisted 100 more times until somebody hard up for the manual ends up buying it. Did you guys notice how many items never sell on ebay these days? From technobug at comcast.net Thu Feb 5 15:35:25 2004 From: technobug at comcast.net (CRC) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed! In-Reply-To: <200402051800.i15I04OE053822@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200402051800.i15I04OE053822@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <35B66F5C-5823-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:11:19 -0500 Brad Parker pounded out: [............] > Do old electrolytic's short out? The MS11 parts list just say "AL EL" > which I assume is aluminum electrolytic. For some reason I was > thinking > it would be a tantalum (based on it's silvery look) but now I'm > thinking > not. I think I'll replace it with a nice axial lead tantalum. If you are going to use the equipment only occasionally, a tantalum cap is an excellent choice. However, with the current reliability of electrolytic caps, the added expense is something that has to be considered. > I know sometimes badly mfg'd electrolytics will leak, but I've never > seen a dead short - but my expeience is mostly with *new* products, no > ones that are so "experienced" as this one :-) With old equipment, especially those items that have been in storage a long time, an electrolytic will depolarize. When you hit the ON button, the dielectric layer is missing and the conduction can cause a short, or occasionally, a small bang as the cap and its contents scatter around the chassis. Leakage is generally due to badly formed dielectric layers. In a pinch, you can cure a leaky cap by applying voltage of reverse polarity of about 10% of the rating for several seconds and then bringing the cap slowly up to its rated value to reform the dielectric. To safely re-energize a piece of equipment that is long in the tooth and has been sitting around for some time, you have to bring the voltage up relatively slowly to allow the electrolytic caps to re-polarize. Everyone who is collecting should own a good-sized Variac. You power the box up by bringing the voltage from naught to the operational level with the Variac over a period of about a second or so. This should allow the input caps (biggest and most expensive) to re-polarize without taking out the fuze, or worse, the rectifier. Even with switchers, this will also have a ripple effect throughout the system unless the unit has power management. I have some 50 y/o stuff around here that continues to work without repair by taking the above precautions. In your case, I would replace all the bypass caps on the board if you have had a failure in one - although good, they are probably marginal at this point in time. When replacing electrolytics, I typically go for the 105 degree items if they will fit (the current versions are substantially smaller than their predecessors), or for higher voltage beasties with the same temp rating. I also add heat protectors to caps that have been sited next to power resistors or large, silicon embers (monitors are notorious in this regard). Heat will take out an electrolytic faster than anything else. > Normally I wouldn't post this sort of thing but I figured someone else > might find it interesting/amusing. > Only if it doesn't happen to me... > -brad From esharpe at uswest.net Thu Feb 5 16:52:44 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (Ed Sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! References: <3.0.6.32.20040205150112.008ad5d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <003101c3ec3a$c4958f20$c07b9cac@aoldsl.net> yes.... we bought something and found not only did the hoser NOT take pay pal they wanted excessive shipping... so not only was it an expensive purchase for something minor it was a pain in the ass to get a check cut though payables dept. needles to say that seller has over a period of time deprived himself of thousands we might have spent.... best way to handle it is just grit your teeth and not buy anything from them.... ed sharpe archivist for smecc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R." To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! > Did you guys see this? > 5>. It's a thin manual for an EPROM programmer. This clown wants $9.80 for > shipping AND $2.80 for insurance (REQUIRED no less). Actual postage for > this via USPS bookrate is about 40 cents and insurance is 35 cents! How do > these clowns expect to stay in business! > > Joe > > From jpl15 at panix.com Thu Feb 5 15:56:25 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: RL02 Head install info Message-ID: I have gotten a few pairs of RL02 head assemblies, and I'd like to know if they are used in 'pairs' per se, or if the upper and lowers are interchangable, or does any of this matter...? I know there are a few folks on the List experienced in changing out head assys on the large-format drives, so I thought I'd ask. BTW: I'm keeping a couple of pairs, and the remaining sets have already been spoken for (all by Listmembers) so regretfully I have no extras at this time. ;{} Cheers John From ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk Thu Feb 5 16:07:46 2004 From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: RL02 Head install info In-Reply-To: from "John Lawson" at Feb 5, 4 04:56:25 pm Message-ID: > > > I have gotten a few pairs of RL02 head assemblies, and I'd like to know > if they are used in 'pairs' per se, or if the upper and lowers are > interchangable, or does any of this matter...? The upper ('down'[1]) and lower ('up') heads are different (they're almost mirror images of each other, so that the cable comes out on the same side when installed). However, they're not always fitted in pairs -- often you just replace the bad head. I've never actually done an RL head replacement, but I've done it for RK05s, and I remember just replacing a single head if the other one was OK. The heads do not come as matched pairs, any 'down' head will work with any 'up' head. Note that RL01 and RL02 hheads are different, and you can't use the 'wrong' ones in either drive (you get something similar to the 40/80 cylinder problems on 5.25" floppies if you try) [1] It's conventional to refer to these heads by the direction they face when installed. -tony From SUPRDAVE at aol.com Thu Feb 5 16:17:56 2004 From: SUPRDAVE at aol.com (SUPRDAVE@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! Message-ID: <159.2d124b54.2d541b14@aol.com> There is discussion on some of the ebay community boards about this. A lot of the power sellers try to justify it various ways. As for myself, I always begin my descriptions with a big line that mentions actual shipping charges only and no excessive fees. Whether or not that helps remains to be seen. I have bypassed many an auction because the shipping and bogus handling fees were not acceptable for the item sold. In a message dated 2/5/2004 5:00:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, teoz@neo.rr.com writes: > Did you guys see this? > 5>. It's a thin manual for an EPROM programmer. This clown wants $9.80 for > shipping AND $2.80 for insurance (REQUIRED no less). Actual postage for > this via USPS bookrate is about 40 cents and insurance is 35 cents! How do > these clowns expect to stay in business! > > Joe From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 16:48:19 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > Another feature to look for that I don't know the significance of but it > was important enough to IBM to give it an FRU (at least I am pretty sure > it has one) is a one-inch wide strip of black plastic about 14" wide that > fits over the vent holes at the front udnerside of the chassis. I would > imagine this was a later modification to correct airflow? Anyway, I don't > know how critical it is to have that strip (historically speaking) but I > know they're a pain in the ass because the adhesive fails over time and > they invariably end up falling off. Ok, the number printed on a sticker affixed to the strip I have here is 5160-4025563. This would imply that it was for the PC/XT. The dimensions of the strip are closer to 1" x 12". -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 17:04:24 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <1076000010.4488.19.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: On 5 Feb 2004, Jules Richardson wrote: > Are you sure that the front strip that you mention wasn't for shipping > purposes in order to keep dust out? I've never seen a machine with this, No, I'm not. I just discovered it only a year or two back. > and (going from memory) there's no other way for air to get into the > case in order for the PSU fan to blow it out the back if the front vents > are sealed off (assuming all blanking plates are fitted!). Seems like a > strange design addition. This is actually common. I've gotten more than a few S-100 chassis, for instance, where they've been modified with electrician's tape to imrpove air flow (IMSAI 8080's usually have tape along the inside vents on the power supply side so that the fan draws air from the opposite side and pulls it over the power supply. On the PC, there are plenty of air intake vents, including the floppy disk drives themselves (for better or worse). > Far as I know, the genuine machines are still common enough over here. > Original-build IBM expansion boxes are a different matter; I don't think > I've ever seen one. I have at least one. They are rather rare over here as well. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From r_a_feldman at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 17:00:34 2004 From: r_a_feldman at hotmail.com (Robert Feldman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: More eBay madness: $2000 Otrona Attache Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3457767314&category=177 No bids yet, so you can Buy It Now for only $3200 (cheap at half the price). Bob _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Thu Feb 5 16:24:46 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <00bd01c3ec2e$4ff123c0$0500fea9@game> References: <3.0.6.32.20040205150112.008ad5d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040205172446.008b9100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 04:23 PM 2/5/04 -0500, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe R." >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 3:01 PM >Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! > > >> Did you guys see this? >> >> 5>. It's a thin manual for an EPROM programmer. This clown wants $9.80 for >> shipping AND $2.80 for insurance (REQUIRED no less). Actual postage for >> this via USPS bookrate is about 40 cents and insurance is 35 cents! How >do >> these clowns expect to stay in business! >> >> Joe > >Nothing new in padding the shipping and handling. The eBay experience is >about the total cost to get an item to your door. The guy apparently wants >$20 minimum for the manual and there is probably a smaller eBay charge for >something that sells for 9.99 then something that sells for $20 (eBay >doesn't get a cut of shipping charges and some people still don't notice >above average shipping charges until its too late). The item didn't sell and >will probably get relisted 100 more times until somebody hard up for the >manual ends up buying it. Did you guys notice how many items never sell on >ebay these days? Have you ever noticed how many times some people will relist the same item? I remember one item that I know the seller relisted at least 8 times. They must be paying an arm and a leg in listing fees. You'd think they'd wise up after it didn't sell the first couple of times. Joe > > > > From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 5 17:22:55 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT 128D) In-Reply-To: <20040205201414.38512.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of steven > Sent: 05 February 2004 20:14 > To: billdeg@degnanco.com; cctech@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile > computer (NOT 128D) > > No kidding, that website is spectacular!: > > http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/d/r/drshock/b128.html > Ah yes - thanks for reminding me! *adds to links page* Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 5 17:28:55 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: More eBay madness: $2000 Otrona Attache In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Robert Feldman > Sent: 05 February 2004 23:01 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: More eBay madness: $2000 Otrona Attache > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3457767314& > category=177 > > No bids yet, so you can Buy It Now for only $3200 (cheap at > half the price). Have a look at the other stuff he's been selling though :) Cheers w From aek at spies.com Thu Feb 5 17:42:49 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: another drive replacement mfr Message-ID: <200402052342.i15NgnbZ020595@spies.com> http://www.wilsonlabs.com/disk-drive-replacement.htm I see Wilson Labs, who used to sell disk and drive testers, is in the disk replacement biz now. From bqt at update.uu.se Thu Feb 5 17:42:59 2004 From: bqt at update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: DECnet/E and DECnet-Plus In-Reply-To: <200402051804.i15I04OP053822@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200402051804.i15I04OP053822@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 meltie wrote: > > > FWIW, there's an implementation of the "old" network terminal protocol > > > in the DECnet/Linux kit; with some hacking you can probably port that > > > and use it to talk to DECnet/E that way. > > > > The DECnet/Linux implementation is so bad that I'd say it's unusable. > > (Atleast when I tested to/from an RSX system.) > > I've had no trouble with it using it to communicate with VAX/VMS. The > author of most of it on the other hand..! I wonder how much things you've tried... I know that the people developing DECnet/Linux have used a VMS system to communicate with to test things, but I had some problems even to that. Trying to communicate with RSX was totally useless. Basically nothing works. The only thing I managed to get to work was DAP access from the Linux system to the RSX system for transferring files from RSX to Linux. All other things with DAP fails. PHONE didn't work either. Hmm, what else is there... Ah, yes, CTERM didn't seem to work either. [...] > From: Paul Koning > > Johnny> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 Paul Koning > Johnny> wrote: > >> 1. DECnet/E only supports the "old" network terminal protocol, > >> which is object 21. The other one is "CTERM" which is implemented > >> by VMS and one or two other operating systems, but not DECnet/E. > >> In fact, I think none of the PDP11s do it; it's way too complex. > > Johnny> RSX definitely implements CTERM. I think it's object 23. > > Object 23 is the old RMTERM protocol. CTERM is 42. Ah. Sorry. I looked at the known objects of my RSX system, and had to pick between 23 and 42, I picked the wrong one. :-/ 23 is handled by RMHACP and 42 by RTH. I knew both were interactive terminal protocols, but I had a hard time remembering which was which. > >> 2. DECnet/E works fine on E11. It's been a while since I've tried > >> that but I did use it, under Linux that is. I was using the "tap" > >> pseudo-ethernet to debug DECnet/Linux against DECnet/E... > >> > >> FWIW, there's an implementation of the "old" network terminal > >> protocol in the DECnet/Linux kit; with some hacking you can > >> probably port that and use it to talk to DECnet/E that way. > > Johnny> The DECnet/Linux implementation is so bad that I'd say it's > Johnny> unusable. (Atleast when I tested to/from an RSX system.) > > Unuseable for what? I didn't use it with RSX, but it works fine with > RSTS. That include rmterm... (I added that for RSTS and TOPS/20 but > not for RSX; maybe someone else has by now, if not I expect volunteers > would be welcomed...) Well, like I said before. Access from RSX to Linux don't work at all. Access from Linux to RSX works for reading files, but not writing. PHONE don't work, and CTERM didn't work if I remember correctly (I'm a bit unsure about CTERM, since it's been a few months since we disabled DECnet/Linux again). Also, PHONE with VMS systems don't work as they should either. I can't remember if I tried that much with DAP, but even if it works better there must obviously be some serious bugs in there since it fails so abmyssaly with RSX. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 17:47:34 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed! In-Reply-To: <35B66F5C-5823-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, CRC wrote: > To safely re-energize a piece of equipment that is long in the tooth > and has been sitting around for some time, you have to bring the > voltage up relatively slowly to allow the electrolytic caps to > re-polarize. Everyone who is collecting should own a good-sized Variac. > You power the box up by bringing the voltage from naught to the > operational level with the Variac over a period of about a second or One second? I've always been told to do this over the course of at least a couple hours in 5V increments. If I can be doing this in a much quicker time then I'd really like to know about it. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 17:49:53 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <159.2d124b54.2d541b14@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 SUPRDAVE@aol.com wrote: > There is discussion on some of the ebay community boards about this. A > lot of the power sellers try to justify it various ways. As for myself, > I always begin my descriptions with a big line that mentions actual > shipping charges only and no excessive fees. Whether or not that helps > remains to be seen. I have bypassed many an auction because the shipping > and bogus handling fees were not acceptable for the item sold. Some sellers are certainly out of line but then again, packing an item well can take a lot of time. It sometimes takes me 2 hours to pack a rather large item or a bunch of small items. Charging only the actual shipping costs can sometimes mean you take a big hit. But with a manual? C'mon. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 17:53:08 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040205172446.008b9100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: > Have you ever noticed how many times some people will relist the same > item? I remember one item that I know the seller relisted at least 8 times. > They must be paying an arm and a leg in listing fees. You'd think they'd > wise up after it didn't sell the first couple of times. Yeah, that really gets me. Especially when I make a reasonable offer on something that has received no bids at least a couple times, and the seller balks and relists it. By the time they actually do sell it (if ever) they are already in the hole with all the listing fees! Who ARE these people!? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From donm at cts.com Thu Feb 5 17:54:37 2004 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Looking for HDOS diskette layout In-Reply-To: <20040204182211.R82700@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Fred Cisin wrote: > > > Nope. HDOS is a completely different OS. As I recall, > > > the directory is somplace in the middle of the disk. > > > Dwight > > > > If HDOS is the same as ZDOS - and I assume that it is - it is an > > On a H8/H19 ????? Hmmmm! Major brain fart, I think!! - don > > MSDOS related system and uses an 820K DOS format (512x8) with the > > two copies of the FAT on sectors 2 and 3 and the Directory > > starting on 4. > > 512 x 8 would usually give you 640K > 512 x 9 would usually give you 720K > > > > >> Does anyone know or have a reference regarding the > > > >> layout of the HDOS (H8/H19) diskette and filesystem? > > > >> The generic HDOS documentation doesn't include it. > > > >Isn't it just CP/M 1.4? > > There were a LOT of Heath and Zenith formats, including hard-sectored one, > aftermarket soft sector conversions, their own OS, CP/M, and MS-DOS. > It would be best to not extrapolate from other models. > > > > > From cisin at xenosoft.com Thu Feb 5 17:55:02 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040205155313.X12000@newshell.lmi.net> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Tony Duell wrote: > AFAIK the original 'IBM' drives were actually Tandon units -- they're > mechanically and electrically identical (PCB layout, etc). I've used > Tandon parts to fix IBM drives. The only difference is that the IBM ones > have the IBM logo on the faceplate. During the first six months of the PC (5150), some of the machines directly from IBM ("IBM Retail Product Center") had the IBM logo on a drive that still had Tandon labels on it. MUCH later, IBM started using some other drives, besides Tandon. From jpl15 at panix.com Thu Feb 5 18:04:52 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, CRC wrote: > > > To safely re-energize a piece of equipment that is long in the tooth > > and has been sitting around for some time, you have to bring the > > voltage up relatively slowly to allow the electrolytic caps to > > re-polarize. Everyone who is collecting should own a good-sized Variac. > > You power the box up by bringing the voltage from naught to the > > operational level with the Variac over a period of about a second or Then duck! IMHO opinion, and over 40+ years experience, to reform funky caps takes anywhere from a few minutes to over an hour, depending on many variables. If you think you've formed an electrolytic in one second, it was either tiny or good-to-begin-with. But the thing most folks forget is to somehow monitor the *current* being drawn during the Process of Reformation. Here endeth the Lesson. > > One second? I've always been told to do this over the course of at least > a couple hours in 5V increments. > Again - it depends on the voltage/capacity of the filters involved, and just how "bad" gthey are. One simply cannot place an arbitrary voltage/time delta on all power supplies. The Ammeter (or it's analog) is here your friend. Cheers John From vrs at msn.com Thu Feb 5 18:12:53 2004 From: vrs at msn.com (vrs) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed! References: Message-ID: > > > To safely re-energize a piece of equipment that is long in the tooth > > > and has been sitting around for some time, you have to bring the > > > voltage up relatively slowly to allow the electrolytic caps to > > > re-polarize. Everyone who is collecting should own a good-sized Variac. > > > You power the box up by bringing the voltage from naught to the > > > operational level with the Variac over a period of about a second or > > Then duck! IMHO opinion, and over 40+ years experience, to reform > funky caps takes anywhere from a few minutes to over an hour, depending on > many variables. If you think you've formed an electrolytic in one second, > it was either tiny or good-to-begin-with. When I read this, I took it to mean the Variac was a preferred method for turning on equipment *after* the caps had been reformed, as a matter of routine. (Otherwise it made no sense to me, based on what I know of reformation.) That may not be a good idea, but I couldn't dismiss it out of hand. Vince From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 5 19:19:32 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Vintage > Computer Festival > Sent: 05 February 2004 23:53 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Greedy E-bay idiots! > > Yeah, that really gets me. Especially when I make a > reasonable offer on something that has received no bids at > least a couple times, and the seller balks and relists it. > By the time they actually do sell it (if > ever) they are already in the hole with all the listing fees! > > Who ARE these people!? Greedy idiots who think ebay is their paymaster because of all the spam talking about making thousands from ebay? Sorry, that should read 'gullible idiots' :) Cheers w From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Feb 5 19:27:55 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: another drive replacement mfr In-Reply-To: <200402052342.i15NgnbZ020595@spies.com> References: <200402052342.i15NgnbZ020595@spies.com> Message-ID: >http://www.wilsonlabs.com/disk-drive-replacement.htm > >I see Wilson Labs, who used to sell disk and drive testers, >is in the disk replacement biz now. Anyone have any idea how much their WBC 512 is? A MFM replacement disk would be cool! Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From netsurfer_x1 at fastmailbox.net Thu Feb 5 19:53:03 2004 From: netsurfer_x1 at fastmailbox.net (David Vohs) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Atari Portfolio hard drives? Message-ID: <20040206015303.5F678154E9E@mail.messagingengine.com> Does anyone know if anyone ever made a hard drive for the Atari Portfolio? I'd just love to get my hands on one. -- David Vohs netsurfer_x1@fastmailbox.net -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin From vax3900 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 20:27:40 2004 From: vax3900 at yahoo.com (SHAUN RIPLEY) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040206022740.20662.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com> --- Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: > > > Have you ever noticed how many times some people > will relist the same > > item? I remember one item that I know the seller > relisted at least 8 times. > > They must be paying an arm and a leg in listing > fees. You'd think they'd > > wise up after it didn't sell the first couple of > times. > > Yeah, that really gets me. Especially when I make a > reasonable offer on > something that has received no bids at least a > couple times, and the > seller balks and relists it. By the time they > actually do sell it (if > ever) they are already in the hole with all the > listing fees! If I remember correctly, Epay will return you all your listing fees except the first one if you finally sell your item. > > Who ARE these people!? > > -- > > Sellam Ismail > Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || > Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at > http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From doc at mdrconsult.com Thu Feb 5 20:31:16 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89E7D65E-584C-11D8-9FE4-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 5, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: > >> Have you ever noticed how many times some people will relist the >> same >> item? I remember one item that I know the seller relisted at least 8 >> times. >> They must be paying an arm and a leg in listing fees. You'd think >> they'd >> wise up after it didn't sell the first couple of times. > > Yeah, that really gets me. Especially when I make a reasonable offer > on > something that has received no bids at least a couple times, and the > seller balks and relists it. By the time they actually do sell it (if > ever) they are already in the hole with all the listing fees! Last time I read the seller's FAQ, eBay doesn't charge fees on an item with no bids as long as the seller relists the item. So, it's actually cheaper for the seller to relist than to sell it offline. Of course, relisting an item 6 times at the same minimum when you're getting no bids is kind of dumb. Doc From jcwren at jcwren.com Thu Feb 5 20:43:17 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <89E7D65E-584C-11D8-9FE4-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> References: <89E7D65E-584C-11D8-9FE4-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> Message-ID: <4022FF45.2040500@jcwren.com> Doc Shipley wrote: > On Feb 5, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: >> >>> Have you ever noticed how many times some people will relist the same >>> item? I remember one item that I know the seller relisted at least 8 >>> times. >>> They must be paying an arm and a leg in listing fees. You'd think >>> they'd >>> wise up after it didn't sell the first couple of times. >> >> >> Yeah, that really gets me. Especially when I make a reasonable offer on >> something that has received no bids at least a couple times, and the >> seller balks and relists it. By the time they actually do sell it (if >> ever) they are already in the hole with all the listing fees! > > > Last time I read the seller's FAQ, eBay doesn't charge fees on an > item with no bids as long as the seller relists the item. > > So, it's actually cheaper for the seller to relist than to sell it > offline. > > Of course, relisting an item 6 times at the same minimum when you're > getting no bids is kind of dumb. Why? Most of these people use some sort of auction management software like eBud. It takes about 4 clicks to relist an item. Sooner or later, some one will likely buy it. You just have to find someone who hits the right search terms, needs it, or wants it. With most of that stuff, it's not costing them anymore to keep it, so why not keep listing it until you hit your price. There's a sucker born every minute. --jc > > > Doc > From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 21:03:41 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <20040206022740.20662.qmail@web60706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, SHAUN RIPLEY wrote: > If I remember correctly, Epay will return you all your listing fees > except the first one if you finally sell your item. This would certainly make that sort of behavior make sense then. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From marvin at rain.org Thu Feb 5 21:09:21 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! References: <89E7D65E-584C-11D8-9FE4-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> Message-ID: <40230561.51314391@rain.org> Doc Shipley wrote: > > Last time I read the seller's FAQ, eBay doesn't charge fees on an > item with no bids as long as the seller relists the item. Is this a new thing? For years, it has been you can basically get twice the time for the same listing fee *IF* the item sells the second time. Otherwise you get charged again. And of course Ebay has no incentive to block non-payers since only the FVF gets refunded, not the listing charge. Letting the fox guard the henhouse is *really* dumb. From vrs at msn.com Thu Feb 5 21:11:41 2004 From: vrs at msn.com (vrs) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:12 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! References: Message-ID: > > If I remember correctly, Epay will return you all your listing fees > > except the first one if you finally sell your item. > > This would certainly make that sort of behavior make sense then. Reading the eBay fee page, it says only the very first listing fee is returned. Vince From curt at atarimuseum.com Thu Feb 5 21:12:41 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Atari Portfolio hard drives? In-Reply-To: <20040206015303.5F678154E9E@mail.messagingengine.com> References: <20040206015303.5F678154E9E@mail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <40230629.4040300@atarimuseum.com> I recall a 3rd party firm that did have a HD add-on, there was even a photo of a guy holding a portfilio palmtop with the hd module layered underneath. I don't know if it was officially released. Curt David Vohs wrote: >Does anyone know if anyone ever made a hard drive for the Atari >Portfolio? > >I'd just love to get my hands on one. > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From ghldbrd at ccp.com Thu Feb 5 21:07:49 2004 From: ghldbrd at ccp.com (ghldbrd@ccp.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040205150112.008ad5d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20040205150112.008ad5d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <1146.65.123.179.195.1076036869.squirrel@webmail.ccp.com> > Did you guys see this? > 5>. It's a thin manual for an EPROM programmer. This clown wants $9.80 for > shipping AND $2.80 for insurance (REQUIRED no less). Actual postage for > this via USPS bookrate is about 40 cents and insurance is 35 cents! How > do > these clowns expect to stay in business! > > Joe > That's how they engineer in their profit margin, guaranteed. They don't call it E-greed or E-pay fer nuffin!!! Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO From gkicomputers at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 21:17:05 2004 From: gkicomputers at yahoo.com (steve) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <40230561.51314391@rain.org> Message-ID: <20040206031705.78322.qmail@web12402.mail.yahoo.com> --- Marvin Johnston wrote: > Is this a new thing? For years, it has been you can > basically get twice > the time for the same listing fee *IF* the item > sells the second time. > Otherwise you get charged again. Yes, that how the current ebay policy works, I can't imagine they would ever let you keep relisting an item for free, just doesn't make sense, business wise. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From pat at computer-refuge.org Thu Feb 5 21:39:59 2004 From: pat at computer-refuge.org (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402052239.59025.pat@computer-refuge.org> On Thursday 05 February 2004 18:53, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: > > Have you ever noticed how many times some people will relist the > > same item? I remember one item that I know the seller relisted at > > least 8 times. They must be paying an arm and a leg in listing > > fees. You'd think they'd wise up after it didn't sell the first > > couple of times. > > Yeah, that really gets me. Especially when I make a reasonable offer > on something that has received no bids at least a couple times, and > the seller balks and relists it. By the time they actually do sell > it (if ever) they are already in the hole with all the listing fees! > > Who ARE these people!? You mean like this guy? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075103057 That's been relisted on eBay since last Spring or maybe Winter. With a $4k start bid, that can't be cheap. At this point it wouldn't suprise me if he's spent hundres of $$ just relisting the machine. If he just had some sense to either lower the opening bid or sell it in some other venue that bought that kind of thing... And from an email exchange I had with that guy when I was considering buying it, he's 1) got no idea what he has and 2) is willing to sell it for less money. I think I managed to get him down to $2500 or $2k - I'd be suprised if he wouldn't have sold it by now if he'd set the start bid to something near that. Of couse, he seems to resell Compaq PeeCee hardware, so he can't be all that bright. ;) Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 21:51:44 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, vrs wrote: > > > If I remember correctly, Epay will return you all your listing fees > > > except the first one if you finally sell your item. > > > > This would certainly make that sort of behavior make sense then. > > Reading the eBay fee page, it says only the very first listing fee is > returned. Okay, that's what I seem to recall, which takes me back to my prior position: people are stupid. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 21:56:18 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <200402052239.59025.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > Of couse, he seems to resell Compaq PeeCee hardware, so he can't be all > that bright. ;) Well, you figure eBay is so mainstream now that it represents an average cross section of the populace. Now, take into account that the average IQ of the average person is 100. Remember, that's AVERAGE. That means there are people who are at 70 (starting edge for "Mildly Retarded") pulling the average IQ down from the people who are 130 or above. That's a lot of friggin idiots on eBay. And I've met my share. Thus concludes my pointless analysis. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From dvcorbin at optonline.net Thu Feb 5 22:14:35 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Box o' Parts --- ASR 33.. In-Reply-To: <200402052239.59025.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: Today is a happy day! Just got an ASR-33 teletype....well at least almost... Seriously, I just received almost all of the key parts for a TTY. I have the main assembly (with punch, the keyboard, and the reader. All that is missing is the Power Supply and case. Thanks to David Gesswein (pdp8.net) I also have a full set of prints. While I did a reasonable amount of work on these beasts back in the mid '70s it has been a long time, and many of those brain cells have disappeared. Since I know that a number of people on this list have working teletypes, I would greatly appreciate being able to speak with some of them to come up with a game plan for actually getting this operational. Please contact me either via this list, or e-mail dvcorbin@optonline.net. Thanks in advance. David ps: Where else can you get a multi-function device that does NO Graphics, NO Lower Case Characters and prints a fantastic 0.1389 PPM!!!!!!! (It also will head a small enclosed space, and provide enough noise to mask outside activity!) From teoz at neo.rr.com Thu Feb 5 22:23:04 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! References: <200402052239.59025.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: <002b01c3ec68$ea827d00$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Finnegan" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Greedy E-bay idiots! > > That's been relisted on eBay since last Spring or maybe Winter. With a > $4k start bid, that can't be cheap. At this point it wouldn't suprise > me if he's spent hundres of $$ just relisting the machine. If he just > had some sense to either lower the opening bid or sell it in some other > venue that bought that kind of thing... And from an email exchange I > had with that guy when I was considering buying it, he's 1) got no idea > what he has and 2) is willing to sell it for less money. I think I > managed to get him down to $2500 or $2k - I'd be suprised if he > wouldn't have sold it by now if he'd set the start bid to something > near that. > > Of couse, he seems to resell Compaq PeeCee hardware, so he can't be all > that bright. ;) > > Pat > -- The insertion fee is $4.80 for anything $500 and up plus $.15 for each picture hosted by eBay after the first free picture (only the second insertion fee is refunded if it sells on the second try, other then that you pay for each re-insertion). Assuming he re-lists it 37 times (10 days per auction covering a year) he has accumulated $177.60 in eBay charges over the year. So at that rate he can have it running for years before somebody bites at the $4k price and still make more money then your $2500 offer now. Most likely he will drop the price sometime in the first year and who knows might sell it at $3k. Who knows the guy probably was paid to remove it from some business in the first place so no big deal. He might have no idea what he has, but he knows you will pony up $2,500 for it so maybe $4,000 might be reasonable to somebody else. You might call him greedy, but I don't see why he would be stupid? eBay has been around for quite a few years and more people are listing items (and selling them) now then every year before so somebody is making some cash (besides UPS, USPS, and Fedex anyway). eBay Pricing is here: http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html From tachyon at comporium.net Thu Feb 5 22:20:40 2004 From: tachyon at comporium.net (Thomas Martin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <200402060258.i162wCOE058097@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:01:12 -0500 > From: "Joe R." > Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040205150112.008ad5d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Did you guys see this? > . > It's a thin manual for an EPROM programmer. This clown wants $9.80 for > shipping AND $2.80 for insurance (REQUIRED no less). Actual postage for > this via USPS bookrate is about 40 cents and insurance is 35 cents! How do > these clowns expect to stay in business! > > Joe Did you notice that it's coming from Canada? Tom From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 5 23:50:05 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: AMSTRAD PCW8256 systems avaialble in Tuscon, Arizona Message-ID: See below. It's a very terse exchange. Basically, an Amstrad PCW8256 is available in Tuscon. Go get it. Leave me out of it. Reply-to: jvansickler@cox.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:45:39 -0400 From: jvansickler@cox.net To: Vintage Computer Festival Subject: Re: Re: AMSTRAD PCW8256 systems & sw available Tucson, Arizona > > From: Vintage Computer Festival > Date: 2003/10/03 Fri AM 01:19:21 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: AMSTRAD PCW8256 systems & sw available > > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 jvansickler@cox.net wrote: > > > Let me know if you're interested. > > Hi Jim. > > Where are they located? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From ron.hudson at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 6 00:28:00 2004 From: ron.hudson at sbcglobal.net (Ron Hudson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Atari Portfolio hard drives? In-Reply-To: <20040206015303.5F678154E9E@mail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <9C5DF2C2-586D-11D8-BADD-000393C5A0B6@sbcglobal.net> On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 05:53 PM, David Vohs wrote: > Does anyone know if anyone ever made a hard drive for the Atari > Portfolio? I'd love to just have an Atari Portfolio :^) From ygehrich at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 12:51:13 2004 From: ygehrich at yahoo.com (Gene Ehrich) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Cashtrac.exe ??? Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.2.20040205134800.01f905b8@popmail.voicenet.com> Is anybody here familiar with an older DOS checkbook program called CASHTRAC. I used to run it with Windows 95 in the DOS box and am trying to get it to run under WIN XP PRO I get the following error ERROR 71 in line 200 Drive Door Open Any answers or thoughts would be appreciated. From gordonjcp at gjcp.net Thu Feb 5 08:57:31 2004 From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? In-Reply-To: <200402051425.i15EP1p04752@mwave.heeltoe.com> References: <200402051425.i15EP1p04752@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: <1075992330.22024.13.camel@pluto> On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 14:25, Brad Parker wrote: > > I had a spare moment yesterday so I decided to try and troubleshoot my > bad M7891-DC (128kw) in an 11/34a. > > Looks like I have no +12v. The 12v regulator seems to be working as I > have 12v up the 2A fuse. But nothing after that. > > I'm assuming the fuse has blown. Easy to replace, but I also suspect it > blew for a reason. (and replacing it might just yield another blown fuse > :-) Hmm, usually the transistors blow to protect the fuse... > Anyone seen this before? Do they sometimes blow due to transients? Fuses do just blow sometimes. You could try replacing it and seeing what happens, but make sure it's got the same rating. Another old audio amp trick is to use a car indicator bulb (12v, 21W) or tail light bulb (12v, 5W) across the fuse - if it's drawing a clearly silly current, the bulb will light. > I'm tempted to apply 12v after the fuse with a bench supply that has a > current regulator and see what it draws. It's been a while since I > worked with "plain old DRAMs" but I assume the 12v is for them (Vdd). Be careful - my bench PSU, when set to 12v, actually produces 6v-0-6v with chassis earth (and hence mains earth) being the 0v centre tap. What type of DRAM chip is it? I seem to recall that the 4116 DRAMs used in the ZX Spectrums tended to fail short-circuit between 12v and 0v. This usually stopped the chopper PSU that provided +12v and -5v from the nominal 9v input. This caused mad black-and-white flickering, because the RAM was reading out random garbage and the 12v supply also fed the colour encoder. HTH Gordon. From lyosnorezel at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 10:55:26 2004 From: lyosnorezel at yahoo.com (Lyos Norezel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? In-Reply-To: <006201c3eb5b$361fa260$6401a8c0@knology.net> Message-ID: <20040205165526.25483.qmail@web41712.mail.yahoo.com> Paul Pennington wrote: "Lyos Norezel" asked: There have been a bunch of Z-80 projects over the years. Two books that describe Z-80 construction projects are: Z-80 Microcomputer Design Projects, by William Barden, Jr., Sams, 1980 Build Your Own Z80 Computer, by Steve Ciarcia, Byte Books, 1981 One other thought: just pick up a Texas Instruments 83+ calculator -- it has a Z-80 as its CPU. Thanks for the info... I'll have to look for those. Not that strange -- after the destruction of the Spanish Armada, sailors who swam ashore are supposed to have started several Spanish lines. I have a line from Scotland in my family tree with the name Caudill. There is speculation it was originally Cordillo. Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia Are you interested in genealogy? If so you ought to talk to a good friend of mine... his name's Jason Peter Herbert and he's been tracing the Herbert/Zumbado/Cooley/Shields/Kingery/Alden/Mullins line for a few years now. You might find a connection in that line. If you want to talk to him send him an email at either of the below addresses. Lyos Gemini Norezel jasonpherbert@yahoo.com jasonherbert@oslb.net acevonwildfire@yahoo.com AceUSMC@aol.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online From lyosnorezel at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 10:56:57 2004 From: lyosnorezel at yahoo.com (Lyos Norezel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040205165657.55248.qmail@web41713.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the links Sellam. Lyos Gemini Norezel Vintage Computer Festival wrote: Links from the VCF Link Library in the Vintage Microprocessor Resources: Z80: Home of the Z80 CPU http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/3938/z80_home.htm Z80 Based Projects: http://themotionstore.com/leeedavison/z80/ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online From lyosnorezel at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 11:02:02 2004 From: lyosnorezel at yahoo.com (Lyos Norezel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040205170202.62870.qmail@web41707.mail.yahoo.com> Ron... you seem to have gotten my message and Paul's mixed up... I was the one building the laptop and Paul responded with a few books for me to read if I can. As for the output... I'm gonna try to rig up my laptop LCD screen (1280x1024 max res) from my old PII system that is falling apart (I never liked it anyway). If it works I'll let ya'll know. Lyos Gemini Norezel Ron Hudson wrote: On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 06:27 PM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >>> Hey all... I am currently in the process of designing (and hopefully >>> later building) a dual Z80 laptop. Paul, What are you using for output? LCD screen? Where do you get it? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online From Degnan at degnanco.net Thu Feb 5 12:28:10 2004 From: Degnan at degnanco.net (Degnan@degnanco.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT 128D) Message-ID: With the help of Ed Shockley and his web site insectria.net I was able to get a very trashed B128 machine up and running correctly. He's the expert with the B128 and his site can answer most questions. Direct Link: http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/d/r/drshock/b128.html Bill >Message: 28 >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:35:13 -0800 (PST) >From: steven >Subject: This just in - Commodore B128 low profile computer (NOT 128D) >To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >Message-ID: <20040205073513.81782.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Don't know much about it yet, but it sure is pretty! >Seems to work fine. > >It came out the same time as the C-64, supposed to >replace the PET and be their business computer, but >didn't sell well, I guess. From Van.Snyder at jpl.nasa.gov Thu Feb 5 20:48:55 2004 From: Van.Snyder at jpl.nasa.gov (Van.Snyder@jpl.nasa.gov) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Bendix G-15 Message-ID: <200402060248.i162mtLx016867@math.jpl.nasa.gov> A correspondent claims that you have a complete set of Bendix G-15 manuals. Have you scanned them? Do you have any that Paul Pierce doesn't have (see http://www.piercefuller.com/collect/bendix/index.html)? Are you willing to lend them to have them scanned? Best regards, Van Snyder From vp at mcs.drexel.edu Thu Feb 5 21:15:37 2004 From: vp at mcs.drexel.edu (Vassilis Prevelakis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: 'melted' tape roller Message-ID: <200402060315.i163FbZY003705@king.cs.drexel.edu> > > lot firmer), if you happen to have the liquid nitrogen.... > I didn't have any the last time I looked :) You should have come to the hacker's conference at Yosemite; somebody brought a 4 ft tall flask of liquid nitrogen for demos, but we also used some of it to make instant ice cream (excellent!). **vp From oliv555 at arrl.net Fri Feb 6 01:52:36 2004 From: oliv555 at arrl.net (Nick Oliviero) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: another drive replacement mfr In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:27:55 -0800 "Zane H. Healy" wrote: >>http://www.wilsonlabs.com/disk-drive-replacement.htm >> >>I see Wilson Labs, who used to sell disk and drive testers, >>is in the disk replacement biz now. > >Anyone have any idea how much their WBC 512 is? A MFM replacement >disk would be cool! > > Zane > Dunno about the MFM boxes, but we bought the RK05 replacement WBC3000's for the 11/45s at my workplace about 5 years ago. Try $3500, each. They consist of a single interface board and an internal SCSI removable drive. Initially came with Syquests which proceeded to die on a regular basis. Wilson then replaced them with Zip100's and they've been fairly reliable since. A single Zip cart in our units is formatted to emulate 22 rk05's, well below the Zip's capacity. The drawback is that they are switch addressable, i.e: the wilson box is seen as a single entity on the RK11 chain and only the selected partition is accessible. Whew. Long-winded response, sorry. I was bored. -nick o From esharpe at uswest.net Fri Feb 6 02:16:24 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! References: <200402052239.59025.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: <002601c3ec89$82ca0c20$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> now what the hell is a 600 volt outlet? 110 220 440 maybe but 600 volt? hmm..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Finnegan" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Greedy E-bay idiots! > On Thursday 05 February 2004 18:53, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: > > > Have you ever noticed how many times some people will relist the > > > same item? I remember one item that I know the seller relisted at > > > least 8 times. They must be paying an arm and a leg in listing > > > fees. You'd think they'd wise up after it didn't sell the first > > > couple of times. > > > > Yeah, that really gets me. Especially when I make a reasonable offer > > on something that has received no bids at least a couple times, and > > the seller balks and relists it. By the time they actually do sell > > it (if ever) they are already in the hole with all the listing fees! > > > > Who ARE these people!? > > You mean like this guy? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075103057 > > That's been relisted on eBay since last Spring or maybe Winter. With a > $4k start bid, that can't be cheap. At this point it wouldn't suprise > me if he's spent hundres of $$ just relisting the machine. If he just > had some sense to either lower the opening bid or sell it in some other > venue that bought that kind of thing... And from an email exchange I > had with that guy when I was considering buying it, he's 1) got no idea > what he has and 2) is willing to sell it for less money. I think I > managed to get him down to $2500 or $2k - I'd be suprised if he > wouldn't have sold it by now if he'd set the start bid to something > near that. > > Of couse, he seems to resell Compaq PeeCee hardware, so he can't be all > that bright. ;) > > Pat > -- > Purdue University ITAP/RCS > Information Technology at Purdue > Research Computing and Storage > http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ > > From ron.hudson at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 6 03:45:49 2004 From: ron.hudson at sbcglobal.net (Ron Hudson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: waaa! Ebay Pollymorphic 88 Item number: 2784817061 Message-ID: <3EFAF06E-5889-11D8-93A8-000393C5A0B6@sbcglobal.net> And I am between jobs :^( From philpem at dsl.pipex.com Fri Feb 6 03:52:52 2004 From: philpem at dsl.pipex.com (Philip Pemberton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Atari Portfolio hard drives? In-Reply-To: <9C5DF2C2-586D-11D8-BADD-000393C5A0B6@sbcglobal.net> References: <9C5DF2C2-586D-11D8-BADD-000393C5A0B6@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: In message <9C5DF2C2-586D-11D8-BADD-000393C5A0B6@sbcglobal.net> Ron Hudson wrote: > I'd love to just have an Atari Portfolio :^) I think I'll stick with my HP 700LX, thanks. OTOH, I would like a copy of dBase III or III+ for it :) Later. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem@dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, 10BaseT Ethernet, 2-slice, http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI From Christian.Corti at studserv.uni-stuttgart.de Fri Feb 6 03:53:12 2004 From: Christian.Corti at studserv.uni-stuttgart.de (Christian Corti) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: RL02 Head install info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Tony Duell wrote: > bad head. I've never actually done an RL head replacement, but I've done > it for RK05s, and I remember just replacing a single head if the other > one was OK. The heads do not come as matched pairs, any 'down' head will > work with any 'up' head. There are definitely different kind of RK05 heads. We had to replace the heads from a RK05 drive for our LAB8/e just two or three weesk ago. Trying to align the heads with an alignment pack and executing the data reliability tests revealed that there are low amplitude heads and high amplitude heads as well as low amplitude disk packs and high amplitude ones. The failed head was a high amplitude one and we tried several low amplitude heads that wouldn't work together with the read/write amplifier card. At last we found a head pair with high output. Afterwards we found a small note in one ECO manual for the RK05 that mentioned high and low amplitude packs but not heads. Our scope (btw. a very good Tek 555!) proved that there are different heads, too. Christian From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Fri Feb 6 06:14:17 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: References: <200402060258.i162wCOE058097@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040206071417.0082c8f0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 11:20 PM 2/5/04 -0500, you wrote: >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:01:12 -0500 >> From: "Joe R." >> Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! >> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040205150112.008ad5d0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Did you guys see this? >> >5>. >> It's a thin manual for an EPROM programmer. This clown wants $9.80 for >> shipping AND $2.80 for insurance (REQUIRED no less). Actual postage for >> this via USPS bookrate is about 40 cents and insurance is 35 cents! How >do >> these clowns expect to stay in business! >> >> Joe > >Did you notice that it's coming from Canada? Yes. And? From pat at computer-refuge.org Fri Feb 6 07:17:35 2004 From: pat at computer-refuge.org (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Greedy E-bay idiots! In-Reply-To: <002601c3ec89$82ca0c20$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> References: <200402052239.59025.pat@computer-refuge.org> <002601c3ec89$82ca0c20$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <200402060817.35223.pat@computer-refuge.org> On Friday 06 February 2004 03:16, ed sharpe wrote: > now what the hell is a 600 volt outlet? > > 110 220 440 maybe but 600 volt? hmm..... > I've talked to Purdue's IBM SP rep (before our SP went off of maintenance contract because IBM wanted silly amounts for it), and he said "Yes, they make those". He said that they were common in some 3rd world countries, and sometimes used by the military in the US. Now, that's some "house wiring" I wouldn't want to have to do (or at least worry about nicking wires or some such)! I'm glad my S/390 came with the lower voltage 200-480VAC autoranging power supply. :) Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From vax3900 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 07:57:30 2004 From: vax3900 at yahoo.com (SHAUN RIPLEY) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Need some schematics... anyone? In-Reply-To: <20040205170202.62870.qmail@web41707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040206135730.13904.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lyos Norezel wrote: > Ron... you seem to have gotten my message and Paul's > mixed up... I was the one building the laptop and > Paul responded with a few books for me to read if I > can. As for the output... I'm gonna try to rig up my > laptop LCD screen (1280x1024 max res) from my old > PII system that is falling apart (I never liked it > anyway). If it works I'll let ya'll know. > Lyos Gemini Norezel How is this one? http://sales.goldmine-elec.com/prodinfo.asp?prodid=8258 Note: I am not in any way related to this website. > > Ron Hudson wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 06:27 PM, Vintage > Computer Festival > wrote: > >>> Hey all... I am currently in the process of > designing (and hopefully > >>> later building) a dual Z80 laptop. > Paul, What are you using for output? LCD screen? > Where do you get it? > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From pkoning at equallogic.com Fri Feb 6 08:43:10 2004 From: pkoning at equallogic.com (Paul Koning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: RL02 Head install info References: Message-ID: <16419.43006.187000.402673@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Christian" == Christian Corti writes: Christian> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Tony Duell wrote: >> bad head. I've never actually done an RL head replacement, but >> I've done it for RK05s, and I remember just replacing a single >> head if the other one was OK. The heads do not come as matched >> pairs, any 'down' head will work with any 'up' head. Christian> There are definitely different kind of RK05 heads. We had Christian> to replace the heads from a RK05 drive for our LAB8/e just Christian> two or three weesk ago. Trying to align the heads with an Christian> alignment pack and executing the data reliability tests Christian> revealed that there are low amplitude heads and high Christian> amplitude heads as well as low amplitude disk packs and Christian> high amplitude ones. The failed head was a high amplitude Christian> one and we tried several low amplitude heads that wouldn't Christian> work together with the read/write amplifier card. At last Christian> we found a head pair with high output. Afterwards we Christian> found a small note in one ECO manual for the RK05 that Christian> mentioned high and low amplitude packs but not heads. Our Christian> scope (btw. a very good Tek 555!) proved that there are Christian> different heads, too. That's puzzling. On the other hand, I remember a difference between "up" and "down" heads, which has to do with the way the heads "fly" above the disk surface. The heads need the right amount of pressure towards the disk surface for the flying height to be correct. If it isn't, you'll get low amplitude (flying too high) or possibly head crashes (flying too low). For a head flying above the disk, gravity and the head mounting springs are pushing in the same direction; for a head flying below the disk, gravity is lifting the head away from the surface while the mounting springs push it to the surface. So I would expect a head meant to be above the disk to give low amplitude if installed below the disk. In any case, this is one explanation why it matters. paul From paul at frixxon.co.uk Fri Feb 6 08:45:22 2004 From: paul at frixxon.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Where is the Comprehensive Computer Catalogue? Message-ID: <4023A882.3010003@frixxon.co.uk> Does anyone know whether Hans Pufal's Comprehensive Computer Catalogue is still around? His pages at ACONIT have gone, and Google didn't turn up any new location. Is Hans still on this list? I was reminded of this while looking at Tiziano's 1000Bit, which lists a little over 1000 computers; the CCC had over 5000 entries! -- Paul From brianmahoney at look.ca Fri Feb 6 10:18:18 2004 From: brianmahoney at look.ca (Brian Mahoney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update Message-ID: <004701c3eccc$e708c120$0300a8c0@look.ca> For several years I have maintained a list of computer collectors on my home page and for the last year I have had a specific site at another url. The list has over 40 names on it. Besides listing the collectors and their contact information (well, most of them anyway) there is an email address for the list itself and I send out emails to list whenever I get a query about donations or sales. Ok, so far so good. The problem is that I don't have email addresses for everyone on the list. Also, there may be members of this group who would like to be on the list. Therefore : 1. Anyone who wants to be on the list, please send me an email at : antiquecomputers@hotmail.com Make sure you have a good email addy in your response. Thanks! 2. Anyone on the list who has not provided me with an email by March 1st will be deleted from the list until an emaill address is provided. Please don't respond to this post, unless it is to comment on the lists, respond to : antiquecomputers@hotmail.com Lastly, I assume that nearly everyone here has some sort of site on the web. Mine has been up since 1995, relocated in 1997, and has spawned hundreds of emails from all over the world. The list of collectors provides me with a place to turn when I get leads about computers in Europe and the States. Since I don't buy computers any more, only taking donations, any offers of computers for sale or from locations outside of metro Toronto that are sent to my home page email adress, are sent to the members of the list. ALL requests to the antiquecomputers@hotmail.com email address are re-sent to members of the list. Hope this makes sense ! Brian Mahoney From brianmahoney at look.ca Fri Feb 6 10:28:11 2004 From: brianmahoney at look.ca (Brian Mahoney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: list urls - forgot to put them in References: <004701c3eccc$e708c120$0300a8c0@look.ca> Message-ID: <005201c3ecce$48d5dfe0$0300a8c0@look.ca> The standalone list is at this site : http://www.geocities.com/computercollectors/index.htm The same list is also available on a link from my personl page and is here : http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9107/collectors.htm From brianmahoney at look.ca Fri Feb 6 10:41:04 2004 From: brianmahoney at look.ca (Brian Mahoney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update References: <004701c3eccc$e708c120$0300a8c0@look.ca> Message-ID: <006001c3ecd0$1532a860$0300a8c0@look.ca> (I hope this attaches to my first post. My first attempt came up as a separate post. ) The standalone list is at this site : http://www.geocities.com/computercollectors/index.htm The same list is also available on a link from my personl page and is here : http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9107/collectors.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Mahoney" To: Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:18 AM Subject: Computer Collectors List - update For several years I have maintained a list of computer collectors on my home page and for the last year I have had a specific site at another url. The list has over 40 names on it. Besides listing the collectors and their contact information (well, most of them anyway) there is an email address for the list itself and I send out emails to list whenever I get a query about donations or sales. Ok, so far so good. The problem is that I don't have email addresses for everyone on the list. Also, there may be members of this group who would like to be on the list. Therefore : 1. Anyone who wants to be on the list, please send me an email at : antiquecomputers@hotmail.com Make sure you have a good email addy in your response. Thanks! 2. Anyone on the list who has not provided me with an email by March 1st will be deleted from the list until an emaill address is provided. Please don't respond to this post, unless it is to comment on the lists, respond to : antiquecomputers@hotmail.com Lastly, I assume that nearly everyone here has some sort of site on the web. Mine has been up since 1995, relocated in 1997, and has spawned hundreds of emails from all over the world. The list of collectors provides me with a place to turn when I get leads about computers in Europe and the States. Since I don't buy computers any more, only taking donations, any offers of computers for sale or from locations outside of metro Toronto that are sent to my home page email adress, are sent to the members of the list. ALL requests to the antiquecomputers@hotmail.com email address are re-sent to members of the list. Hope this makes sense ! Brian Mahoney From dwight.elvey at amd.com Fri Feb 6 11:51:21 2004 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: waaa! Ebay Pollymorphic 88 Item number: 2784817061 Message-ID: <200402061751.JAA05724@clulw009.amd.com> Hi All If someone on the list gets this, I have quite a bit of software that I've collected for this machine. It looks like someone has changed the machine to be a CPM machine. It looks to have both the serial ( rs232/20mil ) and cassette interfaces. It seems to be missing the video board ( where the keyboard would connect to ). If someone gets this, I do have a spare video board that I might be talked into trading for something else, if someone wanted to bring it back to an original condition. I also have quite a bit of documentation for the Poly88. It does require a parallel keyboard to work with the video board ( As I recall all console I/O can be revectored at boot using a ROM at 400h. This could make the serial be the console but I don't think the debug monitor is revectored ). Although, the ROM's on the CPU starts at address 0000h, there is a control bit that one can shadow the ROM and allow the machine to exist in complete RAM. I can explain this to anyone that wants to do so. The software I have is all Poly88 cassette based software. I have an assembler, BASIC, many of the Poly demo programs and I also have a ROM based tiny BASIC as well. I have also written code to bootstrap a system from the serial port ( does require the system debug monitor to function ). Dwight >From: "Ron Hudson" > >And I am between jobs :^( > > From willisj at atlantis.clogic-int.com Fri Feb 6 11:43:05 2004 From: willisj at atlantis.clogic-int.com (John Willis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: IBM PC5150 monitor wanted/question In-Reply-To: <1076000010.4488.19.camel@weka.localdomain> from Jules Richardson at Feb "5, " 2004 "04:53:31" pm Message-ID: <200402061743.KAA14066@atlantis.clogic-int.com> I'm looking for the full-height 360k DSDD drives for my 5150 PC. The black ones, with the beefy latch that goes up and down rather than the swingingkind so prevalent on newer ones. Not terribly concerned about having the little IBM logo--my 5150's original drives didn't, IIRC It's a 1984-era 5150, with AMD processor and a 256kb motherboard, fully populated, an Everex memory expansion board with another 256k, a ST-506 interface connected to a 30MB hard drive, a Zenith Data Systems composite video monitor, and an ATi Graphics Solution CGA card. It originally had the two FH 360k drives and I would like to get back to that. -- John Willis UNIX Systems Administrator Associate Lockheed Martin IS&S CEO and Co-Founder Coherent Logic Development http://www.coherent-logic.com/ willisj@atlantis.clogic-int.com From ron.hudson at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 6 12:43:24 2004 From: ron.hudson at sbcglobal.net (Ron Hudson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: waaa! Ebay Pollymorphic 88 Item number: 2784817061 In-Reply-To: <200402061751.JAA05724@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <5861EA42-58D4-11D8-A773-000393C5A0B6@sbcglobal.net> Dwight, Do you still have the original documentation for the ROM monitor? Any way you could scan it? pretty please? I used to have a Polly 88, I was in the Navy on a destroyer, and it was not a good environment for an s100 computer, When the ship was at sea, it would rock back and forth a lot and my s100 would suffer from "impact poisoning", Finally I traded my polly 88 for an HP41C/Card Reader that was a bit more robust. Ron ron.hudson@sbcglobal.net On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 09:51 AM, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > > Hi All > If someone on the list gets this, I have quite a bit of software > that I've collected for this machine. It looks like someone has > changed the machine to be a CPM machine. It looks to have both > the serial ( rs232/20mil ) and cassette interfaces. It seems to > be missing the video board ( where the keyboard would connect to ). > If someone gets this, I do have a spare video board that I might > be talked into trading for something else, if someone wanted to > bring it back to an original condition. I also have quite a > bit of documentation for the Poly88. It does require a parallel > keyboard to work with the video board ( As I recall all console > I/O can be revectored at boot using a ROM at 400h. This could > make the serial be the console but I don't think the debug > monitor is revectored ). > Although, the ROM's on the CPU starts at address 0000h, there > is a control bit that one can shadow the ROM and allow the machine > to exist in complete RAM. I can explain this to anyone that wants > to do so. The software I have is all Poly88 cassette based software. > I have an assembler, BASIC, many of the Poly demo programs and > I also have a ROM based tiny BASIC as well. I have also written > code to bootstrap a system from the serial port ( does require > the system debug monitor to function ). > Dwight > >> From: "Ron Hudson" >> >> And I am between jobs :^( >> >> > From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Fri Feb 6 13:26:27 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: Merlin Tonto monitor update Message-ID: Evenin' UK folks, afternoon US folks :) I've just stripped down the Tonto monitor that was screeching and I was amazed and not a little alarmed to discover that the HT lead to the tube had physically come away! How the hells can that happen when it's just been sitting on a shelf? After appearing in the pix on my Tonto page it went back downstairs and sat on the floor of the storage room for a few months before I found shelf space to put it on! Weird. -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From waltje at pdp11.nl Fri Feb 6 14:14:40 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: *grunt* Message-ID: Sorry, just gotta let off steam. Got two new DEC RoamAbout cards... bah! These are the UK version, so wont to the one in my AP... *bah* --f -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA From waltje at pdp11.nl Fri Feb 6 14:29:38 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: gcc cross compiler for PDP-11 In-Reply-To: <20040203133444.GE25748@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Jochen Kunz wrote: > GCC 2.95 has serious problems corss compiling across the LP32 / LP64 > boundary. I can say this out of my own experience as a NetBSD hacker. Not relevant for the -11 backend :) --f From lists at microvax.org Fri Feb 6 14:33:59 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: *grunt* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402062034.00301.lists@microvax.org> On Friday 06 February 2004 20:14, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > Sorry, just gotta let off steam. Got two new DEC RoamAbout > cards... bah! These are the UK version, so wont to the one > in my AP... Won't they at least sync up to each other? What's so different about UK vs. US versions? Want to dump them on someone in the UK? ;) alex/melt From waltje at pdp11.nl Fri Feb 6 14:39:37 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: *grunt* In-Reply-To: <200402062034.00301.lists@microvax.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, meltie wrote: > On Friday 06 February 2004 20:14, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > Sorry, just gotta let off steam. Got two new DEC RoamAbout > > cards... bah! These are the UK version, so wont to the one > > in my AP... > > Won't they at least sync up to each other? What's so different about UK vs. > US versions? Basically, the 2.4G cards using FH did not yet use the more or less standardized channels, since they werent there yet. Instead, different sets of usable channels were defined for each of the various (mostly non-US) countries, making them largely incomatible because of that :( What we *really* need is a firmware blaster, to re-blast a single image into all of these critters- obviously, their hardware is exactly the same, its just the software settings... > Want to dump them on someone in the UK? ;) I might, eventually.. --f From jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to Fri Feb 6 15:25:46 2004 From: jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to (Jerome H. Fine) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian Filter detected spam References: <004701c3eccc$e708c120$0300a8c0@look.ca> <006001c3ecd0$1532a860$0300a8c0@look.ca> Message-ID: <4024065A.AC936305@compsys.to> >Brian Mahoney wrote: > (I hope this attaches to my first post. My first attempt came up as a > separate post. ) > The standalone list is at this site : > http://www.geocities.com/computercollectors/index.htm > The same list is also available on a link from my personl page and is here : > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9107/collectors.htm > From: "Brian Mahoney" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:18 AM > Subject: Computer Collectors List - update > For several years I have maintained a list of computer collectors on my home > page and for the last year I have had a specific site at another url. The > list has over 40 names on it. Besides listing the collectors and their > contact information (well, most of them anyway) there is an email address > for the list itself and I send out emails to list whenever I get a query > about donations or sales. > > Ok, so far so good. The problem is that I don't have email addresses for > everyone on the list. Also, there may be members of this group who would > like to be on the list. Therefore : > > 1. Anyone who wants to be on the list, please send me an email at : > antiquecomputers@hotmail.com > Make sure you have a good email addy in your response. Thanks! > > 2. Anyone on the list who has not provided me with an email by March 1st > will be deleted from the list until an emaill address is provided. > > Please don't respond to this post, unless it is to comment on the lists, > respond to : antiquecomputers@hotmail.com > > Lastly, I assume that nearly everyone here has some sort of site on the web. > Mine has been up since 1995, relocated in 1997, and has spawned hundreds of > emails from all over the world. The list of collectors provides me with a > place to turn when I get leads about computers in Europe and the States. > Since I don't buy computers any more, only taking donations, any offers of > computers for sale or from locations outside of metro Toronto that are sent > to my home page email adress, are sent to the members of the list. ALL > requests to the antiquecomputers@hotmail.com email address are re-sent to > members of the list. Hope this makes sense ! Jerome Fine replies: Your links can't be used by the version of Netscape that I am using - V4.78. Do you think it might be possible to make it backward compatible? Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year. From arcarlini at iee.org Fri Feb 6 15:41:02 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: *grunt* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004a01c3ecf9$ec85cf30$5b01a8c0@athlon> > What we *really* need is a firmware blaster, to re-blast a > single image into all of these critters- obviously, their > hardware is exactly the same, its just the software settings... The new (802.11b) firmware was available from Cabletron and/or DNPG. But the firmware you seem to have (the pre-802.11b stuff, ie the original stuff) is harder to get hold of (ctron/dnpg stopped making it available on the web years ago). So you want to find some way of preserving it before you go overwriting it. (Always assuming there *is* some way of getting it off again). Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From waltje at pdp11.nl Fri Feb 6 16:10:10 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: *grunt* In-Reply-To: <004a01c3ecf9$ec85cf30$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Antonio Carlini wrote: > The new (802.11b) firmware was available from Cabletron > and/or DNPG. Yes. > But the firmware you seem to have (the > pre-802.11b stuff, ie the original stuff) is harder > to get hold of (ctron/dnpg stopped making it available > on the web years ago). Yes, that was apparent. The real question is.. how/where do we find it. > So you want to find some > way of preserving it before you go overwriting it. > (Always assuming there *is* some way of getting > it off again). The tools they used to localize the generic cards by blasting a set of {firmware+settings} would be needed. I assume this was done by DEC, not Ctron, so I'll just have to find someone who knows about it and bother to no end... --f From bowlarol at rochester.rr.com Fri Feb 6 14:51:33 2004 From: bowlarol at rochester.rr.com (BowlARoll) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:13 2005 Subject: 3M/Imation DC2000 tapes Message-ID: <000801c3ecf3$01813980$86d8d518@BOWLAROLL> Hello: Are these tapes available and at what cost? You can reach me at 585-427-7250. Thanks. 20 Imation DC2000 40meg Bill From order at saracom.com Fri Feb 6 12:51:47 2004 From: order at saracom.com (order@saracom.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: 600 Volt Outlet - was "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Message-ID: <20040206105148.1551.h010.c000.wm@mail.saracom.com.criticalpath.net> > Message: 21 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:16:24 -0700 > From: "ed sharpe" > Subject: Re: Greedy E-bay idiots! > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > <002601c3ec89$82ca0c20$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > now what the hell is a 600 volt outlet? > > 110 220 440 maybe but 600 volt? hmm..... > > I use it all the time but in a non-standard application. I do AC power fault simulation on Telco equipment. Since the tranformers are standard off the shelf units, I thought I would ask an engineer friend. Industrial induction motors use 1000 volt feed from a delt transformer. It comes out 1000 line to line or 577 line to ground. 577 is effectively 600. Most of your wiring and other devices are rated at 600vac. Max From waltje at pdp11.nl Fri Feb 6 17:19:18 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: *blush (RE: *grunt*) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hrrm. You know... sometimes it *really* helps to ask a woman whether you still look OK or not..... I basically realized, that *although* the RoamAbout card *did* see the access point, it did not get any traffic through. That is, hmm, odd. ... until it daunted upon me. "AHEM. Is the segment on which the AP resides, actually connected to the backbone????" So.. I ran upstairs, and sure enough... the BNC connector from that segment was unplugged from the DEMPR. Waaaaah! Why? Well, I had a weird problem here when I was in the U.S., and I had my jump-in sys admin disconnect all networks that were not needed for core operations.... :( So there. It works now. At least the UK and DE/NL versions of the RoamAbout cards *do* talk together. They both hate the U.S. card, though.... Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA From jpl15 at panix.com Fri Feb 6 17:39:18 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay Message-ID: I snagged this for $20.... just for a nice trophy. Suprising no one else bid on it... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075270294&category=1479&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 Anyway - thought it would look cool unfolded and hanging on the Machine Room wall.... Cheers John From brianmahoney at look.ca Fri Feb 6 17:42:16 2004 From: brianmahoney at look.ca (Brian Mahoney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian Filter detected spam References: <004701c3eccc$e708c120$0300a8c0@look.ca><006001c3ecd0$1532a860$0300a8c0@look.ca> <4024065A.AC936305@compsys.to> Message-ID: <001701c3ed0a$ecd5db40$0300a8c0@look.ca> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome H. Fine" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian Filter detected spam > >Brian Mahoney wrote: I'm not really sure how to do that, I use Dreamweaver to set up the page. I'll check the settings to see what comes up. I know that IE6 always says 'done but with errors' and what the heck that means, I'll never know. Let me work on it. B.M. > Jerome Fine replies: > > Your links can't be used by the version of Netscape that > I am using - V4.78. Do you think it might be possible to > make it backward compatible? > > Sincerely yours, > > Jerome Fine > -- > If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail > address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk > e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be > obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the > 'at' with the four digits of the current year. > > From dvcorbin at optonline.net Fri Feb 6 19:24:22 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John, hopefully you are joking about using this card as "art". There are many of us who could and would put it do good use in an active machine. David. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Lawson Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:39 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Dec core mem on eBay I snagged this for $20.... just for a nice trophy. Suprising no one else bid on it... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075270294&category=1479& sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 Anyway - thought it would look cool unfolded and hanging on the Machine Room wall.... Cheers John From jwest at classiccmp.org Fri Feb 6 19:42:08 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: HP2000/Access - (benchmarks) References: Message-ID: <003301c3ed1b$99953be0$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Mike wrote.... > Here's a quick chain test for doing 255 (+-) chains with timing for my > SIMH configuration as described (about 23 sec.) I would hope that real hardware > would out perform it. If not I'll have to think about what could be wrong with > the simulator and come up with another test. Let me know what you get, Jay, next > time you have her up. Chain test results on dual 2100(32Kw) 7906 drive 28 2 28 45 this should mean about 43 seconds Notes: 1) This test really doesn't test much other than the disk drive data transfer rate, cpu excercising is negligable. 2) An emulator should vastly outperform a real disk drive, especially assuming "short cuts" are taken and internally the software isn't going through the same steps the real hardware is. Jay West From jwest at classiccmp.org Fri Feb 6 19:47:00 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: stuff noticed at surplus in st. louis Message-ID: <003901c3ed1c$4856a150$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> A couple of PowerMac 5260/100 machines, condition unknown (forgive me if this is too recent for the list, I know nothing about them as to age). They recently got in a HUGE shipment of old tubes.. all different sizes... some pretty odd looking ones too. Anyone want me to look for a particular one? Jay West From jpl15 at panix.com Fri Feb 6 20:03:51 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote: > John, hopefully you are joking about using this card as "art". There are > many of us who could and would put it do good use in an active machine. Yo Dave: Keep yer shirt on. If you look at the pix on the ebay page, you will notice that this is only half the system, and I contacted the seller (who I know) - it's all they have. Its just the core planes and the switching logic. Its a 32KW stack, BTW... I have been active in this hobby for many years, have owned several very rare systems and devices, and rescued and put back in service my share of legacy computing machinery, software and docs and books. I give a lot of volunteer time as well. I deplore folks who tear up computing history for 'art' if there's a good chance that a system could be 'saved' otherwise. There is a special place in Hell for one individual of my acquaintance, who's "hobby" is collecting just the console panels from mainframes and minis - the which Hobby he pursues with screwdriver and diagonal cutters. He sees nothing wrong with that activity, BTW... ;{} In this case - I'm not *destroying* the board, and anyway it's condition is unknown - could already be electrical trash - I won't know until I get it. But nonetheless, I intend to frame it, open, and hang it on the wall in my machine room, Dave. I think it's beautiful, and I think it's enough of a piece of computing history that various people might like to have a look at real core memory. Our IT guy at work has been doing computers for a living for quite a while, and he had no real idea what the word 'core' actually meant.... Now, if it came to my attention that there was a specific, rare or one-of-a-kind machine that could be restored to full operation but for the board that I have - you can bet it would be in FedEx the next day to that site, and I'd find another. Anyway, DEC core stacks are not all that rare - two of the machines from my last big collection had core memory. I want this one to be a display piece in my personal collection... and so it shall be. Cheerz John From dvcorbin at optonline.net Fri Feb 6 20:39:51 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: John, Glad to hear it, sorry if I jumped on you, but it had been a rough day, and I recently lost a good shot at an acquisition to a person known for "kut and scrap". My apologies. David. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Lawson Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:04 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: Dec core mem on eBay On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote: > John, hopefully you are joking about using this card as "art". There are > many of us who could and would put it do good use in an active machine. Yo Dave: Keep yer shirt on. If you look at the pix on the ebay page, you will notice that this is only half the system, and I contacted the seller (who I know) - it's all they have. Its just the core planes and the switching logic. Its a 32KW stack, BTW... I have been active in this hobby for many years, have owned several very rare systems and devices, and rescued and put back in service my share of legacy computing machinery, software and docs and books. I give a lot of volunteer time as well. I deplore folks who tear up computing history for 'art' if there's a good chance that a system could be 'saved' otherwise. There is a special place in Hell for one individual of my acquaintance, who's "hobby" is collecting just the console panels from mainframes and minis - the which Hobby he pursues with screwdriver and diagonal cutters. He sees nothing wrong with that activity, BTW... ;{} In this case - I'm not *destroying* the board, and anyway it's condition is unknown - could already be electrical trash - I won't know until I get it. But nonetheless, I intend to frame it, open, and hang it on the wall in my machine room, Dave. I think it's beautiful, and I think it's enough of a piece of computing history that various people might like to have a look at real core memory. Our IT guy at work has been doing computers for a living for quite a while, and he had no real idea what the word 'core' actually meant.... Now, if it came to my attention that there was a specific, rare or one-of-a-kind machine that could be restored to full operation but for the board that I have - you can bet it would be in FedEx the next day to that site, and I'd find another. Anyway, DEC core stacks are not all that rare - two of the machines from my last big collection had core memory. I want this one to be a display piece in my personal collection... and so it shall be. Cheerz John From ohh at drizzle.com Fri Feb 6 20:51:18 2004 From: ohh at drizzle.com (O. Sharp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Quoth John Lawson: > If you look at the pix on the ebay page, you will notice that this is only > half the system, and I contacted the seller (who I know) - it's all they > have. Its just the core planes and the switching logic. Its a 32KW > stack, BTW... 32Kw x 18, and with ICs around the core planes... was this for a PDP-15, or perhaps a PDP-9? > [...] nonetheless, I intend to frame it, open, and hang it on the wall > in my machine room, Dave. I think it's beautiful, and I think it's enough > of a piece of computing history that various people might like to have a > look at real core memory. Our IT guy at work has been doing computers for > a living for quite a while, and he had no real idea what the word 'core' > actually meant.... Core memories are indeed beautiful. That is, until you have to find and repair a bad connection on one... ...well, okay, they're _still_ beautiful, but in an infinitely more frustrating sort of way. :) I think it's amusing that there are computer people who have never seen or worked with core memory. O'course, I also have coworkers who have never owned a 33-1/3 record, and more recently coworkers who think the idea of a telephone with a cord attached is antiquated. Damn. I _am_ getting old, aren't I? :) -O.- ...but then, I've never used a punch-card or a drum memory, so maybe I _am_ young. :) :) From jpl15 at panix.com Fri Feb 6 20:54:53 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote: > John, > > Glad to hear it, sorry if I jumped on you, but it had been a rough day, and > I recently lost a good shot at an acquisition to a person known for "kut and > scrap". Well I know. There's an original ad for the Bendix G-15 (I had one once...) on eBay that I stopped bidding on after it got above $20... but the high bidder's 'me' page says he's a preservationist, so we'll see. And I've missed many things over the years... "Oh, we thought that was junk." For example - I work in the same building as a manufacturing company with dozens of metal-working machines. I'm good friends with the foreman, who has been an NC and CNC master machinist for many years. I was telling him about my collection - and he said, "Hey - you don't want an old Flexowriter or two...? they're up on the shelf in my old shop in Palo Alto." Well you can imagine my response. BUT: Long story short... they were tossed in the dumpster in September of last year to make room for an upgraded phone system.... YYYAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! ;{ GRRRRR... So it's part and parcel of our Hobby... just because *I* see a rack of PDP11 stuff in a certain light doesn't necessarily map onto the conciousness of the poor schmoe who has to get it out of the warehouse and onto the loading dock and into the roll-off before the scrap company shows up to haul all that old shit away... And thanks for your well-meant concern! Without us, there'd be no LGP-20s, Bendix G-15s, Apple Is.... left in the world. Cheers John From jwest at classiccmp.org Fri Feb 6 20:59:49 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Atari available Message-ID: <004001c3ed26$7342e590$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Local surplus dealer has an Atari 800XL available, he held it for me cause he knows I collect computers. However, I have no interest in it. He just wants someone to make him an offer. No monitor or power supply, condition unknown. He probably doesn't want much for it. Email me if you want his contact info. Jay West From dvcorbin at optonline.net Fri Feb 6 21:04:36 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -0.- Speaking of vinyl...Do you have any 78s or even better 16s? (I have about 40 from 1955 and earlier!) If you never dropped a box on unmarked, non-sequenced cards, you havent lived!!! =============================== John. I know a person (local here on LI) who has 3x ASR-33, 1x ASR-43, 1x Freiden Flexowriter (exact model unknown at this point). All believed to be in working order. The problem is that will only dig them out of storage for someone who will take the entire lot. I have no interest in the Flexowriter (but would never want to see one destroyed), and can really only use one of the ASR-33's. If you would be interested in helping to split up the lot (he wants a fairly high price, but if the quality is good....), please contact me off list. ========================== David... From curt at atarimuseum.com Fri Feb 6 21:09:53 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Atari available In-Reply-To: <004001c3ed26$7342e590$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> References: <004001c3ed26$7342e590$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <40245701.9080408@atarimuseum.com> Thanks Jay, I have plenty of them, I'm going to pass. Curt Jay West wrote: >Local surplus dealer has an Atari 800XL available, he held it for me cause >he knows I collect computers. However, I have no interest in it. He just >wants someone to make him an offer. No monitor or power supply, condition >unknown. He probably doesn't want much for it. Email me if you want his >contact info. > >Jay West > > > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From jwest at classiccmp.org Fri Feb 6 21:10:44 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: more on ibm paradise card Message-ID: <006201c3ed27$f9cf5d90$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Ok, took a closer look at the paradise card in my IBM 5150. It's actually two full length boards, stacked together with standoffs. The "main" board has on the back bracket (from top to bottom), a two position slide switch, a DE9, an RCA jack, and another DE9. Has a sticker saying "DM104338", I'm guessing a serial number maybe. Etched on the board is "Assy 15100". On the second board in the stack, it says "Paradise Systems, Inc." and "Multidisplay card". Silkscreened on the board is "Assy 15200", and "CADAC M01". Also has a sticker, "DM504338", and here's the kicker... hanging off this full length "daughter card" is a ribbon cable that goes to a 2nd bracket with a DB25F connector, I would guess parallel port. >From googling on the net, best I can decipher (VERY little info on it), it may be a combo MDA/CGA card. Can anyone fill in any more info? Jay West From jwest at classiccmp.org Fri Feb 6 21:12:43 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay References: Message-ID: <006a01c3ed28$4103d1f0$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> > If you never dropped a box on unmarked, non-sequenced cards, you havent > lived!!! If they are unmarked, there is no problem ;) I'm a young 39, and I HAVE programmed on punched cards, both on an IBM 24 I think it was, submitting programs to VM/CMS/HASP, and also on an HP2000C & HP2000/Access :) From dvcorbin at optonline.net Fri Feb 6 22:08:36 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: <006a01c3ed28$4103d1f0$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: >>> If you never dropped a box on unmarked, non-sequenced cards, you havent >>> lived!!! >>If they are unmarked, there is no problem ;) I was not referring to un-punched cards, but rather to cards that contained ordered data (such as program source without line numbers) which had not been marked with a pen/pencil/crayon diagonally across the top of the deck. Without the mark, sorting out the cards was virtually impossible. At least with a diagonal mark each card would have a short line on the top edge. Cards from the front of the deck would have the line on the left, cards from the back on the right. This gave a quick method of getting the cards back into order. A card that was out of sequence would show rather quickly when the deck was re-assembled. From nico at farumdata.dk Fri Feb 6 23:00:50 2004 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: 3M/Imation DC2000 tapes References: <000801c3ecf3$01813980$86d8d518@BOWLAROLL> Message-ID: <002101c3ed37$5bab19f0$2201a8c0@finans> >Are these tapes available and at what cost? You can reach me at 585-427-7250. Thanks. >20 Imation DC2000 40meg >Bill I have at least 10 DC2120 tapes from Mitsubishi available, all new AFAIR We can discuss the price. Dont forget the Postage Nico From technobug at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 23:29:03 2004 From: technobug at comcast.net (CRC) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Aluminum Electrolytics (was: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed!) In-Reply-To: <200402060258.i162wCOE058097@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200402060258.i162wCOE058097@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <8A7F02B6-592E-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> On On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:47:34 -0800 (PST), Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > One second? I've always been told to do this over the course of at > least > a couple hours in 5V increments. > > If I can be doing this in a much quicker time then I'd really like to > know > about it. > [...] And on Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:04:52 -0500 (EST), ohn Lawson also wrote: > Then duck! IMHO opinion, and over 40+ years experience, to reform > funky caps takes anywhere from a few minutes to over an hour, > depending on > many variables. If you think you've formed an electrolytic in one > second, > it was either tiny or good-to-begin-with. > > But the thing most folks forget is to somehow monitor the *current* > being drawn during the Process of Reformation. > > Here endeth the Lesson. > > > >> >> One second? I've always been told to do this over the course of at >> least >> a couple hours in 5V increments. >> > > > Again - it depends on the voltage/capacity of the filters involved, > and > just how "bad" gthey are. One simply cannot place an arbitrary > voltage/time delta on all power supplies. > > The Ammeter (or it's analog) is here your friend. > Also at Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:12:53 -0800, "vrs" commented: >>>> >>>> To safely re-energize a piece of equipment that is long in the tooth >>>> and has been sitting around for some time, you have to bring the >>>> voltage up relatively slowly to allow the electrolytic caps to >>>> re-polarize. Everyone who is collecting should own a good-sized > Variac. >>>> You power the box up by bringing the voltage from naught to the >>>> operational level with the Variac over a period of about a second or >> >> Then duck! IMHO opinion, and over 40+ years experience, to reform >> funky caps takes anywhere from a few minutes to over an hour, >> depending on >> many variables. If you think you've formed an electrolytic in one >> second, >> it was either tiny or good-to-begin-with. > > When I read this, I took it to mean the Variac was a preferred method > for > turning on equipment *after* the caps had been reformed, as a matter of > routine. (Otherwise it made no sense to me, based on what I know of > reformation.) That may not be a good idea, but I couldn't dismiss it > out of > hand. > I reference , and excellent overview of aluminum capacitors... The controlling parameter in reforming a capacitor is the amount of heat generated. Generate too much and you blow things up. We have to consider two cases: the capacitor is in circuit, or out of circuit. In the latter case, the recommended method of reforming is by applying the forming voltage through a limiting resistor and then letting the capacitor form at voltage over a period of time with the limiting resistor in circuit. As commented above, the current should be monitored, but the critical term is the final leakage current. If it is out of spec, there is nothing you can do... A capacitor manufacturer used to be in town and they had to monitor old stock for mil spec reasons. Their criteria for reforming old stock was a case temp rise of no more than 5 degrees C and the leakage current had to be in spec in less than 10 minutes. An old electrolytic that takes a long time to reform has probably lost electrolyte and should be considered suspect (its ESR is probably miserable and capacitance below spec). The case of in-circuit caps: With a lot of equipment, if you put it in a brown-out condition, you can fry the silicon. Older switchers are notorious for burning up when operated below their minimum voltage for any length of time. In any case, when lighting equipment, the primary concern is the front end caps. If the leakage current is substantial, you will blow the fuse or take out the rectifier (valves don't have this problem). By using a Variac to bring up the voltage over several seconds, you mitigate the surge and allow initial reforming to take place. If things go, you might as well replace the caps. Depending on the power supply, caps down stream will either see the operating voltage and have to "live" or, in the case where the power supply current limits, will pull down the power supply until formed, if . In the case of switchers, they have a tendency to *turn on* if substantially over-rated (hey, remember we have been taught that it's only current that counts ;<)). So all is not cut and dried. You have to know what you are working with... Hey, and I match your 40+ and raise you a few... From esharpe at uswest.net Fri Feb 6 23:30:19 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: 600 Volt Outlet - was "General Discussion: On-Topic andOff-Topic Posts" References: <20040206105148.1551.h010.c000.wm@mail.saracom.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <002301c3ed3b$799977a0$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> Yes I know the wiring is rated at 600 but I have not seen any semi modern gear that required it.... ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: Re: 600 Volt Outlet - was "General Discussion: On-Topic andOff-Topic Posts" > > Message: 21 > > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:16:24 -0700 > > From: "ed sharpe" > > Subject: Re: Greedy E-bay idiots! > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > > > Message-ID: > > <002601c3ec89$82ca0c20$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > now what the hell is a 600 volt outlet? > > > > 110 220 440 maybe but 600 volt? hmm..... > > > > > > I use it all the time but in a non-standard > application. I do AC power fault simulation on > Telco equipment. Since the tranformers are standard > off the shelf units, I thought I would ask an engineer > friend. > > Industrial induction motors use 1000 volt feed from a > delt transformer. It comes out 1000 line to line or > 577 line to ground. 577 is effectively 600. Most > of your wiring and other devices are rated at 600vac. > > Max > > From aek at spies.com Fri Feb 6 23:45:30 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay Message-ID: <200402070545.i175jUMe011877@spies.com> 32Kw x 18, and with ICs around the core planes... was this for a PDP-15, or perhaps a PDP-9? -- byte parity From jpl15 at panix.com Fri Feb 6 23:56:50 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Aluminum Electrolytics (was: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed!) In-Reply-To: <8A7F02B6-592E-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> References: <200402060258.i162wCOE058097@huey.classiccmp.org> <8A7F02B6-592E-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, CRC wrote: > > So all is not cut and dried. You have to know what you are working > with... Hey, and I match your 40+ and raise you a few... > > [finds reading glasses, Geritol, don't need teeth... lessee here] Waaaallll.... no duh! BUT: I was preaching to the congregation, not the choir. You and I probably can deliver chapter and verse on the care and feeding of fundamental components, their history and evolution, physics, chemistry, mechanics and electronics of them... no doubt. But a lot of folks on the list (most of the folks on the List) are not EEs or MSEs or PhDEs... and we have a very mixed approach to actual 'electronics' - from those who have long careers behind them in design and implementation of electronic circuits and devices - to those to whom electricity is a mystery, an unknown field. So when it is stated in simple language that one can form/reform questionable electrolytics in 'one second' with a Variac (or whatever) - this is exposing people to danger and property to damage, IMHO. That's the point I was trying to make - that there is no 'general case' when bringing up gear with long inop times - and that one cannot prescribe a fixed time span to reform the caps in a (linear) power supply by the Variac method, unless one is aware of the various other points you bring up. And of course you're spot-on in reference to SMPSUs - 'brown' input voltages will often kill 'em dead. And speaking of War Stories: Ever been in the same room with an exploding 1.7F 800VDC storage bank? It's LOUD...... ;} Cheers John From vax3900 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 00:15:30 2004 From: vax3900 at yahoo.com (SHAUN RIPLEY) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: stuff noticed at surplus in st. louis In-Reply-To: <003901c3ed1c$4856a150$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <20040207061530.91584.qmail@web60704.mail.yahoo.com> Why not grab them all and put them on Ebay. There are other groups of people who collect old tubes. I personally have a tube radio... It is junk in their eyes though (it is an AA5). I know that people are looking for 300B tubes, and some other big tubes. Do them a favor, save those tubes. vax3900 --- Jay West wrote: > A couple of PowerMac 5260/100 machines, condition > unknown (forgive me if > this is too recent for the list, I know nothing > about them as to age). > > They recently got in a HUGE shipment of old tubes.. > all different sizes... > some pretty odd looking ones too. Anyone want me to > look for a particular > one? > > Jay West > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Sat Feb 7 00:15:20 2004 From: mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Aluminum Electrolytics (was: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed!) In-Reply-To: References: <200402060258.i162wCOE058097@huey.classiccmp.org> <8A7F02B6-592E-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200402070634.BAA00287@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > And speaking of War Stories: Ever been in the same room with an > exploding 1.7F 800VDC storage bank? > It's LOUD...... Hardly surprising, given how much energy is lurking therein. If my arithmetic is right, that's about .3kWh. Release it all at once - or even any significant fraction thereof - and yes, it's gonna go bang! What was a 1.36 kilocoulomb bank used for, anyway? Railgun? /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From jcwren at jcwren.com Sat Feb 7 01:34:48 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Aluminum Electrolytics In-Reply-To: <200402070634.BAA00287@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> References: <200402060258.i162wCOE058097@huey.classiccmp.org> <8A7F02B6-592E-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> <200402070634.BAA00287@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: <40249518.3080703@jcwren.com> der Mouse wrote: >>And speaking of War Stories: Ever been in the same room with an >>exploding 1.7F 800VDC storage bank? >> >> > > > >>It's LOUD...... >> >> > >Hardly surprising, given how much energy is lurking therein. If my >arithmetic is right, that's about .3kWh. Release it all at once - or >even any significant fraction thereof - and yes, it's gonna go bang! > >What was a 1.36 kilocoulomb bank used for, anyway? Railgun? > >/~\ The ASCII der Mouse >\ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca >/ \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > I'd guess a medium power laser. --jc From philpem at dsl.pipex.com Sat Feb 7 04:15:29 2004 From: philpem at dsl.pipex.com (Philip Pemberton) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e5df27c4c.philpem@dsl.pipex.com> In message "O. Sharp" wrote: > ...but then, I've never used a punch-card or a drum memory, so maybe I > _am_ young. :) :) Um. I'm probably a bit worse than that (depending on your point of view) - I've never seen an 8" floppy disc and I've never even seen - let alone used - a papertape reader/punch. Seeing as it was more-or-less the only reasonably-priced data storage format available at the time the 6502 was released, I thought it would only be fair to let the 6502 have some form of papertape storage. Guess I'm stuck with 3.5" floppy disks though :( Later. -- Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, 6GB, philpem@dsl.pipex.com | ViewFinder, 10BaseT Ethernet, 2-slice, http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI ... Documentation is for people who can't read. From sgp at rearden.com Fri Feb 6 18:18:51 2004 From: sgp at rearden.com (Steve Perlman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Apple 40SC Tape Drive Message-ID: Al- How are you? I hope this is the right email address for you. I read a posting by you about the Apple 40SC drive. Do you have a working one? I have a few old tapes I wanted to recover, but I can't find a drive anywhere. Thanks. *SGP* From michaelp at meer.net Fri Feb 6 18:37:45 2004 From: michaelp at meer.net (Michael Plitkins) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: atari transputer workstation Message-ID: <2153.209.157.156.241.1076114265.squirrel@webmail.meer.net> i just found the following message: ------------- Atari Transputer Workstation for sale Ram Meenakshisundaram cctech@classiccmp.org Tue Jul 1 08:54:30 2003 * Previous message: New here... Looking for PDP 11 / RSTS help * Next message: Atari Transputer Workstation for sale * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi, I know a source for a complete ATW800 in the UK area if anyone is interested. They are asking 250 UKP for it (Cambridge area). Let me know, condition is untested. I wish I could go for it, but since I am across the pond, it is just too costly :-( Cheers, Ram -------------- do you know if this computer is still available for sale? thanks. michael From rmeenaks at olf.com Sat Feb 7 07:10:50 2004 From: rmeenaks at olf.com (Ram Meenakshisundaram) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: atari transputer workstation In-Reply-To: <2153.209.157.156.241.1076114265.squirrel@webmail.meer.net> Message-ID: <0HSP008VNTX194@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Hi Michael, This was actually been sold. And quite quickly as well... Cheers, Ram -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Michael Plitkins Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:38 PM To: cctech@classiccmp.org Subject: atari transputer workstation i just found the following message: ------------- Atari Transputer Workstation for sale Ram Meenakshisundaram cctech@classiccmp.org Tue Jul 1 08:54:30 2003 * Previous message: New here... Looking for PDP 11 / RSTS help * Next message: Atari Transputer Workstation for sale * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi, I know a source for a complete ATW800 in the UK area if anyone is interested. They are asking 250 UKP for it (Cambridge area). Let me know, condition is untested. I wish I could go for it, but since I am across the pond, it is just too costly :-( Cheers, Ram -------------- do you know if this computer is still available for sale? thanks. michael From dancohoe at oxford.net Sat Feb 7 08:30:16 2004 From: dancohoe at oxford.net (Dan Cohoe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: 600 Volt Outlet - was "General Discussion: On-TopicandOff-Topic Posts" In-Reply-To: <002301c3ed3b$799977a0$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <000c01c3ed86$e8afecf0$6501a8c0@DCOHOE> > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of ed sharpe > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 12:30 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: 600 Volt Outlet - was "General Discussion: > On-TopicandOff-Topic Posts" > > > Yes I know the wiring is rated at 600 but I have not seen > any semi modern > gear that required it.... > > ed! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: 600 Volt Outlet - was "General Discussion: On-Topic > andOff-Topic Posts" > > > > > Message: 21 > > > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:16:24 -0700 > > > From: "ed sharpe" > > > Subject: Re: Greedy E-bay idiots! > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > > > > > Message-ID: > > > <002601c3ec89$82ca0c20$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > now what the hell is a 600 volt outlet? > > > > > > 110 220 440 maybe but 600 volt? hmm..... > > > > > > > > > > I use it all the time but in a non-standard > > application. I do AC power fault simulation on > > Telco equipment. Since the tranformers are standard > > off the shelf units, I thought I would ask an engineer > > friend. > > > > Industrial induction motors use 1000 volt feed from a > > delt transformer. It comes out 1000 line to line or > > 577 line to ground. 577 is effectively 600. Most > > of your wiring and other devices are rated at 600vac. > > > > Max > > > > > The standard medium power AC supply in industrial use in Canada is 575 volts (nominally 600). This provides a nominal 347v from a Y branch to ground. There is almost no 440 volt 3 phase service used here. For low voltage 3 phase service we generally have 208v 3ph which provides 120v single phase to ground from any single leg of the Y. The 575 volt service is generally called "600 volt supply" and I expect this is what the S/390 that started this discussion should be connected to. As someone else mentioned, this is quite "hot". Its a bad idea to attempt to plug a wet Hubbell plug into a live receptacle operating with the 600v service or for that matter to fool around with any tools in the vicinity of live parts. Once a flash-over starts, you've got some real fireworks. Recently I've been recovering some equipment from a deceased scrapper's farm and have had to carry various treasures around a large obstacle with a protruding shaft. I checked the plate and found its a 6000 hp electric motor..requiring 13,200 volt supply. I guess you'd need to be careful working on this one! Dan From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sat Feb 7 10:20:34 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: SGI GDM-20D11 monitor troubleshooting Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040207112034.00810c20@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Does anyone have any experience working on these? This is the third one that I've picked up and they've all been bad. This one worked briefly but now it's doing the same as the other two; no video and both the red power light and yellow light are flashing. I talked to a friend of mine that's used these a lot and also says that they don't last long. FWIW I think this is made by Sony and is also used by SUN. Joe From allanh-cctalk at kallisti.com Sat Feb 7 10:23:10 2004 From: allanh-cctalk at kallisti.com (Allan Hessenflow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: waaa! Ebay Polymorphic 88 In-Reply-To: <200402070750.i177oHOI070469@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200402070750.i177oHOI070469@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20040207082310.B13420@kallisti.com> Ron Hudson wrote: > Do you still have the original documentation for the ROM monitor? > Any way you could scan it? > pretty please? I could scan mine, probably next week or the week after, if noone does that sooner. allan -- Allan N. Hessenflow allanh@kallisti.com From jpl15 at panix.com Sat Feb 7 10:32:44 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Aluminum Electrolytics In-Reply-To: <40249518.3080703@jcwren.com> References: <200402060258.i162wCOE058097@huey.classiccmp.org> <8A7F02B6-592E-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> <200402070634.BAA00287@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> <40249518.3080703@jcwren.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, J.C. Wren wrote: > der Mouse wrote: > > > > >What was a 1.36 kilocoulomb bank used for, anyway? Railgun? > > > >/~\ The ASCII der Mouse > > > I'd guess a medium power laser. > > --jc > We were charging magnet structures for speaker design and development. The capacitors were 'dumped' thru a coil of 3/8" x 1/4" copper bar-stock, using a small GE distribution-type oil circuit breaker to close the loop. The magnet assemblies were placed inside this coil, then the switch closed. We could get 6 to 9 Tesla in the gaps this way. The power supply I built to charge the bank suffered a partial regulator failure (I was using 4 type 6080 tubes as pass elements) and began putting out high ripple. The caps were 800VDC 850V max rated, and the ripple exceeded this and gradually degraded a couple of them until they failed - spectacularly. Damn fine thing I wasn't actually close to the bank when it detonated - there was shrapnel and cpacitor-guts-fluff all over everywhere. Sorry for the topic drift - I tried to tie this in with classiccmp, but.... Cheerz John From charlesmorris at direcway.com Sat Feb 7 10:38:45 2004 From: charlesmorris at direcway.com (Charles) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: FS: CDP-1802 User Manual Message-ID: <5s4a20t9vlkfrmttlnnc9aidjnm4le4qmm@4ax.com> I have an extra RCA #MPM-201B manual ("User Manual for the CDP1802 COSMAC Microprocessor") in very good condition, except "C.Morris" written on upper right corner of cover (belonged to my dad). If anyone's interested, make me an offer... thanks Charles From pcw at mesanet.com Sat Feb 7 11:11:46 2004 From: pcw at mesanet.com (Peter C. Wallace) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: SGI GDM-20D11 monitor troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040207112034.00810c20@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: > Does anyone have any experience working on these? This is the third one > that I've picked up and they've all been bad. This one worked briefly but > now it's doing the same as the other two; no video and both the red power > light and yellow light are flashing. I talked to a friend of mine that's > used these a lot and also says that they don't last long. FWIW I think this > is made by Sony and is also used by SUN. > > Joe > If thats the model I'm thinking of a very common failure is one of the electrolytics in the power supply. I think on the +15V maybe even C612 IICRC Thats a 2200 at 25V part... Peter Wallace From charlesmorris at direcway.com Sat Feb 7 11:40:27 2004 From: charlesmorris at direcway.com (Charles) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: FS: PC stuff, cleaning out the basement Message-ID: <268a201gecef9chu78m8j3tu8dp5ekofc0@4ax.com> I have too much PC junk sitting around the basement. No drives, keyboards, or RAM. Working when shelved. AMD K6-300 CPU, fan, motherboard, power supply, case. $10 + postage. Intel 486-66 CPU, motherboard, video card, modem card, power supply, case. $5 + postage. I just hate to throw it in the dumpster. Can separate pieces to keep shipping cost down or if you don't want the cases. thanks Charles From djg at pdp8.net Sat Feb 7 11:44:18 2004 From: djg at pdp8.net (djg@pdp8.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Box o' Parts --- ASR 33.. (David V. Corbin) Message-ID: <200402071744.i17HiI002581@user-119apiu.biz.mindspring.com> >ps: Where else can you get a multi-function device that does NO Graphics, NO >Lower Case Characters and prints a fantastic 0.1389 PPM!!!!!!! > It does graphics :-) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=teletype+art > Thanks to David Gesswein (pdp8.net) I also have a full set of prints. > Your welcome. If you haven't noticed these pictures may help in getting things back together. http://www.pdp8.net/asr33/asr33.shtml David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights Have any PDP-8 stuff you're willing to part with? From vcf at siconic.com Sat Feb 7 12:13:16 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, John Lawson wrote: > I snagged this for $20.... just for a nice trophy. Suprising no one else > bid on it... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075270294&category=1479&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 > > > Anyway - thought it would look cool unfolded and hanging on the Machine > Room wall.... Bah. Core memory as a wall hanging is SO late-1990s :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Sat Feb 7 12:14:55 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian Filter detected spam In-Reply-To: <001701c3ed0a$ecd5db40$0300a8c0@look.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Brian Mahoney wrote: > I'm not really sure how to do that, I use Dreamweaver to set up the page. > I'll check the settings to see what comes up. I know that IE6 always says > 'done but with errors' and what the heck that means, I'll never know. Let me > work on it. You can click on the error icon and it'll show you what is wrong with the JavaScript in the page, which is usually what is triggering this error. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Sat Feb 7 12:20:09 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Dec core mem on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, John Lawson wrote: > I have been active in this hobby for many years, have owned several very > rare systems and devices, and rescued and put back in service my share of > legacy computing machinery, software and docs and books. I give a lot of > volunteer time as well. I deplore folks who tear up computing history for > 'art' if there's a good chance that a system could be 'saved' otherwise. > There is a special place in Hell for one individual of my acquaintance, > who's "hobby" is collecting just the console panels from mainframes and > minis - the which Hobby he pursues with screwdriver and diagonal cutters. > He sees nothing wrong with that activity, BTW... ;{} Yep, I vouch for John here and back him up. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From technobug at comcast.net Sat Feb 7 13:49:35 2004 From: technobug at comcast.net (CRC) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: <200402071800.i17I03OE076295@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200402071800.i17I03OE076295@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: At Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:11:46 -0800 (PST), "Peter C. Wallace" replied: > > On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Joe R. wrote: > >> Does anyone have any experience working on these? This is the third >> one >> that I've picked up and they've all been bad. This one worked briefly >> but >> now it's doing the same as the other two; no video and both the red >> power >> light and yellow light are flashing. I talked to a friend of mine >> that's >> used these a lot and also says that they don't last long. FWIW I >> think this >> is made by Sony and is also used by SUN. >> >> Joe >> > > > If thats the model I'm thinking of a very common failure is one of the > electrolytics in the power supply. I think on the +15V maybe even C612 > IICRC > Thats a 2200 at 25V part... Does anyone have schematics for this beast? There seems to be a fair number showing up around my stomping grounds and all do the blinking lights bit. They are a nice tube when working and are easily converted from sync on green... Claude Ceccon From jwstephens at msm.umr.edu Sat Feb 7 13:57:49 2004 From: jwstephens at msm.umr.edu (jim) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: [was] Dec core mem on eBay Message-ID: <40254339.CBFF9F73@msm.umr.edu> I recently snagged three 8K core planes for a Cincinatti Milacron Acramatic system, one processor board and a front panel. These are actually boards that were made by CM under license from Microdata corporation and are actually Microdata 800 or 1600 parts. This is due to Ebay and luck of course, but I was glad to add another licensee of Microdata to my collection. If anyone runs across anything from: Cincinatti Millacron Harris (like the semiconductor company, but really a Mini) Basic Four Reynolds and Reynolds ADP Dealer Services (Reality only, not their LEO Boxes) (LEO boxes were PDP 11/23's which someone else is welcome to) Ultimate (not microdata, but on my radar screen, these are Honeywell Level 6's with co processors) Tellogic (phone switches for hotels, etc) Bitek (phone accounting systems) Please let me know. These will all be 1970 thru 1985 or so vintage, and "minicomputer" in size. Jim Stephens From toresbe at ifi.uio.no Sat Feb 7 12:17:53 2004 From: toresbe at ifi.uio.no (Tore S Bekkedal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 Message-ID: <014501c3eda8$f4611e80$34b69fc3@ra3> Hello! I sent an email about a month or two back to Al Kossow saying that I was starting work on the PDP-7 again. With ungodly timing I proceeded to come down with the flu, travel abroad, and move. So here I am again. ;) I have come to the conclusion after some wire-tracing and so on, that this machine is smoking crack, and that very little is where it should be (except for core memory, everything seems right there). The processor has been modified ad nauseum, of course without documentation of any kind. Therefore, I need to take out all the modules, all the wires, and start afresh (might be a good idea, anyway - - this way I can clean all the contacts properly). Thus, I need a wire-wrapping tool. Does anyone here have one? TIA -tsb From toresbe at ifi.uio.no Sat Feb 7 12:17:35 2004 From: toresbe at ifi.uio.no (Tore S Bekkedal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:14 2005 Subject: KSR-33 Codebar Reset Bail Message-ID: <014401c3eda8$f4366500$34b69fc3@ra3> Allrighty, might as well run this question into a separate email for thread neatness (wishful thinking suggests I will get lots of answers for both posts ;)) The KSR-33 TTY prints properly if I reset all the codebars for the typehead. It also sends at least 6 bits correctly to the PDP-7 (I got the IO status panel working). What do I adjust? Please, explain with the fact that I don't know TTY lingo in mind. Thanks! -tsb From vcf at siconic.com Sat Feb 7 14:38:43 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Need QDOS or 86-DOS Message-ID: I'm helping an academic out with some research on early operating ystsems and he is in need of any version (the older the better) of either QDOS or 86-DOS from Seattle Computer Products on 8" floppy. Can anyone help out with this? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sat Feb 7 15:13:44 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Box o' Parts --- ASR 33.. (David V. Corbin) In-Reply-To: <200402071744.i17HiI002581@user-119apiu.biz.mindspring.com> Message-ID: David... What would really help if there were some good "exploded" mechanicals available. For example 3 of the keys have come completely loose on the keyboard. Figuring out where they hook back in and to which parts is not (at least to me) simple! David. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of djg@pdp8.net Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 12:44 PM To: cctech@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Box o' Parts --- ASR 33.. (David V. Corbin) >ps: Where else can you get a multi-function device that does NO Graphics, NO >Lower Case Characters and prints a fantastic 0.1389 PPM!!!!!!! > It does graphics :-) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=teletype+art > Thanks to David Gesswein (pdp8.net) I also have a full set of prints. > Your welcome. If you haven't noticed these pictures may help in getting things back together. http://www.pdp8.net/asr33/asr33.shtml David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights Have any PDP-8 stuff you're willing to part with? From donm at cts.com Sat Feb 7 15:15:34 2004 From: donm at cts.com (Don Maslin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Need QDOS or 86-DOS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > I'm helping an academic out with some research on early operating ystsems > and he is in need of any version (the older the better) of either QDOS or > 86-DOS from Seattle Computer Products on 8" floppy. > > Can anyone help out with this? I can provide 86-DOS on 8" SSSD in Cromemco format if that would serve. - don > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > > > > From vax3900 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 15:40:03 2004 From: vax3900 at yahoo.com (SHAUN RIPLEY) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <014501c3eda8$f4611e80$34b69fc3@ra3> Message-ID: <20040207214003.61028.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tore S Bekkedal wrote: > Hello! > > I sent an email about a month or two back to Al > Kossow saying that I was starting work on the PDP-7 > again. With ungodly timing I proceeded to come down > with the flu, travel abroad, and move. So here I am > again. ;) > I have come to the conclusion after some > wire-tracing and so on, that this machine is smoking > crack, and that very little is where it should be > (except for core memory, everything seems right > there). The processor has been modified ad nauseum, > of course without documentation of any kind. > > Therefore, I need to take out all the modules, all > the wires, and start afresh (might be a good idea, > anyway - - this way I can clean all the contacts > properly). Thus, I need a wire-wrapping tool. Does > anyone here have one? I know a guy who has a set. He asked $100. I can send him email to contact you if you are interested. > > TIA > > -tsb > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From willisj at atlantis.clogic-int.com Sat Feb 7 15:45:58 2004 From: willisj at atlantis.clogic-int.com (John Willis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <014501c3eda8$f4611e80$34b69fc3@ra3> from Tore S Bekkedal at Feb "7, " 2004 "07:17:53" pm Message-ID: <200402072145.OAA14633@atlantis.clogic-int.com> I have a bunch of wire wrappers and the wires to go with them. -- John Willis UNIX Systems Administrator Associate Lockheed Martin IS&S CEO and Co-Founder Coherent Logic Development http://www.coherent-logic.com/ willisj@atlantis.clogic-int.com From allanh-cctalk at kallisti.com Sat Feb 7 10:19:30 2004 From: allanh-cctalk at kallisti.com (Allan Hessenflow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: waaa! Ebay Polymorphic 88 In-Reply-To: <200402070750.i177oHOI070469@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200402070750.i177oHOI070469@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20040207081930.A13420@kallisti.com> > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:43:24 -0800 > From: Ron Hudson > Subject: Re: waaa! Ebay Pollymorphic 88 Item number: 2784817061 > To: "Dwight K. Elvey" , "General Discussion: > On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > Message-ID: <5861EA42-58D4-11D8-A773-000393C5A0B6@sbcglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Dwight, > > Do you still have the original documentation for the ROM monitor? > Any way you could scan it? > pretty please? > > > I used to have a Polly 88, I was in the Navy on a destroyer, and > it was not a good environment for an s100 computer, When the ship > was at sea, it would rock back and forth a lot and my s100 would > suffer from "impact poisoning", Finally I traded my polly 88 for > an HP41C/Card Reader that was a bit more robust. > > Ron > ron.hudson@sbcglobal.net > > > On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 09:51 AM, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > > > > > Hi All > > If someone on the list gets this, I have quite a bit of software > > that I've collected for this machine. It looks like someone has > > changed the machine to be a CPM machine. It looks to have both > > the serial ( rs232/20mil ) and cassette interfaces. It seems to > > be missing the video board ( where the keyboard would connect to ). > > If someone gets this, I do have a spare video board that I might > > be talked into trading for something else, if someone wanted to > > bring it back to an original condition. I also have quite a > > bit of documentation for the Poly88. It does require a parallel > > keyboard to work with the video board ( As I recall all console > > I/O can be revectored at boot using a ROM at 400h. This could > > make the serial be the console but I don't think the debug > > monitor is revectored ). > > Although, the ROM's on the CPU starts at address 0000h, there > > is a control bit that one can shadow the ROM and allow the machine > > to exist in complete RAM. I can explain this to anyone that wants > > to do so. The software I have is all Poly88 cassette based software. > > I have an assembler, BASIC, many of the Poly demo programs and > > I also have a ROM based tiny BASIC as well. I have also written > > code to bootstrap a system from the serial port ( does require > > the system debug monitor to function ). > > Dwight > > > >> From: "Ron Hudson" > >> > >> And I am between jobs :^( > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:26:27 -0000 > From: "Witchy" > Subject: Merlin Tonto monitor update > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Evenin' UK folks, afternoon US folks :) > > I've just stripped down the Tonto monitor that was screeching and I was > amazed and not a little alarmed to discover that the HT lead to the tube had > physically come away! > > How the hells can that happen when it's just been sitting on a shelf? After > appearing in the pix on my Tonto page it went back downstairs and sat on the > floor of the storage room for a few months before I found shelf space to put > it on! > > Weird. > > -- > Adrian/Witchy > Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs > www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum > www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:14:40 +0100 (MET) > From: "Fred N. van Kempen" > Subject: *grunt* > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Sorry, just gotta let off steam. Got two new DEC RoamAbout > cards... bah! These are the UK version, so wont to the one > in my AP... > > *bah* > > --f > > > -- > Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist > Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ > Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ > Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:29:38 +0100 (MET) > From: "Fred N. van Kempen" > Subject: Re: gcc cross compiler for PDP-11 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Jochen Kunz wrote: > > > GCC 2.95 has serious problems corss compiling across the LP32 / LP64 > > boundary. I can say this out of my own experience as a NetBSD hacker. > Not relevant for the -11 backend :) > > --f > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:33:59 +0000 > From: meltie > Subject: Re: *grunt* > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > , "Fred N. van Kempen" > Message-ID: <200402062034.00301.lists@microvax.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Friday 06 February 2004 20:14, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > Sorry, just gotta let off steam. Got two new DEC RoamAbout > > cards... bah! These are the UK version, so wont to the one > > in my AP... > > Won't they at least sync up to each other? What's so different about UK vs. > US versions? > > Want to dump them on someone in the UK? ;) > alex/melt > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:39:37 +0100 (MET) > From: "Fred N. van Kempen" > Subject: Re: *grunt* > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, meltie wrote: > > > On Friday 06 February 2004 20:14, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > > Sorry, just gotta let off steam. Got two new DEC RoamAbout > > > cards... bah! These are the UK version, so wont to the one > > > in my AP... > > > > Won't they at least sync up to each other? What's so different about UK vs. > > US versions? > Basically, the 2.4G cards using FH did not yet use the more or > less standardized channels, since they werent there yet. Instead, > different sets of usable channels were defined for each of the > various (mostly non-US) countries, making them largely incomatible > because of that :( > > What we *really* need is a firmware blaster, to re-blast a single > image into all of these critters- obviously, their hardware is > exactly the same, its just the software settings... > > > Want to dump them on someone in the UK? ;) > I might, eventually.. > > --f > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:25:46 -0500 > From: "Jerome H. Fine" > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian > Filter detected spam > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Message-ID: <4024065A.AC936305@compsys.to> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >Brian Mahoney wrote: > > > (I hope this attaches to my first post. My first attempt came up as a > > separate post. ) > > The standalone list is at this site : > > http://www.geocities.com/computercollectors/index.htm > > The same list is also available on a link from my personl page and is here : > > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9107/collectors.htm > > From: "Brian Mahoney" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:18 AM > > Subject: Computer Collectors List - update > > For several years I have maintained a list of computer collectors on my home > > page and for the last year I have had a specific site at another url. The > > list has over 40 names on it. Besides listing the collectors and their > > contact information (well, most of them anyway) there is an email address > > for the list itself and I send out emails to list whenever I get a query > > about donations or sales. > > > > Ok, so far so good. The problem is that I don't have email addresses for > > everyone on the list. Also, there may be members of this group who would > > like to be on the list. Therefore : > > > > 1. Anyone who wants to be on the list, please send me an email at : > > antiquecomputers@hotmail.com > > Make sure you have a good email addy in your response. Thanks! > > > > 2. Anyone on the list who has not provided me with an email by March 1st > > will be deleted from the list until an emaill address is provided. > > > > Please don't respond to this post, unless it is to comment on the lists, > > respond to : antiquecomputers@hotmail.com > > > > Lastly, I assume that nearly everyone here has some sort of site on the web. > > Mine has been up since 1995, relocated in 1997, and has spawned hundreds of > > emails from all over the world. The list of collectors provides me with a > > place to turn when I get leads about computers in Europe and the States. > > Since I don't buy computers any more, only taking donations, any offers of > > computers for sale or from locations outside of metro Toronto that are sent > > to my home page email adress, are sent to the members of the list. ALL > > requests to the antiquecomputers@hotmail.com email address are re-sent to > > members of the list. Hope this makes sense ! > > Jerome Fine replies: > > Your links can't be used by the version of Netscape that > I am using - V4.78. Do you think it might be possible to > make it backward compatible? > > Sincerely yours, > > Jerome Fine > -- > If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail > address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk > e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be > obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the > 'at' with the four digits of the current year. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:41:02 -0000 > From: "Antonio Carlini" > Subject: RE: *grunt* > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > > Message-ID: <004a01c3ecf9$ec85cf30$5b01a8c0@athlon> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > What we *really* need is a firmware blaster, to re-blast a > > single image into all of these critters- obviously, their > > hardware is exactly the same, its just the software settings... > > The new (802.11b) firmware was available from Cabletron > and/or DNPG. But the firmware you seem to have (the > pre-802.11b stuff, ie the original stuff) is harder > to get hold of (ctron/dnpg stopped making it available > on the web years ago). So you want to find some > way of preserving it before you go overwriting it. > (Always assuming there *is* some way of getting > it off again). > > Antonio > > > -- > > --------------- > Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:10:10 +0100 (MET) > From: "Fred N. van Kempen" > Subject: RE: *grunt* > To: arcarlini@iee.org, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic > Posts" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Antonio Carlini wrote: > > > The new (802.11b) firmware was available from Cabletron > > and/or DNPG. > Yes. > > > But the firmware you seem to have (the > > pre-802.11b stuff, ie the original stuff) is harder > > to get hold of (ctron/dnpg stopped making it available > > on the web years ago). > Yes, that was apparent. The real question is.. how/where do > we find it. > > > So you want to find some > > way of preserving it before you go overwriting it. > > (Always assuming there *is* some way of getting > > it off again). > The tools they used to localize the generic cards by blasting > a set of {firmware+settings} would be needed. I assume this > was done by DEC, not Ctron, so I'll just have to find someone > who knows about it and bother to no end... > > --f > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:51:33 -0500 > From: "BowlARoll" > Subject: 3M/Imation DC2000 tapes > To: > Message-ID: <000801c3ecf3$01813980$86d8d518@BOWLAROLL> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello: > > Are these tapes available and at what cost? You can reach me at 585-427-7250. Thanks. > > 20 Imation DC2000 40meg > > BillFrom cctalk-admin Fri Feb 6 13:03:59 2004 > Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (h019.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.83]) > by huey.classiccmp.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with SMTP id i16J3wOD065850 > for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:03:58 -0600 (CST) > (envelope-from keith@saracom.com) > Received: (cpmta 638 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 10:51:48 -0800 > Received: from 209.228.32.74 (HELO mail.saracom.com.criticalpath.net) > by smtp.saracom.com (209.228.32.83) with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 10:51:48 -0800 > X-Sent: 6 Feb 2004 18:51:48 GMT > Received: from [207.140.180.2] by mail.saracom.com with HTTP; > Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:51:47 -0800 (PST) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > From: order@saracom.com > X-Sent-From: keith@saracom.com > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:51:47 -0800 (PST) > X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.6.0-2_sol28 > Message-Id: <20040206105148.1551.h010.c000.wm@mail.saracom.com.criticalpath.net> > X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:00:28 -0600 > Subject: Re: 600 Volt Outlet - was "General Discussion: On-Topic and > Off-Topic Posts" > X-BeenThere: cctalk@classiccmp.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 > Precedence: list > Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > List-Id: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , > > > > Message: 21 > > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:16:24 -0700 > > From: "ed sharpe" > > Subject: Re: Greedy E-bay idiots! > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > > > Message-ID: > > <002601c3ec89$82ca0c20$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > now what the hell is a 600 volt outlet? > > > > 110 220 440 maybe but 600 volt? hmm..... > > > > > > I use it all the time but in a non-standard > application. I do AC power fault simulation on > Telco equipment. Since the tranformers are standard > off the shelf units, I thought I would ask an engineer > friend. > > Industrial induction motors use 1000 volt feed from a > delt transformer. It comes out 1000 line to line or > 577 line to ground. 577 is effectively 600. Most > of your wiring and other devices are rated at 600vac. > > Max > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:19:18 +0100 (MET) > From: "Fred N. van Kempen" > Subject: *blush (RE: *grunt*) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Hrrm. > > You know... sometimes it *really* helps to ask a woman whether > you still look OK or not..... > > I basically realized, that *although* the RoamAbout card *did* > see the access point, it did not get any traffic through. That > is, hmm, odd. > > ... until it daunted upon me. "AHEM. Is the segment on which > the AP resides, actually connected to the backbone????" > > So.. I ran upstairs, and sure enough... the BNC connector from > that segment was unplugged from the DEMPR. Waaaaah! > > Why? Well, I had a weird problem here when I was in the U.S., > and I had my jump-in sys admin disconnect all networks that were > not needed for core operations.... :( > > So there. It works now. At least the UK and DE/NL versions of > the RoamAbout cards *do* talk together. They both hate the U.S. > card, though.... > > Cheers, > Fred > -- > Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist > Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ > Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ > Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:39:18 -0500 (EST) > From: John Lawson > Subject: Dec core mem on eBay > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > > I snagged this for $20.... just for a nice trophy. Suprising no one else > bid on it... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075270294&category=1479&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 > > > Anyway - thought it would look cool unfolded and hanging on the Machine > Room wall.... > > > > Cheers > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:42:16 -0500 > From: "Brian Mahoney" > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian > Filter detected spam > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: <001701c3ed0a$ecd5db40$0300a8c0@look.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerome H. Fine" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian > Filter detected spam > > > > >Brian Mahoney wrote: > I'm not really sure how to do that, I use Dreamweaver to set up the page. > I'll check the settings to see what comes up. I know that IE6 always says > 'done but with errors' and what the heck that means, I'll never know. Let me > work on it. > B.M. > > > Jerome Fine replies: > > > > Your links can't be used by the version of Netscape that > > I am using - V4.78. Do you think it might be possible to > > make it backward compatible? > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Jerome Fine > > -- > > If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail > > address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk > > e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be > > obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the > > 'at' with the four digits of the current year. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:24:22 -0500 > From: "David V. Corbin" > Subject: RE: Dec core mem on eBay > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > John, hopefully you are joking about using this card as "art". There are > many of us who could and would put it do good use in an active machine. > > David. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Lawson > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:39 PM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Dec core mem on eBay > > > > > I snagged this for $20.... just for a nice trophy. Suprising no one else > bid on it... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3075270294&category=1479& > sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 > > > Anyway - thought it would look cool unfolded and hanging on the Machine > Room wall.... > > > > Cheers > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:42:08 -0600 > From: "Jay West" > Subject: Re: HP2000/Access - (benchmarks) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: <003301c3ed1b$99953be0$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Mike wrote.... > > Here's a quick chain test for doing 255 (+-) chains with timing for my > > SIMH configuration as described (about 23 sec.) I would hope that real > hardware > > would out perform it. If not I'll have to think about what could be wrong > with > > the simulator and come up with another test. Let me know what you get, > Jay, next > > time you have her up. > > Chain test results on dual 2100(32Kw) 7906 drive > > 28 2 > 28 45 > > this should mean about 43 seconds > > Notes: > 1) This test really doesn't test much other than the disk drive data > transfer rate, cpu excercising is negligable. > 2) An emulator should vastly outperform a real disk drive, especially > assuming "short cuts" are taken and internally the software isn't going > through the same steps the real hardware is. > > Jay West > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:47:00 -0600 > From: "Jay West" > Subject: stuff noticed at surplus in st. louis > To: > Message-ID: <003901c3ed1c$4856a150$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A couple of PowerMac 5260/100 machines, condition unknown (forgive me if > this is too recent for the list, I know nothing about them as to age). > > They recently got in a HUGE shipment of old tubes.. all different sizes... > some pretty odd looking ones too. Anyone want me to look for a particular > one? > > Jay West > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:03:51 -0500 (EST) > From: John Lawson > Subject: RE: Dec core mem on eBay > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote: > > > John, hopefully you are joking about using this card as "art". There are > > many of us who could and would put it do good use in an active machine. > > Yo Dave: Keep yer shirt on. > > If you look at the pix on the ebay page, you will notice that this is only > half the system, and I contacted the seller (who I know) - it's all they > have. Its just the core planes and the switching logic. Its a 32KW > stack, BTW... > > I have been active in this hobby for many years, have owned several very > rare systems and devices, and rescued and put back in service my share of > legacy computing machinery, software and docs and books. I give a lot of > volunteer time as well. I deplore folks who tear up computing history for > 'art' if there's a good chance that a system could be 'saved' otherwise. > There is a special place in Hell for one individual of my acquaintance, > who's "hobby" is collecting just the console panels from mainframes and > minis - the which Hobby he pursues with screwdriver and diagonal cutters. > He sees nothing wrong with that activity, BTW... ;{} > > In this case - I'm not *destroying* the board, and anyway it's condition > is unknown - could already be electrical trash - I won't know until I get > it. But nonetheless, I intend to frame it, open, and hang it on the wall > in my machine room, Dave. I think it's beautiful, and I think it's enough > of a piece of computing history that various people might like to have a > look at real core memory. Our IT guy at work has been doing computers for > a living for quite a while, and he had no real idea what the word 'core' > actually meant.... > > Now, if it came to my attention that there was a specific, rare or > one-of-a-kind machine that could be restored to full operation but for the > board that I have - you can bet it would be in FedEx the next day to that > site, and I'd find another. > > Anyway, DEC core stacks are not all that rare - two of the machines from > my last big collection had core memory. I want this one to be a display > piece in my personal collection... and so it shall be. > > > Cheerz > > John > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:39:51 -0500 > From: "David V. Corbin" > Subject: RE: Dec core mem on eBay > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > John, > > Glad to hear it, sorry if I jumped on you, but it had been a rough day, and > I recently lost a good shot at an acquisition to a person known for "kut and > scrap". > > My apologies. > > David. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Lawson > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:04 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Dec core mem on eBay > > > > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote: > > > John, hopefully you are joking about using this card as "art". There are > > many of us who could and would put it do good use in an active machine. > > Yo Dave: Keep yer shirt on. > > If you look at the pix on the ebay page, you will notice that this is only > half the system, and I contacted the seller (who I know) - it's all they > have. Its just the core planes and the switching logic. Its a 32KW > stack, BTW... > > I have been active in this hobby for many years, have owned several very > rare systems and devices, and rescued and put back in service my share of > legacy computing machinery, software and docs and books. I give a lot of > volunteer time as well. I deplore folks who tear up computing history for > 'art' if there's a good chance that a system could be 'saved' otherwise. > There is a special place in Hell for one individual of my acquaintance, > who's "hobby" is collecting just the console panels from mainframes and > minis - the which Hobby he pursues with screwdriver and diagonal cutters. > He sees nothing wrong with that activity, BTW... ;{} > > In this case - I'm not *destroying* the board, and anyway it's condition > is unknown - could already be electrical trash - I won't know until I get > it. But nonetheless, I intend to frame it, open, and hang it on the wall > in my machine room, Dave. I think it's beautiful, and I think it's enough > of a piece of computing history that various people might like to have a > look at real core memory. Our IT guy at work has been doing computers for > a living for quite a while, and he had no real idea what the word 'core' > actually meant.... > > Now, if it came to my attention that there was a specific, rare or > one-of-a-kind machine that could be restored to full operation but for the > board that I have - you can bet it would be in FedEx the next day to that > site, and I'd find another. > > Anyway, DEC core stacks are not all that rare - two of the machines from > my last big collection had core memory. I want this one to be a display > piece in my personal collection... and so it shall be. > > > Cheerz > > John > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:51:18 -0800 (PST) > From: "O. Sharp" > Subject: RE: Dec core mem on eBay > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > Quoth John Lawson: > > > If you look at the pix on the ebay page, you will notice that this is only > > half the system, and I contacted the seller (who I know) - it's all they > > have. Its just the core planes and the switching logic. Its a 32KW > > stack, BTW... > > 32Kw x 18, and with ICs around the core planes... was this for a PDP-15, > or perhaps a PDP-9? > > > [...] nonetheless, I intend to frame it, open, and hang it on the wall > > in my machine room, Dave. I think it's beautiful, and I think it's enough > > of a piece of computing history that various people might like to have a > > look at real core memory. Our IT guy at work has been doing computers for > > a living for quite a while, and he had no real idea what the word 'core' > > actually meant.... > > Core memories are indeed beautiful. That is, until you have to find and > repair a bad connection on one... ...well, okay, they're _still_ > beautiful, but in an infinitely more frustrating sort of way. :) > > I think it's amusing that there are computer people who have never seen or > worked with core memory. O'course, I also have coworkers who have never > owned a 33-1/3 record, and more recently coworkers who think the idea of a > telephone with a cord attached is antiquated. Damn. I _am_ getting old, > aren't I? :) > > -O.- > > ...but then, I've never used a punch-card or a drum memory, so maybe I > _am_ young. :) :) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:54:53 -0500 (EST) > From: John Lawson > Subject: RE: Dec core mem on eBay > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote: > > > John, > > > > Glad to hear it, sorry if I jumped on you, but it had been a rough day, and > > I recently lost a good shot at an acquisition to a person known for "kut and > > scrap". > > > Well I know. There's an original ad for the Bendix G-15 (I had one > once...) on eBay that I stopped bidding on after it got above $20... but > the high bidder's 'me' page says he's a preservationist, so we'll see. > > And I've missed many things over the years... "Oh, we thought that was > junk." > > For example - I work in the same building as a manufacturing company > with dozens of metal-working machines. I'm good friends with the foreman, > who has been an NC and CNC master machinist for many years. I was telling > him about my collection - and he said, "Hey - you don't want an old > Flexowriter or two...? they're up on the shelf in my old shop in Palo > Alto." > > Well you can imagine my response. BUT: > > Long story short... they were tossed in the dumpster in September of > last year to make room for an upgraded phone system.... > > > YYYAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! ;{ GRRRRR... > > > So it's part and parcel of our Hobby... just because *I* see a rack of > PDP11 stuff in a certain light doesn't necessarily map onto the > conciousness of the poor schmoe who has to get it out of the warehouse and > onto the loading dock and into the roll-off before the scrap company shows > up to haul all that old shit away... > > > And thanks for your well-meant concern! Without us, there'd be no > LGP-20s, Bendix G-15s, Apple Is.... left in the world. > > > Cheers > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:59:49 -0600 > From: "Jay West" > Subject: Atari available > To: > Message-ID: <004001c3ed26$7342e590$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Local surplus dealer has an Atari 800XL available, he held it for me cause > he knows I collect computers. However, I have no interest in it. He just > wants someone to make him an offer. No monitor or power supply, condition > unknown. He probably doesn't want much for it. Email me if you want his > contact info. > > Jay West > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:04:36 -0500 > From: "David V. Corbin" > Subject: RE: Dec core mem on eBay > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > -0.- > > Speaking of vinyl...Do you have any 78s or even better 16s? (I have about > 40 from 1955 and earlier!) > > If you never dropped a box on unmarked, non-sequenced cards, you havent > lived!!! > > =============================== > > John. > > I know a person (local here on LI) who has 3x ASR-33, 1x ASR-43, 1x > Freiden Flexowriter (exact model unknown at this point). > > All believed to be in working order. > > The problem is that will only dig them out of storage for someone who will > take the entire lot. I have no interest in the Flexowriter (but would never > want to see one destroyed), and can really only use one of the ASR-33's. If > you would be interested in helping to split up the lot (he wants a fairly > high price, but if the quality is good....), please contact me off list. > > ========================== > > David... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:09:53 -0500 > From: Curt Vendel > Subject: Re: Atari available > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Message-ID: <40245701.9080408@atarimuseum.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Thanks Jay, I have plenty of them, I'm going to pass. > > > Curt > > > > Jay West wrote: > > >Local surplus dealer has an Atari 800XL available, he held it for me cause > >he knows I collect computers. However, I have no interest in it. He just > >wants someone to make him an offer. No monitor or power supply, condition > >unknown. He probably doesn't want much for it. Email me if you want his > >contact info. > > > >Jay West > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Curt Vendel & Karl Morris > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Atari Museum > http://www.atarimuseum.com > > The Atari Explorer > http://www.atari-explorer.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:10:44 -0600 > From: "Jay West" > Subject: more on ibm paradise card > To: > Message-ID: <006201c3ed27$f9cf5d90$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Ok, took a closer look at the paradise card in my IBM 5150. > > It's actually two full length boards, stacked together with standoffs. The > "main" board has on the back bracket (from top to bottom), a two position > slide switch, a DE9, an RCA jack, and another DE9. Has a sticker saying > "DM104338", I'm guessing a serial number maybe. Etched on the board is "Assy > 15100". > > On the second board in the stack, it says "Paradise Systems, Inc." and > "Multidisplay card". Silkscreened on the board is "Assy 15200", and "CADAC > M01". Also has a sticker, "DM504338", and here's the kicker... hanging off > this full length "daughter card" is a ribbon cable that goes to a 2nd > bracket with a DB25F connector, I would guess parallel port. > > >From googling on the net, best I can decipher (VERY little info on it), it > may be a combo MDA/CGA card. > > Can anyone fill in any more info? > > Jay West > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:12:43 -0600 > From: "Jay West" > Subject: Re: Dec core mem on eBay > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: <006a01c3ed28$4103d1f0$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > If you never dropped a box on unmarked, non-sequenced cards, you havent > > lived!!! > If they are unmarked, there is no problem ;) > > I'm a young 39, and I HAVE programmed on punched cards, both on an IBM 24 I > think it was, submitting programs to VM/CMS/HASP, and also on an HP2000C & > HP2000/Access :) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:08:36 -0500 > From: "David V. Corbin" > Subject: RE: Dec core mem on eBay > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > >>> If you never dropped a box on unmarked, non-sequenced cards, you havent > >>> lived!!! > > >>If they are unmarked, there is no problem ;) > > I was not referring to un-punched cards, but rather to cards that contained > ordered data (such as program source without line numbers) which had not > been marked with a pen/pencil/crayon diagonally across the top of the deck. > > Without the mark, sorting out the cards was virtually impossible. At least > with a diagonal mark each card would have a short line on the top edge. > Cards from the front of the deck would have the line on the left, cards from > the back on the right. This gave a quick method of getting the cards back > into order. A card that was out of sequence would show rather quickly when > the deck was re-assembled. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 29 > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 06:00:50 +0100 > From: "Nico de Jong" > Subject: Re: 3M/Imation DC2000 tapes > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: <002101c3ed37$5bab19f0$2201a8c0@finans> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Are these tapes available and at what cost? You can reach me at > 585-427-7250. Thanks. > >20 Imation DC2000 40meg > >Bill > > I have at least 10 DC2120 tapes from Mitsubishi available, all new AFAIR > > We can discuss the price. Dont forget the Postage > > Nico > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 30 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:29:03 -0700 > From: CRC > Subject: Aluminum Electrolytics (was: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? fixed!) > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <8A7F02B6-592E-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:47:34 -0800 (PST), Vintage Computer Festival > wrote: > > > One second? I've always been told to do this over the course of at > > least > > a couple hours in 5V increments. > > > > If I can be doing this in a much quicker time then I'd really like to > > know > > about it. > > > [...] > And on Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:04:52 -0500 (EST), ohn Lawson > also wrote: > > > > Then duck! IMHO opinion, and over 40+ years experience, to reform > > funky caps takes anywhere from a few minutes to over an hour, > > depending on > > many variables. If you think you've formed an electrolytic in one > > second, > > it was either tiny or good-to-begin-with. > > > > But the thing most folks forget is to somehow monitor the *current* > > being drawn during the Process of Reformation. > > > > Here endeth the Lesson. > > > > > > > >> > >> One second? I've always been told to do this over the course of at > >> least > >> a couple hours in 5V increments. > >> > > > > > > Again - it depends on the voltage/capacity of the filters involved, > > and > > just how "bad" gthey are. One simply cannot place an arbitrary > > voltage/time delta on all power supplies. > > > > The Ammeter (or it's analog) is here your friend. > > > Also at Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:12:53 -0800, "vrs" commented: > >>>> > > >>>> To safely re-energize a piece of equipment that is long in the tooth > >>>> and has been sitting around for some time, you have to bring the > >>>> voltage up relatively slowly to allow the electrolytic caps to > >>>> re-polarize. Everyone who is collecting should own a good-sized > > Variac. > >>>> You power the box up by bringing the voltage from naught to the > >>>> operational level with the Variac over a period of about a second or > >> > >> Then duck! IMHO opinion, and over 40+ years experience, to reform > >> funky caps takes anywhere from a few minutes to over an hour, > >> depending on > >> many variables. If you think you've formed an electrolytic in one > >> second, > >> it was either tiny or good-to-begin-with. > > > > When I read this, I took it to mean the Variac was a preferred method > > for > > turning on equipment *after* the caps had been reformed, as a matter of > > routine. (Otherwise it made no sense to me, based on what I know of > > reformation.) That may not be a good idea, but I couldn't dismiss it > > out of > > hand. > > > > I reference , and > excellent overview of aluminum capacitors... > > The controlling parameter in reforming a capacitor is the amount of > heat generated. Generate too much and you blow things up. We have to > consider two cases: the capacitor is in circuit, or out of circuit. > > In the latter case, the recommended method of reforming is by applying > the forming voltage through a limiting resistor and then letting the > capacitor form at voltage over a period of time with the limiting > resistor in circuit. As commented above, the current should be > monitored, but the critical term is the final leakage current. If it is > out of spec, there is nothing you can do... A capacitor manufacturer > used to be in town and they had to monitor old stock for mil spec > reasons. Their criteria for reforming old stock was a case temp rise of > no more than 5 degrees C and the leakage current had to be in spec in > less than 10 minutes. > > An old electrolytic that takes a long time to reform has probably lost > electrolyte and should be considered suspect (its ESR is probably > miserable and capacitance below spec). > > The case of in-circuit caps: With a lot of equipment, if you put it in > a brown-out condition, you can fry the silicon. Older switchers are > notorious for burning up when operated below their minimum voltage for > any length of time. In any case, when lighting equipment, the primary > concern is the front end caps. If the leakage current is substantial, > you will blow the fuse or take out the rectifier (valves don't have > this problem). By using a Variac to bring up the voltage over several > seconds, you mitigate the surge and allow initial reforming to take > place. If things go, you might as well replace the caps. > > Depending on the power supply, caps down stream will either see the > operating voltage and have to "live" or, in the case where the power > supply current limits, will pull down the power supply until formed, > if . In the case of switchers, they have a tendency to *turn on* if > substantially over-rated (hey, remember we have been taught that it's > only current that counts ;<)). > > So all is not cut and dried. You have to know what you are working > with... Hey, and I match your 40+ and raise you a few... > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 31 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:30:19 -0700 > From: "ed sharpe" > Subject: Re: 600 Volt Outlet - was "General Discussion: On-Topic > andOff-Topic Posts" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: <002301c3ed3b$799977a0$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Yes I know the wiring is rated at 600 but I have not seen any semi modern > gear that required it.... > > ed! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: 600 Volt Outlet - was "General Discussion: On-Topic > andOff-Topic Posts" > > > > > Message: 21 > > > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:16:24 -0700 > > > From: "ed sharpe" > > > Subject: Re: Greedy E-bay idiots! > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > > > > > Message-ID: > > > <002601c3ec89$82ca0c20$25696e44@SONYDIGITALED> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > now what the hell is a 600 volt outlet? > > > > > > 110 220 440 maybe but 600 volt? hmm..... > > > > > > > > > > I use it all the time but in a non-standard > > application. I do AC power fault simulation on > > Telco equipment. Since the tranformers are standard > > off the shelf units, I thought I would ask an engineer > > friend. > > > > Industrial induction motors use 1000 volt feed from a > > delt transformer. It comes out 1000 line to line or > > 577 line to ground. 577 is effectively 600. Most > > of your wiring and other devices are rated at 600vac. > > > > Max > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 32 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:45:30 -0800 > From: Al Kossow > Subject: Re: Dec core mem on eBay > To: classiccmp@classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <200402070545.i175jUMe011877@spies.com> > > > > 32Kw x 18, and with ICs around the core planes... was this for a PDP-15, > or perhaps a PDP-9? > > -- > > byte parity > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 33 > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:56:50 -0500 (EST) > From: John Lawson > Subject: Re: Aluminum Electrolytics (was: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? > fixed!) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, CRC wrote: > > > > > So all is not cut and dried. You have to know what you are working > > with... Hey, and I match your 40+ and raise you a few... > > > > > > [finds reading glasses, Geritol, don't need teeth... lessee here] > > > > Waaaallll.... no duh! BUT: I was preaching to the congregation, not the > choir. > > You and I probably can deliver chapter and verse on the care and feeding > of fundamental components, their history and evolution, physics, > chemistry, mechanics and electronics of them... no doubt. > > But a lot of folks on the list (most of the folks on the List) are not EEs > or MSEs or PhDEs... and we have a very mixed approach to actual > 'electronics' - from those who have long careers behind them in design and > implementation of electronic circuits and devices - to those to whom > electricity is a mystery, an unknown field. > > So when it is stated in simple language that one can form/reform > questionable electrolytics in 'one second' with a Variac (or whatever) - > this is exposing people to danger and property to damage, IMHO. > > That's the point I was trying to make - that there is no 'general case' > when bringing up gear with long inop times - and that one cannot prescribe > a fixed time span to reform the caps in a (linear) power supply by the > Variac method, unless one is aware of the various other points you bring > up. > > > And of course you're spot-on in reference to SMPSUs - 'brown' input > voltages will often kill 'em dead. > > And speaking of War Stories: Ever been in the same room with an > exploding 1.7F 800VDC storage bank? > > It's LOUD...... > > > ;} > > > > Cheers > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 34 > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:15:30 -0800 (PST) > From: SHAUN RIPLEY > Subject: Re: stuff noticed at surplus in st. louis > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: <20040207061530.91584.qmail@web60704.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Why not grab them all and put them on Ebay. There are > other groups of people who collect old tubes. I > personally have a tube radio... It is junk in their > eyes though (it is an AA5). I know that people are > looking for 300B tubes, and some other big tubes. Do > them a favor, save those tubes. > > vax3900 > > --- Jay West wrote: > > A couple of PowerMac 5260/100 machines, condition > > unknown (forgive me if > > this is too recent for the list, I know nothing > > about them as to age). > > > > They recently got in a HUGE shipment of old tubes.. > > all different sizes... > > some pretty odd looking ones too. Anyone want me to > > look for a particular > > one? > > > > Jay West > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 35 > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 01:15:20 -0500 (EST) > From: der Mouse > Subject: Re: Aluminum Electrolytics (was: M7891-DC 2a fuse on +12? > fixed!) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Message-ID: <200402070634.BAA00287@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > And speaking of War Stories: Ever been in the same room with an > > exploding 1.7F 800VDC storage bank? > > > It's LOUD...... > > Hardly surprising, given how much energy is lurking therein. If my > arithmetic is right, that's about .3kWh. Release it all at once - or > even any significant fraction thereof - and yes, it's gonna go bang! > > What was a 1.36 kilocoulomb bank used for, anyway? Railgun? > > /~\ The ASCII der Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 36 > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:34:48 -0500 > From: "J.C. Wren" > Subject: Re: Aluminum Electrolytics > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Message-ID: <40249518.3080703@jcwren.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > der Mouse wrote: > > >>And speaking of War Stories: Ever been in the same room with an > >>exploding 1.7F 800VDC storage bank? > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>It's LOUD...... > >> > >> > > > >Hardly surprising, given how much energy is lurking therein. If my > >arithmetic is right, that's about .3kWh. Release it all at once - or > >even any significant fraction thereof - and yes, it's gonna go bang! > > > >What was a 1.36 kilocoulomb bank used for, anyway? Railgun? > > > >/~\ The ASCII der Mouse > >\ / Ribbon Campaign > > X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca > >/ \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > > > I'd guess a medium power laser. > > --jc > > End of cctalk Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15 > ************************************* -- Allan N. Hessenflow allanh@kallisti.com From fergdc at uleth.ca Sat Feb 7 01:58:54 2004 From: fergdc at uleth.ca (Green Dragon) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: ARexx Manual Message-ID: Greetings Curt Nelson Do you have William Hawes book on ARexx? ARexx User's Reference Manual or equivalent in some Commodore manual. What about Amiga TEX and Metafont? If so, how can I get them? Cheers, Don (Green Dragon) From joel.fox at sympatico.ca Sat Feb 7 11:09:27 2004 From: joel.fox at sympatico.ca (Joel D. Fox) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Pacific 4 memory installation guides Message-ID: <000f01c3ed9d$25cc4be0$4008e440@foxj> Hi Bob. This is a shot in the dark:: Google came up with your message offering copies of the Pacific 4 Memory installation guide. (cf. http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-April/013105.html) Is there a chance you might still have them around? Thanks for any help you can offer. Joel Fox Kingston, ON From Martin.Kukac at seznam.cz Sat Feb 7 06:34:53 2004 From: Martin.Kukac at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Martin=20Kukac?=) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Old Nixdorf printer Message-ID: <42774.136835-18227-2035237632-1076157293@seznam.cz> Hi everybody. Today I got "classic" printer made by Nixdorf company. It's old matrix printer, made before 1990 (because of Made in W. Germany sign and since 1990 there is no W. Germany). It seems to be serial printer (it has about 20m long cable, i think no paralel interface can operate such long distances), but it has non-standard DIN 6-pin connector (only 5pins present) market as SAS IN on the printer. I have no idea about type of the printer (there is only NIXDORF COMPUTERS label and then Nixdorf STAD ND45 on small label at the bottom). I'd like to connect it to standard PC. Does anyone have pin-out of this connector or does anyone know something about this printer ? thanks, Martin Kukac, Czech Republic ____________________________________________________________ ADSL za korunu od Contactelu - nejp??jemn?j?? ADSL na trhu doru??me rychle a? k V?m! http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=70017%26url=http://www.contactel.cz/adsl From doc at mdrconsult.com Sat Feb 7 16:31:05 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: waaa! Ebay Polymorphic 88 In-Reply-To: <20040207081930.A13420@kallisti.com> References: <200402070750.i177oHOI070469@huey.classiccmp.org> <20040207081930.A13420@kallisti.com> Message-ID: <51694C52-59BD-11D8-AF3E-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 7, 2004, at 10:19 AM, Allan Hessenflow wrote: I was horribly tempted to quote your entire message and ask you to trim your quotes at the end. Instead I'll just suggest that you repost in a manner which might get read by more than zero list members. Thank you. Doc From jpero at sympatico.ca Sat Feb 7 11:38:59 2004 From: jpero at sympatico.ca (jpero@sympatico.ca) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: waaa! Ebay Polymorphic 88 In-Reply-To: <20040207081930.A13420@kallisti.com> References: <200402070750.i177oHOI070469@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20040207223713.KLTG1799.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@duron> Whoa! Somebody didn't trim that message that was LONG about untrimmed 10 messages worth in one email, heed that. Many of listers don't have resources or on timed connections (billed by minutes). Please have a care and trim the excess. Thanks & cheers, Wizard From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Sat Feb 7 16:41:47 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Cool Finds! 160 PPM scanner Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040207174147.00811100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> I found this last week. It failed self-test but I took it apart today and found a jammed stepper motor and fixed it. Wahoo! Joe From jwest at classiccmp.org Sat Feb 7 17:15:55 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: list "Archival Options" References: <200402020208.i1228NV0018617@spies.com> Message-ID: <002901c3edd0$56d9a330$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Al; Been through all the admin screens, and I can't find the option you are referring to. Any thoughts? Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: list "Archival Options" > > Jay, would you please change > "Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been sent, or to the time we resend it?" > to "When resent" on the "Archival Options" admin page. > > This will put the archive in temporal order when viewed "by date" > > > From cfandt at netsync.net Sat Feb 7 17:17:38 2004 From: cfandt at netsync.net (Christian Fandt) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: WTB: Motorola MVMEbus module manuals Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040207181350.02d66ec0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Here's once again my once-in-a-great while request for some manuals for which I've been hunting. I'm in search of several manuals for some Motorola MVME boards I have. Please reply if you have any available for me to purchase. MVME 236-1,2,3 (Publication number MVME 236-1 Dx ) MVME 133-1 ( " " MVME 133-1 Dx ) Support Docs: SIMVME133-1 MVME 134 ( " " MVME 134 Dx ) Support Docs: SIMVME134 and finally the Support Documentation (schematics, etc.) for an MVME147S which is publication number SIMVME147S. Thanks, Chris NNNN Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt@netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/ From ohh at drizzle.com Sat Feb 7 17:29:46 2004 From: ohh at drizzle.com (O. Sharp) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Box o' Parts --- ASR 33.. (David V. Corbin) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David V. Corbin wrote thus: > What would really help if there were some good "exploded" mechanicals > available. For example 3 of the keys have come completely loose on the > keyboard. Figuring out where they hook back in and to which parts is not (at > least to me) simple! Teletype put out some very good maintenance manuals for the ASR-33, which had (among other things) very extensive exploded views. _Very_ extensive. Probably more extensive than you want. :) I haven't found a set online, unfortunately, but if you keep an eye on ePay they seem to turn up every couple of weeks (sometimes the actual manuals, more often a copy which is scanned and then burned to CD). -O.- From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 7 17:47:52 2004 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (Jules Richardson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Perq 2T1 display fault Message-ID: <1076196906.7064.303.camel@weka.localdomain> Got a Perq 2T1 with the KME 1514 portrait monitor - the display on the front of the unit gets as far as 999 on power-up so it's looking reasonably healthy. Only problem is an unstable display; it seems to be missing out every 4th or so scanline, plus there's some horizontal instability (I can see what appear to be characters on the display, but they aren't readable at all) Anything prone to giving up in these monitors? From looking on the web it appears they have a few custom parts in them :( (of course it's *possible* the fault is in the system, not the monitor I suppose) Oh, and if anyone's dishing out Perq wisdom there's also a Perq 1 with a display fault too - on that one the image is centered on the screen, but squashed into about 80% of the normal width, and maybe 10% of normal height. It's also very non-rectangular in nature. cheers Jules From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sat Feb 7 17:49:19 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <200402072145.OAA14633@atlantis.clogic-int.com> Message-ID: John, Are you referring to: 1) manual (non-powered wire-wrap tools) 2) electric wire-wriap guns 3) CNC semi automated wire-wrap systems 4) retired job shoppers proficient in wire wrapping (especially high density). If item 3 or 4, pleas let me know...(I already have #1 and #2) -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Willis Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:46 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 I have a bunch of wire wrappers and the wires to go with them. -- John Willis UNIX Systems Administrator Associate Lockheed Martin IS&S CEO and Co-Founder Coherent Logic Development http://www.coherent-logic.com/ willisj@atlantis.clogic-int.com From allanh-cctalk at kallisti.com Sat Feb 7 17:49:27 2004 From: allanh-cctalk at kallisti.com (Allan Hessenflow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: waaa! Ebay Polymorphic 88 In-Reply-To: <200402072344.i17NiEOI079310@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200402072344.i17NiEOI079310@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <20040207154927.A17866@kallisti.com> Doc Shipley wrote: > I was horribly tempted to quote your entire message and ask you to > trim your quotes at the end. > > Instead I'll just suggest that you repost in a manner which might get > read by more than zero list members. Yes, sorry. I did in fact repost and that showed up in an earlier digest than my messed up post. When I saw the first one I was hoping something had filtered out the long one, but apparently it was only delayed. Anyway, I went to fix the subject before I had written the reply (since I read the digest, and my email client doesn't break them up, so the default subject would be worthless), and somehow slipped and sent it instead of getting back to edit the message text. I probably shouldn't try to write anything in the morning before coffee. allan -- Allan N. Hessenflow allanh@kallisti.com From esharpe at uswest.net Sat Feb 7 18:50:05 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (Ed Sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Cool Finds! 160 PPM scanner References: <3.0.6.32.20040207174147.00811100@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <004401c3eddd$7e4f7e00$4201d1ac@aoldsl.net> we are green with envy as we try to make our little hp unit scan 200 page books....... congrats! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe R." To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Cool Finds! 160 PPM scanner > Office/scanner/kv-ss855.asp+panasonic++scanner+kv-ss855&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie= > UTF-8> > > I found this last week. It failed self-test but I took it apart today and > found a jammed stepper motor and fixed it. Wahoo! > > Joe > > From esharpe at uswest.net Sat Feb 7 18:51:33 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (Ed Sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 References: <20040207214003.61028.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01c3eddd$b2eae640$4201d1ac@aoldsl.net> might try to get one of the power wire wrappers..... makes life go faster.... ed sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHAUN RIPLEY" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 > > --- Tore S Bekkedal wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I sent an email about a month or two back to Al > > Kossow saying that I was starting work on the PDP-7 > > again. With ungodly timing I proceeded to come down > > with the flu, travel abroad, and move. So here I am > > again. ;) > > I have come to the conclusion after some > > wire-tracing and so on, that this machine is smoking > > crack, and that very little is where it should be > > (except for core memory, everything seems right > > there). The processor has been modified ad nauseum, > > of course without documentation of any kind. > > > > Therefore, I need to take out all the modules, all > > the wires, and start afresh (might be a good idea, > > anyway - - this way I can clean all the contacts > > properly). Thus, I need a wire-wrapping tool. Does > > anyone here have one? > I know a guy who has a set. He asked $100. I can send > him email to contact you if you are interested. > > > > > TIA > > > > -tsb > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 7 18:06:27 2004 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (Jules Richardson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: FF: IBM S/36 5362 system (Milton Keynes, UK) Message-ID: <1076198021.7065.323.camel@weka.localdomain> Hi all, Bletchley Park's computer museum has a working IBM S/36 5362 machine going spare - it's been on display (unpowered) in the museum for a while but we need the space for another machine. It could go back into storage, but it's not the sort of thing that's particularly interesting as an exhibit even when it's running, so even if the space were available for display still, it'd probably be way down on the list of desirable things to have in the main room for the public to see. Hence the asking here if anyone wants it. It was running last time anyone powered it up. There's currently a Memorex terminal with it, plus I'm told there are manuals and disks for it (I haven't seen those personally to see exactly how many!) Shout if interested... cheers Jules From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 7 18:21:05 2004 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (Jules Richardson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: FF: Philips Wordprocessor (UK) Message-ID: <1076198900.7065.339.camel@weka.localdomain> Another oddity at the computer museum at Bletchley which I unfortunately didn't get much chance to look over (if there is interest I'll get better details later in the week). It's a Philips machine with twin 8" floppy drives - I'm told a dedicated wordprocessor, but I'm wondering if it isn't a full-blown CP/M system. Looks to be circa 1980 anyway. As with the IBM, we need the space in the museum, so it's into storage for it, or ask and see if anyone wants to give it a home. Comes with a terminal (I need to check and see if it's a full-blown Philips terminal or just a custom console for the main system box), Philips printer, and a whole pile of floppy disks. No idea of working state on this one; powering up without a boot disk gave a screen full of z's, so there's some basic functionality working at least... Anyone interested in giving it a home? cheers Jules From doc at mdrconsult.com Sat Feb 7 18:13:12 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: waaa! Ebay Polymorphic 88 In-Reply-To: <20040207154927.A17866@kallisti.com> References: <200402072344.i17NiEOI079310@huey.classiccmp.org> <20040207154927.A17866@kallisti.com> Message-ID: <9557C8F6-59CB-11D8-AF3E-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 7, 2004, at 5:49 PM, Allan Hessenflow wrote: > I read the digest, and my email client doesn't break them up, so the > default subject would be worthless), and somehow slipped and sent it > instead of getting back to edit the message text. I probably shouldn't > try to write anything in the morning before coffee. Ahh, yes. I write stuff, but rarely post it till I've had at least my first cup and proofed my writing. When I do post early, I usually regret it. Doc From aek at spies.com Sat Feb 7 18:58:03 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 Message-ID: <200402080058.i180w3D0030289@spies.com> > Therefore, I need to take out all the modules, all the wires, and start afresh -- This is a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad idea. It is hightly doubtful that someone completely rewired the backplane of this system. If you start ripping out wires, there is 0% chance this system will ever run again. From aek at spies.com Sat Feb 7 19:04:06 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: list "Archival Options" Message-ID: <200402080104.i181463Y001816@spies.com> Been through all the admin screens, and I can't find the option you are referring to. Any thoughts? -- from the web interface to mailman we're using, there are two columns of things on the mailing list admin page Configuration Categories Other Administrave Activities General Options Membership Management Privacy Options Regular-member (non-digest) Options Digest-member Options Bounce Options Archival Options <--- this one There are four button options on that page http://spies.com/mailman/admin/bitsavers/archive for the bitsavers mailing list The time setting one is the third of the list of four From rdd at rddavis.org Sat Feb 7 19:34:56 2004 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Perq 2T1 display fault In-Reply-To: <1076196906.7064.303.camel@weka.localdomain> References: <1076196906.7064.303.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040208012233.GD21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe Jules Richardson, from writings of Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 11:35:06PM +0000: > Got a Perq 2T1 with the KME 1514 portrait monitor - the display on the > front of the unit gets as far as 999 on power-up so it's looking > reasonably healthy. Only problem is an unstable display; it seems to be > missing out every 4th or so scanline, plus there's some horizontal > instability (I can see what appear to be characters on the display, but > they aren't readable at all) One of my PERQ T2's had a similar problem years ago, but that was with the 19" landscape Moniterm monitor. To solve the problem, I simply replaced the PLL chip in the monitor. > Anything prone to giving up in these monitors? From looking on the web > it appears they have a few custom parts in them :( (of course it's > *possible* the fault is in the system, not the monitor I suppose) Did you try reseating the boards or just letting the maching run for hours and hours? Is the problem intermittent? > Oh, and if anyone's dishing out Perq wisdom there's also a Perq 1 with a > display fault too - on that one the image is centered on the screen, but > squashed into about 80% of the normal width, and maybe 10% of normal > height. It's also very non-rectangular in nature. Never experienced that problem with my PERQ-1 systems... the only major thing that ever went wrong with them were head crashes. :-( For those not familiar with these machines, they had either SA4004 or SA4008 14", 12MB and 24MB, hard drives... not easy to find replacements for, alas. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Sat Feb 7 19:27:16 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: Perq 2T1 display fault In-Reply-To: <1076196906.7064.303.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson > Sent: 07 February 2004 23:35 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Perq 2T1 display fault > > > Got a Perq 2T1 with the KME 1514 portrait monitor - the > display on the front of the unit gets as far as 999 on > > Oh, and if anyone's dishing out Perq wisdom there's also a > Perq 1 with a display fault too - on that one the image is Tony's yer man for PERQ stuff, though I can guess the PERQ 1 is suffering bad components in the horizontal and vertical deflection circuits... Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From jwest at classiccmp.org Sat Feb 7 19:35:05 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:15 2005 Subject: list "Archival Options" References: <200402080104.i181463Y001816@spies.com> Message-ID: <06d401c3ede3$c7dc2b80$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> I'm running 2.1.2, that spot you mention is exactly where I looked, and that option isn't present in 2.1.2. Guess I need to find the time to upgrade. What version are you using? Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:04 PM Subject: Re: list "Archival Options" > > > > Been through all the admin screens, and I can't find the option you are > referring to. Any thoughts? > > -- > > from the web interface to mailman we're using, there are two columns of > things on the mailing list admin page > > Configuration Categories Other Administrave Activities > > General Options > Membership Management > Privacy Options > Regular-member (non-digest) Options > Digest-member Options > Bounce Options > Archival Options <--- this one > > > There are four button options on that page > http://spies.com/mailman/admin/bitsavers/archive for the bitsavers mailing list > > The time setting one is the third of the list of four > > From aek at spies.com Sat Feb 7 20:39:43 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: list "Archival Options" Message-ID: <200402080239.i182dhmh001843@spies.com> > What verison are you using? 2.0.13 From aek at spies.com Sat Feb 7 20:47:39 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: list "Archival Options" Message-ID: <200402080247.i182ldAe008203@spies.com> In Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py there should be something like def GetConfigInfo(self): return [ "List traffic archival policies.", ('archive', mm_cfg.Toggle, ('No', 'Yes'), 0, 'Archive messages?'), ('archive_private', mm_cfg.Radio, ('public', 'private'), 0, 'Is archive file source for public or private archival?'), ('clobber_date', mm_cfg.Radio, ('When sent', 'When resent'), 0, 'Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been ' 'sent, or to the time we resend it?'), From aek at spies.com Sat Feb 7 21:03:40 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: list "Archival Options" Message-ID: <200402080303.i1833emW018946@spies.com> foo.. the option went away in later versions was just looking at the latest code on sourceforge guess whoever came up with this never considered wanting to read a mailing list offline through the web archive. it worked fine until you upgraded a while back, then all the postings started getting scrambled in the archive based on what the poster's time zone is. -- on well.. now I know what happened From aek at spies.com Sat Feb 7 21:07:52 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: sigh Message-ID: <200402080307.i1837qxq021083@spies.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3583851295 should I tell the other bidder's it's on line at www.bitsavers.org/pdf/harvard/MarkI_operMan_1946.pdf ? curiously, the copy I scanned had a number (1703) on the title page while his copy doesn't From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sat Feb 7 21:12:30 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: sigh - High Priced Manuals... In-Reply-To: <200402080307.i1837qxq021083@spies.com> Message-ID: Al, Sure is getting a bit pricey! But there are advantages to having an original rather than an on-line copy, as I am sure you would agree. If not, we would all be running just emulators for our classic hardware rather than having the actual machines with all of the maintenance that implies. As many of you know I am in the process of getting a PDP-8 / ASR-33 project off the ground. I have been discussing the "value" of various items with different people, and the one thing we can all agree on is "How much are you willing to pay, or are you willing to keep looking?" is the only accurate answer. So I guess even "smart" people will bid on items that have content which is available for free...Or would you disagree, and say only fools would? David. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Al Kossow Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:08 PM To: classiccmp@classiccmp.org Subject: sigh http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3583851295 should I tell the other bidder's it's on line at www.bitsavers.org/pdf/harvard/MarkI_operMan_1946.pdf ? curiously, the copy I scanned had a number (1703) on the title page while his copy doesn't From fmc at reanimators.org Sat Feb 7 21:24:16 2004 From: fmc at reanimators.org (Frank McConnell) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: list "Archival Options" In-Reply-To: <200402080247.i182ldAe008203@spies.com> (Al Kossow's message of "Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:47:39 -0800") References: <200402080247.i182ldAe008203@spies.com> Message-ID: <200402080324.i183OGGA010673@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Al Kossow wrote: > ('clobber_date', mm_cfg.Radio, ('When sent', 'When resent'), 0, > 'Set date in archive to when the mail is claimed to have been ' > 'sent, or to the time we resend it?'), This option appears to have gone missing somewhere between 2.0 and 2.1. Mailman/versions.py has some code (ZapOldVars) to remove it from lists. -Frank McConnell From dickset at amanda.spole.gov Sat Feb 7 21:47:46 2004 From: dickset at amanda.spole.gov (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <200402080058.i180w3D0030289@spies.com> References: <200402080058.i180w3D0030289@spies.com> Message-ID: <20040208034746.GB10412@bos7.spole.gov> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 04:58:03PM -0800, Al Kossow wrote: In response to: > Therefore, I need to take out all the modules, all the wires, and > start afresh > > This is a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad idea. > > It is hightly doubtful that someone completely rewired the backplane > of this system. > > If you start ripping out wires, there is 0% chance this system will > ever run again. I have to agree. I did this a long time ago to a damaged PDP-8/L (broken wires, broken enclosure, missing front-plex and broken front panel...) At the time, I had two and had _no_ prints. I still have the net-list I made from dismantling it (but it's of no value now that I have real PDP-8/L prints). I wish I hadn't done it now and I can only plead youth and ignorance (I was 16 when I got the pair of -8/Ls). The point of this is to say that completely stripping the backplane is probably a one-way activity. Documenting and removing the cards and cleaning the slots (with a sliver of manila folder soaked in isopropanol) on the other hand, is a good idea. That is entirely reversible. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 08-Feb-2004 03:32 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -32.2 F (-35.7 C) Windchill -72.3 F (-58 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 12 kts Grid 063 Barometer 691.3 mb (10202. ft) Ethan.Dicks@amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html From brianmahoney at look.ca Sat Feb 7 21:59:25 2004 From: brianmahoney at look.ca (Brian Mahoney) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: sigh - High Priced Manuals... References: Message-ID: <000701c3edf8$035cedc0$0300a8c0@look.ca> I guess when speaking of manuals there is kind of a cachet that they have, similar to old automobile manuals. Prop the book up beside the computer or study it over a cup of coffee and the world seems a bit more comfortable I am not a PDP person but I do remember lusting after an Apple II repair manual that my local library had in perfect condition. Even though it hadn't been booked out in years, they wouldn't sell it to me. Luckily I came across the same manual, well a SAMS repair manual but you get the point, a short time later at a Value Village for 2 bucks. As for overpriced manuals, I would say that what is overpriced now will be REALLY overpriced in a while. The alternative would be for each of us to copy or scan all of the manuals we have and develop some sort of central library or website with PDF downloads of everything. The general feeling that I have is that there is a vast amount of hardware out there but only a small pile of manuals. When I look at my basement computer room which is about half-full of hardware and half-full of manuals and documents, I consider the latter far more valuable than the former. For instance, in CPM how do I get WUMP to load on my Kaypro? Stuff like that! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David V. Corbin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: RE: sigh - High Priced Manuals... > Al, > > Sure is getting a bit pricey! > > But there are advantages to having an original rather than an on-line copy, > as I am sure you would agree. If not, we would all be running just emulators > for our classic hardware rather than having the actual machines with all of > the maintenance that implies. > > As many of you know I am in the process of getting a PDP-8 / ASR-33 project > off the ground. I have been discussing the "value" of various items with > different people, and the one thing we can all agree on is "How much are you > willing to pay, or are you willing to keep looking?" is the only accurate > answer. > > So I guess even "smart" people will bid on items that have content which is > available for free...Or would you disagree, and say only fools would? > > David. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Al Kossow > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:08 PM > To: classiccmp@classiccmp.org > Subject: sigh > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3583851295 > > should I tell the other bidder's it's on line at > www.bitsavers.org/pdf/harvard/MarkI_operMan_1946.pdf ? > > curiously, the copy I scanned had a number (1703) on the title page > while his copy doesn't > > From teoz at neo.rr.com Sat Feb 7 22:02:39 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: sigh - High Priced Manuals... References: Message-ID: <004e01c3edf8$651bd120$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David V. Corbin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: RE: sigh - High Priced Manuals... > Al, > > Sure is getting a bit pricey! > > But there are advantages to having an original rather than an on-line copy, > as I am sure you would agree. If not, we would all be running just emulators > for our classic hardware rather than having the actual machines with all of > the maintenance that implies. > > As many of you know I am in the process of getting a PDP-8 / ASR-33 project > off the ground. I have been discussing the "value" of various items with > different people, and the one thing we can all agree on is "How much are you > willing to pay, or are you willing to keep looking?" is the only accurate > answer. > > So I guess even "smart" people will bid on items that have content which is > available for free...Or would you disagree, and say only fools would? > > David. If you need a manual to work on your equipment its stupid to pay $1400 for one when you can print it out for under $5 If you're just collecting it for reason other then pure functionality then it all depends how deep your pockets are and how much you like it. If an exact copy of the Mona Lisa was for sale at $5,000 and the original was for sale at $50,000,000 there will always be a few people fighting to pay for the original. Bill Gates would spend a smaller percentage of his net worth buying a real Rolex then a poor person buying a fake Rolex, its all relative. All I can say is that if you cant make your rent or feed your kids and you keep buying new additions to your collection you are an addict and need help. From yakowenk at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 22:07:06 2004 From: yakowenk at yahoo.com (Bill Yakowenko) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Apple 2e's (mostly) in Marion IL Message-ID: <20040208040706.79402.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com> Got the following mail from kbqunfiqll@mariqonuniqt2.com; reply to him directly (but first correct his address: change 'com' to 'org' and remove all letter 'q's). +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | I have 6 working lle computers w/monitors & 1 disk drive each. I also have | | 3 printers, 13 extra monitors, 8 extra disk drives, and an assortment of | | disks, cables, and a few other componets. I am located in Marion, Il. Are | | you interested? | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Cheers, Bill. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sat Feb 7 22:05:34 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: sigh - High Priced Manuals... In-Reply-To: <004e01c3edf8$651bd120$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: >> All I can say is that if you cant make your rent or feed your kids and you >> keep buying new additions to your collection you are an addict and need >> help. Complete agreement, with all you points, but especially that one. It is definitely necessary to set a budget (which depends greatly on personal circumstances) as to what is appropriate. My point was somewhat different in this case. If the manual is available for free as a PDF, then there is NO need to pay for a copy, even if the price is reasonably low and the purpose is for functional access to the information. If you are going to pay for it, then that puts you in the category of a collector, and are getting the manual for the sake of having the manual. IMHO, this is the same if you pay $20 for the manual or $2500. From jpl15 at panix.com Sat Feb 7 22:26:06 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Some more eBay: Altairs, Mark 8 kits Message-ID: Found in browsing after looking at the Harvard book which will probably top $2K - The Altair - looks like a nice system, had ADM3, disk drives... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2784770538&category=1247 Someone has 10 Mark 8 kits as described in the Jun 1974 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2786233229&category=4193 $300 each plus 10 s/h Orginal Altair disk boot loader cassette from May 1977 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2786248750&category=4193 $9.99 starting And for our YuKay breth'ren who think all the deals are on this side of the water: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2786206985&category=1247 and be very sure to cruise to this person's "List of Future eBay Items" for an amazing list of some very rare Stuff coming up! Okay that's enough - I just missed a bunch of full-size bus-grant jumper cards for $11.61 because I forgot the auction was closing... arrrgghhh! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2784625876&category=4193&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBDW%3AIT&rd=1 O well.... Cheers John From teoz at neo.rr.com Sat Feb 7 22:31:01 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: sigh - High Priced Manuals... References: Message-ID: <006d01c3edfc$5b832a10$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David V. Corbin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: RE: sigh - High Priced Manuals... > >> All I can say is that if you cant make your rent or feed your kids and > you > >> keep buying new additions to your collection you are an addict and need > >> help. > > Complete agreement, with all you points, but especially that one. It is > definitely necessary to set a budget (which depends greatly on personal > circumstances) as to what is appropriate. > > My point was somewhat different in this case. If the manual is available for > free as a PDF, then there is NO need to pay for a copy, even if the price is > reasonably low and the purpose is for functional access to the information. > > If you are going to pay for it, then that puts you in the category of a > collector, and are getting the manual for the sake of having the manual. > IMHO, this is the same if you pay $20 for the manual or $2500. > > Even though I have many machines that are setup to display pdf's I prefer printed manuals since I can drag them around when working on the machine in question, or just take it out back in the shade for a casual read on a nice sunny day. Whether you print the manual out of the laser or inkjet printer, take the original and photocopy it, or send the pdf to an unethical printhouse in NJ for a bound recreation it still costs you some money. A book is usable as is, and comes in handy during a power outage. From yakowenk at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 22:38:57 2004 From: yakowenk at yahoo.com (Bill Yakowenko) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update Message-ID: <20040208043857.32389.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone interested in that may also be interested in a similar effort of mine, the "Classic Computer Rescue Squad", located at this URL: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ccrs_list.html Since I'll probably be doing an update soon, this may be a good time to glance at your existing entries, and let me know if they need any changes. Cheers, Bill. On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, "Brian Mahoney" wrote: > > (I hope this attaches to my first post. My first attempt came up as a > separate post. ) > > The standalone list is at this site : > > http://www.geocities.com/computercollectors/index.htm > > The same list is also available on a link from my personl page and is here : > > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9107/collectors.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Mahoney" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:18 AM > Subject: Computer Collectors List - update > > For several years I have maintained a list of computer collectors ... etc etc __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From jpl15 at panix.com Sat Feb 7 22:49:01 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: IBM 519 Repro Punch eBay big bux Message-ID: Looks in nice shape, has some manuals - $5,500 buy-it-now http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076351299&category=294 go ahead - I'm going to sit this one out - no worries... Cheers John From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sat Feb 7 22:51:15 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: IBM 519 Repro Punch eBay big bux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Might as well get the set.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=294&item=3076352013 -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Lawson Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:49 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: IBM 519 Repro Punch eBay big bux Looks in nice shape, has some manuals - $5,500 buy-it-now http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3076351299&category=294 go ahead - I'm going to sit this one out - no worries... Cheers John From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sat Feb 7 23:01:49 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update In-Reply-To: <20040208043857.32389.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MailEnable: Message Delivery Failure. The following recipient(s) could not be reached: [SMTP:yakowxenk@csx.unxc.edu]: The message could not be delivered because the domain name (csx.unxc.edu) does not appear to be registered. Message contents follow: Received: from vmw2kpgeneral ([24.186.41.128]) by wns.trademarkhosting.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:46:20 -0700 Bill, meesage bounced when I used the e-mail on the site so.... I would very much like to join your list. My primary interest is DEC equipment especially PDP-8 and Teletype. I am also willing to act as a salvage point for other items that would be destined for scrap. Please let me know if you need any additional information David V. Corbin Dynamic Concepts Development Corp Sayville, New York 631-244-8487 david@dynamicconcepts.us ps: Please do something with the colors on the web page. It is totally un-readable under many circumstances. In order to even see the pages I had to copy the text into an editor and view it there. This would not encourage people to use the list. David -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Yakowenko Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:39 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Computer Collectors List - update Anyone interested in that may also be interested in a similar effort of mine, the "Classic Computer Rescue Squad", located at this URL: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ccrs_list.html Since I'll probably be doing an update soon, this may be a good time to glance at your existing entries, and let me know if they need any changes. Cheers, Bill. On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, "Brian Mahoney" wrote: > > (I hope this attaches to my first post. My first attempt came up as a > separate post. ) > > The standalone list is at this site : > > http://www.geocities.com/computercollectors/index.htm > > The same list is also available on a link from my personl page and is here : > > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9107/collectors.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Mahoney" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:18 AM > Subject: Computer Collectors List - update > > For several years I have maintained a list of computer collectors ... etc etc __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From jpl15 at panix.com Sat Feb 7 23:17:05 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll send this privately to Bill also - but my info is 5 years out of date, and I notice just in a cursory glance that several other listing are no longer valid... might be time for a pre-spring pruning... But I like it better than the other list (wherein I do not appear) mainly because I'm a curmusdgeon and utterly refuse to smear myself with pop-up garbage from Geocities, Tripod, or other "free" webhosting dirtbags. Sorry - didn't mean to vent. Must... reduce...... caffein.... On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote: > [snippage] > > > ps: Please do something with the colors on the web page. It is totally > un-readable under many circumstances. In order to even see the pages I had > to copy the text into an editor and view it there. This would not encourage > people to use the list. > > hmmmm - to my browser (IE6) it's a nice light blue text on black.... > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Bill Yakowenko > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:39 PM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Computer Collectors List - update > > > Anyone interested in that may also be interested in a similar effort > of mine, the "Classic Computer Rescue Squad", located at this URL: > > http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ccrs_list.html > Cheerz John From rdd at rddavis.org Sat Feb 7 23:30:04 2004 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian Filter detected spam In-Reply-To: <001701c3ed0a$ecd5db40$0300a8c0@look.ca> References: <4024065A.AC936305@compsys.to> <001701c3ed0a$ecd5db40$0300a8c0@look.ca> Message-ID: <20040208051748.GE21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> > > >Brian Mahoney wrote: > I'm not really sure how to do that, I use Dreamweaver to set up the page. A good example of useless software. That explains why so many web pages are created which older browsers can't use, for no good reason. I can't understand why anyone who isn't mentally retarded would even want to use software to design web pages instead of relying upon their own brains. It's much easier to just write all of the HTML by hand. That's what I do, unless I have a need for dynamically generated pages, in which case I write the Perl or javascript by hand that generates the dynamically generated code. It really isn't that difficult to learn HTML and some very basic javascript, since there isn't much at all to learn for the basics. What takes the time is deciding on the overall site and page design itself, not the technical details. Writing the HTML doesn't doesn't take long at all (actually, it's probably faster than fooling with that annoying software used to create web pages) and it will give you much more flexibility. Try it, you'll like it. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sat Feb 7 23:21:03 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>> hmmmm - to my browser (IE6) it's a nice light blue text on black.... Try setting your monitor to 2048x1536 resolution and viewing the page! The list blue text is so thin (due to the monochromatic nature) that the letters are nearly invisible. IMHO web pages should all defer to using the default colors and sizes of the viewer computer for textual information. btw: My company does do Web based application design as one of our key product lines.... From dickset at amanda.spole.gov Sat Feb 7 22:45:23 2004 From: dickset at amanda.spole.gov (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Some more eBay: Altairs, Mark 8 kits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040208044523.GB12832@bos7.spole.gov> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 11:26:06PM -0500, John Lawson wrote: > Okay that's enough - I just missed a bunch of full-size bus-grant jumper > cards for $11.61 because I forgot the auction was closing... arrrgghhh! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2784625876&category=4193&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBDW%3AIT&rd=1 That's a great price for them. IIRC, Software Results' cost for our version (no plastic handles, but the PCB had a cutout near the top) was $18/each, over 10 years ago, quantity 100. I just wish our engineer had listened to me and made our cards jumperable for Unibus/Qbus... I doubt it would have cost even $1 more each, and we would have been able to service our Qbus customers as well as our Unibus customers (we shipped a Unibus grant card with every Unibus COMBOARD, but nothing with Qbus COMBOARDs, not even DEC grant cards). -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 08-Feb-2004 04:32 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -31.4 F (-35.3 C) Windchill -67.8 F (-55.5 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 10.8 kts Grid 065 Barometer 691 mb (10214. ft) Ethan.Dicks@amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sat Feb 7 23:25:29 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: <20040208051748.GE21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: R.D. While your points are well taken (it is easy to design BAD pages using tools such as DreamWeaver), hand writing HTML is not practical for most professional web development (which I have been doing for well over 10 years). When my firm sets up a site that has over a hundred pages (just counting the "static" content) and then client say "change these logos", "move the tool bar from the top to the left", or other quite common changes, we would quickly go broke if we decided top open each of the pages and manually modify the HTML. David. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of R. D. Davis Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 12:18 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian Filter detected spam > > >Brian Mahoney wrote: > I'm not really sure how to do that, I use Dreamweaver to set up the page. A good example of useless software. That explains why so many web pages are created which older browsers can't use, for no good reason. I can't understand why anyone who isn't mentally retarded would even want to use software to design web pages instead of relying upon their own brains. It's much easier to just write all of the HTML by hand. That's what I do, unless I have a need for dynamically generated pages, in which case I write the Perl or javascript by hand that generates the dynamically generated code. It really isn't that difficult to learn HTML and some very basic javascript, since there isn't much at all to learn for the basics. What takes the time is deciding on the overall site and page design itself, not the technical details. Writing the HTML doesn't doesn't take long at all (actually, it's probably faster than fooling with that annoying software used to create web pages) and it will give you much more flexibility. Try it, you'll like it. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From jpl15 at panix.com Sat Feb 7 23:28:33 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian Filter detected spam In-Reply-To: <20040208051748.GE21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> References: <4024065A.AC936305@compsys.to> <001701c3ed0a$ecd5db40$0300a8c0@look.ca> <20040208051748.GE21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, R. D. Davis wrote: > > > >Brian Mahoney wrote: > > I'm not really sure how to do that, I use Dreamweaver to set up the page. > > A good example of useless software. That explains why so many web > pages are created which older browsers can't use, for no good reason. > I can't understand why anyone who isn't mentally retarded would even > want to use software to design web pages instead of relying upon their > own brains. Yeow - and I thought I got in cranky moods once in a while. You, Sir, are the Guru. I am the worthless servant of your servant, less than the dust of your chappals. Your Opinions are my opinions. Your Skills are my skills. Your Abilities are mine, lest I appear 'retarded'. I am not worthy..... Cheers John PS: about that caffein... From jpl15 at panix.com Sat Feb 7 23:31:46 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is getting a bit off-topic, excuse this retarded person's drooling: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote: > >>> hmmmm - to my browser (IE6) it's a nice light blue text on black.... > > Try setting your monitor to 2048x1536 resolution and viewing the page! The ^^^^^^^^^ Ah - I can't. IBM Thinkpad Laptop = fixed display res. I'm using a 21" tube here at home that stays on the desk, but I'm stuck with one resolution. That explains it... Thanks! Cheers John From allain at panix.com Sat Feb 7 23:45:15 2004 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update References: Message-ID: <06f201c3ee06$babbf340$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> >>> hmmmm - to my browser (IE6) it's a nice light blue text on black.... A good quick fix for _viewers_ of web pages with poor text/background contrast is to do a 'select all' on it. The text color will invert, and give you a second chance at viewability. Personally, http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ccrs_list.html is viewable just fine as is. John A. From teoz at neo.rr.com Sat Feb 7 23:47:13 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update References: Message-ID: <00c401c3ee07$006f9400$0500fea9@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David V. Corbin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: RE: Computer Collectors List - update > >>> hmmmm - to my browser (IE6) it's a nice light blue text on black.... > > Try setting your monitor to 2048x1536 resolution and viewing the page! The > list blue text is so thin (due to the monochromatic nature) that the letters > are nearly invisible. IMHO web pages should all defer to using the default > colors and sizes of the viewer computer for textual information. > > btw: My company does do Web based application design as one of our key > product lines.... > > 2048x1536? Who the hell uses that on a regular basis at home? My inadequate Sony 420GS 19" doesn't do more then 1600x1200, and I use 1280x1024 for all browsing (nice to be able to see the text). What is the design resolution of webpages these days? From mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Sat Feb 7 23:55:51 2004 From: mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402080557.AAA22931@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > When my firm sets up a site that has over a hundred pages (just > counting the "static" content) and then client say "change these > logos", "move the tool bar from the top to the left", or other quite > common changes, we would quickly go broke if we decided top open each > of the pages and manually modify the HTML. As opposed to doing the same with some gooey tool, I suppose? Yes, you should be mechanically generating such boilerplate. But not with point-and-drool tools - unless you want point-and-drool level results. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From nico at farumdata.dk Sun Feb 8 00:00:52 2004 From: nico at farumdata.dk (Nico de Jong) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Philips Wordprocessor (UK) References: <1076198900.7065.339.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: <002f01c3ee08$e943a760$2201a8c0@finans> From: "Jules Richardson" > Another oddity at the computer museum at Bletchley which I unfortunately > didn't get much chance to look over (if there is interest I'll get > better details later in the week). > > It's a Philips machine with twin 8" floppy drives - I'm told a dedicated > wordprocessor, but I'm wondering if it isn't a full-blown CP/M system. > Looks to be circa 1980 anyway. Without pictures, I would say it could be a Philips 5002 or 5020. IIRC, both machines were made by Micon in Canada. Micon is/was at that time a Philips subsidiary Nico From mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Sat Feb 7 23:57:14 2004 From: mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update In-Reply-To: <00c401c3ee07$006f9400$0500fea9@game> References: <00c401c3ee07$006f9400$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <200402080558.AAA22944@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > 2048x1536? Who the hell uses that on a regular basis at home? I would if I had a monitor (and framebuffer) that could. I used to use 1600x1280 until my last such monitor finally died. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From spectre at floodgap.com Sun Feb 8 00:30:07 2004 From: spectre at floodgap.com (Cameron Kaiser) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: from "David V. Corbin" at "Feb 8, 4 00:25:29 am" Message-ID: <200402080630.WAA11772@floodgap.com> > While your points are well taken (it is easy to design BAD pages using tools > such as DreamWeaver), hand writing HTML is not practical for most > professional web development (which I have been doing for well over 10 > years). > > When my firm sets up a site that has over a hundred pages (just counting the > "static" content) and then client say "change these logos", "move the tool > bar from the top to the left", or other quite common changes, we would > quickly go broke if we decided top open each of the pages and manually > modify the HTML. ... which is why any server worth its salt offers modularity or template support for including these kinds of components into a standard site-wide skeleton. Even plain-jane Apache can accomplish this with SSI, and some servers like Roxen really go the extra mile in this regard. -- ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser@floodgap.com -- High explosives are applicable where truth and logic fail. -- Marcello Corno From rdd at rddavis.org Sun Feb 8 01:08:22 2004 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: References: <20040208051748.GE21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: <20040208070246.GF21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe David V. Corbin, from writings of Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:25:29AM -0500: > When my firm sets up a site that has over a hundred pages (just counting the > "static" content) and then client say "change these logos", "move the tool > bar from the top to the left", or other quite common changes, we would > quickly go broke if we decided top open each of the pages and manually > modify the HTML. Why not just hack a short perl script (or a shell script using various other UNIX-land tools like sed, ed, etc.) to make the changes? You could even use some slightly longer and slightly more complex scripts, C code, or whatever suits your fancy, to automate things a step further. That way, you can automate such tasks without having to resort to commercial software that's doing who knows what sort of screwy things to the HTML, javascript and perhaps cgi scripts as well. Going past that, if you need more complexity, you can set up a system of templates that work with database routines to make some changes on the fly while web pages are being viewed by different categories of human viewers... or different web browsers. All sorts of fun things can be done without lowering yourselt to use such annoying commercial software, without going broke, without hand-modifying the HTML (but still modifying it to your liking, with the same good results as if you had done it by hand), to modify large quantities of HTML. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From spc at conman.org Sun Feb 8 01:05:20 2004 From: spc at conman.org (Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian In-Reply-To: <20040208051748.GE21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> from "R. D. Davis" at Feb 08, 2004 12:17:48 AM Message-ID: <20040208070520.81A7710A2361@swift.conman.org> It was thus said that the Great R. D. Davis once stated: > > > > >Brian Mahoney wrote: > > I'm not really sure how to do that, I use Dreamweaver to set up the page. > > A good example of useless software. That explains why so many web > pages are created which older browsers can't use, for no good reason. > I can't understand why anyone who isn't mentally retarded would even > want to use software to design web pages instead of relying upon their > own brains. > > It's much easier to just write all of the HTML by hand. That's what I > do, unless I have a need for dynamically generated pages, in which > case I write the Perl or javascript by hand that generates the > dynamically generated code. It really isn't that difficult to learn > HTML and some very basic javascript, since there isn't much at all to > learn for the basics. What takes the time is deciding on the overall > site and page design itself, not the technical details. Writing the > HTML doesn't doesn't take long at all (actually, it's probably faster > than fooling with that annoying software used to create web pages) and > it will give you much more flexibility. Try it, you'll like it. Possibly. My website [1] was originally hand written [2]. The problem I had was adding new pages to the site. For instance, adding a new about page (with new self-portrait) required creating a new file (which usually was a copy of the previous page and then edited) plus editing two or three other pages. Tedious and somewhat error prone; forget about changing the layout or even updating the HTML to something more modern (original site [2] was HTML 3.2, new site [1] is now HTML 4.01 strict). I have over 140 pages to edit if I want to change the look. Talk about tedious. So I spend about a few weeks total convering my site to XML (pretty much contains the content only), then writing an XSLT file to create all the pages from the XML file, plus add the navigation links. Now it's easier to add pages to the site; heck, it's easy to add whole new sections to the site. But XSLT is *not* an easy thing to work in. Over 1,000 lines of ... code ... to implement an automated way to add new pages. -spc (Now a bit easier to change the look of the site ... ) [1] http://www.conman.org/people/spc/ [2] http://www.flummux.org/spc/ From rdd at rddavis.org Sun Feb 8 01:30:44 2004 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian Filter detected spam In-Reply-To: References: <4024065A.AC936305@compsys.to> <001701c3ed0a$ecd5db40$0300a8c0@look.ca> <20040208051748.GE21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: <20040208072429.GG21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe John Lawson, from writings of Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:28:33AM -0500: > Yeow - and I thought I got in cranky moods once in a while. You may address me as Your Royal Grouchiness, my good man. ;-) > You, Sir, are the Guru. I am the worthless servant of your servant, less If I am, then we're all in big trouble... > than the dust of your chappals. Your Opinions are my opinions. Your > Skills are my skills. Your Abilities are mine, lest I appear 'retarded'. Nah, that would make things too boring, and I couldn't have any more reasons to be rumored to be a grouch at times. Still, if everyone who can vote here wants to vote for me as king, and do away with the 2004, and future, presidential debates in the U.S., I surely won't object. It would be your chance to make this a more interesting world to live in. > I am not worthy..... Hey, no danged cheating. Write the entire phrase so we know what you're saying; we don't read minds. Did your teachers allow you to get away with that when being told to write something over and over again on the blackboard in grade school? > PS: about that caffein... As to me, I don't go near the stuff any more... it can be a killer (literally!)... lesson learned the hard way. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From spc at conman.org Sun Feb 8 01:23:03 2004 From: spc at conman.org (Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: <20040208070246.GF21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> from "R. D. Davis" at Feb 08, 2004 02:02:46 AM Message-ID: <20040208072303.20E3010A2361@swift.conman.org> It was thus said that the Great R. D. Davis once stated: > > Quothe David V. Corbin, from writings of Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:25:29AM -0500: > > When my firm sets up a site that has over a hundred pages (just counting the > > "static" content) and then client say "change these logos", "move the tool > > bar from the top to the left", or other quite common changes, we would > > quickly go broke if we decided top open each of the pages and manually > > modify the HTML. > > Why not just hack a short perl script (or a shell script using various > other UNIX-land tools like sed, ed, etc.) to make the changes? You > could even use some slightly longer and slightly more complex scripts, > C code, or whatever suits your fancy, to automate things a step > further. Nice if you have inhouse staff to do that. Then there are maintenance issues of the code base (along with the data for the site). Here's a bit of XSLT that let's me define links to the next and preceeding pages within a section of my site:
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    • Now, imagine this is part of a company site and I leave my current development position (promoted, new job, whatever). Next guy that comes along now has to maintain this; there's only a handful of people I know that have even worked with XSLT and they're not local to where I am. And this is with an open source XSLT processor running under Unix. -spc (Then there's the issue of the size of the site ... ) From john_boffemmyer_iv at boff-net.dhs.org Sat Feb 7 21:05:28 2004 From: john_boffemmyer_iv at boff-net.dhs.org (John Boffemmyer IV) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: FS: PC stuff, cleaning out the basement In-Reply-To: <268a201gecef9chu78m8j3tu8dp5ekofc0@4ax.com> References: <268a201gecef9chu78m8j3tu8dp5ekofc0@4ax.com> Message-ID: <6.0.2.0.2.20040207220455.02467320@mail.n.ml.org> Where are you? The AMD unit sounds good. -John Boffemmyer IV At 12:40 PM 2/7/2004, you wrote: >I have too much PC junk sitting around the basement. No drives, >keyboards, or RAM. Working when shelved. > >AMD K6-300 CPU, fan, motherboard, power supply, case. $10 + >postage. > >Intel 486-66 CPU, motherboard, video card, modem card, power >supply, case. $5 + postage. > >I just hate to throw it in the dumpster. Can separate pieces to >keep shipping cost down or if you don't want the cases. > >thanks >Charles ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html --------------------------------------- From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat Feb 7 21:16:28 2004 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: FS/FT: big lot of DEC/PDP/VAX handbooks and manuals Message-ID: <20040208031628.GV11563@mrbill.net> Hey everyone, I've got a huge lot of DEC PDP/VAX/etc handbooks and manuals that I need to move out now that I'm concentrating primarily on newer Apple and Sun stuff. This is what I've got left after cleaning out the garage and discarding other manuals that I'm sure other people have already archived or have made available online. Everything is in good shape (considering its age) and none of the books have water damage. One of them (the '73-74 peripherals handbook) has a torn-off cover, but I can fix that with tape. As a bonus, I'll throw in a maroon/purple DEC rack header panel. I'd prefer to keep all this as one big lot, but I might "part it out" if I get a good enough offer. Would like to sell, or trade for useful equipment (x86 systems, older Cisco switches or PIX boxes, Mac systems that will (natively) run OS X, or just make an offer of something interesting). Pictures of everything are up at http://www.mrbill.net/decbooks/ Here's the list. Email me if you're interested. HANDBOOKS: (most all in paperback "novel"-ish size) --------------------------------------------------- RSX 11M+ Mini-Reference (in tiny binder) RSX-11 Handbook (1984-85) LA120 Pocket Service Guide DIGITAL Logic Handbook (1969) - Positive Logic Edition DIGITAL Logic Handbook (1970) DIGITAL Logic Handbook (1973-74) DIGITAL Logic System Design Handbook (1972) LSI-11 PDP11/03 Processor Handbook (1975-76) (three copies) DIGITAL Microcomputer Handbook (1977-78) DIGITAL Microcomputers and Memories (1982) (two copies) DIGITAL Software Handbook (Fall '88/Winter '89) DIGITAL Microcomputer Processors (1978-79) Programming Languages (1972) Hardware Documentation Kit Handbook (Fall '80) Communications Equipment Handbook (1970) ULTRIX Software Guidebook: A Reference to UNIX Software (1st Ed., 1984) VAX Software Handbook (1982-83) VAX Architecture Handbook (1981) (two copies) Terminals & Printers Handbook (1983-84) PDP-8/E & PDP-8/M Small Computer Handbook (1972) PDP-8/E Small Computer Handbook (1971) PDP-11/04/24/34A/44/70 Processor Handbook (1981) PDP-11 Processor Handbook (1978-79) PDP-11/34 Processor Handbook (1976) PDP-11/60 Processor Handbook (1977-78) PDP-11/45 Processor Handbook (1972) PDP-11/40 Processor Handbook (1972) PDP-11 Architecture Handbook (1983-84) (two copies) PDP-11 Micro/PDP-11 Handbook (1983-84) (two copies) PDP-11 Peripherals Handbook (1978-79) PDP-11 Peripherals Handbook (1973-74) PDP-11 Peripherals Handbook (1976) PDP-11 Systems and Options Catalog (Oct/Dec '84) PDP-11 Software Source Book (Fifth Edition, 1986) - Vol. 1 Accounting to Ins. PDP-11 Software Source Book (Second Edition, 1983) - Vol. 2 Systems Software PDP-11 Software Handbook (1976) (three copies) PDP-11 Software Handbook (1986) Laboratory Computer Handbook (PDP-12, 1971) (two copies) OTHER BOOKS: (mostly hardback textbook-type) -------------------------------------------- decsystem10 TECO (Text Editor and Corrector Program) Programmer's Reference Manual (1972) (paper) Introduction to TECO (Text Editor and Corrector) (1975) (paper) VT50 Video Terminal User's Manual (paper) PDP-11 Structured Assembly Language Programming (Sebesta) (hardback) Assembly Language for the PDP-11 (Kapps/Stafford) (hardback) VAX Assembly Language & Architecture (Prindle, Weber, Schmidt) (hardback) NON-DEC: -------- Data General Eclipse S/140 (Programmer's Reference Series) (paper) -- bill bradford mrbill@mrbill.net austin, texas From tim at tim-mann.org Sat Feb 7 21:50:36 2004 From: tim at tim-mann.org (Tim Mann) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Catweasel Experts out there??? Message-ID: <20040207195036.3b60e45c@giga.mumblefrotz.org> Jim Battle writes: > Hard sectored disks are a problem for the catweasel to write. There is > a function to write from index mark to index mark, except the catweasel > assumes there is just a single index mark per revolution. I haven't written code to do this, but the approach I would take is to align with the sector holes by hand: Spin reading from the input port that returns the hole sensor's status, then give the "start writing immediately" command when you see a hole, and write one sector's worth of data. Then spin waiting for another sector hole and write another sector's worth, etc. You might find that you miss a hole each time and need two revolutions to write the whole track. One reason I suggest this is that it seems like there is yet another reason why the Catweasel's built-in hole-to-hole write isn't suitable. Don't hard-sectored disks have an index hole for the whole track that is about halfway between two of the sector holes? If your disks have that, you'd be unable to write that sector with a hard hole-to-hole Catweasel write -- it would stop halfway through. Still assuming this is true, you could find the track index hole by spinning watching for sector holes and noting the time between each two. When you find two that are too close together, you've found the track index hole. I suppose you might have to do all this in DOS to ensure you don't get interrupts that you don't want and that mess up your timing. I'm not sure disabling interrupts is necessary, though. You also could use Linux, as you can do a Linux iopl system call that gives a user process high enough privileges to read/write I/O ports *and* even disable interrupts if needed. I don't know enough about how hard sectored FDCs work to know if there are problems with this approach... -- Tim Mann tim@tim-mann.org http://tim-mann.org/ From toresbe at ifi.uio.no Sun Feb 8 03:03:28 2004 From: toresbe at ifi.uio.no (Tore S Bekkedal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 Message-ID: <016701c3ee22$6c257a00$34b69fc3@ra3> > Therefore, I need to take out all the modules, all the wires, and > start afresh > > This is a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad idea. > > It is hightly doubtful that someone completely rewired the backplane > of this system. > > If you start ripping out wires, there is 0% chance this system will > ever run again. But I have no choice. The processor was modified with an improvised API, and half of this was later removed (leaving the processor useless) Also, an IPB (Inter-Processor Buffer) was made, which connected it to a NORD-1, a not-quite-mini, not-quite-mainframe machine. This has also, of course, been removed. The CPU and IO planes, are, in short, FUBAR. I have complete documentation of the wires, and of module locations, they are all documented clearly in F-77 Maintenance Manual (which you have on your site). They are easy to read, and give a complete schematic of both the backplane, and the module locations. There is 0% chance as is. -tsb From jos.mar at bluewin.ch Sun Feb 8 05:23:23 2004 From: jos.mar at bluewin.ch (Jos Dreesen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: TEk8002 available... Message-ID: <34C65C72-5A29-11D8-9607-000A9585D8F6@bluewin.ch> I've tried before, but here it goes again : Free to a good home : One Tek 8002 microprocessor lab, with software. Used for games development. No documentation, but then there is always Al Kossow... Pods for 8080,6802 and Z80. Never powered on by me. Matching Tek4024 Terminal (nonfunctional) Will be dismantled if no takers. Will use the 8" floppy drives to repair the failing ones in my DSD440. Where : Zurich, Switzerland. Why : as always, no place , no time, too many projects. Jos Dreesen From vcf at siconic.com Sun Feb 8 05:33:04 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <016701c3ee22$6c257a00$34b69fc3@ra3> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Tore S Bekkedal wrote: > But I have no choice. The processor was modified with an improvised > API, and half of this was later removed (leaving the processor useless) > > Also, an IPB (Inter-Processor Buffer) was made, > which connected it to a NORD-1, a not-quite-mini, not-quite-mainframe > machine. This has also, of course, been removed. > > The CPU and IO planes, are, in short, FUBAR. > > I have complete documentation of the wires, and of module locations, > they are all documented clearly in F-77 Maintenance Manual (which > you have on your site). They are easy to read, and give a complete > schematic of both the backplane, and the module locations. > > There is 0% chance as is. Well, then I say go to it. I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that it would be impossible to re-wire a PDP-7, especially since someone or something (was it done in an automated fashion at the factory?) had to do it to begin with. Difficult, yes, but certainly not impossible, especially if someone is determined to do it. Good luck! And keep us posted on your progress. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From waltje at pdp11.nl Sun Feb 8 05:43:01 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > There is 0% chance as is. > > Well, then I say go to it. I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that it > would be impossible to re-wire a PDP-7, especially since someone or > something (was it done in an automated fashion at the factory?) had to do > it to begin with. > > Difficult, yes, but certainly not impossible, especially if someone is > determined to do it. When I started playing with PDP-11's in 1986, they gave me a messed-up 11/40 system which didnt work. The sys admin said it used to work fine, so I had a good chance of getting it back to life by cleaning out each and every part, stripping the backplane, and then rewiring it. So... I did. I spent the next 3 weeks with a wrap-gun clamped in my right hand, a magnifying thinger on my head (I looked like a surgeon ;-) and lots of paper around me. The good news is.. it DID work afterwards. :) Obviously, a -7 is *much* more work, but assuming Tor as the complete wire lists and module locations, and LOTS of time, he should be able to get that back to life, too. Good luck, Tor.. I still have my wrap gun, you can borrow it if needed! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA From dickset at amanda.spole.gov Sun Feb 8 05:43:56 2004 From: dickset at amanda.spole.gov (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:16 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: References: <016701c3ee22$6c257a00$34b69fc3@ra3> Message-ID: <20040208114356.GB8273@bos7.spole.gov> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:33:04AM -0800, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > ...since someone or something (was it done in an automated fashion at the > factory?) had to do it to begin with. Yes. DEC stuff was done by a combination of man (or woman) and machine. The manufacturing system I am familiar with positioned the wire-wrap gun over the pin under computer control, and a human visually verified the placement and pressed a button to wrap the wire. Apparently, they didn't trust a machine to do the entire operation. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 08-Feb-2004 11:41 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -33.9 F (-36.6 C) Windchill -70.40 F (-56.9 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 10.6 kts Grid 074 Barometer 689.1 mb (10285. ft) Ethan.Dicks@amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html From als at thangorodrim.de Sun Feb 8 05:43:17 2004 From: als at thangorodrim.de (Alexander Schreiber) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: References: <20040208051748.GE21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: <20040208114317.GA16600@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:25:29AM -0500, David V. Corbin wrote: > R.D. > > While your points are well taken (it is easy to design BAD pages using tools > such as DreamWeaver), hand writing HTML is not practical for most > professional web development (which I have been doing for well over 10 > years). > > When my firm sets up a site that has over a hundred pages (just counting the > "static" content) and then client say "change these logos", "move the tool > bar from the top to the left", or other quite common changes, we would > quickly go broke if we decided top open each of the pages and manually > modify the HTML. Have you never heard of template processors? There are tons of them out there (you could probably even abuse cpp) and if you don't like any of them, a custom one could be whipped up with a few lines of Perl/Python or whatever language you prefer. So you make the logos a defined value, change the replacement rule for it and fed your source through the preprocessor again. > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of R. D. Davis > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 12:18 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: Computer Collectors List - update - Bayesian > Filter detected spam > > > > > >Brian Mahoney wrote: > > I'm not really sure how to do that, I use Dreamweaver to set up the page. > > A good example of useless software. That explains why so many web > pages are created which older browsers can't use, for no good reason. > I can't understand why anyone who isn't mentally retarded would even > want to use software to design web pages instead of relying upon their > own brains. > > It's much easier to just write all of the HTML by hand. That's what I > do, unless I have a need for dynamically generated pages, in which > case I write the Perl or javascript by hand that generates the > dynamically generated code. It really isn't that difficult to learn > HTML and some very basic javascript, since there isn't much at all to > learn for the basics. What takes the time is deciding on the overall > site and page design itself, not the technical details. Writing the > HTML doesn't doesn't take long at all (actually, it's probably faster > than fooling with that annoying software used to create web pages) and > it will give you much more flexibility. Try it, you'll like it. Regards, Alex. -- "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Sun Feb 8 05:42:32 2004 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Box o' Parts --- ASR 33.. (David V. Corbin) In-Reply-To: "O. Sharp" "RE: Box o' Parts --- ASR 33.. (David V. Corbin)" (Feb 7, 15:29) References: Message-ID: <10402081142.ZM22300@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Feb 7, 15:29, O. Sharp wrote: > David V. Corbin wrote thus: > > > What would really help if there were some good "exploded" mechanicals > > available. > Teletype put out some very good maintenance manuals for the ASR-33, which > had (among other things) very extensive exploded views. _Very_ extensive. > Probably more extensive than you want. :) I haven't found a set online, > unfortunately You can't have looked very hard :-) The Technical Manuals have been on David Guesswein's site for a very long time, the schematics are a slightly more recent addition, and they're all also on Kevin McQuiggin's site. Look at either http://www.pdp8.net/query_docs/query_all.html (near the bottom) http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/pdp8/ (about halfway down) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 8 06:54:37 2004 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (Jules Richardson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076244112.13760.7.camel@weka.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 05:25, David V. Corbin wrote: > R.D. > > While your points are well taken (it is easy to design BAD pages using tools > such as DreamWeaver), hand writing HTML is not practical for most > professional web development (which I have been doing for well over 10 > years). > > When my firm sets up a site that has over a hundred pages (just counting the > "static" content) and then client say "change these logos", "move the tool > bar from the top to the left", or other quite common changes, we would > quickly go broke if we decided top open each of the pages and manually > modify the HTML. Ok, I know nothing about Dreamweaver - but to make changes like you mention, won't any content management system worth its salt just let you check out the revelvant template from the database, edit it in whatever your favourite HTML editor is, then check it back in? Also, presumably, such a system is independant of web server platform / software, so you're not tied down to a particular vendor either (subject to you not using platform-specific code for the server side and instead using perl, JSP etc.) cheers Jules From wmaddox at pacbell.net Sun Feb 8 07:01:10 2004 From: wmaddox at pacbell.net (William Maddox) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 References: <016701c3ee22$6c257a00$34b69fc3@ra3> Message-ID: <013001c3ee43$9f7f5e90$1000a8c0@winxpsp1a2100> Tore, If I understand you correctly, you are saying that major subsystems were added to the CPU and wired into the backplane by a former user, who removed these components without regard to its effect on the operability of the machine before you came into possession of it. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Many academic and lab shops did extensive custom modifications, like the famous BBN paging box on the Tenex KA-10s. If this is the case, then clearly you've got your work cut out for you. I would caution you against assuming that the maintenance manual is complete and accurate for your machine. These machines went through multiple revisions and field ECOs during their lifetime. There was a set of field maintenance prints issued for the specific revision that a customer had, which was then kept up to date with the machine. (At least this is true of the Straight-8 of similar vintage.) It is even possible that you will not have exactly the same cards as documented in the manual, so certainly check this before pulling any wires loose! Consider an ECO that requires an extra gate or two, for example. I think the most prudent course of action would be to leave the existing wiring in place for now, but to carefully trace out what modifications were made and note what wiring has been added and removed. The pictures of the machine show some wiring of a different color -- frequently new wire added during customer modifications or ECOs would be a different color precisely to make it easier to identify, so you might want to see if that theory checks out for your machine. Once you understand the nature of the modifications in detail, then you can undo them. Wire-wrapping is tedious, so you might as well avoid as much of it as you can. A young guy like you might be able to trace out the wiring by eye, with a little help from a continuity tester (cards out for this unless you have a "zero current" tester) and a probe to displace wiring that is obscuring your view. A better bet might be a "fox and hound" type device such as described on Aaron Nabil's "Tools and Tips" page: http://pdp-8.org/tools.html If you have any contact with the original owner, it would definitely be worth tracking down any information that you can dig up on the nature of the modifications, even if the detailed wiring changes are not documented, just to help you make sense of them and sort out what were customer changes and what might simply have been manufacturing differences and ECOs relative to the maintenance manual that you have. As mentioned by others, it would indeed be a good idea to pull all of the cards and clean the connectors. I would recommend labelling all of the cards first with their locations, and not assuming that cards of the same type are interchangeable. Some of the flip-chip cards may have trimpots or jumpers that are adjusted for their particular role. Good luck! --Bill From wmaddox at pacbell.net Sun Feb 8 07:10:58 2004 From: wmaddox at pacbell.net (William Maddox) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 References: <016701c3ee22$6c257a00$34b69fc3@ra3> Message-ID: <013e01c3ee44$fe7e9040$1000a8c0@winxpsp1a2100> BTW, any idea what became of the NORD-1? I just pulled up the following website: http://rallar.dynalias.com/sintran/history/history.html I can't read a word of Norwegian, but from the pictures, it appears that Norsk Data made quite a number of interesting machines from 1967 into recent years. --Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tore S Bekkedal" To: ; Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 ... > Also, an IPB (Inter-Processor Buffer) was made, > which connected it to a NORD-1, a not-quite-mini, not-quite-mainframe > machine. This has also, of course, been removed. ... From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Sun Feb 8 07:41:03 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: <1076244112.13760.7.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson > Sent: 08 February 2004 12:42 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: [OT] HTML usage... > > > When my firm sets up a site that has over a hundred pages (just > > counting the "static" content) and then client say "change these > > logos", "move the tool bar from the top to the left", or > other quite > > common changes, we would quickly go broke if we decided top > open each > > of the pages and manually modify the HTML. > > Ok, I know nothing about Dreamweaver - but to make changes > like you mention, won't any content management system worth > its salt just let you check out the revelvant template from > the database, edit it in whatever your favourite HTML editor > is, then check it back in? I don't even need to do that these days - after going through the 'bugger, I've got to change 140 pages here' stage last year I standardised on a PHP frontend with CSS backend and top-down navigation for all my sites. Nowadays every page is standard and is generated from 4 files - header, menubar, content & footer. All text, titles, headers, paragraphs etc can be changed instantly by altering a single CSS attribute. Even the photo galleries and picture views are dynamically generated so no sweat to change things there either. If I do need to change something in each PHP file I can safely do it sitewide with 1 dialogue box. All hand coded using Dreamweaver's 'code view' because I like DW's file management and syntax colouring. DW doesn't support PHP per se (well, MX doesn't) other than the colouring so it's instantly obvious if I've missed off a semi-colon or not closed a tag properly. Older browsers are happy because there's nothing complicated for them to render; the only one I've found that can't display properly is an old browser for 68k macs that doesn't understand a
    is a line break so you just get a string of text. Can't remember its name.... Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sun Feb 8 07:46:39 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [OT] Screen resolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: btw: John, that is NOT a typo. I am running a dual monitor system with ViewSoncis P815's at that resolution. Between the two monitors I get the equivilany of 8 1024x768 resolution display areas. Since my development clustor consists of 5 physical machines, each running multiple virtual machines (VmWare), it is a great replacement to having 8-10 individual monitors. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Lawson Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 12:32 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: Computer Collectors List - update This is getting a bit off-topic, excuse this retarded person's drooling: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, David V. Corbin wrote: > >>> hmmmm - to my browser (IE6) it's a nice light blue text on black.... > > Try setting your monitor to 2048x1536 resolution and viewing the page! The ^^^^^^^^^ Ah - I can't. IBM Thinkpad Laptop = fixed display res. I'm using a 21" tube here at home that stays on the desk, but I'm stuck with one resolution. That explains it... Thanks! Cheers John From lbickley at bickleywest.com Sun Feb 8 08:58:46 2004 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <013001c3ee43$9f7f5e90$1000a8c0@winxpsp1a2100> References: <016701c3ee22$6c257a00$34b69fc3@ra3> <013001c3ee43$9f7f5e90$1000a8c0@winxpsp1a2100> Message-ID: <200402080658.46079.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Excellent advice... Lyle On Sunday 08 February 2004 05:01, William Maddox wrote: > Tore, > > If I understand you correctly, you are saying that major subsystems were > added to the CPU and wired into the backplane by a former user, who removed > these components without regard to its effect on the operability of the > machine before you came into possession of it. That wouldn't surprise me > at all. Many academic and lab shops did extensive custom modifications, > like the famous BBN paging box on the Tenex KA-10s. > > If this is the case, then clearly you've got your work cut out for you. I > would caution you against assuming that the maintenance manual is complete > and accurate for your machine. These machines went through multiple > revisions and field ECOs during their lifetime. There was a set of field > maintenance prints issued for the specific revision that a customer had, > which was then kept up to date with the machine. (At least this is true of > the Straight-8 of similar vintage.) It is even possible that you will not > have exactly the same cards as documented in the manual, so certainly check > this before pulling any wires loose! Consider an ECO that requires an > extra gate or two, for example. > > I think the most prudent course of action would be to leave the existing > wiring in place for now, but to carefully trace out what modifications > were made and note what wiring has been added and removed. The pictures of > the machine show some wiring of a different color -- frequently new wire > added during customer modifications or ECOs would be a different color > precisely to make it easier to identify, so you might want to see if that > theory checks out for your machine. Once you understand the nature of the > modifications in detail, then you can undo them. Wire-wrapping is tedious, > so you might as well avoid as much of it as you can. A young guy like you > might be able to trace out the wiring by eye, with a little help from a > continuity tester (cards out for this unless you have a "zero current" > tester) and a probe to displace wiring that is obscuring your view. A > better bet might be a "fox and hound" type device such as described on > Aaron Nabil's "Tools and Tips" page: http://pdp-8.org/tools.html If you > have any contact with the original owner, it would definitely be worth > tracking down any information that you can dig up on the nature of the > modifications, even if the detailed wiring changes are not documented, just > to help you make sense of them and sort out what were customer changes and > what might simply have been manufacturing differences and ECOs relative to > the maintenance manual that you have. > > As mentioned by others, it would indeed be a good idea to pull all of the > cards and clean the connectors. I would recommend labelling all of the > cards first with their locations, and not assuming that cards of the same > type are interchangeable. Some of the flip-chip cards may have trimpots or > jumpers that are adjusted for their particular role. > > Good luck! > > --Bill -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From djg at pdp8.net Sun Feb 8 10:32:49 2004 From: djg at pdp8.net (djg@pdp8.net) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Box o' Parts --- ASR 33.. (David V. Corbin) Message-ID: <200402081632.i18GWnu23946@user-119apiu.biz.mindspring.com> From: "David V. Corbin" >What would really help if there were some good "exploded" mechanicals >available. For example 3 of the keys have come completely loose on the >keyboard. Figuring out where they hook back in and to which parts is not (at >least to me) simple! > Did you see the three Bulletin manuals in http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8cgi/query_docs/query.pl?Search=teletype They have exploded diagrams. See secton *-121-* in each of the three manuals. From: "O. Sharp" >Teletype put out some very good maintenance manuals for the ASR-33, which >had (among other things) very extensive exploded views. _Very_ extensive. >Probably more extensive than you want. :) I haven't found a set online, >unfortunately, but if you keep an eye on ePay they seem to turn up >every couple of weeks (sometimes the actual manuals, more often a copy >which is scanned and then burned to CD). > The link above has these manuals. I wonder if they are selling my scans or did their own. David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights Have any PDP-8 stuff you're willing to part with? From dvcorbin at optonline.net Sun Feb 8 11:13:40 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Box o' Parts --- ASR 33.. (David V. Corbin) In-Reply-To: <200402081632.i18GWnu23946@user-119apiu.biz.mindspring.com> Message-ID: >>>Did you see the three Bulletin manuals in..... They are exactly what I was looking for! The funny part is I did download and print 11x17 copies of all of the schematics, but was brain dead and missed the Service Bulletins! Thanks again! From vcf at siconic.com Sun Feb 8 11:40:17 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: <20040208114317.GA16600@mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Alexander Schreiber wrote: > Have you never heard of template processors? There are tons of them out > there (you could probably even abuse cpp) and if you don't like any of > them, a custom one could be whipped up with a few lines of Perl/Python > or whatever language you prefer. So you make the logos a defined value, > change the replacement rule for it and fed your source through the > preprocessor again. Gosh, Guys. David said his company has been doing web design for 10 years. You could probably assume that they've seen every technology and method for designing and implementing web pages there are and are probably using them as well. I think the folks who've responded so far read way too much into what David said. So anyway, yes, we're all HTML geniuses around here, but the discussion is kinda lame. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From marvin at rain.org Sun Feb 8 11:45:38 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: UCC 1035 Terminal Message-ID: <402675C2.5E13F883@rain.org> In cleaning out some stuff, I ran across a UCC 1035 Terminal (printer w/ keyboard) A quick Google check didn't bring up anything about this. Is this something worth saving, or should it hit the dumpster? From jpl15 at panix.com Sun Feb 8 11:47:48 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: [OT] HTML usage... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > So anyway, yes, we're all HTML geniuses around here, but the discussion is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that dont meen us retarded peeple, huh? jOhN From gerold.pauler at gmx.net Sun Feb 8 12:45:34 2004 From: gerold.pauler at gmx.net (Gerold Pauler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: UCC 1035 Terminal References: <402675C2.5E13F883@rain.org> Message-ID: <402683CE.8060600@gmx.net> Marvin Johnston wrote: > In cleaning out some stuff, I ran across a UCC 1035 Terminal (printer w/ > keyboard) A quick Google check didn't bring up anything about this. Is > this something worth saving, or should it hit the dumpster? This could be some sort of teletype. Cause many ASR33 have a UCC6 (call control unit). Does it look like an ASR35? Or am I completely wrong? Gerold From evan947 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 8 12:51:59 2004 From: evan947 at yahoo.com (evan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Interesting NY Times story... Message-ID: <20040208185159.24041.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> >>>>> February 1, 2004, Sunday Radio Days or High-Tech, It's All the Same By NEIL GENZLINGER THOSE of you who are still hoping that computers, cellphones, digital cameras and other modern gadgetry are passing fads and that we will soon return to the simpler days of a half-century ago might have been dismayed with what Phil Vourtsis had on display at the David Sarnoff Library the other day. The event was a combination exhibition and radio-repair clinic, with members of the New Jersey Antique Radio Club doing the honors. Mr. Vourtsis, the club's president and the author of ''The Fabulous Victrola 45,'' had a display related to the dear departed 45-r.p.m. record that was fascinating and hilarious, but also depressing. The hilarity came from a 1949 promotional film in which an impossibly earnest fellow was extolling the virtues of this new way to listen to music. ''Distortion-free records!'' he exclaimed. And indestructible. ''Bend 'em, bounce 'em; nothing happens!'' The depressing part was Mr. Vourtsis' sampling of newspaper articles from the period. It turns out the innocent little 45 wasn't so innocent after all; it was part of a war between RCA-Victor (which made many of its breakthroughs at labs in New Jersey) and Columbia for the ears of America. The new 45 from RCA was competing with a seven-inch disc Columbia had just introduced as well as Columbia's LP's, and all were different from older-style records - different speeds, different needles, different players. ''The record-playing public,'' read one account, ''which buys from 200,000,000 to 300,000,000 new disks a year, is faced with three mutually exclusive methods of reproducing music from records. Neither of the two new records can be played on conventional phonographs or radio-phonographs, nor can either be used on competing record-playing machines.'' It sounded, in other words, dismayingly like the technological warfare that bedevils us today: VCR's vs. assorted types of DVD's, CD's vs. MP3's, Windows vs. Macs, attachments that won't open, digital cameras that won't download. Evidently there never really was a simpler time; products have always tried to push one another out of the marketplace, and frustrated consumers have always been left to play catch-up. ''Only today the turnaround on a product is much faster,'' Mr. Vourtsis said. His club (www.njarc.org) has about 200 members, and watching them have fun with antique radios and other ancient technology makes you wonder what people will be doing a few decades hence with old cellphones. (Notice how primitive the ones from the 90's already look?) Lately, for instance, they've been having a contest to see who can pick up the most distant radio signal on a vintage receiver. When conditions are right, noise from Chicago or Canada or Mexico might squawk through the classic sets. At the Sarnoff event, in Princeton, the club's experts ran a repair clinic where people could bring old radios for free doctoring. Some who brought in sick sets were fellow hobbyists, but others were hoping to revive a personal keepsake. A lot of old radios are being unearthed these days in New Jersey and everywhere else as the radio-crazy generation dies off and its offspring inherit attics full of stuff. Mr. Vourtsis said that at first the repair clinics were just for club members, but then it seemed there might be laymen out there in need of vacuum-tube and soldering-gun assistance. ''It's pretty rewarding when we're able to help them out because they feel like they've reconnected with something from their childhood,'' he said. Certain radios can be worth thousands of dollars, he said, though many more models were just as mass-produced as anything today and are worth less than a first-generation digital camera. Also, some antique sets might prefer to remain idle. For instance, someone once brought in an Emerson Catalin that gave Mr. Vourtsis pause. ''It was the kind of thing where I really didn't want to get the radio working again because heat from the radio could damage the cabinet,'' he said, ''and with the Catalin that's where the value is.'' One other booth from the Sarnoff event is worth mentioning, what with Valentine's Day not far off. It was a display of valentines, sheet music and such with radio themes, from the days when radio was new. ''There's a Wireless Station Down in My Heart,'' was one song title. A card read, ''Over the radio you can hear me pine, I want you for my Valentine.'' Apparently, linking romantic sentiments to the high-tech device of the moment gives them extra credibility. So here's an assignment for the season: Use the words iPod, memory stick, mini-DVD and MP3 in a love poem. Give it to your sweetie. Then duck. From aek at spies.com Sun Feb 8 13:38:34 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 Message-ID: <200402081938.i18JcYPp018933@spies.com> I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that it would be impossible to re-wire a PDP-7, especially since someone or something (was it done in an automated fashion at the factory?) had to do it to begin with. -- I'm in a betting mood... I will wager $1000 USD that this machine won't be operational (running all existing diagnostics or at least the CPU/memory/DECtape tests) by this time next year. FWIW the wire wrap bit and unwrapper is larger than the std #28/#30 since the pins on first generation flip chips were rectangular. From SUPRDAVE at aol.com Sun Feb 8 13:38:13 2004 From: SUPRDAVE at aol.com (SUPRDAVE@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: More old software available Message-ID: Complete packages as far as I know. They can be shipped media rate to keep costs low. Powersoft powerbuilder desktop 3.0 Netware lite/DRDOS 6.0 Harvard Graphics 1.03 Map Master by Decision Resources Groupwise 4.1 IBM PC 3270 emulation program still shrinkwrapped Asymetrix toolbook versions 1.52 and 3.0 Freelance graphics for DOS 4.0 you can pay for shipping via paypal -- I am not willing to give up my liberties for the appearance of 'security' From marvin at rain.org Sun Feb 8 13:46:58 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: UCC 1035 Terminal References: <402675C2.5E13F883@rain.org> <402683CE.8060600@gmx.net> Message-ID: <40269232.442AD8BB@rain.org> It looks like this could also have a data terminal attached to it. The print mechanism is a ball, and I guess it could be a Selectric mechanism. My memory is gone :), and I don't recall what the ASR35 looks like. Gerold Pauler wrote: > > Marvin Johnston wrote: > > In cleaning out some stuff, I ran across a UCC 1035 Terminal (printer w/ > > keyboard) A quick Google check didn't bring up anything about this. Is > > this something worth saving, or should it hit the dumpster? > > This could be some sort of teletype. > Cause many ASR33 have a UCC6 (call control unit). > Does it look like an ASR35? Or am I completely wrong? > Gerold From bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca Sun Feb 8 13:47:41 2004 From: bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca (ben franchuk) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Computer Collectors List - update References: <00c401c3ee07$006f9400$0500fea9@game> Message-ID: <4026925D.4070605@jetnet.ab.ca> Teo Zenios wrote: > 2048x1536? Who the hell uses that on a regular basis at home? My inadequate > Sony 420GS 19" doesn't do more then 1600x1200, and I use 1280x1024 for all > browsing (nice to be able to see the text). What is the design resolution of > webpages these days? Who knows ?? Right now I have more problms with Java and flash and IE problems running Mozilla. 800 x 600 works fine for me. Anything larger the text is too small to read. From mrbill at mrbill.net Sun Feb 8 10:44:31 2004 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: DEC handbooks have been claimed. Message-ID: <20040208164431.GQ11563@mrbill.net> Someone bought (or will be buying) everything as a lot; I'm keeping a few of the handbooks where I have multiple copies and will be sending those to the particular people interested in those specific titles. Thanks, and I'm glad to see all this going to a good and proper home. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill@mrbill.net austin, texas From willisj at atlantis.clogic-int.com Sun Feb 8 16:24:30 2004 From: willisj at atlantis.clogic-int.com (John Willis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: More old software available In-Reply-To: from "SUPRDAVE@aol.com" at Feb "8, " 2004 "02:38:13" pm Message-ID: <200402082224.PAA15237@atlantis.clogic-int.com> are you selling this as a whole package or are you willing to part out? if so, I'm quite interested in the Asymetrix toolbook. -- John Willis UNIX Systems Administrator Associate Lockheed Martin IS&S CEO and Co-Founder Coherent Logic Development http://www.coherent-logic.com/ willisj@atlantis.clogic-int.com From gerold.pauler at gmx.net Sun Feb 8 17:12:44 2004 From: gerold.pauler at gmx.net (Gerold Pauler) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: HP ASR33 reader run control References: <200402081938.i18JcYPp018933@spies.com> Message-ID: <4026C26C.9070004@gmx.net> Hello, after all I managed to update the schematics of the reader run control of my ASR33 Teletype from HP. I also put a schematic of the RSR232 to 20 mA current loop converter that I am using online. And I have updated the teletype portion of my website. Now I "only" have to clean up the scanned copies of the Geveke schematics with photoshop to make them more readable and then put them in nice pdf files. If interested take a look at http://pdp8.de/en Gerold From mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Sun Feb 8 18:04:07 2004 From: mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (der Mouse) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <013e01c3ee44$fe7e9040$1000a8c0@winxpsp1a2100> References: <016701c3ee22$6c257a00$34b69fc3@ra3> <013e01c3ee44$fe7e9040$1000a8c0@winxpsp1a2100> Message-ID: <200402090018.TAA27982@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> > http://rallar.dynalias.com/sintran/history/history.html > I can't read a word of Norwegian, but from the pictures, it appears > that Norsk Data made quite a number of interesting machines from 1967 > into recent years. I have some minimal competence in Norwegian (I lived in Troms? for six months and made an effort to pick up what I could, and have continued practicing it when I could since returning). I'm not good enough to translate the whole thing without taking quite a long time at it (I still need to look up typically a word or two per sentence), but if there's anything in particular you'd like to ask me to translate, I can have a stab at it. (Of course, we quite likely have Scandanavians here who are far more competent to translate from Norwegian than I.) I do see one fragment I find hilarious [the " kule" bits are presumably image alt= tags; gul=yellow, gr?nn=green, kule=bullet/sphere]: 1996 Gul kule Intel lanserer 200MHz Pentium Pro. Gr?nn kule Microsoft kommer med versjon 4.0 av Windows Nintendo Technoligy (NT). Nintendo Technology is _easily_ the best expansion of NT I've ever seen. (That last sentence is, fairly literally, "Green bullet Microsoft comes with version 4.0 of Windows Nintendo Technology (NT)".) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From lbickley at bickleywest.com Sun Feb 8 18:19:33 2004 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Great "donation" from a friend... Message-ID: <200402081619.33820.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Several years ago I lent a friend an ADM-3 Terminal he needed for a project. Yesterday he gave it back to me - along with "interest" ;-) Here's the goodies he gave me: IMSAI 8080 (with a perfect front panel) IMSAI 8080 (with video console) Digital Microsystems DSC-2 TEI S-100 bus system Godbout S-100 Dual Chassis system w/HDD Poly88 (Original "orange" chassis, keyboard, etc.) FDE S-100 system (not a complete name - it just escapes me at the moment) (2) Spare Shugart (SA800) - one is brand new in original box Spare chips, ROMS, etc. Literally hundreds of 8" CP/M disks Documentation on all of the above Thanks, Dave, for all the goodies!!!! Lyle -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From jpl15 at panix.com Sun Feb 8 18:30:35 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Great "donation" from a friend... In-Reply-To: <200402081619.33820.lbickley@bickleywest.com> References: <200402081619.33820.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Message-ID: SSSSSSCCCOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRE!!!!!!!!!!! Woo Hoo To You! Good job - may it bring you hours of retro-joy. Cheers John From dwight.elvey at amd.com Sun Feb 8 19:04:05 2004 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: data i/o 19 Message-ID: <200402090104.RAA08144@clulw009.amd.com> Hi Al I have the manuals for the data i/o in my car. Are you expecting to be at Vito's on Monday night and if so, at what time? Dwight From dwight.elvey at amd.com Sun Feb 8 19:12:06 2004 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: data i/o 19 Message-ID: <200402090112.RAA08152@clulw009.amd.com> Oops! this was for Al Kossow. Sorry about that. Dwight >From: "Dwight K. Elvey" >Hi Al > I have the manuals for the data i/o in my car. Are you >expecting to be at Vito's on Monday night and if so, >at what time? >Dwight > > > From marvin at rain.org Sun Feb 8 19:36:34 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: DOS 3.x, etc. Message-ID: <4026E422.E86BAC23@rain.org> My BIL is getting rid of some older stuff, and has about 20 copies of DOS 3.x. Anyone interested? Also, we about half filled up a dumpster with old mono, cga, ega, vga monitors and printers, along with some other ... stuff. Hardly a dent in all the stuff here, but at least it is a start :). There is still about 1/3 of the space left in the dumpster and the project for the next day is to fill it! I found several Wang monitors, another NS Horizon, more IBM mono, CGA, and PGA monitors, some NIB TI floppy disks, bunches of PC cards, another ADM3, and a bunch of other stuff I hadn't seen in a while. This actually gets to be fun seeing this stuff again ... almost like finding it out in the wild :). From SUPRDAVE at aol.com Sun Feb 8 19:40:13 2004 From: SUPRDAVE at aol.com (SUPRDAVE@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: More old software available Message-ID: <97.43cb9eea.2d583efd@aol.com> In a message dated 2/8/2004 5:53:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, willisj@atlantis.clogic-int.com writes: are you selling this as a whole package or are you willing to part out? if so, I'm quite interested in the Asymetrix toolbook. I'm selling it singled out. what version of toolbook? -- I am not willing to give up my liberties for the appearance of 'security' From curt at atarimuseum.com Sun Feb 8 20:08:06 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Great "donation" from a friend... In-Reply-To: <200402081619.33820.lbickley@bickleywest.com> References: <200402081619.33820.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Message-ID: <4026EB86.9030207@atarimuseum.com> Nice going Lyle!!! Man you can't get that kind of return from the Stock Market!!! ;-) Curt Lyle Bickley wrote: >Several years ago I lent a friend an ADM-3 Terminal he needed for a project. >Yesterday he gave it back to me - along with "interest" ;-) > >Here's the goodies he gave me: > >IMSAI 8080 (with a perfect front panel) >IMSAI 8080 (with video console) >Digital Microsystems DSC-2 >TEI S-100 bus system >Godbout S-100 Dual Chassis system w/HDD >Poly88 (Original "orange" chassis, keyboard, etc.) >FDE S-100 system (not a complete name - it just escapes me at the moment) >(2) Spare Shugart (SA800) - one is brand new in original box >Spare chips, ROMS, etc. >Literally hundreds of 8" CP/M disks >Documentation on all of the above > >Thanks, Dave, for all the goodies!!!! > >Lyle > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From vcf at siconic.com Sun Feb 8 20:19:17 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <200402081938.i18JcYPp018933@spies.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Al Kossow wrote: > I'm in a betting mood... > > I will wager $1000 USD that this machine won't be operational (running all > existing diagnostics or at least the CPU/memory/DECtape tests) by this time > next year. Well, that depends on a lot of factors. Is this assuming the machine will be re-wired completely, or assume Tore will just try to fix it as is? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From pat at computer-refuge.org Sun Feb 8 20:34:43 2004 From: pat at computer-refuge.org (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Amiga VideoToaster news Message-ID: <200402082134.43560.pat@computer-refuge.org> For those of you that have/use/care about NewTek's Amiga Video Toaster, and don't read slashdot, NewTek has release the source to most of the software. For more info: http://www.openvideotoaster.org/ Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From lbickley at bickleywest.com Sun Feb 8 20:51:17 2004 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Amiga VideoToaster news In-Reply-To: <200402082134.43560.pat@computer-refuge.org> References: <200402082134.43560.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: <200402081851.17937.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Thanks, this is really good news! Lyle On Sunday 08 February 2004 18:34, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > For those of you that have/use/care about NewTek's Amiga Video Toaster, > and don't read slashdot, NewTek has release the source to most of the > software. For more info: > http://www.openvideotoaster.org/ > > Pat -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From cisin at xenosoft.com Sun Feb 8 20:52:49 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: DOS 3.x, etc. In-Reply-To: <4026E422.E86BAC23@rain.org> References: <4026E422.E86BAC23@rain.org> Message-ID: <20040208185005.Q95410@newshell.lmi.net> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jay West wrote: > I have an IBM PC 5150 system unit and keyboard. . . . > Here's the deal: I'd like someday to find an authentic IBM brand > monitor for this. However, I'm not sure if it is mono, CGA, or EGA, On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Marvin Johnston wrote: > Also, we about half filled up a dumpster with old mono, cga, ega, vga > monitors and printers, along with some other ... stuff. Hardly a dent in You two should talk. From dickset at amanda.spole.gov Sun Feb 8 15:03:23 2004 From: dickset at amanda.spole.gov (Ethan Dicks) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <200402081938.i18JcYPp018933@spies.com> References: <200402081938.i18JcYPp018933@spies.com> Message-ID: <20040208210323.GB4400@bos7.spole.gov> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 11:38:34AM -0800, Al Kossow wrote: > I will wager $1000 USD that this machine won't be operational (running all > existing diagnostics or at least the CPU/memory/DECtape tests) by this time > next year. Hmm... $0.50 or $1 per hour to prove you wrong? If it were my machine, I might even take you up on that bet. Not a sure thing, though. > FWIW the wire wrap bit and unwrapper is larger than the std #28/#30 since > the pins on first generation flip chips were rectangular. Good point. When I get home, I hope to be working on some stuff of this nature (if I can't find a PT08, I'll have to build one; I have a PA60 that nobody seems to know ever existed that would make a nice platform). I've also thought about a non-rotating (reversible) mod to a DF32 since I'm pretty sure my platters are screwed. At this point, all I can do is plan; I don't have WW tools for the older backplanes. Also, for a seperate project (peripherals for an -8/L), does anyone know if it's still possible to find any of the bus strip for DEC backplanes. They used to sell it on a roll - it had alternating large and small holes so you could, for example, tie all the A1 pins successive slots together (the version for the older, single-sided backplane was simpler, just a bunch of sequential square holes in a line). I've thought about what it would take to build a stamping machine to crank it out of something soft like ribbon copper (then tin it), but my machining skills are much too primitive. Any suggestions on finding/making bus strip? -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 08-Feb-2004 20:52 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -37.7 F (-38.7 C) Windchill -69.09 F (-56.2 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 9 kts Grid 067 Barometer 687.8 mb (10333. ft) Ethan.Dicks@amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html From tomj at wps.com Sun Feb 8 21:36:55 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076297087.2722.55.camel@fiche> On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 15:49, David V. Corbin wrote: > John, > > Are you referring to: > > 1) manual (non-powered wire-wrap tools) > 2) electric wire-wriap guns > 3) CNC semi automated wire-wrap systems > 4) retired job shoppers proficient in wire wrapping (especially high > density). I'm hardly expert, but I've done it. The art of wirewrapping revolves around one basic principle: NEVER CHANGE LEVELS! eg. posts will accept 2, 3 or 4 wraps per post. When you wrap on a post, if it's the first (bottom) wrap, the other end of the wire must be the first (bottom) wrap. If you are wiring a buss, or a daisy-chained line like a clock, you do it thusly: | | | | | z.......z z.......z z.... . . z z......z z.......z The reason: rework. You'll rediscover all the First Principles if you have to rework/repair/modify something done wrong. THere's a variation in wirewrap gun types, the fist turn is with/without insulation. I've only done prototype stuff that does the turn of wire-plus-insulation, for added strength. > > If item 3 or 4, pleas let me know...(I already have #1 and #2) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Willis > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 4:46 PM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 > > > I have a bunch of wire wrappers and the wires to > go with them. > > > > -- > John Willis > UNIX Systems Administrator Associate > Lockheed Martin IS&S > > CEO and Co-Founder > Coherent Logic Development > http://www.coherent-logic.com/ > > willisj@atlantis.clogic-int.com > > From tomj at wps.com Sun Feb 8 21:40:22 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <004f01c3eddd$b2eae640$4201d1ac@aoldsl.net> References: <20040207214003.61028.qmail@web60710.mail.yahoo.com> <004f01c3eddd$b2eae640$4201d1ac@aoldsl.net> Message-ID: <1076297295.2722.59.camel@fiche> On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 16:51, Ed Sharpe wrote: > might try to get one of the power wire wrappers..... > > makes life go faster.... Oh absolutely! AC powered. The battery ones are OK if the batteries are new, but charge fades with use and your wrap quality drops. That really sucks. The cord is a nuisance, but less so than loose wraps! You're bringing back painful memories, stop the torture! > > ed sharpe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SHAUN RIPLEY" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 > > > > > > --- Tore S Bekkedal wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > > > I sent an email about a month or two back to Al > > > Kossow saying that I was starting work on the PDP-7 > > > again. With ungodly timing I proceeded to come down > > > with the flu, travel abroad, and move. So here I am > > > again. ;) > > > I have come to the conclusion after some > > > wire-tracing and so on, that this machine is smoking > > > crack, and that very little is where it should be > > > (except for core memory, everything seems right > > > there). The processor has been modified ad nauseum, > > > of course without documentation of any kind. > > > > > > Therefore, I need to take out all the modules, all > > > the wires, and start afresh (might be a good idea, > > > anyway - - this way I can clean all the contacts > > > properly). Thus, I need a wire-wrapping tool. Does > > > anyone here have one? > > I know a guy who has a set. He asked $100. I can send > > him email to contact you if you are interested. > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > -tsb > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > > From tomj at wps.com Sun Feb 8 21:51:49 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <20040208034746.GB10412@bos7.spole.gov> References: <200402080058.i180w3D0030289@spies.com> <20040208034746.GB10412@bos7.spole.gov> Message-ID: <1076297981.2720.70.camel@fiche> I also agree it's a bad idea to strip. I meant to mention earlier, and it's pointful here, is that a large part of the art of wirewrapping is in the wrap schedule/wiring diagram. We used to spend WEEKS on that part alone. There's a VAST amount of knowledge buried in there. If you ahve wrap wiring schedule then maybe, but armed with just schematics, it's a task likely to fail. There's actual subtlety in there. >From experience: *** Wirewrap is an unreliable technology. It relied on a mechanical system to produce a gas-tight metal-to-metal seal, with dissimilar metals, fraught with difficulty. If exposed to large tmperature swings, especially over long periods of time, gas-tight is becomes not, and resistance/impedance becomes erratic, and that matt of wire becomes a nightmare. Wirewraps killed my old Varian 622/I (18-bit) machine in the 80's. Wirewrap is/was a prototype technology, applied to low-run production. This stuff didn't have to live forever, and generally didn't. *** BE WARNED that posts once-wire-wrapped, are not as reliable as new ones! The rely on the sharp, square edge for that gas-tight connection. Once wrapped, the edge is damaged. Used wirewrap posts are unreliable. If there are no more than two levels used, you could solder each post, but that woudl be unbelievably tedious and damage-prone. More than two, and you probably couldn't get a soldering in there. For bringing up the PDP-7, I'd concentrate on functional areas, if possible. If you end up removing a wire or two I'd even go so far as preserve paths and levels and wire guage. tomj On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 19:47, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 04:58:03PM -0800, Al Kossow wrote: > In response to: > > Therefore, I need to take out all the modules, all the wires, and > > start afresh > > > > This is a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad idea. > > > > It is hightly doubtful that someone completely rewired the backplane > > of this system. > > > > If you start ripping out wires, there is 0% chance this system will > > ever run again. > > I have to agree. I did this a long time ago to a damaged PDP-8/L (broken > wires, broken enclosure, missing front-plex and broken front panel...) > > At the time, I had two and had _no_ prints. I still have the net-list I > made from dismantling it (but it's of no value now that I have real PDP-8/L > prints). > > I wish I hadn't done it now and I can only plead youth and ignorance (I was > 16 when I got the pair of -8/Ls). > > The point of this is to say that completely stripping the backplane is > probably a one-way activity. Documenting and removing the cards and > cleaning the slots (with a sliver of manila folder soaked in isopropanol) > on the other hand, is a good idea. That is entirely reversible. > > -ethan From aw288 at osfn.org Sun Feb 8 21:41:04 2004 From: aw288 at osfn.org (William Donzelli) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <20040208210323.GB4400@bos7.spole.gov> Message-ID: > Any suggestions on finding/making bus strip? I would etch new ones from brass then plate them (tin or whatever). I think making tooling would be a bit of a pain, and not worth the effort. William Donzelli aw288@osfn.org From tomj at wps.com Sun Feb 8 21:56:48 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <016701c3ee22$6c257a00$34b69fc3@ra3> References: <016701c3ee22$6c257a00$34b69fc3@ra3> Message-ID: <1076298281.2720.74.camel@fiche> On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 01:03, Tore S Bekkedal wrote: t I have no choice. The processor was modified with an improvised > API, and half of this was later removed (leaving the processor useless) Well there you go! :-) > I have complete documentation of the wires, and of module locations, > they are all documented clearly in F-77 Maintenance Manual (which > you have on your site). They are easy to read, and give a complete > schematic of both the backplane, and the module locations. If you have the wirewrap schedule, then you have a decent chance. Maybe consider some sort of treatment for the posts? Deoxide? (My old Varian came with one for some reason. It could be wired as a 16-bit or 18-bit machine by changing some dozen or 100 wires. The cards were 6-bit slices of DTL and early TTL.) From tomj at wps.com Sun Feb 8 22:00:57 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <200402081938.i18JcYPp018933@spies.com> References: <200402081938.i18JcYPp018933@spies.com> Message-ID: <1076298529.2722.76.camel@fiche> #20 wirewrap was also common, just not on high-density stuff. On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 11:38, Al Kossow wrote: > FWIW the wire wrap bit and unwrapper is larger than the std #28/#30 since > the pins on first generation flip chips were rectangular. From jwest at classiccmp.org Sun Feb 8 22:27:29 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: DOS 3.x, etc. References: <4026E422.E86BAC23@rain.org> <20040208185005.Q95410@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <002201c3eec5$07695f20$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> yeah, no doubt. I posted publicly a while back, but sounds like they already hit the dumpster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Cisin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: DOS 3.x, etc. > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jay West wrote: > > I have an IBM PC 5150 system unit and keyboard. . . . > > Here's the deal: I'd like someday to find an authentic IBM brand > > monitor for this. However, I'm not sure if it is mono, CGA, or EGA, > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > Also, we about half filled up a dumpster with old mono, cga, ega, vga > > monitors and printers, along with some other ... stuff. Hardly a dent in > > You two should talk. > > From SUPRDAVE at aol.com Sun Feb 8 22:46:08 2004 From: SUPRDAVE at aol.com (SUPRDAVE@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Compaq portable III available Message-ID: <2b.50761d76.2d586a90@aol.com> Worked fine several years ago, but now posts a 201 error and screen distortion in the corner. Has one floppy and one hard drive. In good shape, looks like it got dropped on a corner before the time I got it. $3 gets it. -- I am not willing to give up my liberties for the appearance of 'security' From marvin at rain.org Sun Feb 8 22:56:19 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: DOS 3.x, etc. References: <4026E422.E86BAC23@rain.org> <20040208185005.Q95410@newshell.lmi.net> <002201c3eec5$07695f20$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> Message-ID: <402712F3.A4F2EFCA@rain.org> To clarify, the monitors that hit the dumpster were what I consider to be no-name monitors (Samsung, Princeton, Goldstar, etc.) and same with the printers. I kept the IBM and a few other monitors that go with systems (Compaq, Wang.) There is also a good possibility that Sellam has a nice selection of older monitors through the business. The stuff I am getting rid of is stuff that is still pretty much readily available, and hence (to me anyway), worthless. Jay West wrote: > > yeah, no doubt. I posted publicly a while back, but sounds like they already > hit the dumpster > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Cisin" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: DOS 3.x, etc. > > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jay West wrote: > > > I have an IBM PC 5150 system unit and keyboard. . . . > > > Here's the deal: I'd like someday to find an authentic IBM brand > > > monitor for this. However, I'm not sure if it is mono, CGA, or EGA, > > > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > > Also, we about half filled up a dumpster with old mono, cga, ega, vga > > > monitors and printers, along with some other ... stuff. Hardly a dent in > > > > You two should talk. > > > > From wmaddox at pacbell.net Sun Feb 8 23:56:47 2004 From: wmaddox at pacbell.net (William Maddox) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Old PC video multimedia hardware (free) Message-ID: <005b01c3eed1$80f03fb0$1000a8c0@winxpsp1a2100> MediaVision Pro Movie Spectrum (ca. 1992-1993) ISA video capture and display card. Includes Microsoft Video for Windows 1.0 w/manual and Macromedia Action 2.5 Looks like the card was never used, but the software and box show some wear. Sigma Designs REALmagic Rave VLB graphics accelerator with MPEG playback hardware. Also have another S.D. card with no documentation that looks like the ISA version of the above. This stuff was dumped on me by a neighbor who is moving -- literally showed up on my doorstep. Free for the cost of shipping to anyone who wants it, otherwise, it goes to the recycler. --Bill From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 9 05:37:18 2004 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (Jules Richardson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:17 2005 Subject: Perq 2T1 display fault In-Reply-To: <20040208012233.GD21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> References: <1076196906.7064.303.camel@weka.localdomain> <20040208012233.GD21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: <1076325410.14901.20.camel@weka.localdomain> On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 01:22, R. D. Davis wrote: > Quothe Jules Richardson, from writings of Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at > 11:35:06PM +0000: > > > Got a Perq 2T1 with the KME 1514 portrait monitor - the display on the > > front of the unit gets as far as 999 on power-up so it's looking > > reasonably healthy. Only problem is an unstable display; it seems to be > > missing out every 4th or so scanline, plus there's some horizontal > > instability (I can see what appear to be characters on the display, but > > they aren't readable at all) > > One of my PERQ T2's had a similar problem years ago, but that was with > the 19" landscape Moniterm monitor. To solve the problem, I simply > replaced the PLL chip in the monitor. Hmm, there isn't a lot in the way of ICs in these monitors by the looks of it - I noticed an LS device which is presumably part of the sync separation circuitry, then there was a TDA1170 device on the board too. I seem to remember those are used in Microvitec CUB monitors and are prone to failure (I have some spares somewhere), but I can't remember what sort of symptoms they give when they fail. > Did you try reseating the boards or just letting the maching run for > hours and hours? Is the problem intermittent? yes, yes and no :-) It doesn't seem to be temperature-related anyway. At least the HV circuitry is still alive, so fingers crossed it's fixable... > > Oh, and if anyone's dishing out Perq wisdom there's also a Perq 1 with a > > display fault too - on that one the image is centered on the screen, but > > squashed into about 80% of the normal width, and maybe 10% of normal > > height. It's also very non-rectangular in nature. > > Never experienced that problem with my PERQ-1 systems... the only > major thing that ever went wrong with them were head crashes. :-( For > those not familiar with these machines, they had either SA4004 or > SA4008 14", 12MB and 24MB, hard drives... not easy to find > replacements for, alas. Yuck. Not sure how alive that one is. I can tell they're both going to be another couple of those headache machines where I can't work out how to back up the data ready for when the drives do eventually die :( We may have drive replacements for the Perq-1 in store, but I'm betting we don't have original install media... cheers Jules From gordonjcp at gjcp.net Mon Feb 9 04:16:20 2004 From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Perq 2T1 display fault In-Reply-To: <1076196906.7064.303.camel@weka.localdomain> References: <1076196906.7064.303.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: <1076321065.23764.13.camel@pluto> On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 23:35, Jules Richardson wrote: > Oh, and if anyone's dishing out Perq wisdom there's also a Perq 1 with a > display fault too - on that one the image is centered on the screen, but > squashed into about 80% of the normal width, and maybe 10% of normal > height. It's also very non-rectangular in nature. Monitor being fed too high a voltage? Too *low* a voltage to the scanning? Might just be out of adjustment - possibly someone's fiddled with all the trimmers. We used to call TVs in that condition "NICAM" sets, Nasty Intruder Caused Absolute Mayhem. Gordon. From pkoning at equallogic.com Mon Feb 9 08:16:12 2004 From: pkoning at equallogic.com (Paul Koning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 References: <200402081938.i18JcYPp018933@spies.com> <20040208210323.GB4400@bos7.spole.gov> Message-ID: <16423.38444.62000.137999@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Ethan" == Ethan Dicks writes: Ethan> .... I've also thought Ethan> about a non-rotating (reversible) mod to a DF32 since I'm Ethan> pretty sure my platters are screwed. If the heads are still good (not all that likely, but you can hope) then I believe you can just flip the platter. You would have to write new timing tracks, though, and finding the specs for that could be tricky. paul From pkoning at equallogic.com Mon Feb 9 08:20:07 2004 From: pkoning at equallogic.com (Paul Koning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 References: <1076297087.2722.55.camel@fiche> Message-ID: <16423.38679.781000.890876@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Jennings writes: Tom> THere's a variation in wirewrap gun types, the fist turn is Tom> with/without insulation. I've only done prototype stuff that Tom> does the turn of wire-plus-insulation, for added strength. Yes. If the first turn has insulation, it's called a "modified" wrap. The difference is in the wrap tool bit -- the bit for the modified wrap has a bore for the wire that accepts the insulation up to however far it needs to go to make that one wrap around. This means that you have to be careful to seat the wire fully into the bit. Modified wrap is stronger. The drawback is that it has more inductance. You'd want to look at the original work to see which was used and apply that to new work too. For high speed logic, modified wrap would be a bad idea. I suspect PDP-7s are not "high speed", and indeed I'm fairly sure that PDP-11s used modified wrap too. On the other hand, a University of Illinois project I've seen was done with ECL logic and standard wrap. (That was for Cyber add-on memory.) paul From brad at heeltoe.com Mon Feb 9 09:04:12 2004 From: brad at heeltoe.com (Brad Parker) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: box o'ISDN Message-ID: <200402091504.i19F4CP05657@mwave.heeltoe.com> This is not really vintage, but I have a box of ISDN "stuff" I'd like to get rid of. I post here in case anyone is interested. An nice TA (adtran), several ascend pipe-50's (2-3), cables, a clam, an NT-1, and an old 56k router box from Imatek. I'll willing to give it away (paypal postage, etc..). but just in case, I'd love to find any sort of unibus floppy interface, broken or otherwise. And unibus bus grant cards - could use a few of those :-) can't hurt to ask. (and if you have a spare 11/73... heh :-) -brad From jrkeys at concentric.net Mon Feb 9 09:27:41 2004 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: For Chip Collectors Message-ID: <005401c3ef21$43c52a60$77406b43@66067007> Check this auction, I have NOTHING to do with it or the parson selling. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2786033645&category=1247 From curt at atarimuseum.com Mon Feb 9 09:46:12 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: SIMH Help References: Message-ID: <000c01c3ef23$d827b2c0$1a02a8c0@starship1> Hi, I'm just trying out SIMH and I'm not quite familiar with the way it works. I've attached an image as an RL02 to the RL0 Unit, but where do I go from there to get it to be assigned something similar to what a real vax would have, normally my RL02's would come up as a DLA0: and so forth, I've been looking through the SIMH help, but I am missing something and I want to make the drive.img file accessible as a drive in SIMH so I can access its contents, thanks in advance for any help offered. RL, address=20001900-20001909, vector=270, 4 units RL0, 5242KW, attached to d:\rl02s\disk1.img, write enabled, RL02 RL1, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize RL2, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize RL3, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize Curt From jrkeys at concentric.net Mon Feb 9 09:47:14 2004 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Control Data Computer At $66.00 Message-ID: <005a01c3ef23$fe589d60$77406b43@66067007> Has anyone ever seen one of these ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2785574420&category=4193 From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 9 10:28:11 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Control Data Computer At $66.00 In-Reply-To: <005a01c3ef23$fe589d60$77406b43@66067007> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Keys wrote: > Has anyone ever seen one of these ? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2785574420&category=4193 Oh, very cool. I've never seen it before but basically it's a cheap terminal to the CDC Plato system which was fairly popular in from the mid-1970s through the early 1980s. Normally you had to have a fancy terminal to access all the advanced features of Plato. This is a TI 99/4a re-branded as CDC and sold with a terminal program carthridge to emulate a Plato terminal. Neat. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From esharpe at uswest.net Mon Feb 9 12:16:02 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (Ed Sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Control Data Computer At $66.00 References: Message-ID: <000b01c3ef38$c732ad20$ade681ac@aoldsl.net> remember there was also a cdc institute that would teach you to program too.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Control Data Computer At $66.00 > On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Keys wrote: > > > Has anyone ever seen one of these ? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2785574420&category=4193 > > Oh, very cool. > > I've never seen it before but basically it's a cheap terminal to the CDC > Plato system which was fairly popular in from the mid-1970s through the > early 1980s. Normally you had to have a fancy terminal to access all the > advanced features of Plato. This is a TI 99/4a re-branded as CDC and sold > with a terminal program carthridge to emulate a Plato terminal. > > Neat. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > > > From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 9 11:15:32 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: FYI Message-ID: I finally implemented SpamAssassin on VCF e-mail accounts after trialing it with a personal account for about a month. I've gone from something like 200+ spams a day to almost none. My personal account has done similarly well though after a while the spam count started creeping back up, but its still at a very manageable level. Instead of having to wade through hundreds of spams every 2-3 days when I would check that account, it's now maybe 10-15. Question: has anyone been able to make SpamAssassin be "perfect" (i.e. no spam at all)? Anyway, the reason for this message, other than to claim (for now) victory against spam, is to let people know that if they do have trouble contacting me for some reason, it may be because SpamAssassin is equating your message with spam. If so, please page me here in the mailing list or you can send me a message via the VCF contact page: http://www.vintage.org/contact.php I LOVE SPAMASSASSIN!!! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From esharpe at uswest.net Mon Feb 9 12:18:40 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (Ed Sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: For Chip Collectors References: <005401c3ef21$43c52a60$77406b43@66067007> Message-ID: <001701c3ef39$24dc5660$ade681ac@aoldsl.net> neat group.... if some kind soul out there has a 4004 and an 8008 microprocessor thaey would be willing to share, sell or barter let us know... Thanks! Ed Sharpe Archivist for SMECC See the Southwest Museum of Engineering, Communications and Computation online at: http://www.smecc.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keys" To: "cctalk@classiccmp" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:27 AM Subject: For Chip Collectors > Check this auction, I have NOTHING to do with it or the parson selling. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2786033645&category=1247 > > From jcwren at jcwren.com Mon Feb 9 11:23:35 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Control Data Computer At $66.00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4027C217.3050104@jcwren.com> His fonts aren't large enough. There's still a few pixels available on my monitor. --jc Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Keys wrote: > > > >>Has anyone ever seen one of these ? >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2785574420&category=4193 >> >> > >Oh, very cool. > >I've never seen it before but basically it's a cheap terminal to the CDC >Plato system which was fairly popular in from the mid-1970s through the >early 1980s. Normally you had to have a fancy terminal to access all the >advanced features of Plato. This is a TI 99/4a re-branded as CDC and sold >with a terminal program carthridge to emulate a Plato terminal. > >Neat. > > > From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 9 11:27:52 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Interesting NY Times story... In-Reply-To: <20040208185159.24041.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, evan wrote: > His club (www.njarc.org) has about 200 members, and > watching them have fun with antique radios and other > ancient technology makes you wonder what people will > be doing a few decades hence with old cellphones. > (Notice how primitive the ones from the 90's already > look?) Lately, for instance, they've been having a > contest to see who can pick up the most distant radio > signal on a vintage receiver. When conditions are > right, noise from Chicago or Canada or Mexico might > squawk through the classic sets. I don't know, will there be parallels like this in the future with modern gadgets? Stuff today is so inaccessible from a retroist point of view. The cellular networks 50-75 years from now probably won't support what we use today, and unless cellular towers will be cheap, abundant, and easy to store in our garage, we probably won't be setting up our own networks to see how far we can call for fun. Even then, will this stuff be kept around like surplus military gear was, or will it be recycled into future products? Will it even work? Stuff from the past was meant to last, while stuff we make now is made to break in a year or less so we will be forced to "upgrade" (a euphemsism for spending more money needlessly). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From curt at atarimuseum.com Mon Feb 9 11:32:02 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Control Data Computer At $66.00 In-Reply-To: <4027C217.3050104@jcwren.com> References: <4027C217.3050104@jcwren.com> Message-ID: <4027C412.3040200@atarimuseum.com> Atari actually hired in a bunch of former CDC managers, they released a Plato Network cartridge for the Atari 800. It used the graphics mode 8 (192X320) mode and I remember signing up in 84-85 for the service and it was incredible to see animated screens and simple music come up from the service.... too bad it closed, it was a spectacular pre-today's-internet look at what would come down the road. Curt J.C. Wren wrote: > His fonts aren't large enough. There's still a few pixels available > on my monitor. > > --jc > > Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > >> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Keys wrote: >> >> >> >>> Has anyone ever seen one of these ? >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2785574420&category=4193 >>> >>> >> >> >> Oh, very cool. >> >> I've never seen it before but basically it's a cheap terminal to the CDC >> Plato system which was fairly popular in from the mid-1970s through the >> early 1980s. Normally you had to have a fancy terminal to access all >> the >> advanced features of Plato. This is a TI 99/4a re-branded as CDC and >> sold >> with a terminal program carthridge to emulate a Plato terminal. >> >> Neat. >> >> >> > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From marvin at rain.org Mon Feb 9 12:03:23 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: FYI References: Message-ID: <4027CB6B.1B9F0594@rain.org> My ISP uses SpamAssassin, and it has only once characterized something as spam when it was not (an email newsletter.) However, the things that are getting through are URLs that load when the email is read (unless you read offline of course.) I just continue to send them to SpamCop. It *has* helped, but the real solution is to make it painful/expensive/nonprofitable for the spammers to continue. Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > I finally implemented SpamAssassin on VCF e-mail accounts after trialing > it with a personal account for about a month. I've gone from something > like 200+ spams a day to almost none. > > My personal account has done similarly well though after a while the spam > count started creeping back up, but its still at a very manageable level. > Instead of having to wade through hundreds of spams every 2-3 days when I > would check that account, it's now maybe 10-15. > > Question: has anyone been able to make SpamAssassin be "perfect" (i.e. no > spam at all)? > > Anyway, the reason for this message, other than to claim (for now) victory > against spam, is to let people know that if they do have trouble > contacting me for some reason, it may be because SpamAssassin is equating > your message with spam. If so, please page me here in the mailing list > or you can send me a message via the VCF contact page: > > http://www.vintage.org/contact.php > > I LOVE SPAMASSASSIN!!! > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From waltje at pdp11.nl Mon Feb 9 12:05:29 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: SIMH Help In-Reply-To: <000c01c3ef23$d827b2c0$1a02a8c0@starship1> Message-ID: Curt, > I'm just trying out SIMH and I'm not quite familiar with the way it works. > I've attached an image as an RL02 to the RL0 Unit, but where do I go from > there to get it to be assigned something similar to what a real vax would > have, normally my RL02's would come up as a DLA0: and so forth, I've been > looking through the SIMH help, but I am missing something and I want to make > the drive.img file accessible as a drive in SIMH so I can access its > contents, thanks in advance for any help offered. > > > RL, address=20001900-20001909, vector=270, 4 units > RL0, 5242KW, attached to d:\rl02s\disk1.img, write enabled, RL02 > RL1, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize > RL2, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize > RL3, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize OK, looks like you indeed have an R/W RL02 image loaded. If this is a VAX simulator, you will also need the KA655's ROM image (its usually called ka655.bin or similar), so the VAX can load it and then execute it. After doing all the device attachments in SimH, you "boot" the VAX by typing: simh> boot cpu which basically loads the ROM file, and executes it, reasulting in the usual display of selftest messages, and ending you into the wellknown >>> prompt. A "show device" should indeed tell you it sees a DLA0 device, which you can boot the usual way (boot dla0:) ... Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 9 12:12:17 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Control Data Computer At $66.00 In-Reply-To: <4027C412.3040200@atarimuseum.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Curt Vendel wrote: > Atari actually hired in a bunch of former CDC managers, they released a > Plato Network cartridge for the Atari 800. It used the graphics mode 8 > (192X320) mode and I remember signing up in 84-85 for the service and it > was incredible to see animated screens and simple music come up from the > service.... too bad it closed, it was a spectacular > pre-today's-internet look at what would come down the road. Setting up a Plato network would be a neat exercise. I wonder what would be involved? Is the server-side software still around anywhere? Just what was the server (some CDC mainframe I assume)? Can it be emulated? Running on the original hardware would of course be preferable but mayeb not practical. I think at least one person here has a Plato terminal. How many are still out there? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From curt at atarimuseum.com Mon Feb 9 12:25:45 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: SIMH Help References: Message-ID: <002f01c3ef3a$30ab2510$1a02a8c0@starship1> Thanks for the help Fred.... Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred N. van Kempen" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:05 PM Subject: Re: SIMH Help > Curt, > > > I'm just trying out SIMH and I'm not quite familiar with the way it works. > > I've attached an image as an RL02 to the RL0 Unit, but where do I go from > > there to get it to be assigned something similar to what a real vax would > > have, normally my RL02's would come up as a DLA0: and so forth, I've been > > looking through the SIMH help, but I am missing something and I want to make > > the drive.img file accessible as a drive in SIMH so I can access its > > contents, thanks in advance for any help offered. > > > > > > RL, address=20001900-20001909, vector=270, 4 units > > RL0, 5242KW, attached to d:\rl02s\disk1.img, write enabled, RL02 > > RL1, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize > > RL2, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize > > RL3, 2621KW, not attached, write enabled, autosize > > OK, looks like you indeed have an R/W RL02 image loaded. If this > is a VAX simulator, you will also need the KA655's ROM image (its > usually called ka655.bin or similar), so the VAX can load it and > then execute it. > > After doing all the device attachments in SimH, you "boot" the > VAX by typing: > > simh> boot cpu > > which basically loads the ROM file, and executes it, reasulting > in the usual display of selftest messages, and ending you into > the wellknown >>> prompt. > > A "show device" should indeed tell you it sees a DLA0 device, > which you can boot the usual way (boot dla0:) ... > > Cheers, > Fred > -- > Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist > Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ > Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ > Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA > From curt at atarimuseum.com Mon Feb 9 12:28:39 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Control Data Computer At $66.00 References: Message-ID: <003001c3ef3a$8993eae0$1a02a8c0@starship1> Hey I'm up for it, I guess we'd need a system with some serial ports or a few modems attached, there is a website: Plato People: http://www.platopeople.com/about.html That seems to have some good history, I wonder if they have salvaged any of the code or even a working system, it would be a great collective project to try and get going and to see back on-line. I have a few brand new sealed Plato packages for the Atari 800/XL/XE line if anyone is interested, contact me off-list. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Control Data Computer At $66.00 > On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Curt Vendel wrote: > > > Atari actually hired in a bunch of former CDC managers, they released a > > Plato Network cartridge for the Atari 800. It used the graphics mode 8 > > (192X320) mode and I remember signing up in 84-85 for the service and it > > was incredible to see animated screens and simple music come up from the > > service.... too bad it closed, it was a spectacular > > pre-today's-internet look at what would come down the road. > > Setting up a Plato network would be a neat exercise. I wonder what would > be involved? > > Is the server-side software still around anywhere? Just what was the > server (some CDC mainframe I assume)? Can it be emulated? Running on the > original hardware would of course be preferable but mayeb not practical. > > I think at least one person here has a Plato terminal. How many are still > out there? > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > From cisin at xenosoft.com Mon Feb 9 12:36:15 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: FYI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040209103452.T12269@newshell.lmi.net> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > I LOVE SPAMASSASSIN!!! It's still a disappointment to find out that it has never actually assassinated any spammers. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred From bob_lafleur at technologist.com Mon Feb 9 12:46:16 2004 From: bob_lafleur at technologist.com (Bob Lafleur) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Control Data Computer At $66.00 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200402091345328.SM00900@bobdev> > Is the server-side software still around anywhere? Just what was the server (some CDC mainframe I assume)? Can it be emulated? Running on the original hardware would of course be preferable but mayeb not practical. The servers ran on CDC mainframes. There are several emulation projects "in progress", most noteably is Tom Hunter's Desktop Cyber. The emulator is available for free, but the OS software is harder to get. There is a handful of people who have been "allowed" to use older versions of the OS software for hobbyist use by the current copyright holder (Syntegra), but this is not an "everyone who wants it can get it" thing. Also, I'm not sure if any versions of Plato OS are included. Tom Hunter does claim that the Plato OS will run on his emulator, but he has not released the OS. The CDC "cyber" mainframes are VERY complex, much harder to emulate than other systems. And the OS's are cryptic, at best. Real CDC "cyber" mainframe hardware is very rare. There is one system operating and open to the general public for use (not running Plato, but running NOS) at www.cray-cyber.org. I do know that some of the (very intelligent) individuals involved in the Cyber emulation projects are quite interested in making Plato work. I believe the hurdles are (1) Finding surviving copies of the OS tapes and courseware, (2) Emulating the hardware to run them (mostly working now I'd guess), and (3) getting permission to actually use the software, as the Plato trademark or whatever is still owned by a company that isn't too free about it's use. Hopefully some of this information is helpful. - Bob From curt at atarimuseum.com Mon Feb 9 13:07:57 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: FYI References: <20040209103452.T12269@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: <005501c3ef40$07a89520$1a02a8c0@starship1> Thats Nixon's fault for putting in that non-assassination ammendment ;-) Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Cisin" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: "Bay Area Computer Collector List" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: Re: FYI > On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > I LOVE SPAMASSASSIN!!! > > It's still a disappointment to find out that it has > never actually assassinated any spammers. > > > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred > > > > > > > > From bernd at kopriva.de Mon Feb 9 13:18:37 2004 From: bernd at kopriva.de (Bernd Kopriva) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Fortune systems parts available In-Reply-To: <333D9700B499084C9DF804896DDA717801044B73@dewdfx14.wdf.sap.corp> Message-ID: <200402091930.i19JUXOD096790@huey.classiccmp.org> When "googling" for Information on "Fortune 32:16" i found that one : On Mon Apr 21 00:52:13 2003, Kelly Leavitt wrote: > I have the mother board (no security chip), several I/O cards, console > card, console, two terminals, a paper box of software and manuals (I > haven't inventoried yet), floppy drive and a power supply for a fortune > 16:32 (or was it 32:16?). > > All the cards and motherboard are in their original shipping/packing > containers. > > This is the spare parts inventory of a local (New Jersey USA) law firm > that has moved on to one of the Linux > > Any takers? > > Make and offer (I'm not looking for ebay prices). Would be shipping from > 07848. > > Kelly ... i know, it's some time since then, but : is this stuff still available (especially software and docs) ? I have a Fortune Systems 32:16, but the hard disk is dead, so after replacment, i need the software ... Thanks Bernd From technobug at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 13:21:09 2004 From: technobug at comcast.net (CRC) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Perq 2T1 display fault In-Reply-To: <200402091643.i19GhPOE095254@huey.classiccmp.org> References: <200402091643.i19GhPOE095254@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <1D5B34E2-5B35-11D8-AAFD-003065B0DA30@comcast.net> On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 23:35, Jules Richardson wrote: > Oh, and if anyone's dishing out Perq wisdom there's also a Perq 1 with > a > display fault too - on that one the image is centered on the screen, > but > squashed into about 80% of the normal width, and maybe 10% of normal > height. It's also very non-rectangular in nature. Chatted with my good buddy who still makes a living repairing terminals. His guess is that the horizontal yoke isolation cap is leaking/bad. This will definitely make the horizontal squoosh. Many terminals derive the drive voltage for the vertical from the horizontal flyback - thereby causing the problem you are seeing. His recommendations: 1. look for an oversized cap (electrolytic - yup one of those beasties...) near the horizontal drive transistor (generally heatsinked) that has a rating between 35 and 60 volts and a value between 2.2 and 20 microfarads. This is the isolation cap. If it is in the 2.2 to 4.7 volt range replace it with a film cap - you will never have a problem again. You can't reform this one since they put AC (albeit mostly DC) through the cap and once it goes it's gone. 2. Replace any electrolytic near anything that looks hot. 3. Inspect, clean, lubricate, and replace, if necessary, the yoke connector socket. His experience is that when the cap goes, the current through the yoke goes up and fries the connector. The bad connection will cause early failures. If the vertical problem persists, you probably have a similar problem with a cap in the vertical drive or a power supply problem. Good luck Claude Ceccon From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 9 13:36:55 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: FYI In-Reply-To: <20040209103452.T12269@newshell.lmi.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > I LOVE SPAMASSASSIN!!! > > It's still a disappointment to find out that it has > never actually assassinated any spammers. True, but I heard a rumor that version 3.0 will address this (although a subscription payable to a guy named Guido may be required ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 9 13:39:48 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Fortune systems parts available In-Reply-To: <200402091930.i19JUXOD096790@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Bernd Kopriva wrote: > When "googling" for Information on "Fortune 32:16" i found that one : > > On Mon Apr 21 00:52:13 2003, Kelly Leavitt wrote: > > > I have the mother board (no security chip), several I/O cards, console > > card, console, two terminals, a paper box of software and manuals (I > > haven't inventoried yet), floppy drive and a power supply for a fortune > > 16:32 (or was it 32:16?). > > > > All the cards and motherboard are in their original shipping/packing > > containers. > > > > This is the spare parts inventory of a local (New Jersey USA) law firm > > that has moved on to one of the Linux > > > > Any takers? > > > > Make and offer (I'm not looking for ebay prices). Would be shipping from > > 07848. > > > > Kelly > > ... i know, it's some time since then, but : is this stuff still available (especially > software and docs) ? > > I have a Fortune Systems 32:16, but the hard disk is dead, so after replacment, > i need the software ... Hi Bernd. There is probably little chance (though still a small chance perhaps) that this is available. However, I do believe I just got the OS install media for a Fortune 32:16 which I can share with you. I'll have to check and find out what I have. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From lbickley at bickleywest.com Mon Feb 9 14:14:21 2004 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: FYI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402091214.21459.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Sellam, I've been using SpamAssassin for several months - and you can tweak it to the place where it screens out 99% of the SPAM w/virtually no false positives. ? There are spammers who "train" their Email on SpamAssassin - who can get through. ?When they do, I forward their SPAMs to SpamCop - where they get blacklisted - and at least you won't hear from that particular ISP/vendor again. ?What this means is that it never will reach 100% - but 99% is good enough for me (I kinda enjoy nailing the ones that get through ;-) Lyle On Monday 09 February 2004 09:15, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > I finally implemented SpamAssassin on VCF e-mail accounts after trialing > it with a personal account for about a month. I've gone from something > like 200+ spams a day to almost none. > > My personal account has done similarly well though after a while the spam > count started creeping back up, but its still at a very manageable level. > Instead of having to wade through hundreds of spams every 2-3 days when I > would check that account, it's now maybe 10-15. > > Question: has anyone been able to make SpamAssassin be "perfect" (i.e. no > spam at all)? > > Anyway, the reason for this message, other than to claim (for now) victory > against spam, is to let people know that if they do have trouble > contacting me for some reason, it may be because SpamAssassin is equating > your message with spam. If so, please page me here in the mailing list > or you can send me a message via the VCF contact page: > > http://www.vintage.org/contact.php > > I LOVE SPAMASSASSIN!!! -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From lbickley at bickleywest.com Mon Feb 9 14:14:21 2004 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: FYI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402091214.21459.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Sellam, I've been using SpamAssassin for several months - and you can tweak it to the place where it screens out 99% of the SPAM w/virtually no false positives. ? There are spammers who "train" their Email on SpamAssassin - who can get through. ?When they do, I forward their SPAMs to SpamCop - where they get blacklisted - and at least you won't hear from that particular ISP/vendor again. ?What this means is that it never will reach 100% - but 99% is good enough for me (I kinda enjoy nailing the ones that get through ;-) Lyle On Monday 09 February 2004 09:15, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > I finally implemented SpamAssassin on VCF e-mail accounts after trialing > it with a personal account for about a month. I've gone from something > like 200+ spams a day to almost none. > > My personal account has done similarly well though after a while the spam > count started creeping back up, but its still at a very manageable level. > Instead of having to wade through hundreds of spams every 2-3 days when I > would check that account, it's now maybe 10-15. > > Question: has anyone been able to make SpamAssassin be "perfect" (i.e. no > spam at all)? > > Anyway, the reason for this message, other than to claim (for now) victory > against spam, is to let people know that if they do have trouble > contacting me for some reason, it may be because SpamAssassin is equating > your message with spam. If so, please page me here in the mailing list > or you can send me a message via the VCF contact page: > > http://www.vintage.org/contact.php > > I LOVE SPAMASSASSIN!!! -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From tomj at wps.com Mon Feb 9 14:42:23 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Perq 2T1 display fault In-Reply-To: <1076321065.23764.13.camel@pluto> References: <1076196906.7064.303.camel@weka.localdomain> <1076321065.23764.13.camel@pluto> Message-ID: <1076358611.1651.45.camel@dhcp-250132> On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 02:04, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: > Monitor being fed too high a voltage? Too *low* a voltage to the > scanning? Might just be out of adjustment - possibly someone's fiddled > with all the trimmers. We used to call TVs in that condition "NICAM" > sets, Nasty Intruder Caused Absolute Mayhem. "But sir, all the screws were loose in those little tin cans, so I tightened 'em all down." From vrs at msn.com Mon Feb 9 14:48:49 2004 From: vrs at msn.com (vrs) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: PAxx (was: Re: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7) References: <200402081938.i18JcYPp018933@spies.com> <20040208210323.GB4400@bos7.spole.gov> Message-ID: > Good point. When I get home, I hope to be working on some stuff of this > nature (if I can't find a PT08, I'll have to build one; I have a PA60 that > nobody seems to know ever existed that would make a nice platform). Hi, I have PA63 back-plane/box #0205240 here, and a "PA68-F Reader/Punch Control" as well. The guy I bought the latter from, also has drawings for sale in his eBay store. (I have failed to convince him that no-one else will ever want them, and now I may even have created demand for them.) I have never been sure quite what to do with these items; it seems implausible that I'd be able to locate enough stuff to get a typesetter set-up working. Anyone else have bits and pieces for a pdp-8 based typesetting rig? Vince From toresbe at ifi.uio.no Mon Feb 9 13:57:27 2004 From: toresbe at ifi.uio.no (Tore S Bekkedal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 Message-ID: <001301c3ef46$f4da4400$88ba9fc3@ra3> >If I understand you correctly, you are saying that major subsystems were >added to the CPU and wired into the backplane by a former user, who removed >these components without regard to its effect on the operability of the >machine before you came into possession of it. That wouldn't surprise me at >all. Many academic and lab shops did extensive custom modifications, like >the famous BBN paging box on the Tenex KA-10s. No, the Oregon PDP is also barely recognizeable. The PDP-7 was originally meant to be scrapped (was laying around) but it was salvaged by Professor Nordhagen, and ccmaniac librarian Knut Hegna (who has some other minis next to the PDP-7) when the new library building was built in 1987. The last trace of usage I have is 1976. >These machines went through multiple >revisions and field ECOs during their lifetime. There was a set of field >maintenance prints issued for the specific revision that a customer had, >which was then kept up to date with the machine. (At least this is true of >the Straight-8 of similar vintage.) I have three sets of wrap lists. My intention (bad idea?) was to wrap an original PDP-7/A, instead of one with ECOs - and later apply any crucial ECOs I came across. (Al, do you have any?) I could probably cook up some program that would give me schedules based on wire lists (if I am understanding the concept of 'schedule' correctly as something describing the order in which the wires are to be wrapped) The PDP-7 ended up with several ADC's, apparently it had a plotter, an IPB, a 'poor man's API', and so on. Some EE students aparently kept it alive during its last days, but gave up, and returned it to the Good Professor which originally bought it, and let me work on it. He put it in storage, and it's now an exhibit. Funny how PDP-7's tend to turn up vacantly sitting in corners, isn't it...? :) >I can't read a word of Norwegian, but from the pictures, it appears that >Norsk Data >made quite a number of interesting machines from 1967 into recent years. Yes, it was a fairly successful machine. I've heard that the first WWW server at CERN actually was an ND machine, which wouldn't surprise me, given the close cooperation the two institutions enjoyed. (I've heard.) I was yesterday at the Norwegian museum of technology, (I may be working with them on another restoration project - IBM 360/370-ish - but that is entirely in the future and no deals have been made yet - if this is happening, I will of course post immediately to cctech ;)) and amongst some neat exhibits (Jaquard loom, IBM 650 (You should have seen me - crawling down, looking at interiors and drum)) I saw a NORD-1. I don't know much about the machine, but I do know that the one 7 was hooked up to had three 9-tracks, 16k core, but not a very good display - the PDP-7 was later used as something of an intelligent terminal and data-gatherer, hooked up to some (apparently brilliant) Italian ADCs, and letting the NORD-1 do the numbercrunching. The NORD-1 used IC's, and came with a line printer, that's about all I know. I do seem to remember a 16-bit word length, though. The NORD-1 was a commercially successful machine, and earned ND quite a lot of money. I believe it was the NORD-100 which really got ND off to a start - but that's from doubleplusvague memory. I'll get around to translating that page :) Back to the wire-wrapping thing: Is it really that bad? There are admittedly a lot of wires on it, but it doesn't seem all too hard (especially with an electric wrapper!) Am I wrong, and am I not weighing the effort correctly? Is it harder than soldering? The pins are not small, they are about 2mm x 1mm from memory measurement. I thank everyone offering me wrappers! Whew! Thanks for all your help, people :) -tsb From coredump at gifford.co.uk Mon Feb 9 16:01:42 2004 From: coredump at gifford.co.uk (John Honniball) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Sun-3 hardware available, Bristol UK Message-ID: <40280346.9030705@gifford.co.uk> Hi! I've just resubscribed after a long break! It's time for a clear-out here, and I have some Sun hardware to give away. It's not *huge*, but you'll need a largish car for the 3/260. Sun 3/60 with shoebox disk and tape, mono, with monitor and accessories. Sun 3/260 with internal SCSI/EDSI disk, tape, external SMD disk, colour monitor and accessories. I'm in north Bristol, near M4/M5 junction -- BS34 8XB if you want to look it up on Streetmap.co.uk. I'll probably have some more stuff to find a new home for in the next few days/weeks. -- John Honniball coredump@gifford.co.uk From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 9 16:06:07 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: <001301c3ef46$f4da4400$88ba9fc3@ra3> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Tore S Bekkedal wrote: > Back to the wire-wrapping thing: Is it really that bad? There are > admittedly a lot of wires on it, but it doesn't seem all too hard > (especially with an electric wrapper!) Am I wrong, and am I not weighing > the effort correctly? Is it harder than soldering? The pins are not > small, they are about 2mm x 1mm from memory measurement. I thank > everyone offering me wrappers! So many things have been accomplished because people didn't know that it was supposed to be "impossible". Just pretend you didn't hear anything negative about the project and go to it. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Mon Feb 9 16:51:13 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Sun-3 hardware available, Bristol UK In-Reply-To: <40280346.9030705@gifford.co.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John Honniball > Sent: 09 February 2004 22:02 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Sun-3 hardware available, Bristol UK > > > Hi! I've just resubscribed after a long break! > Welcome back! I'd wondered where you'd vanished to.... Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 9 16:51:12 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Video Game Invasion (fwd) Message-ID: Video Game Invasion is a program that I contributed to. I just got this from the production company: This is to let you know that "Video Game Invasion: the History of a Global Obsession" will air on the Game Show Network on Sunday March 21st, at 9 pm (ET/PT). Game Show Network have promised lots of publicity, but in the meantime, please tell your friends! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From esharpe at uswest.net Mon Feb 9 17:52:31 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (Ed Sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Interesting NY Times story... References: Message-ID: <00ae01c3ef67$c8b9de00$ade681ac@aoldsl.net> then you can get really off the computer track and collect old radar jamming equipment from wwII http://www.smecc.org/countermeasures.htm here is what was the start of our collection here at the museum, it has grown vastly since this photo was taken... and of course always looking for more of it! ed sharpe archivist for smecc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Interesting NY Times story... > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, evan wrote: > > > His club (www.njarc.org) has about 200 members, and > > watching them have fun with antique radios and other > > ancient technology makes you wonder what people will > > be doing a few decades hence with old cellphones. > > (Notice how primitive the ones from the 90's already > > look?) Lately, for instance, they've been having a > > contest to see who can pick up the most distant radio > > signal on a vintage receiver. When conditions are > > right, noise from Chicago or Canada or Mexico might > > squawk through the classic sets. > > I don't know, will there be parallels like this in the future with modern > gadgets? Stuff today is so inaccessible from a retroist point of view. > The cellular networks 50-75 years from now probably won't support what we > use today, and unless cellular towers will be cheap, abundant, and easy to > store in our garage, we probably won't be setting up our own networks to > see how far we can call for fun. Even then, will this stuff be kept > around like surplus military gear was, or will it be recycled into future > products? Will it even work? Stuff from the past was meant to last, > while stuff we make now is made to break in a year or less so we will be > forced to "upgrade" (a euphemsism for spending more money needlessly). > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > > > From aek at spies.com Mon Feb 9 16:57:41 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! Message-ID: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> Got a call last week from a local vendor who remembered that I was looking for a 7 track drive. He found two (!) as they were going through their inventory. They are EXACTLY what I have been trying to find for a long, long time.. HP7970 tension arm drives with DUAL MODE 7/9 track head assemblies! They are capable of reading anything from 7trk 200bpi to 9trk 1600 bpi tapes. I won't say how much they were (they weren't cheap) but as part of the deal he let me go through some of his head stack spares, and I found 14 dual mode head stacks! (he let me have five of them with the drives) --al (doing the Snoopy dance right now!) From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Feb 9 16:59:32 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! In-Reply-To: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> from "Al Kossow" at Feb 09, 2004 02:57:41 PM Message-ID: <200402092259.i19MxWdv023207@onyx.spiritone.com> > HP7970 tension arm drives with DUAL MODE 7/9 track head assemblies! They are > capable of reading anything from 7trk 200bpi to 9trk 1600 bpi tapes. > > I won't say how much they were (they weren't cheap) but as part of the deal > he let me go through some of his head stack spares, and I found 14 dual mode > head stacks! (he let me have five of them with the drives) > > --al (doing the Snoopy dance right now!) AWSOME!!!!!! Zane From jpl15 at panix.com Mon Feb 9 17:04:58 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: NEC Board question Message-ID: This may or may not be close to the ten-year rule - but anyway: I am having a NEC Pent II computer, very fancy dark blue/charcoal case with a curved front panel running in guides that slides up and down, and the LCD status display, CDROM and Floppy drives all in a removable 'pod' that clips to the op front of the case. This attaches with a connector that is the same as is used nowadays for a SCSI II cable. And there is a similar connector on the card that drives all this stuff (the pod is conneccted thru a ribbon/header) the motherboard has the usual IDE ports and this particular machine boots and runs. It runs Win98, soon to be transmogrified into some dialect of Linux. The only readable info on the card is: Packard Bell NEC (Lo! how the MIghty have fallen!) PB-IRISA-Rev:D PB-0081-1 So I'm wondering if anyone might know the specifics of this, and especially if it is indeed SCSI, or just a case of connector mix-up. Thanks! Cheers John From jpl15 at panix.com Mon Feb 9 17:07:37 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! In-Reply-To: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> References: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Al Kossow wrote: > > They are EXACTLY what I have been trying to find for a long, long time.. > > HP7970 tension arm drives with DUAL MODE 7/9 track head assemblies! They are > capable of reading anything from 7trk 200bpi to 9trk 1600 bpi tapes. GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most excellent! Congratulations!!!! Cheers John From r_a_feldman at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 17:13:41 2004 From: r_a_feldman at hotmail.com (Robert Feldman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: Spam filters Message-ID: Enjoy it while you can. It won't last long: See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34035.html Bob Sellam Ismail wrote: I finally implemented SpamAssassin on VCF e-mail accounts after trialing it with a personal account for about a month. I've gone from something like 200+ spams a day to almost none. I LOVE SPAMASSASSIN!!! _________________________________________________________________ Keep up with high-tech trends here at "Hook'd on Technology." http://special.msn.com/msnbc/hookedontech.armx From vaxzilla at jarai.org Mon Feb 9 17:28:34 2004 From: vaxzilla at jarai.org (Brian Chase) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! In-Reply-To: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> References: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Al Kossow wrote: > I won't say how much they were (they weren't cheap) but as part of the deal > he let me go through some of his head stack spares, and I found 14 dual mode > head stacks! (he let me have five of them with the drives) > > --al (doing the Snoopy dance right now!) GIF! -brian. From uban at ubanproductions.com Mon Feb 9 17:36:25 2004 From: uban at ubanproductions.com (Tom Uban) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:18 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! In-Reply-To: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040209173604.035ef368@mail.ubanproductions.com> At 02:57 PM 2/9/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Got a call last week from a local vendor who remembered that I was looking >for a 7 track drive. He found two (!) as they were going through their >inventory. > >They are EXACTLY what I have been trying to find for a long, long time.. > >HP7970 tension arm drives with DUAL MODE 7/9 track head assemblies! They are >capable of reading anything from 7trk 200bpi to 9trk 1600 bpi tapes. > >I won't say how much they were (they weren't cheap) but as part of the deal >he let me go through some of his head stack spares, and I found 14 dual mode >head stacks! (he let me have five of them with the drives) > >--al (doing the Snoopy dance right now!) Woo! Glad to hear it... --tom From djg at drs-esg.com Mon Feb 9 17:39:10 2004 From: djg at drs-esg.com (David Gesswein) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Fluke 8100A manual Message-ID: <200402092339.i19NdAm19202@drs-esg.com> Anybody have one they would be willing to copy for this nixie multimeter? Thanks, David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights. From lbickley at bickleywest.com Mon Feb 9 17:43:15 2004 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! In-Reply-To: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> References: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> Message-ID: <200402091543.15785.lbickley@bickleywest.com> Outstanding!!! Lyle On Monday 09 February 2004 14:57, Al Kossow wrote: > Got a call last week from a local vendor who remembered that I was looking > for a 7 track drive. He found two (!) as they were going through their > inventory. > > They are EXACTLY what I have been trying to find for a long, long time.. > > HP7970 tension arm drives with DUAL MODE 7/9 track head assemblies! They > are capable of reading anything from 7trk 200bpi to 9trk 1600 bpi tapes. > > I won't say how much they were (they weren't cheap) but as part of the deal > he let me go through some of his head stack spares, and I found 14 dual > mode head stacks! (he let me have five of them with the drives) > > --al (doing the Snoopy dance right now!) -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Mon Feb 9 18:22:18 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) Message-ID: Hi folks, Courtesy of a UK university I'm now home to a nice wee Alpha 3000-300LX, which is important to me as it was the machine I taught myself enough to install/maintain/upgrade/troubleshoot DEC OSF/1 and bluff customers back in 1995. Bits of the machine fit the 10 year rule since the chips and cables have 1994 date codes :) In fact wasn't the 300LX released in '94? I can't remember and my Systems and Options catalogues are down in the garage. And it's *cold*! I've a feeling that running Apache on Alpha VMS might be a bit slow, which is a shame, but the machine came will a full set of Tru64 4.0F media so that's my first port of call for running the Binary Dinosaurs website on one of its inhabitants :) Cheers, -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From vcf at siconic.com Mon Feb 9 18:24:05 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Spam filters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Robert Feldman wrote: > Enjoy it while you can. It won't last long: > > See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34035.html I agree with Dan Gillmor's assessment (maybe I'm naive). AT&T has the bucks and the clout to go after any spammer that tries to use this technique without license. However, patents being as they are, they can be abused or gotten around. Anyway, I'm not terribly worried. Also, the method seems to only address "duplicate detection", which is but one aspect of spam that SpamAssassin looks for. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From dholland at woh.rr.com Mon Feb 9 20:25:19 2004 From: dholland at woh.rr.com (David Holland) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076379919.3360.1.camel@crusader.localdomain.home> On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 19:22, Witchy wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've a feeling that running Apache on Alpha VMS might be a bit slow, which > is a shame, but the machine came will a full set of Tru64 4.0F media so > that's my first port of call for running the Binary Dinosaurs website on one > of its inhabitants :) But think of all the script kiddies who won't have a clue what to do with the box.. :-) David > > Cheers, > > -- > Adrian/Witchy > Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs > www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum > www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From esharpe at uswest.net Mon Feb 9 20:45:01 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! References: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> Message-ID: <001501c3ef7f$e4363a30$976a6e44@SONYDIGITALED> awesome Al! are you going to run it on a 2100 , 21mx or interface it to PC? ed sharpe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: 7 track drive located! > > Got a call last week from a local vendor who remembered that I was looking > for a 7 track drive. He found two (!) as they were going through their inventory. > > They are EXACTLY what I have been trying to find for a long, long time.. > > HP7970 tension arm drives with DUAL MODE 7/9 track head assemblies! They are > capable of reading anything from 7trk 200bpi to 9trk 1600 bpi tapes. > > I won't say how much they were (they weren't cheap) but as part of the deal > he let me go through some of his head stack spares, and I found 14 dual mode > head stacks! (he let me have five of them with the drives) > > --al (doing the Snoopy dance right now!) > > From jwest at classiccmp.org Mon Feb 9 20:47:23 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! References: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> <001501c3ef7f$e4363a30$976a6e44@SONYDIGITALED> Message-ID: <001901c3ef80$38121f70$6400a8c0@HPLAPTOP> The 7970 mag tape interface is VERY bizarre, not SCSI, not Pertec.... it's an odd odd animal. Not likely to be hooked up to a PC. Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed sharpe" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: 7 track drive located! > awesome Al! > > are you going to run it on a 2100 , 21mx or interface it to PC? > > ed sharpe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Kossow" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:57 PM > Subject: 7 track drive located! > > > > > > Got a call last week from a local vendor who remembered that I was looking > > for a 7 track drive. He found two (!) as they were going through their > inventory. > > > > They are EXACTLY what I have been trying to find for a long, long time.. > > > > HP7970 tension arm drives with DUAL MODE 7/9 track head assemblies! They > are > > capable of reading anything from 7trk 200bpi to 9trk 1600 bpi tapes. > > > > I won't say how much they were (they weren't cheap) but as part of the > deal > > he let me go through some of his head stack spares, and I found 14 dual > mode > > head stacks! (he let me have five of them with the drives) > > > > --al (doing the Snoopy dance right now!) > > > > > > > From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Feb 9 21:05:40 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: from "Witchy" at Feb 10, 2004 12:22:18 AM Message-ID: <200402100305.i1A35eMo030278@onyx.spiritone.com> > I've a feeling that running Apache on Alpha VMS might be a bit slow, which > is a shame, but the machine came will a full set of Tru64 4.0F media so Take a look at WASD, it's what I run on my VMS server (which is admitadly a lot beefier than a 3000/300LX). I'm using a combination of DCL and Perl CGI's to interface with a RDB Database :^) Zane From dittman at dittman.net Mon Feb 9 21:09:42 2004 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: from "Witchy" at Feb 10, 2004 12:22:18 AM Message-ID: <20040210030942.2E4BE7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> > I've a feeling that running Apache on Alpha VMS might be a bit slow, which > is a shame, but the machine came will a full set of Tru64 4.0F media so > that's my first port of call for running the Binary Dinosaurs website on one > of its inhabitants :) I run Apache on Alpha VMS and it isn't slow. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From freddyboomboom at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 19:53:53 2004 From: freddyboomboom at comcast.net (Andrew Prince) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Fluke 8100A manual In-Reply-To: <200402092339.i19NdAm19202@drs-esg.com> References: <200402092339.i19NdAm19202@drs-esg.com> Message-ID: <1076378033.2045.4.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 18:39, David Gesswein wrote: > Anybody have one they would be willing to copy for this nixie multimeter? > > Thanks, > David Gesswein > http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights. Google gave me this link to some schematics... http://www.mcamafia.de/nixie/nixiegear/nixiegear.htm#04 And Fluke has some manuals here: http://www.fluke.com/support/default.asp Good luck!!! TTFN Andrew From vax3900 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 9 23:18:14 2004 From: vax3900 at yahoo.com (SHAUN RIPLEY) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: How much does a pair of KDA50 cards worth? Message-ID: <20040210051814.64056.qmail@web60701.mail.yahoo.com> I need $40 badly. I am considering selling my KDA50 boards with those internal cables, and a pair of iron covers. Do they worth $40? If not I would like to keep them because without these power consumers my VAX3900 won't boot. Without them the VAX3900 looks less and less like a 3900 though it consists of a bare cage without rack and front door anyway. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From aek at spies.com Tue Feb 10 00:09:28 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! Message-ID: <200402100609.i1A69SLK006888@spies.com> > are you going to run it on a 2100 , 21mx or interface it to PC? The plan is to reproduce the setup Paul Pierce has.. Seven high speed A/D converters off the head preamps and a lot of DSP software. http://www.piercefuller.com/collect/proj.html http://www.piercefuller.com/collect/a7tv.html From julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 10 00:38:38 2004 From: julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk (Jules Richardson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Philips MAB8031AH-12P CPU Message-ID: <1076368786.14901.440.camel@weka.localdomain> Some of you guys probably have piles of databooks lying around :-) Can anyone tell me anything about a Philips MAB8031AH-12P CPU? Is it a clone of anything more common? (given the 12MHz clock speed, 40 pin DIP and a mid-80's build date, I doubt it) There's a couple in each of the LVROM players that I'm trying to get working, but I can't find any (accessible) data on the web about them... (the ICs, not the players - I *may* have tracked down service manuals for the latter) cheers Jules From esharpe at uswest.net Tue Feb 10 00:45:08 2004 From: esharpe at uswest.net (ed sharpe) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! References: <200402100609.i1A69SLK006888@spies.com> Message-ID: <005a01c3efa1$6c6d2050$976a6e44@SONYDIGITALED> looks like a great project Al! best of luck on it! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 11:09 PM Subject: Re: 7 track drive located! > > > are you going to run it on a 2100 , 21mx or interface it to PC? > > The plan is to reproduce the setup Paul Pierce has.. Seven high speed A/D > converters off the head preamps and a lot of DSP software. > > http://www.piercefuller.com/collect/proj.html > http://www.piercefuller.com/collect/a7tv.html > > > From jimmydevice at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 18:54:11 2004 From: jimmydevice at hotmail.com (Jim Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! In-Reply-To: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> References: <200402092257.i19MvfoA019908@spies.com> Message-ID: <40282BB3.9050507@hotmail.com> Al Kossow wrote: >Got a call last week from a local vendor who remembered that I was looking >for a 7 track drive. He found two (!) as they were going through their inventory. > >They are EXACTLY what I have been trying to find for a long, long time.. > >HP7970 tension arm drives with DUAL MODE 7/9 track head assemblies! They are >capable of reading anything from 7trk 200bpi to 9trk 1600 bpi tapes. > >I won't say how much they were (they weren't cheap) but as part of the deal >he let me go through some of his head stack spares, and I found 14 dual mode >head stacks! (he let me have five of them with the drives) > >--al (doing the Snoopy dance right now!) > > > Sounds like the HOLY GRAIL of tape drives, I guess we know that you'r going to be doing with the rest of your life :-) Jim Davis. Killer rabbit joke omitted. From kbui at choosemfg.com Mon Feb 9 16:18:14 2004 From: kbui at choosemfg.com (Kelly Bui) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: TIL308 Message-ID: Do you have any TIL308? looking for 6 pieces. Kelly From lyosnorezel at yahoo.com Mon Feb 9 16:47:29 2004 From: lyosnorezel at yahoo.com (Lyos Norezel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Ok folks... BIG problem... LCD screen backlight is dead Message-ID: <20040209224729.23512.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Hey ya'll... I have a MAJOR problem here. My laptop (PII, 512MB's ram, 4.1GB HD) has an LCD screen in which the backlight has died. No warning just died ten minutes into a computer session. Tried restarting, tried taking it apart, jimmiing switches, etc... took it down to it's bare components and reassembled... NADA... nothing works. Any ideas? can the backlight be replaced? Could a replacement backlight be jerryrigged into place? Really need this laptop... I use it everyday... but can't afford a replacement LCD. Any advice? Ideas? HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lyos Gemini Norezel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online From TCHarding at compuserve.com Mon Feb 9 10:20:59 2004 From: TCHarding at compuserve.com (Tom Harding) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: MicroHelp Message-ID: <200402091121_MC3-1-6E73-E30D@compuserve.com> Marvin, I would be very pleased to have item 4, under Software for Sale from your file 004196.html. 4. $5.00 QB/Pro Vol 7 - QB Optimizer, Microhelp Is it possible to give you credit card details, including Post & P. to the UK? Yours faithfully, Tom Harding New House Farm Sheering Lower Road Sawbridgeworth Herts. CM21 9LE United Kingdom From tgore at pbrnc.com Mon Feb 9 12:11:35 2004 From: tgore at pbrnc.com (Todd Gore) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: DG nova 4 Message-ID: <001e01c3ef38$278599e0$6501a8c0@bench02> Do you still have any boards for the Data General Nova 4? From tomj at wps.com Tue Feb 10 02:08:39 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Control Data Computer At $66.00 In-Reply-To: <200402091345328.SM00900@bobdev> References: <200402091345328.SM00900@bobdev> Message-ID: <1076399786.1619.15.camel@fiche> Wow. Good story on Plato/CDC. In these days of image/marketing-driven drivel it's good to recall these sorts of deeply, seriously strange systems and people. Big Iron indeed! On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 10:46, Bob Lafleur wrote: > > Is the server-side software still around anywhere? Just what was the > server (some CDC mainframe I assume)? Can it be emulated? Running on the > original hardware would of course be preferable but mayeb not practical. > > The servers ran on CDC mainframes. There are several emulation projects "in > progress", most noteably is Tom Hunter's Desktop Cyber. The emulator is > available for free, but the OS software is harder to get. There is a handful > of people who have been "allowed" to use older versions of the OS software > for hobbyist use by the current copyright holder (Syntegra), but this is not > an "everyone who wants it can get it" thing. Also, I'm not sure if any > versions of Plato OS are included. Tom Hunter does claim that the Plato OS > will run on his emulator, but he has not released the OS. > > The CDC "cyber" mainframes are VERY complex, much harder to emulate than > other systems. And the OS's are cryptic, at best. > > Real CDC "cyber" mainframe hardware is very rare. There is one system > operating and open to the general public for use (not running Plato, but > running NOS) at www.cray-cyber.org. > > I do know that some of the (very intelligent) individuals involved in the > Cyber emulation projects are quite interested in making Plato work. I > believe the hurdles are (1) Finding surviving copies of the OS tapes and > courseware, (2) Emulating the hardware to run them (mostly working now I'd > guess), and (3) getting permission to actually use the software, as the > Plato trademark or whatever is still owned by a company that isn't too free > about it's use. > > Hopefully some of this information is helpful. > > - Bob From tomj at wps.com Tue Feb 10 02:17:38 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Wire Wrapper needed for PDP-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076400330.1619.19.camel@fiche> On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 14:06, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > So many things have been accomplished because people didn't know that it > was supposed to be "impossible". Just pretend you didn't hear anything > negative about the project and go to it. Absolutely! It just raises the value of the result. From doc at mdrconsult.com Tue Feb 10 02:07:39 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Ok folks... BIG problem... LCD screen backlight is dead In-Reply-To: <20040209224729.23512.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040209224729.23512.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31B38CD5-5BA0-11D8-9AC6-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 9, 2004, at 4:47 PM, Lyos Norezel wrote: > Hey ya'll... I have a MAJOR problem here. My laptop (PII, 512MB's ram, > 4.1GB HD) has an LCD screen in which the backlight has died. No > warning just died ten minutes into a computer session. Tried > restarting, tried taking it apart, jimmiing switches, etc... took it > down to it's bare components and reassembled... NADA... nothing works. > Any ideas? can the backlight be replaced? Could a replacement > backlight be jerryrigged into place? Really need this laptop... I use > it everyday... but can't afford a replacement LCD. Any advice? Ideas? > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It probably just wants more volts. Sorry, Lyos, I just couldn't leave that one lying there. ;) Please don't use anything other than the approved power source with your laptop. There are replacement backlights for laptops around that age on eBay all the time. Of course, when you need one, they're either the wrong model, or in another galaxy. Both IBM and Dell usually have replacement parts, if you're willing to spend a lot of cash. The same probably goes for Toshiba, HPaq, etc, but I haven't needed parts from them. Doc From tomj at wps.com Tue Feb 10 02:23:07 2004 From: tomj at wps.com (Tom Jennings) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Philips MAB8031AH-12P CPU In-Reply-To: <1076368786.14901.440.camel@weka.localdomain> References: <1076368786.14901.440.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: <1076400659.1619.24.camel@fiche> Without looking I can tell you it's an (Intel) 8031, an 8-bit microcontroller. Very 80's. Just hope it's not a masked PROM or blown-fuse programmed type, can't see the code without an e-microscope or something. On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 15:19, Jules Richardson wrote: > Some of you guys probably have piles of databooks lying around :-) > > Can anyone tell me anything about a Philips MAB8031AH-12P CPU? Is it a > clone of anything more common? (given the 12MHz clock speed, 40 pin DIP > and a mid-80's build date, I doubt it) > > There's a couple in each of the LVROM players that I'm trying to get > working, but I can't find any (accessible) data on the web about them... > (the ICs, not the players - I *may* have tracked down service manuals > for the latter) > > cheers > > Jules From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Tue Feb 10 02:14:07 2004 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Philips MAB8031AH-12P CPU In-Reply-To: Jules Richardson "Philips MAB8031AH-12P CPU" (Feb 9, 23:19) References: <1076368786.14901.440.camel@weka.localdomain> Message-ID: <10402100814.ZM24191@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Feb 9, 23:19, Jules Richardson wrote: > Some of you guys probably have piles of databooks lying around :-) > > Can anyone tell me anything about a Philips MAB8031AH-12P CPU? Is it a > clone of anything more common? (given the 12MHz clock speed, 40 pin DIP > and a mid-80's build date, I doubt it) I don't need a data book for that one :-) It's the base member of the Intel 8051 family, also known as the MCS-51 family, which is an enhanced version of the 8048 family of microcontrollers. IIRC it has some extra instructions and addressing modes. The 8031 is the version without on-board ROM. Philips was one of several second-sources for it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From dan_williams at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 10 03:27:04 2004 From: dan_williams at ntlworld.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <200402100305.i1A35eMo030278@onyx.spiritone.com> References: <200402100305.i1A35eMo030278@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <4028A3E8.6000308@ntlworld.com> Zane H. Healy wrote: >>I've a feeling that running Apache on Alpha VMS might be a bit slow, which >>is a shame, but the machine came will a full set of Tru64 4.0F media so >> >> > >Take a look at WASD, it's what I run on my VMS server (which is admitadly a >lot beefier than a 3000/300LX). I'm using a combination of DCL and Perl >CGI's to interface with a RDB Database :^) > > Zane > > > I use wasd on a vax 4000/500 and it's pretty quick, although it's all plain html Dan From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Tue Feb 10 03:43:00 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <20040210030942.2E4BE7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dittman > Sent: 10 February 2004 03:10 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. > Or is it?) > > > I've a feeling that running Apache on Alpha VMS might be a > bit slow, > > which is a shame, but the machine came will a full set of > Tru64 4.0F > > media so that's my first port of call for running the > Binary Dinosaurs > > website on one of its inhabitants :) > > I run Apache on Alpha VMS and it isn't slow. I'm going to install it today; like David says it'll confuse the 5kr1pt k1dd135 more than ever. I was nosing around HPs website last night and even PHP is available for Alpha VMS 7.2-2 and above, which surprised me a bit....dunno why. All I have to do then is work out MySQL access for some of the backend stuff - ATM everything runs on a RedHat7 box. Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From lists at microvax.org Tue Feb 10 03:50:49 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402100950.49886.lists@microvax.org> On Tuesday 10 February 2004 09:43, Witchy wrote: > > I run Apache on Alpha VMS and it isn't slow. > > I'm going to install it today; like David says it'll confuse the 5kr1pt > k1dd135 more than ever. I was nosing around HPs website last night and > even PHP is available for Alpha VMS 7.2-2 and above, which surprised me > a bit....dunno why. All I have to do then is work out MySQL access for > some of the backend stuff - ATM everything runs on a RedHat7 box. Do it. I always wanted to put a MicroVAX 3100 into a colo just to see the tech's faces when they asked where to plug the monitor and keyboard in :) alex/melt From gordonjcp at gjcp.net Tue Feb 10 03:54:49 2004 From: gordonjcp at gjcp.net (Gordon JC Pearce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <4028A3E8.6000308@ntlworld.com> References: <200402100305.i1A35eMo030278@onyx.spiritone.com> <4028A3E8.6000308@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1076406186.3178.45.camel@pluto> On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 09:27, Dan Williams wrote: > Zane H. Healy wrote: > > >>I've a feeling that running Apache on Alpha VMS might be a bit slow, which > >>is a shame, but the machine came will a full set of Tru64 4.0F media so > >> > >> > > > >Take a look at WASD, it's what I run on my VMS server (which is admitadly a > >lot beefier than a 3000/300LX). I'm using a combination of DCL and Perl > >CGI's to interface with a RDB Database :^) > > > > Zane > > > > > > > I use wasd on a vax 4000/500 and it's pretty quick, although it's all > plain html > > Dan > You could try thttpd, which is fairly light. Look on freshmeat.net for http servers. There's one called "micro httpd", which apparently is 150 lines! Gordon From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Tue Feb 10 04:42:32 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <200402100950.49886.lists@microvax.org> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of meltie > Sent: 10 February 2004 09:51 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. > Or is it?) > > Do it. I always wanted to put a MicroVAX 3100 into a colo > just to see the tech's faces when they asked where to plug > the monitor and keyboard in :) > Hehe! I've just found out that MySQL 4.0.13 has been ported so I've got all the bits necessary.....now where did I put my box o'cables for plugging in the RRD42.... Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au Tue Feb 10 07:20:35 2004 From: huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au (Huw Davies) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10 Feb 2004, at 20:43, Witchy wrote: > > I'm going to install it today; like David says it'll confuse the 5kr1pt > k1dd135 more than ever. I was nosing around HPs website last night and > even > PHP is available for Alpha VMS 7.2-2 and above, which surprised me a > bit....dunno why. All I have to do then is work out MySQL access for > some of > the backend stuff - ATM everything runs on a RedHat7 box. You do know that MySQL runs under OpenVMS these days? Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies@kerberos.davies.net.au Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the Australia | air, the sky would be painted green" From allain at panix.com Tue Feb 10 08:44:22 2004 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: NEC Laptop power leads References: Message-ID: <008c01c3efe4$5fd851a0$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> I rescued a few nice bits at the recycle center this weekend, the computer day comes only once a month. at least one is even on topic (stamped1993): NEC UltraLiteVERSA (PC-430-1521), which states 13.5VDC on the label but the power input jack is four pins. Anybody which two to choose? John A. From travel at itl.net Tue Feb 10 06:43:35 2004 From: travel at itl.net (Trevor Beckford) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: OKIDATA OL830 LASER JET PRINTER - ERROR ENGINE FAN PROBLEM Message-ID: <000701c3efde$cecb1620$a86c3439@colbacks.com> Did you ever get to resolve your Oki Printer problem??? Mine has just started doing exactly the same thing and can't get any sense out of local Oki engineer!! Kindest Regards Trevor Beckford MANAGING DIRECTOR Colbacks Travel 31 Gloucester Street St Helier, Jersey JE2 3QR Tel:(44) 1534 700500 Fax:(44) 1534 700598 From jwest at classiccmp.org Tue Feb 10 09:03:21 2004 From: jwest at classiccmp.org (Jay West) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! References: <200402100609.i1A69SLK006888@spies.com> Message-ID: <00e301c3efe7$0640cde0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Al wrote... > The plan is to reproduce the setup Paul Pierce has.. Seven high speed A/D > converters off the head preamps and a lot of DSP software. > http://www.piercefuller.com/collect/a7tv.html That is just way too cool. Ya'll rock! :) --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 10 09:34:20 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <1076379919.3360.1.camel@crusader.localdomain.home> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, David Holland wrote: > But think of all the script kiddies who won't have a clue what to do > with the box.. That is exactly why I *still* run critical or security-sensitive stuff on such platforms. It leaves those kiddies with a severe headache. :) --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 10 09:35:13 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <20040210030942.2E4BE7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Eric Dittman wrote: > I run Apache on Alpha VMS and it isn't slow. Depends on the hardware, Eric... a 300LX isnt, um, spiffy. --f From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Tue Feb 10 09:59:32 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred N. van Kempen > Sent: 10 February 2004 15:35 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. > Or is it?) > > On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > I run Apache on Alpha VMS and it isn't slow. > Depends on the hardware, Eric... a 300LX isnt, um, spiffy. It's the fastest machine I've got that'll run VMS and Apache/PHP/MySQL though, until the University I got it from retires some DS10s in the next year or so :) Nothing's happened yet anyway 'cos I can't find big enough disks to install apart from a Compaq UltraSCSI 4 gb job that I'm sure I retired from the existing webserver 'cos it was getting noisy and I'd just got some spanky 18gb jobs.....the 4gb drive needs a cable and a wide/narrow converter before I can install it. I could cluster it with my MV3100 but part of the exercise is to reduce the power consumption in the computer room - something I know you don't have a problem with :D Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From classiccmp at vintage-computer.com Tue Feb 10 10:02:03 2004 From: classiccmp at vintage-computer.com (classiccmp@vintage-computer.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: A Familiar Face Message-ID: <.206.184.248.70.1076428923.squirrel@login.pegasus.lunarpages.com> It's always nice to open up the paper and see a familiar face. I was perusing the San Jose Mercury News this morning and came upon a nice article smack-dab in the middle of the front page of the Business section. The article was about Bruce Damer's DigiBarn. Read it at http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/7917764.htm Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum From classiccmp at vintage-computer.com Tue Feb 10 10:10:31 2004 From: classiccmp at vintage-computer.com (classiccmp@vintage-computer.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: DATA I/O PROM Programmer Message-ID: <.206.184.248.70.1076429431.squirrel@login.pegasus.lunarpages.com> Is anyone familiar with a DATA I/O MPD 60A Programmer? There is one for sale that I'm thinking about but I have no idea what proms it can handle, etc. A Google search turned up a goose egg. Any help would be appreciated. Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forum From KVanMersbergen at RandMcNally.com Tue Feb 10 10:30:38 2004 From: KVanMersbergen at RandMcNally.com (Van Mersbergen, Ken) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help Message-ID: Hey all, I got a DEC 2000 Alpha server and it is working great! It has VMS 5.2 installed on it and that's where I'm stuck. Since I don't have a login user name or password I can't really do anything with it. Is there a way to "hack" VMS so I can get in? Or do I just need to reinstall VMS and start from scratch? -Ken V. *************************************************************** This E-mail is confidential. It should not be read, copied, disclosed or used by any person other than the intended recipient. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying by whatever medium is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the E-mail from your system. *************************************************************** From curt at atarimuseum.com Tue Feb 10 10:37:30 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402908CA.2040901@atarimuseum.com> The older VMS 3.x used to have some holes in it. Try logging in: field field test test system system See if the backdoors are still open, otherwise you'll have to reinstall. You 2K have a CD-rom? I will burn copies of the OpenVMS 7.3 Curt Van Mersbergen, Ken wrote: >Hey all, > >I got a DEC 2000 Alpha server and it is working great! > >It has VMS 5.2 installed on it and that's where I'm stuck. > >Since I don't have a login user name or password I can't really do anything >with it. > >Is there a way to "hack" VMS so I can get in? > >Or do I just need to reinstall VMS and start from scratch? > > > >-Ken V. > > >*************************************************************** >This E-mail is confidential. It should not be read, copied, disclosed or >used by any person other than the intended recipient. Unauthorized use, >disclosure or copying by whatever medium is strictly prohibited and may be >unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please contact the >sender immediately and delete the E-mail from your system. >*************************************************************** > > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From curt at atarimuseum.com Tue Feb 10 10:41:34 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402909BE.6020603@atarimuseum.com> Ken do you have a DECUS account? You're gonna need to get a license for Hobbyist VMS, I think membership is like $90 Curt Van Mersbergen, Ken wrote: >Hey all, > >I got a DEC 2000 Alpha server and it is working great! > >It has VMS 5.2 installed on it and that's where I'm stuck. > >Since I don't have a login user name or password I can't really do anything >with it. > >Is there a way to "hack" VMS so I can get in? > >Or do I just need to reinstall VMS and start from scratch? > > > >-Ken V. > > >*************************************************************** >This E-mail is confidential. It should not be read, copied, disclosed or >used by any person other than the intended recipient. Unauthorized use, >disclosure or copying by whatever medium is strictly prohibited and may be >unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please contact the >sender immediately and delete the E-mail from your system. >*************************************************************** > > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From lists at microvax.org Tue Feb 10 10:54:47 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <402908CA.2040901@atarimuseum.com> References: <402908CA.2040901@atarimuseum.com> Message-ID: <200402101654.47661.lists@microvax.org> On Tuesday 10 February 2004 16:37, Curt Vendel wrote: > The older VMS 3.x used to have some holes in it. > > Try logging in: > > field > field > > test > test > > system > system > > See if the backdoors are still open, otherwise you'll have to > reinstall. You 2K have a CD-rom? I will burn copies of the OpenVMS > 7.3 Er guys, it's not magically got any harder since I used to do it - RTFM: http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/vmsdoc/vmsfaq/vmsfaq_005.html#mgmt5 basically: >>>b -flags 0,1 Once at the SYSBOOT prompt: SET/STARTUP OPA0: SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0 SET WRITESYSPARAMS 0 CONTINUE At the $ prompt: $ SPAWN $ @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM: ! or wherever SYSUAF.DAT resides $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:AUTHORIZE MODIFY SYSTEM /PASSWORD=newpassword EXIT then reboot. alex/melt From KVanMersbergen at RandMcNally.com Tue Feb 10 11:13:14 2004 From: KVanMersbergen at RandMcNally.com (Van Mersbergen, Ken) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help Message-ID: Curt- Yes, this has a built in CD-ROM drive with a caddy! All I need is a copy of the CD. I will see if the backdoors are open though... -Ken V. -----Original Message----- From: Curt Vendel [mailto:curt@atarimuseum.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:38 AM To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help The older VMS 3.x used to have some holes in it. Try logging in: field field test test system system See if the backdoors are still open, otherwise you'll have to reinstall. You 2K have a CD-rom? I will burn copies of the OpenVMS 7.3 Curt Van Mersbergen, Ken wrote: >Hey all, > >I got a DEC 2000 Alpha server and it is working great! > >It has VMS 5.2 installed on it and that's where I'm stuck. > >Since I don't have a login user name or password I can't really do anything >with it. > >Is there a way to "hack" VMS so I can get in? > >Or do I just need to reinstall VMS and start from scratch? > > > >-Ken V. > > >*************************************************************** >This E-mail is confidential. It should not be read, copied, disclosed or >used by any person other than the intended recipient. Unauthorized use, >disclosure or copying by whatever medium is strictly prohibited and may be >unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please contact the >sender immediately and delete the E-mail from your system. >*************************************************************** > > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com *************************************************************** This E-mail is confidential. It should not be read, copied, disclosed or used by any person other than the intended recipient. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying by whatever medium is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the E-mail from your system. *************************************************************** From KVanMersbergen at RandMcNally.com Tue Feb 10 11:13:53 2004 From: KVanMersbergen at RandMcNally.com (Van Mersbergen, Ken) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:19 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help Message-ID: Curt- Yes I think I do, I just never got a copy of the software.. -Ken V. -----Original Message----- From: Curt Vendel [mailto:curt@atarimuseum.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:42 AM To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help Ken do you have a DECUS account? You're gonna need to get a license for Hobbyist VMS, I think membership is like $90 Curt Van Mersbergen, Ken wrote: >Hey all, > >I got a DEC 2000 Alpha server and it is working great! > >It has VMS 5.2 installed on it and that's where I'm stuck. > >Since I don't have a login user name or password I can't really do anything >with it. > >Is there a way to "hack" VMS so I can get in? > >Or do I just need to reinstall VMS and start from scratch? > > > >-Ken V. > > >*************************************************************** >This E-mail is confidential. It should not be read, copied, disclosed or >used by any person other than the intended recipient. Unauthorized use, >disclosure or copying by whatever medium is strictly prohibited and may be >unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please contact the >sender immediately and delete the E-mail from your system. >*************************************************************** > > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com *************************************************************** This E-mail is confidential. It should not be read, copied, disclosed or used by any person other than the intended recipient. Unauthorized use, disclosure or copying by whatever medium is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the E-mail from your system. *************************************************************** From dittman at dittman.net Tue Feb 10 11:21:35 2004 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <402909BE.6020603@atarimuseum.com> from "Curt Vendel" at Feb 10, 2004 11:41:34 AM Message-ID: <20040210172135.70B017F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> > Ken do you have a DECUS account? You're gonna need to get a license > for Hobbyist VMS, I think membership is like $90 You can join Encompass at the free associate level if you just was to get the OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From jpl15 at panix.com Tue Feb 10 11:23:46 2004 From: jpl15 at panix.com (John Lawson) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <200402101654.47661.lists@microvax.org> References: <402908CA.2040901@atarimuseum.com> <200402101654.47661.lists@microvax.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, meltie wrote: > On Tuesday 10 February 2004 16:37, Curt Vendel wrote: > > The older VMS 3.x used to have some holes in it. [snip] > Er guys, it's not magically got any harder since I used to do it - RTFM: > http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/vmsdoc/vmsfaq/vmsfaq_005.html#mgmt5 > > basically: > >>>b -flags 0,1 etc... this is exactly the procedure I took to 'break in' to my VAXStation3100 - it worked perfectly the first time... Cheerz John From dittman at dittman.net Tue Feb 10 11:42:20 2004 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: from "Fred N. van Kempen" at Feb 10, 2004 04:35:13 PM Message-ID: <20040210174220.B54AD7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> > > I run Apache on Alpha VMS and it isn't slow. > Depends on the hardware, Eric... a 300LX isnt, um, spiffy. No, but unless he's got a lot of people hitting the website that shouldn't be a problem. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From pat at computer-refuge.org Tue Feb 10 11:45:23 2004 From: pat at computer-refuge.org (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: New acquisitions, looking for stuff Message-ID: <200402101245.23776.pat@computer-refuge.org> Found some "semi-interesting" machines this week: - IBM PC/AT with all IBM components, nearly pristine shape excluding some scratches on the bottom; only missing a couple of screws and the hard drive. It's got the real-deal IBM 5.25" floppy and 3.5" floppy drives (1200KB/DSHD and 720KB/DSDD, right?) - IBM PS/2 Model 90, missing hard drive and RAM, but I should be able to replace those with other parts. I'm hoping to get OS/2 2.1 running on this. And, something a bit more interesting which I actually "paid money" for: - DEC VAX 11/750 with 8MB ram, floating point accelerator, 1kW PCS version of the microcode store card, Massbuss and two Unibus adaptor cards, and the onboard unibus is complete with a TU80K-CP TU80 controller, DMF32 async + printer port card, and DZ11-A serial card. A question about the TU80K-CP: I've heard that it's a DEC re-badged version of a DILOG PERTEC card, with custom firmware so that it only will talk to a TU80. Does anyone have the DILOG firmware that I can put onto it to make it talk to a "standard" PERTEC 9track tape drive? Also, I'm looking for 1) UNIBUS ethernet card - DEUNA or DELUA or similar 2) Different firmware for the TU80K, or a TU80 within a couple hours of here or a different PERTEC card... Actually I might have what I need for the card already..hmm. But I still need to get a drive for it, anyhow. 3) An UNIBUS SMD disk interface and/or ST506 disk interface 4) RL11 interface (RL02/RL01 drive controller) Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Feb 10 11:53:39 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <20040210174220.B54AD7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> References: <20040210174220.B54AD7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: > > > I run Apache on Alpha VMS and it isn't slow. >> Depends on the hardware, Eric... a 300LX isnt, um, spiffy. > >No, but unless he's got a lot of people hitting the website that >shouldn't be a problem. True, but he's talking about Apache, MySQL, and I believe PHP. All together, that could be painful. I think the key thing will be ensuring that the system has enough RAM and to try to keep it from swapping. The one good thing about a 3000/300LX is that it takes 72-pin True Parity RAM. I'd recommend maxing it if at all possible. Pentium Pro servers can be a good source of RAM. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Tue Feb 10 12:49:23 2004 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help Message-ID: <040210134923.2b35a@splab.cas.neu.edu> Yes, if you can (and should be able to) get a console prompt, the method I used was to do SET UAFALT 1 CONTINUE which set the authorize file to the alternate, which on our systems did not exist. Then when you enter system as the login id, any password works. I did not know about the method of setting the console to startup, it sounds like another, better way. In my way, you have to play around in sysgen and swap the authorize files around after you get on, but still, any port in a storm. joe heck From dan_williams at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 10 11:58:32 2004 From: dan_williams at ntlworld.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <20040210172135.70B017F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> References: <20040210172135.70B017F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: <40291BC8.8030409@ntlworld.com> Eric Dittman wrote: >>Ken do you have a DECUS account? You're gonna need to get a license >>for Hobbyist VMS, I think membership is like $90 >> >> > >You can join Encompass at the free associate level if you just was to >get the OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses. > > Is that a new thing, I've been paying (decus) for the last three years just for licenses. Dan From lists at microvax.org Tue Feb 10 12:02:06 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: New acquisitions, looking for stuff In-Reply-To: <200402101245.23776.pat@computer-refuge.org> References: <200402101245.23776.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: <200402101802.07106.lists@microvax.org> On Tuesday 10 February 2004 17:45, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > - DEC VAX 11/750 with 8MB ram, floating point accelerator, 1kW PCS > version of the microcode store card, Massbuss and two Unibus adaptor > cards, and the onboard unibus is complete with a TU80K-CP TU80 > controller, DMF32 async + printer port card, and DZ11-A serial card. Good catch! :) alex/melt From lbickley at bickleywest.com Tue Feb 10 12:05:24 2004 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: New acquisitions, looking for stuff In-Reply-To: <200402101245.23776.pat@computer-refuge.org> References: <200402101245.23776.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: <200402101005.24188.lbickley@bickleywest.com> What a great find! Good for you! Lyle On Tuesday 10 February 2004 09:45, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > - DEC VAX 11/750 with 8MB ram, floating point accelerator, 1kW PCS > version of the microcode store card, Massbuss and two Unibus adaptor > cards, and the onboard unibus is complete with a TU80K-CP TU80 > controller, DMF32 async + printer port card, and DZ11-A serial card. > -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From dittman at dittman.net Tue Feb 10 12:10:30 2004 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <40291BC8.8030409@ntlworld.com> from "Dan Williams" at Feb 10, 2004 05:58:32 PM Message-ID: <20040210181030.761A17F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> > >>Ken do you have a DECUS account? You're gonna need to get a license > >>for Hobbyist VMS, I think membership is like $90 > >> > >> > > > >You can join Encompass at the free associate level if you just was to > >get the OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses. > > > > > Is that a new thing, I've been paying (decus) for the last three years > just for licenses. DECUS or Encompass? Where are you located? -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From dan_williams at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 10 12:23:11 2004 From: dan_williams at ntlworld.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <20040210181030.761A17F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> References: <20040210181030.761A17F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: <4029218F.20501@ntlworld.com> Eric Dittman wrote: >>>>DECUS or Encompass? Where are you located? >>>> >>>> Decus (well not know), in the UK Dan From arcarlini at iee.org Tue Feb 10 12:30:20 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003501c3f003$fd18b990$5b01a8c0@athlon> > I got a DEC 2000 Alpha server and it is working great! Useful box: it will run OpenVMS, Digital Unix and Windows NT. (And it just about meets the 10 year rule :0) > It has VMS 5.2 installed on it and that's where I'm stuck. I expect you mean V6.2 (which is about 6-8 years later than V5.2 and supports on Alpha, which V5.2 does not). The OpenVMS FAQ will tell you how to break in and change the password. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From arcarlini at iee.org Tue Feb 10 12:32:02 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <402908CA.2040901@atarimuseum.com> Message-ID: <003601c3f004$36bd58e0$5b01a8c0@athlon> > The older VMS 3.x used to have some holes in it. I'm pretty sure that those defaults were all removed in V4.0 (about 1984-6) and if not, they were gone by V5.0 (still late 1980s). They found that people just didn't bother reading the manuals that told you to change these. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From arcarlini at iee.org Tue Feb 10 12:34:30 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <40291BC8.8030409@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <003701c3f004$8f85ec80$5b01a8c0@athlon> > Is that a new thing, I've been paying (decus) for the last > three years > just for licenses. Far be it for me to suggest that you cease to support a fine organisation, but if all you want are the Hobbyist licences, sign up for associate membership with the US DECUS, wait for the request to be granted and then request the licences. Worked fine for me (in the UK too). Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From cheri-post at web.de Tue Feb 10 12:50:02 2004 From: cheri-post at web.de (Pierre Gebhardt) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? Message-ID: <200402101850.i1AIo2Q26808@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Hi all ! Just a question which I'm quite curious about: Is it possible to use my VAX 4000/200 as a web-server ? That way, I could provide my future site about my collection by using parts of it ;) This, of course, would mean the VAX running 24h a day. SCSI-disks would certainly be a better choice than my SDI-disks in order to avoid a crash... Is my VAX with its 5 VUP and 32MB RAM fast enough to run a webserver ? Pierre ______________________________________________________________________________ Nachrichten, Musik und Spiele schnell und einfach per Quickstart im WEB.DE Screensaver - Gratis downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110 From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Tue Feb 10 12:55:11 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <20040210174220.B54AD7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dittman > Sent: 10 February 2004 17:42 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. > Or is it?) > > > > I run Apache on Alpha VMS and it isn't slow. > > Depends on the hardware, Eric... a 300LX isnt, um, spiffy. > > No, but unless he's got a lot of people hitting the website > that shouldn't be a problem. There's 4 websites on the existing one and I barely shift 2gb per month in page hits...last week I found out that my ISP doesn't bitch until I start shifting a gig a day so I think I'm fine :) I was surprised to find that the UW disk with correct cable, converter and active terminator upset the SCSI bus so I'm temporarily using an old HP Surestore drive that I rescued from an old server at Mrs Witchy's school. 2gb but it's NOISY! Anyone in the UK got a spare RZ29B they don't want any more? :) Installing VMS 7.3 as I type......though I've been spoilt by the fast CD-ROMs in ES40s and the like so installing from an RRD42 is painful to say the least! Having said that I've got an old SCSI Yamaha CDRW that still reads but won't write so I might try putting that in my external CD enclosure...... Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Tue Feb 10 12:59:04 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy > Sent: 10 February 2004 17:54 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. > Or is it?) > > True, but he's talking about Apache, MySQL, and I believe > PHP. All together, that could be painful. I think the key > thing will be ensuring that the system has enough RAM and to > try to keep it from swapping. The one good thing about a > 3000/300LX is that it takes 72-pin True Parity RAM. I'd > recommend maxing it if at all possible. Pentium Pro servers > can be a good source of RAM. All MySQL is currently doing is guestbook stuff and a couple of smaller things so it's not exactly being stressed :) Fortunately there's 160mb of RAM in there with 4x8mb SIMMS I can swap out if necessary. The machine won't be doing anything else apart from Apache so swapping can hopefully be avoided. Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From curt at atarimuseum.com Tue Feb 10 13:02:44 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? References: <200402101850.i1AIo2Q26808@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <000d01c3f008$7702e970$1a02a8c0@starship1> With BSD installed should work fine I would think, I doubt you'd want to run anything too heavy duty, I want to do it as well, I have a 4K-200 with 64mb Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre Gebhardt" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? > Hi all ! > > Just a question which I'm quite curious about: > Is it possible to use my VAX 4000/200 as a web-server ? > That way, I could provide my future site about my collection by using parts of it ;) > > This, of course, would mean the VAX running 24h a day. > SCSI-disks would certainly be a better choice than my SDI-disks in order to avoid a crash... > > Is my VAX with its 5 VUP and 32MB RAM fast enough to run a webserver ? > > Pierre > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > Nachrichten, Musik und Spiele schnell und einfach per Quickstart im > WEB.DE Screensaver - Gratis downloaden: http://screensaver.web.de/?mc=021110 > From msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG Tue Feb 10 13:06:19 2004 From: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? Message-ID: <0402101906.AA08250@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Pierre Gebhardt wrote: > Is it possible to use my VAX 4000/200 as a web-server ? > [...] > Is my VAX with its 5 VUP and 32MB RAM fast enough to run a webserver ? ivan.Harhan.ORG is a VAX655 (3.8 VUPs) and runs httpd. ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG is a VAX650 (2.8 VUPs) and runs httpd. OS is 4.3BSD-Quasijarus and httpd is IFCTF httpd, formerly W3C httpd, formerly CERN httpd. The original. > This, of course, would mean the VAX running 24h a day. Well, yeah, how else?... Aren't you already using your VAXen for all your most essential mission-critical applications, as your sole computing platform and as your main servers, as you should be? Well, OK, I guess not everyone is like me... I do just the above. I have *NO* computers other than Classic ones. > SCSI-disks would certainly be a better choice than my SDI-disks in order to > avoid a crash... I use SDI disks exclusively and have been doing so since 1999. MS P.S. But then again, I'm not like most people. I'm a lot more principled. From vcf at siconic.com Tue Feb 10 13:39:36 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <003701c3f004$8f85ec80$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Antonio Carlini wrote: > > Is that a new thing, I've been paying (decus) for the last three years > > just for licenses. > > Far be it for me to suggest that you cease to support a fine > organisation, but if all you want are the Hobbyist licences, sign up for > associate membership with the US DECUS, wait for the request to be > granted and then request the licences. Worked fine for me (in the UK > too). Does DECUS serve any broader purpose other than doling out VMS licenses to hobbyists who want to run old DEC gear? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From cisin at xenosoft.com Tue Feb 10 13:43:19 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: New acquisitions, looking for stuff In-Reply-To: <200402101245.23776.pat@computer-refuge.org> References: <200402101245.23776.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: <20040210113212.K46652@newshell.lmi.net> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > Found some "semi-interesting" machines this week: > - IBM PC/AT with all IBM components, nearly pristine shape excluding > some scratches on the bottom; only missing a couple of screws and the > hard drive. It's got the real-deal IBM 5.25" floppy and 3.5" floppy > drives > (1200KB/DSHD and 720KB/DSDD, right?) Definite MAYBE The AT was available with "1.2M" OR "360K" 5.25, but the 1.2M is by far the more common choice. Telling them apart isn't always easy! When IBM realized that differentiation was an issue, they started putting an asterisk on the front plate of the 360K. Hmmm. Let's see. "Two similar ones, so let's make a change in the appearance of the OLD style one,..." Therefore, if there is an asterisk then it is 360K. If there is NO asterisk, then it is either a 1.2M, or an older 360K, or a different brand of 360K, ... If they had put the identifier on the NEW type, then it would have been possible to have consistency. NEITHER 720K, NOR 1.4M 3.5" drives were out when the AT was introduced. LATER, (with DOS 3.20), 720K was introduced, and became available as an option for the AT. LATER, (with DOS 3.30), 1.4M was introduced, and became available as an option for the AT. But the PS/2 was ALSO introduced then, so instead of adding a 1.4M to an AT, many "power users" switched to PS/2 instead. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Feb 10 13:59:55 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Does DECUS serve any broader purpose other than doling out VMS licenses to >hobbyists who want to run old DEC gear? Roughly put, ENCOMPASS (there is no longer a US DECUS, hasn't been for several years) is a professional Users Group for people running Windows, Unix, and OpenVMS on HP Hardware (or the older Compaq or DEC HW). Unfortunately I think I got the order of "importance" listed correctly (well the order in their minds). Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 10 14:05:18 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote: > > > I run Apache on Alpha VMS and it isn't slow. > > Depends on the hardware, Eric... a 300LX isnt, um, spiffy. > > It's the fastest machine I've got that'll run VMS and Apache/PHP/MySQL > though, until the University I got it from retires some DS10s in the next > year or so :) I was only pointing out to Eric that altho VMS-on-Alpha *can* be quite nice, it largely depends on the system it runs on... yes, it runs *very* nice on my new DS. It runs less nice, but still good, on the CObra (DEC4000-620). It runs, um, period, on a Multia :) > Nothing's happened yet anyway 'cos I can't find big enough disks to install > apart from a Compaq UltraSCSI 4 gb job that I'm sure I retired from the > existing webserver 'cos it was getting noisy and I'd just got some spanky > 18gb jobs.....the 4gb drive needs a cable and a wide/narrow converter before > I can install it. Lemme know if I can help. > power consumption in the computer room - something I know you don't have a > problem with :D True.. I use *way* too much of that here. --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 10 14:07:34 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Van Mersbergen, Ken wrote: > Hey all, > > I got a DEC 2000 Alpha server and it is working great! > > It has VMS 5.2 installed on it and that's where I'm stuck. Huh? I didnt know VMS 5.2 ran on an Alpha... are you *sure* its an Alpha, and not a VAX 2000 ? > Since I don't have a login user name or password I can't really do anything > with it. > > Is there a way to "hack" VMS so I can get in? Yeah, although I dont have that section at hand, there is a paragraph or two about that in the VMS FAQ. > Or do I just need to reinstall VMS and start from scratch? That, of course, is always a better thing to do, assuming you have all the stuff needed to install it... --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 10 14:08:33 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <20040210174220.B54AD7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Eric Dittman wrote: > No, but unless he's got a lot of people hitting the website that > shouldn't be a problem. True. --f From vcf at siconic.com Tue Feb 10 14:11:15 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >Does DECUS serve any broader purpose other than doling out VMS licenses to > >hobbyists who want to run old DEC gear? > > Roughly put, ENCOMPASS (there is no longer a US DECUS, hasn't been for > several years) is a professional Users Group for people running Windows, > Unix, and OpenVMS on HP Hardware (or the older Compaq or DEC HW). > Unfortunately I think I got the order of "importance" listed correctly > (well the order in their minds). Ok, so what are the benefits of membership besides being able to "legally" run VMS? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 10 14:12:55 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? In-Reply-To: <200402101850.i1AIo2Q26808@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Pierre Gebhardt wrote: > Hi all ! > > Just a question which I'm quite curious about: > Is it possible to use my VAX 4000/200 as a web-server ? No problem, I know several people in Holland who do exactly the same with their VAX 4000-300's- web, smtp and so on. > This, of course, would mean the VAX running 24h a day. It *does* use a bit of power.. > SCSI-disks would certainly be a better choice than my > SDI-disks in order to avoid a crash... Well, or use DSSI disks.. these things simply dont wanna die. I have a few of those running 24/7, and dammit, they dont give up :) > Is my VAX with its 5 VUP and 32MB RAM fast enough to run > a webserver ? 32MB is a bit close, but, yes, it will run VMS 7.1 with the usual web stuff. Try getting some extra RAM for it, that will certainly speed it up *a lot* ! --f From lists at microvax.org Tue Feb 10 14:16:28 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? In-Reply-To: <200402101850.i1AIo2Q26808@mailgate5.cinetic.de> References: <200402101850.i1AIo2Q26808@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <200402102016.29224.lists@microvax.org> On Tuesday 10 February 2004 18:50, Pierre Gebhardt wrote: > Hi all ! > > Just a question which I'm quite curious about: > Is it possible to use my VAX 4000/200 as a web-server ? > That way, I could provide my future site about my collection by using > parts of it ;) > > This, of course, would mean the VAX running 24h a day. > SCSI-disks would certainly be a better choice than my SDI-disks in order > to avoid a crash... > > Is my VAX with its 5 VUP and 32MB RAM fast enough to run a webserver ? I have the same configuration - apart from no local disk that NetBSD can use so I put another disk in my home internet gateway box and booted NetBSD/VAX from that over the network - used to serve http:// www.meltie.com just fine with thttpd - very small, easy to set up, high performance webserver - http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/ alex/melt From lists at microvax.org Tue Feb 10 14:18:41 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <003701c3f004$8f85ec80$5b01a8c0@athlon> References: <003701c3f004$8f85ec80$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: <200402102018.41514.lists@microvax.org> On Tuesday 10 February 2004 18:34, Antonio Carlini wrote: > > Is that a new thing, I've been paying (decus) for the last > > three years > > just for licenses. > > Far be it for me to suggest that you cease to support > a fine organisation, but if all you want are the > Hobbyist licences, sign up for associate membership > with the US DECUS, wait for the request to > be granted and then request the licences. Worked > fine for me (in the UK too). I did precisely the same, and attached a footnote fully explaining the situation, pointing out several times that I was from the UK. I was welcomed with open arms. alex/melt From rivie at ridgenet.net Tue Feb 10 14:20:26 2004 From: rivie at ridgenet.net (Roger Ivie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? In-Reply-To: <200402101850.i1AIo2Q26808@mailgate5.cinetic.de> References: <200402101850.i1AIo2Q26808@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Pierre Gebhardt wrote: > Just a question which I'm quite curious about: > Is it possible to use my VAX 4000/200 as a web-server ? I ran a web server for about a year on a 4000/90 using NetBSD and thttpd. Worked great. > Is my VAX with its 5 VUP and 32MB RAM fast enough to run a webserver ? Should work as long you don't expect to handle lots of traffic. -- Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net (Rated a 10 on the Fox Scale of Forth-Hatred) From lists at microvax.org Tue Feb 10 14:23:22 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402102023.22753.lists@microvax.org> On Tuesday 10 February 2004 20:12, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > [a 4000-200] *does* use a bit of power.. I find mine with 3 DSSI disks comes in under 3A@240V - less than my P133 that sits under the cable box downstairs! alex/melt From dan_williams at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 10 14:39:28 2004 From: dan_williams at ntlworld.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? In-Reply-To: <200402102023.22753.lists@microvax.org> References: <200402102023.22753.lists@microvax.org> Message-ID: <40294180.4090703@ntlworld.com> meltie wrote: >On Tuesday 10 February 2004 20:12, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > >>[a 4000-200] *does* use a bit of power.. >> >> >I find mine with 3 DSSI disks comes in under 3A@240V - less than my P133 >that sits under the cable box downstairs! > >alex/melt > > > > I hzve no idea what mine is pulling, it has 3 internal and 5 external dssi disks in a r4000 and has been running solidly for the last six months. Dan From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 10 14:46:28 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? In-Reply-To: <40294180.4090703@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: > >I find mine with 3 DSSI disks comes in under 3A@240V - less than my P133 > >that sits under the cable box downstairs! Your PC uses 3A? Jesus. Get another PeeCee! :) > I hzve no idea what mine is pulling, it has 3 internal and 5 external > dssi disks in a r4000 and has been running solidly for the last six months. I'm not going to mention what all is running 24/7 here. My power company will get a heart attack if I do... --f From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Tue Feb 10 14:56:19 2004 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: "Antonio Carlini" "RE: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help" (Feb 10, 18:34) References: <003701c3f004$8f85ec80$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: <10402102056.ZM24796@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Feb 10, 18:34, Antonio Carlini wrote: > > Is that a new thing, I've been paying (decus) for the last > > three years > > just for licenses. > > Far be it for me to suggest that you cease to support > a fine organisation, but if all you want are the > Hobbyist licences, sign up for associate membership > with the US DECUS, wait for the request to > be granted and then request the licences. Worked > fine for me (in the UK too). Aha! I wondered about that -- thanks for the tip! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From pete at dunnington.u-net.com Tue Feb 10 14:55:24 2004 From: pete at dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: Dan Williams "Re: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help" (Feb 10, 18:23) References: <20040210181030.761A17F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> <4029218F.20501@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <10402102055.ZM24793@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> On Feb 10, 18:23, Dan Williams wrote: > Eric Dittman wrote: > > >>>>DECUS or Encompass? Where are you located? > >>>> > >>>> > > Decus (well not know), in the UK That explains it -- DECUS UK (and now Encompass in the UK, or whatever HP are calling it this month) have always charged several times what the US and European branches do, for anything. Yes, they do charge for the minimum membership required for a Hobbyist License. I forget the amount because I threw the renewal papers out in disgust, but it was not far short of ?100; certainly over US$100. That membership, BTW, is not good for anything except the Hobbyist License, either. No seminars, meetings, w.h.y. And don't let your membership lapse or they'll charge an extra ?25 to renew it :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York From waltje at pdp11.nl Tue Feb 10 15:24:17 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <10402102055.ZM24793@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Pete Turnbull wrote: > That explains it -- DECUS UK (and now Encompass in the UK, or whatever > HP are calling it this month) have always charged several times what > the US and European branches do, for anything. Yes, they do charge for > the minimum membership required for a Hobbyist License. I forget the > amount because I threw the renewal papers out in disgust, but it was > not far short of £100; certainly over US$100. That membership, BTW, is > not good for anything except the Hobbyist License, either. No > seminars, meetings, w.h.y. And don't let your membership lapse or > they'll charge an extra £25 to renew it :-( In Holland, that would be HP Interex, and they charge EUR 125/year for membership (there is only one level), which is required for the Hobbyist license. Gee, I wonder why people are slowly dropping their support for the Hobbyist program... --f -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA From lists at microvax.org Tue Feb 10 15:44:47 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: VAX 4000 acting as Webserver ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402102144.47594.lists@microvax.org> On Tuesday 10 February 2004 20:46, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > > >I find mine with 3 DSSI disks comes in under 3A@240V - less than my > > > P133 that sits under the cable box downstairs! > > Your PC uses 3A? Jesus. Get another PeeCee! :) I'd rather not ;) > > I hzve no idea what mine is pulling, it has 3 internal and 5 external > > dssi disks in a r4000 and has been running solidly for the last six > > months. > > I'm not going to mention what all is running 24/7 here. My > power company will get a heart attack if I do... Reminds me of my time in Uni halls - we didn't have to pay any power bills! Aw g'wan, tell... alex/melt From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Tue Feb 10 16:17:08 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: DATA I/O PROM Programmer In-Reply-To: <".206.184.248.70.1076429431.squirrel"@login.pegasus.lunarp ages.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040210171708.008cd7e0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Erik, I have one and I think I have the manual for it. IIRC it's all menu driven, (pick the manufacturer then the EPROM number) and it programs 2716 to 27256 (or 27512?) type EPROMs. Joe At 08:10 AM 2/10/04 -0800, you wrote: >Is anyone familiar with a DATA I/O MPD 60A Programmer? > >There is one for sale that I'm thinking about but I have no idea what >proms it can handle, etc. > >A Google search turned up a goose egg. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Erik Klein >www.vintage-computer.com >www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum >The Vintage Computer Forum > > > From dan at ekoan.com Tue Feb 10 16:38:49 2004 From: dan at ekoan.com (Dan Veeneman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: HP 9845B in Graz, Austria In-Reply-To: <.206.184.248.70.1076428923.squirrel@login.pegasus.lunarpag es.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040210171630.05b86040@enigma> Hello, Apparently there is a Hewlett-Packard 9845B awaiting disposal in the basement of a company in Graz, Austria. I'd love to rescue the machine, but because I'm on the east coast of the United States it's a little too far for me to go and pick it up. It's also an extremely heavy machine, so shipping across the pond isn't affordable (for me). So, if anyone closer to Austria is interested in saving this classic computer, contact me off-list and I'll put you in touch with the owner. Thanks! Cheers, Dan www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html From dittman at dittman.net Tue Feb 10 17:49:01 2004 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <4029218F.20501@ntlworld.com> from "Dan Williams" at Feb 10, 2004 06:23:11 PM Message-ID: <20040210234901.9CACD7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> > >>>>DECUS or Encompass? Where are you located? > >>>> > >>>> > > Decus (well not know), in the UK The Encompass US group offers the associate membership to people in all countries. I don't know if the UK group has a free level of membership, so if they don't check with the US group. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From dittman at dittman.net Tue Feb 10 18:04:22 2004 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: from "Fred N. van Kempen" at Feb 10, 2004 10:24:17 PM Message-ID: <20040211000422.8C2997F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> > > That explains it -- DECUS UK (and now Encompass in the UK, or whatever > > HP are calling it this month) have always charged several times what > > the US and European branches do, for anything. Yes, they do charge for > > the minimum membership required for a Hobbyist License. I forget the > > amount because I threw the renewal papers out in disgust, but it was > > not far short of ?100; certainly over US$100. That membership, BTW, is > > not good for anything except the Hobbyist License, either. No > > seminars, meetings, w.h.y. And don't let your membership lapse or > > they'll charge an extra ?25 to renew it :-( > In Holland, that would be HP Interex, and they charge EUR 125/year > for membership (there is only one level), which is required for > the Hobbyist license. > > Gee, I wonder why people are slowly dropping their support for > the Hobbyist program... Anyone is allowed to join Encompass US at the the associate level, which allows access to the OpenVMS Hobbyist program. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From dittman at dittman.net Tue Feb 10 18:06:18 2004 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: from "Vintage Computer Festival" at Feb 10, 2004 12:11:15 PM Message-ID: <20040211000618.3462C801C@narnia.int.dittman.net> > > >Does DECUS serve any broader purpose other than doling out VMS licenses to > > >hobbyists who want to run old DEC gear? > > > > Roughly put, ENCOMPASS (there is no longer a US DECUS, hasn't been for > > several years) is a professional Users Group for people running Windows, > > Unix, and OpenVMS on HP Hardware (or the older Compaq or DEC HW). > > Unfortunately I think I got the order of "importance" listed correctly > > (well the order in their minds). > > Ok, so what are the benefits of membership besides being able to "legally" > run VMS? Details are one the Encompass website at http://www.encompassus.com/ -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From vcf at siconic.com Tue Feb 10 18:18:01 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <10402102055.ZM24793@mindy.dunnington.u-net.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Pete Turnbull wrote: > That explains it -- DECUS UK (and now Encompass in the UK, or whatever > HP are calling it this month) have always charged several times what > the US and European branches do, for anything. Yes, they do charge for > the minimum membership required for a Hobbyist License. I forget the > amount because I threw the renewal papers out in disgust, but it was > not far short of ?100; certainly over US$100. That membership, BTW, is > not good for anything except the Hobbyist License, either. No > seminars, meetings, w.h.y. And don't let your membership lapse or > they'll charge an extra ?25 to renew it :-( Right, this is what I was getting at. So assuming this is correct, what I was getting at is that DECUS is pointless. They exist solely to charge (or extort rather) hobbyists to use an operating system. Isn't it time to either kill DECUS, or turn it into something more useful? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From dvcorbin at optonline.net Tue Feb 10 19:22:11 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: DECUS (Was Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is interesting how times change. When I was heavily involved in DECUS ['77-'91] it was a resource who's worth was almost beyond calculation. Now I hear these types of discussions. On a related front, makes me wonder why I keep up my IEEE membership.......... David. From jrkeys at concentric.net Tue Feb 10 19:33:24 2004 From: jrkeys at concentric.net (Keys) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:20 2005 Subject: Anyone ever seen a Greyhound Computer? Message-ID: <01be01c3f03f$0bc74340$49406b43@66067007> Has anyone ever seen a Greyhound computer or worked on one or have one? All I can find is how they sued and won $21 from IBM nothing about their hardware. From TRASIOL at cs.com Tue Feb 10 20:00:23 2004 From: TRASIOL at cs.com (TRASIOL@cs.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Anyone ever seen a Greyhound Computer? Message-ID: I believe you will find that GREYHOUND was nothing more than a leasing organization and dealt primarily (if not exclusively) with IBM Main Frames. When I was Director, Central DP Division for the State of Delaware (1973), I leased systems from Greyhound at greatly reduced rates (saving the taxpayers' money). Art Hill From allain at panix.com Tue Feb 10 20:05:58 2004 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) References: Message-ID: <057701c3f043$985e5560$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> > That is exactly why I *still* run critical or security-sensitive > stuff on such platforms. It leaves those kiddies with a severe > headache. :) At last! A motivation behind all this. I was beginning to wonder. I saw a digital animation festival last night and was thinking of getting a new compute server. By my calculations a midsized PC passed even the CRAY-1 in compute speed sometime in 2002, give or take a year. It probably would require a stripped down O/S to do the computing. MS must take out at least 3/4 of the machine power. John A. From aek at spies.com Tue Feb 10 20:32:22 2004 From: aek at spies.com (Al Kossow) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help Message-ID: <200402110232.i1B2WMvY010802@spies.com> > Isn't it time to either kill DECUS, or turn it into something more useful? It died when they threw out the program libraries for anything that wasn't a VAX Resurrection of those libraries will take years, thanks a lot guys.. From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Feb 10 21:09:01 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <200402110232.i1B2WMvY010802@spies.com> from "Al Kossow" at Feb 10, 2004 06:32:22 PM Message-ID: <200402110309.i1B391ao032418@onyx.spiritone.com> > > > > Isn't it time to either kill DECUS, or turn it into something more useful? > > It died when they threw out the program libraries for anything that wasn't a VAX > > Resurrection of those libraries will take years, thanks a lot guys.. > Have you tried to find any of the VAX stuff? It's not easy! Some stuff for VMS, PDP-10, and PDP-11 (maybe others as well) is available on Eisner (unfortunatly I'm sure there aren't any hidden gems). For example: $ dir dka0:[000000.decus] Directory DKA0:[000000.DECUS] AUSDECUS92.DSK;1 CD1.LIS;1 CD2.LIS;1 CD3.LIS;1 CD4.LIS;1 CD5.LIS;1 CD6.LIS;1 CD7.LIS;1 DECUSLIBCOLL1994.DSK;1 ESSTOOLS1007.DSK;1 FTPDECUS.DIR;1 LT86A.ZIP;1 LT87A.ZIP;1 PDP10PDP11.DSK;1 PDP11.DSK;3 PDP11SIG.DSK;1 PROPDP.DSK;1 SCAN.BCK;1 VLT00A.DSK;1 VLT00B.DSK;3 VLT01A.DSK;1 VLT01B.BCK;1 VLT01B.DSK;1 VLT02A.DSK;1 VLT02B.DSK;1 VLT95B.DSK;1 VLT96A.DSK;1 VLT96B.DSK;1 VLT97A-MISCONF.DSK;1 VLT97A.DSK;1 VLT97B.DSK;1 VLT98A.DSK;1 VLT98B.DSK;1 VLT99A.DSK;1 VLT99B.DSK;1 VLTSUM1.DSK;1 VLTSUM2.DSK;1 VLTSUM3.DSK;1 VLTSUM4.DSK;1 VLTSUM5.DSK;1 VLTSUM6.DSK;1 VLTSUM7.DSK;1 VMSAXPSTARTUP.DSK;1 Total of 43 files. Zane From wlewis at mailbag.com Tue Feb 10 21:12:29 2004 From: wlewis at mailbag.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: HP 9000/715 Keyboard Adapter Module? References: <200402110222.i1B2LLOJ011554@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <40299D9D.8060608@mailbag.com> Hello all, This is right on the edge of being ontopic, so I hope this is acceptable. I recently scored an HP 9000 715/64 cheaply to run Nextstep on. It does not have it's keyboard adapter module. Does anyone here have a module and cable for this machine that they would be willing to sell? Thanks in advance, William From freddyboomboom at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 18:21:35 2004 From: freddyboomboom at comcast.net (Andrew Prince) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Ok folks... BIG problem... LCD screen backlight is dead In-Reply-To: <20040209224729.23512.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040209224729.23512.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1076458895.2046.13.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 17:47, Lyos Norezel wrote: > Hey ya'll... I have a MAJOR problem here. My laptop (PII, 512MB's ram, 4.1GB HD) > has an LCD screen in which the backlight has died. No warning just died ten > minutes into a computer session. Tried restarting, tried taking it apart, > jimmiing switches, etc... took it down to it's bare components and reassembled... > NADA... nothing works. Any ideas? can the backlight be replaced? Could a replacement > backlight be jerryrigged into place? Really need this laptop... I use it everyday... > but can't afford a replacement LCD. Any advice? Ideas? HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Lyos Gemini Norezel > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online Lyos: Depending on the make and model, some laptops have what's called an "inverter board" that supplies the necessary voltage and current to run the LCD panel itself. If the inverter board goes out, the display is VERY dim, in fact you have to look really closely do discern any video at all. If this is your situation, then the inverter boards are usually pretty cheap, compared to the LCD panel itself. If the display is readable from a normal distance, but very dark, then yes, the backlight is out, and you either need to pull another of the same make and model of LCD panel apart to get the tube out, or replace the entire LCD panel. If either of those are prohibitively expensive for you, and you don't mind Dell's... Visit www.dellauction.com or www.dfsdirectsales.com for some lesser expensive alternatives to a brand new laptop. TTFN Andrew From vcf at siconic.com Tue Feb 10 21:25:41 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <200402110232.i1B2WMvY010802@spies.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Al Kossow wrote: > > Isn't it time to either kill DECUS, or turn it into something more useful? > > It died when they threw out the program libraries for anything that wasn't a VAX > > Resurrection of those libraries will take years, thanks a lot guys.. Does DECUS also still supply licenses for commercial use of VMS? If so, does anyone have an idea of what their licensed user base is for that? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Tue Feb 10 21:27:27 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Kinda OT: Adaptec AHA-2920A BIOS utility? Message-ID: Is there a BIOS utility on the Adaptec AHA-2920A SCSI card? If so, how does one enter it? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From cisin at xenosoft.com Tue Feb 10 21:42:04 2004 From: cisin at xenosoft.com (Fred Cisin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Ok folks... BIG problem... LCD screen backlight is dead In-Reply-To: <1076458895.2046.13.camel@localhost> References: <20040209224729.23512.qmail@web41711.mail.yahoo.com> <1076458895.2046.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040210194130.V64003@newshell.lmi.net> On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 17:47, Lyos Norezel wrote: > Hey ya'll... I have a MAJOR problem here. My laptop (PII, 512MB's ram, 4.1GB HD) > has an LCD screen in which the backlight has died. No warning just died ten Make? Model? Voltage? Amperage? From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Feb 10 21:51:00 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: from "Vintage Computer Festival" at Feb 10, 2004 07:25:41 PM Message-ID: <200402110351.i1B3p1HQ000520@onyx.spiritone.com> > Does DECUS also still supply licenses for commercial use of VMS? If so, > does anyone have an idea of what their licensed user base is for that? As far as I know, they've never supplied licenses for Commercial Use of OpenVMS. That would be DEC/Compaq/HP. DECUS/Encompass is simply a User Group. Zane From freddyboomboom at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 19:15:51 2004 From: freddyboomboom at comcast.net (Andrew Prince) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Kinda OT: Adaptec AHA-2920A BIOS utility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1076462151.2078.4.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 22:27, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > Is there a BIOS utility on the Adaptec AHA-2920A SCSI card? If so, how > does one enter it? I'm not sure if it does, the manual I just downlaoded from Adaptec didn't really say. How to get into it, if it has one, is when you see the card's POST messages, hit ctrl-a. That should get you in, as long as you are on a PC style box. I don't know if this will work on an Alpha or anything else. I do know this won't work on a Mac. Good luck! TTFN Andrew From jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to Tue Feb 10 22:24:24 2004 From: jhfinexgs2 at compsys.to (Jerome H. Fine) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: OKIDATA OL830 LASER JET PRINTER - ERROR ENGINE FAN PROBLEM References: <000701c3efde$cecb1620$a86c3439@colbacks.com> Message-ID: <4029AE78.FF6F9BD0@compsys.to> >Trevor Beckford wrote: > Did you ever get to resolve your Oki Printer problem??? Mine has just started doing exactly the same thing and can't get any sense out of local Oki engineer!! > Kindest Regards > Trevor Beckford > MANAGING DIRECTOR > Colbacks Travel > 31 Gloucester Street > St Helier, Jersey JE2 3QR > Tel:(44) 1534 700500 > Fax:(44) 1534 700598 Jerome Fine replies: I am still looking for some help as well. If you find anything, please let me know. I can't even find out if there are two fans! The fan right at the back left of the printer is easy to look at, but I was not able to get into the guts at all. To remove the cover, the display on the left "snaps" out to reveal a hold down bolt in addition to the other two in the front. But I was unable to do much more than just "look". Sincerely yours, Jerome Fine -- If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the 'at' with the four digits of the current year. From vcf at siconic.com Tue Feb 10 22:39:13 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Kinda OT: Adaptec AHA-2920A BIOS utility? In-Reply-To: <1076462151.2078.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Andrew Prince wrote: > On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 22:27, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > Is there a BIOS utility on the Adaptec AHA-2920A SCSI card? If so, how > > does one enter it? > > I'm not sure if it does, the manual I just downlaoded from Adaptec > didn't really say. Me too. As you found, it wasn't very helpful in this regard. > How to get into it, if it has one, is when you see the card's POST > messages, hit ctrl-a. That should get you in, as long as you are on a PC > style box. I don't know if this will work on an Alpha or anything else. > I do know this won't work on a Mac. I already tried that and it didn't work. I'm thinking it just does not have a BIOS like other Adaptec cards do, but I wanted to be sure. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From jcwren at jcwren.com Tue Feb 10 23:22:32 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <057701c3f043$985e5560$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> References: <057701c3f043$985e5560$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: <4029BC18.9000909@jcwren.com> John Allain wrote: >>That is exactly why I *still* run critical or security-sensitive >>stuff on such platforms. It leaves those kiddies with a severe >>headache. :) >> >> > >At last! A motivation behind all this. I was beginning to wonder. > >I saw a digital animation festival last night and was thinking of >getting a new compute server. By my calculations a midsized >PC passed even the CRAY-1 in compute speed sometime in 2002, >give or take a year. It probably would require a stripped down O/S >to do the computing. MS must take out at least 3/4 of the machine >power. > >John A. > > > > I think your understanding of operating systems and PC architecture is flawed. It sounds like typical knee-jerk MS bashing. --jc From vcf at siconic.com Tue Feb 10 23:23:51 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <200402110351.i1B3p1HQ000520@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > Does DECUS also still supply licenses for commercial use of VMS? If so, > > does anyone have an idea of what their licensed user base is for that? > > As far as I know, they've never supplied licenses for Commercial Use of > OpenVMS. That would be DEC/Compaq/HP. DECUS/Encompass is simply a User > Group. Ok, then I can say quite imperiously that DECUS needs to go away since it only seems to be existing to annoy hobbyist VMS users. What if every DECUS member simply did not extend or renew their membership? Can it be assumed that funding for DECUS would simply dry up and DECUS would be no longer? If so, then VMS hobbyist licenses would be "up in the air" so to speak. With Compaq now having been sucked up into HP, and HP probably not giving a damn either way, my guess is that hobbyist VMS use would be relegated to a "public domain" model. Is there a lapse in my reasoning anywhere here? I just see no reason at this point why DECUS needs to be, and why people need to pay money to use VMS in a hobbyist mode. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From healyzh at aracnet.com Tue Feb 10 23:39:16 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: from "Vintage Computer Festival" at Feb 10, 2004 09:23:51 PM Message-ID: <200402110539.i1B5dGk7003075@onyx.spiritone.com> > > > Does DECUS also still supply licenses for commercial use of VMS? If so, > > > does anyone have an idea of what their licensed user base is for that? > > > > As far as I know, they've never supplied licenses for Commercial Use of > > OpenVMS. That would be DEC/Compaq/HP. DECUS/Encompass is simply a User > > Group. > > Ok, then I can say quite imperiously that DECUS needs to go away since it > only seems to be existing to annoy hobbyist VMS users. Your reasoning really boggles the mind. Have you bothered to look at http://www.encompassus.org/ before making these statements? The OpenVMS Hobbyist Program is a really *tiny* aspect of Encompass. > Is there a lapse in my reasoning anywhere here? > > I just see no reason at this point why DECUS needs to be, and why people > need to pay money to use VMS in a hobbyist mode. They DO NOT have to pay money! You can get FREE MEMBERSHIP that entitles you to use OpenVMS! As for PAYING money, HP *STILL* charges people to use Tru64 Unix in a "hobbyist mode". Zane From doc at mdrconsult.com Tue Feb 10 23:50:05 2004 From: doc at mdrconsult.com (Doc Shipley) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Kinda OT: Adaptec AHA-2920A BIOS utility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24824AB6-5C56-11D8-9153-000A95A6B97A@mdrconsult.com> On Feb 10, 2004, at 10:39 PM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Andrew Prince wrote: > >> On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 22:27, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >>> Is there a BIOS utility on the Adaptec AHA-2920A SCSI card? If so, >>> how >>> does one enter it? >> >> I'm not sure if it does, the manual I just downlaoded from Adaptec >> didn't really say. > > Me too. As you found, it wasn't very helpful in this regard. I'm not sure about the AHA2920, but the 2930 had a configuration program on floppy. You might look for a configuration program on Adaptec's FTP archive. BTW, I am sure neither card is bootable. Doc From ckotter at gmx.at Tue Feb 10 15:02:18 2004 From: ckotter at gmx.at (Christoph Kotter) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: HP 9845B Message-ID: <000901c3f019$2d06b9d0$e685fea9@arbeitstier> Hi, my company is about to through away this computer. Do you need it ? From K6OKL at aol.com Tue Feb 10 20:09:46 2004 From: K6OKL at aol.com (K6OKL@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Intel iUP-201 Message-ID: <57.27adba52.2d5ae8ea@aol.com> Hello Dwight- Google led me to your discussion with Gilis in the Netherlands a while back and I thought you might be able to help with a little problem I have if you were willing. I borrowed an iUP-201 from a friend and it seemed to initialize OK. After I plugged in a 27128 ROM to see what was in it, the unit froze and now gives a "Power Supply Failure" display and won't do anything else. I looked inside to see what the four power supplies were up to and it appears two of them turn on with commands from the F27/128 module, and were not doing so. The only documentation I have is a Pocket Programmer Reference and it's not much help. Do you have any suggestions on how I might troubleshoot this machine or at least get some documentation on it? Thanks for your help... Walt Lindell k6okl@aol.com From rrickey at yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 13:32:41 2004 From: rrickey at yahoo.com (Rob Rickey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Realistic MPA 100 Message-ID: <20040210193241.6020.qmail@web11509.mail.yahoo.com> Hiya Chris! Just purchased the MPA 100 without a manual. I got your name from a google site. Do you still have it available that you could email it to me? Thanks, Rob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online From waltje at pdp11.nl Wed Feb 11 04:50:08 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > What if every DECUS member simply did not extend or renew their > membership? Can it be assumed that funding for DECUS would simply dry up > and DECUS would be no longer? Probably, at some point. > If so, then VMS hobbyist licenses would be "up in the air" so to speak. No, HP would probably allow Montagar or other groupsto handle the issue. > With Compaq now having been sucked up into HP, and HP probably not giving > a damn either way, my guess is that hobbyist VMS use would be relegated to > a "public domain" model. Hah. > Is there a lapse in my reasoning anywhere here? Yes. HP Does Not Believe In Public Domain. > I just see no reason at this point why DECUS needs to be, and why people > need to pay money to use VMS in a hobbyist mode. Right. --f From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 11 06:23:23 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Kinda OT: Adaptec AHA-2920A BIOS utility? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040211072323.00814490@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> The 2940 has a BIOS and you use a Control A to enter it. Joe At 07:27 PM 2/10/04 -0800, you wrote: > >Is there a BIOS utility on the Adaptec AHA-2920A SCSI card? If so, how >does one enter it? > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > > From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Wed Feb 11 06:51:23 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <4029BC18.9000909@jcwren.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of J.C. Wren > Sent: 11 February 2004 05:23 > To: General@jupiter.easily.co.uk; > Discussion@jupiter.easily.co.uk:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. > Or is it?) > > I think your understanding of operating systems and PC > architecture is flawed. It sounds like typical knee-jerk MS bashing. Not really, I'm running Win2K Pro here on a 'standard' system with half a gig of RAM which requires me to have a gig's worth of pagefile. Why? Surely half a gig is enough memory to have all my running processes in memory at the same time, even if they're inactive? According to the task manager I've got 210mb 'free', so everything that's running now should stay running and not get swapped out, but it does. Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From jcwren at jcwren.com Wed Feb 11 07:43:21 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402A3179.8090602@jcwren.com> Witchy wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org >>[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of J.C. Wren >>Sent: 11 February 2004 05:23 >>To: General@jupiter.easily.co.uk; >>Discussion@jupiter.easily.co.uk:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >>Subject: Re: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. >>Or is it?) >> >>I think your understanding of operating systems and PC >>architecture is flawed. It sounds like typical knee-jerk MS bashing. >> >> > >Not really, I'm running Win2K Pro here on a 'standard' system with half a >gig of RAM which requires me to have a gig's worth of pagefile. Why? Surely >half a gig is enough memory to have all my running processes in memory at >the same time, even if they're inactive? According to the task manager I've >got 210mb 'free', so everything that's running now should stay running and >not get swapped out, but it does. > >Cheers > >-- >Adrian/Witchy >Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs >www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum >www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( > > > No, because just like Linux, idle processes will be swapped out to leave memory available for immediate demands, primarily buffers. Task manager doesn't reflect what portion of memory is used for what purposes very accurately. IIRC, there's a tool out on < http://www.sysinternals.com > that gives a more detailed view of what is allocated where. --jc From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Wed Feb 11 08:02:52 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: <402A3179.8090602@jcwren.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of J.C. Wren > Sent: 11 February 2004 13:43 > To: General@deimos.easily.co.uk; > Discussion@deimos.easily.co.uk:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. > Or is it?) > > No, because just like Linux, idle processes will be swapped > out to leave > memory available for immediate demands, primarily buffers. Task > manager doesn't reflect what portion of memory is used for > what purposes very accurately. IIRC, there's a tool out on < > http://www.sysinternals.com > that gives a more detailed view > of what is allocated where. Thanks, I'd forgotten about sysinternals...... Cheers w From allain at panix.com Wed Feb 11 08:01:20 2004 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help References: Message-ID: <005901c3f0a7$874d4a60$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> > Ok, then I can say quite imperiously that DECUS needs to go away > since it only seems to be existing to annoy hobbyist VMS users. . . . > Is there a lapse in my reasoning anywhere here? Well, there's free, there's commercial ($$) and there's inbetween. Looks like hobbyist is trying to position itself as a low-cost instead of free service. Certainly better than high-cost or nothing. Maybe they simply wanted to convert a money losing department into a break-even one. John A. From geoffr at zipcon.net Wed Feb 11 08:15:10 2004 From: geoffr at zipcon.net (Geoff Reed) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Kinda OT: Adaptec AHA-2920A BIOS utility? In-Reply-To: References: <1076462151.2078.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040211061442.03f4a0d0@mail.zipcon.net> post a pic of your card... I haven't looked at a 2920A recently... At 08:39 PM 2/10/2004, you wrote: >On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Andrew Prince wrote: > > > On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 22:27, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > Is there a BIOS utility on the Adaptec AHA-2920A SCSI card? If so, how > > > does one enter it? > > > > I'm not sure if it does, the manual I just downlaoded from Adaptec > > didn't really say. > >Me too. As you found, it wasn't very helpful in this regard. > > > How to get into it, if it has one, is when you see the card's POST > > messages, hit ctrl-a. That should get you in, as long as you are on a PC > > style box. I don't know if this will work on an Alpha or anything else. > > I do know this won't work on a Mac. > >I already tried that and it didn't work. I'm thinking it just does not >have a BIOS like other Adaptec cards do, but I wanted to be sure. > >Thanks! > >-- > >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > >[ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] >[ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From allain at panix.com Wed Feb 11 08:10:49 2004 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) References: <057701c3f043$985e5560$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> <4029BC18.9000909@jcwren.com> Message-ID: <006301c3f0a8$daa193a0$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> >> MS must take out at least 3/4 of the machine power. > I think your understanding of operating systems and PC > architecture is flawed. It sounds like typical knee-jerk MS > bashing. Well, I've been using both MS and non-MS systems for over 10 years each. My statement is based on 1/ the generic demands of any windowing system, which are a compute drag, 2/ the specific history of MS as being a leader in clumsy engineering ("bloatware" and other factors) 3/ the model used at Cray itself, where the compute engine was separated and I/O was given over to an outside processor. John A. From pkoning at equallogic.com Wed Feb 11 08:21:58 2004 From: pkoning at equallogic.com (Paul Koning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) References: <057701c3f043$985e5560$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> Message-ID: <16426.14982.213000.222429@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "John" == John Allain writes: >> That is exactly why I *still* run critical or security-sensitive >> stuff on such platforms. It leaves those kiddies with a severe >> headache. :) John> At last! A motivation behind all this. I was beginning to John> wonder. John> I saw a digital animation festival last night and was thinking John> of getting a new compute server. By my calculations a midsized John> PC passed even the CRAY-1 in compute speed sometime in 2002, John> give or take a year. It probably would require a stripped down John> O/S to do the computing. MS must take out at least 3/4 of the John> machine power. So run Linux... It's not clear if your comparison is right when you look at floating point arithmetic, especially vector arithmetic. paul From kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com Wed Feb 11 09:03:58 2004 From: kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com (Bruce Lane) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: DATA I/O PROM Programmer In-Reply-To: <.206.184.248.70.1076429431.squirrel@login.pegasus.lunarpages.com> References: <.206.184.248.70.1076429431.squirrel@login.pegasus.lunarpages.com> Message-ID: <200402110703580204.04BA1966@192.168.42.129> Good day, *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10-Feb-04 at 08:10 classiccmp@vintage-computer.com wrote: >Is anyone familiar with a DATA I/O MPD 60A Programmer? The model 60 is very limited in its device support, and has long since had zero support from Data I/O. If you're serious about getting a decent device programmer, there's a couple of Unisites up for auction on E-pay at the moment. Just do a search for "Data I/O -(sony,memory,stick)" (Exactly as it looks, complete with parentheses but without the quotes), and you'll turn them up. If you do end up getting a Unisite, get back in touch with me. I can be of further help in getting it going. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 11 10:02:22 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <200402110539.i1B5dGk7003075@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > > Does DECUS also still supply licenses for commercial use of VMS? If so, > > > > does anyone have an idea of what their licensed user base is for that? > > > > > > As far as I know, they've never supplied licenses for Commercial Use of > > > OpenVMS. That would be DEC/Compaq/HP. DECUS/Encompass is simply a User > > > Group. > > > > Ok, then I can say quite imperiously that DECUS needs to go away since it > > only seems to be existing to annoy hobbyist VMS users. > > Your reasoning really boggles the mind. Have you bothered to look at > http://www.encompassus.org/ before making these statements? The OpenVMS > Hobbyist Program is a really *tiny* aspect of Encompass. No, I didn't. And having checked, it looks like a general users group for OpenVMS. Ok. What I have been querying about is why hobbyists really need to pay money to use VMS "legally". Does this apply to ALL versions of VMS or just OpenVMS? If it's just for OpenVMS then I can understand that. But if someone wants to copy an older version of VMS from someone else to run their VAX 11/780 and connect it to the internet, would that be "illegal"? > > I just see no reason at this point why DECUS needs to be, and why people > > need to pay money to use VMS in a hobbyist mode. > > They DO NOT have to pay money! You can get FREE MEMBERSHIP that entitles > you to use OpenVMS! I see, you get that through this site: http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From dan_williams at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 11 10:17:48 2004 From: dan_williams at ntlworld.com (Dan Williams) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402A55AC.2010104@ntlworld.com> Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Zane H. Healy wrote: > > > >What I have been querying about is why hobbyists really need to pay money >to use VMS "legally". Does this apply to ALL versions of VMS or just >OpenVMS? If it's just for OpenVMS then I can understand that. But if >someone wants to copy an older version of VMS from someone else to run >their VAX 11/780 and connect it to the internet, would that be "illegal"? > > > I would asssume that it would be illegal if caught, but would it run. I know the latest versions of vms need a valid cluster, vms and decnet license to run. What version did this start at, or did all versions require a license before starting. Dan From allain at panix.com Wed Feb 11 10:25:29 2004 From: allain at panix.com (John Allain) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) References: <057701c3f043$985e5560$21fe54a6@ibm23xhr06> <16426.14982.213000.222429@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <04be01c3f0bb$accd6b80$8a0101ac@ibm23xhr06> > So run Linux... > It's not clear if your comparison is right when you look > at floating point arithmetic, especially vector arithmetic. The date of passage is more like 2005-2006. When you consider that the largest compute problems solved anywhere on earth 30 years ago could be solved on any old podunk desktop, it gets a little shocking, and I probably reacted too quickly (and botched the calc.). Still, it's basically next year. Not clear but not far off either. A Cray-1 wasn't exactly a CM-1 in terms of architectural oddity. And agreed Linux Is great and getting more so. John A. From arcarlini at iee.org Wed Feb 11 11:52:04 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01c3f0c7$cace4620$5b01a8c0@athlon> > Does DECUS also still supply licenses for commercial use of > VMS? If so, does anyone have an idea of what their licensed > user base is for that? Did DECUS *ever* supply licences for commercial use of OpenVMS? I know some DEC Partners could do so at some point (probably subject to some restrictions, like it had to be with new hardware perhaps), but I've never heard of DECUS doing that. Even with the Hobbyist program, it's not DECUS that ships (shipped) the licences; the Montagar people use a DECUS membership number as a prerequisite (I guess because when this was all set up the prime movers were also involved with their local DECUS chapters). Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From arcarlini at iee.org Wed Feb 11 12:01:33 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c3f0c9$1ff5efd0$5b01a8c0@athlon> > No, I didn't. And having checked, it looks like a general > users group for OpenVMS. Ok. It was the DEC (business) USER group, so anything DEC or DEC-related goes. These days that would leave mostly OpenVMS and Tru64 but in days of yore RSX-11 and RSTS and RT-11 and the rest would have featured. > I see, you get that through this site: >http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/ I'm not sure if you now realise that it's free, or still believe that money needs to change hands. Step 1 (JOIN ...) can be done for free (I managed from the UK), and the rest are either optional or merely require a number of electrons to move far enoughfor a few emails to go back and forth. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From jos.mar at bluewin.ch Wed Feb 11 12:05:23 2004 From: jos.mar at bluewin.ch (Jos Dreesen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: HP 9845B In-Reply-To: <000901c3f019$2d06b9d0$e685fea9@arbeitstier> Message-ID: Christoph Kotter heeft op dinsdag, 10 feb 2004 om 22:02 (Europe/Zurich) het volgende geschreven: > Hi, > > my company is about to through away this computer. > Do you need it ? > Du konntest diese Maschine in der newsgruppe de.alt.folklore.computer anbieten, da gibt es sicherlich Abnemer. mfg Jos Dreesen, Zurich From dwight.elvey at amd.com Wed Feb 11 12:06:51 2004 From: dwight.elvey at amd.com (Dwight K. Elvey) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Intel iUP-201 Message-ID: <200402111806.KAA10707@clulw009.amd.com> >From: K6OKL@aol.com > >Hello Dwight- > >Google led me to your discussion with Gilis in the Netherlands a while back >and >I thought you might be able to help with a little problem I have if you were >willing. > >I borrowed an iUP-201 from a friend and it seemed to initialize OK. After I >plugged >in a 27128 ROM to see what was in it, the unit froze and now gives a "Power >Supply Failure" display and won't do anything else. > >I looked inside to see what the four power supplies were up to and it appears >two >of them turn on with commands from the F27/128 module, and were not doing so. Hi I don't have enough information on the insides to help you here. Maybe Joe Rigdon can help. You'll need to get schematics. Dwight > > >The only documentation I have is a Pocket Programmer Reference and it's not >much >help. Do you have any suggestions on how I might troubleshoot this machine >or >at least get some documentation on it? > >Thanks for your help... > >Walt Lindell k6okl@aol.com > From arcarlini at iee.org Wed Feb 11 12:13:20 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <402A55AC.2010104@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <002f01c3f0ca$c2e603a0$5b01a8c0@athlon> > I would asssume that it would be illegal if caught, but would > it run. I > know the latest versions of vms need a valid cluster, vms and decnet > license to run. What version did this start at, or did all versions > require a license before starting. Before the LMF came in (V5.0 for VMS, I forget what version of Ultrix it started with), the OS would install and run but not allow logins from anywhere other than the console until you installed a licence key tape. This was a kit that just patched LOGINOUT.EXE to change the maximum number of users that would be allowed in. A similar kit changed DECnet functionality from (IIRC) no external connections, through "end node" to "full routing node". I don't think there was anything to stop you handing the kit over to someone else who could then reuse it (other than prison, of course). Remember that in those days trhe smallest machine was a VAX-11/725 and a VAX-11/750 was a more practical minimum size. By the time you'd paid for the hardware (and the air-conditioned room and the 50MB winchesters etc.) you were unlikely to run risk your business and/or University department to save a little added cost. I think the LMF stuff came about for a few reasons that all coincided. The MicroVAX stuff meant smaller departments would begin to buy machines and they would be quite likely to be stuffed into a corner and not managed much (if at all). The advent of the CDROM for distribution meant that there was a need to find a way to stop someone "accidentally" installing everything under the Sun and then claiming that they'd forgotten it was there and noone ever used it anyway. As a security mechanism, LMF is pretty poor. As a way of forcing you to go out of your way to break the law in a way that it is hard to later acknowledge your actions, it is pretty good! Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From marvin at rain.org Wed Feb 11 12:29:36 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor Message-ID: <402A7490.6B18F6B3@rain.org> I just ran across this Xerox monitor, and don't recognize it. Is this anything I should keep? http://www.rain.org/~marvin/xerox.jpg From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Wed Feb 11 12:32:24 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: <002c01c3f0c9$1ff5efd0$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini > Sent: 11 February 2004 18:02 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help > > I'm not sure if you now realise that it's free, or still > believe that money needs to change hands. > > Step 1 (JOIN ...) can be done for free (I managed from the > UK), and the rest are either optional or merely require a > number of electrons to move far enoughfor a few emails to go > back and forth. Which group did you pick? Going to DECUS-UK lets you subscribe to the site for free, whilst going to ENCOMPASS-US does let you register at non-associate level to get the Hobbyist license but requires an associate ID before you start?! Or would HP get upset if I was using the licenses that were on my Alpha 3000-400 when I got it.....I have the paper copies but they don't have my name at the top..... Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From jwstephens at msm.umr.edu Wed Feb 11 12:36:46 2004 From: jwstephens at msm.umr.edu (jim) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: 7 track drive located! References: <200402100609.i1A69SLK006888@spies.com> <00e301c3efe7$0640cde0$033310ac@kwcorp.com> Message-ID: <402A763E.40563B26@msm.umr.edu> Al, Jay, you may be able to pull this off with the HP 16500 and State mode output. If you get the 4mb deep trace, you would have a fairly long buffer of data, and might be able to read some long records. If you can get the 16600 or the 16500C with a 16505 remote unit, you can run the analyzer interactively with a linux box and I assume trigger the tape unit to move and stop, so you could essentially digitize the length of the tape. The 16600 analyzer state info would already be able to give you the digital output shown in the link below. Jim Jay West wrote: > Al wrote... > > The plan is to reproduce the setup Paul Pierce has.. Seven high speed A/D > > converters off the head preamps and a lot of DSP software. > > > http://www.piercefuller.com/collect/a7tv.html > > That is just way too cool. Ya'll rock! :) > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From marvin at rain.org Wed Feb 11 12:37:54 2004 From: marvin at rain.org (Marvin Johnston) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor References: <402A7490.6B18F6B3@rain.org> Message-ID: <402A7682.CF77BECF@rain.org> Oops, just found the machine it goes with (something about 10"wide x 30" high x 36" deep) so I won't toss it now in any case. But I still don't recognize it, and the same question applies. > I just ran across this Xerox monitor, and don't recognize it. Is this > anything I should keep? > > http://www.rain.org/~marvin/xerox.jpg From healyzh at aracnet.com Wed Feb 11 12:45:41 2004 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Not really, I'm running Win2K Pro here on a 'standard' system with half a >gig of RAM which requires me to have a gig's worth of pagefile. Why? Surely >half a gig is enough memory to have all my running processes in memory at >the same time, even if they're inactive? According to the task manager I've >got 210mb 'free', so everything that's running now should stay running and >not get swapped out, but it does. Does Win2K Pro actually *require* you to have that pagefile? I honestly don't know (between 3.1 and XP I didn't use Windows), however, I do know that in WinXP Pro you can turn that pagefile off. I found that with both my wife and I logged in and using the system lightly that could be done with 512Mb, but when I started running heavy memory apps I started to have problems, sinc I've now upgraded the system to 1Gb, and my wife only uses our G5 PowerMac now, I've not had any further problems with having swapping turned off. Now Mac OS X on the other hand seems to have some seriously UGLY swapping (and RAM) requirements (I normally ran Mac OS 9 with swapping turned off), and the system doesn't start feeling usable until you have 768MB RAM or more. Still in spite of this flaw, I'd much rather use our Mac :^) Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 11 12:45:39 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor In-Reply-To: <402A7490.6B18F6B3@rain.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Marvin Johnston wrote: > I just ran across this Xerox monitor, and don't recognize it. Is this > anything I should keep? > > http://www.rain.org/~marvin/xerox.jpg Looks odd. I've never seen one before. It looks Alto-ish. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From pkoning at equallogic.com Wed Feb 11 12:50:05 2004 From: pkoning at equallogic.com (Paul Koning) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor References: <402A7490.6B18F6B3@rain.org> <402A7682.CF77BECF@rain.org> Message-ID: <16426.31069.561187.517547@gargle.gargle.HOWL> >>>>> "Marvin" == Marvin Johnston writes: Marvin> Oops, just found the machine it goes with (something about Marvin> 10"wide x 30" high x 36" deep) so I won't toss it now in any Marvin> case. But I still don't recognize it, and the same question Marvin> applies. >> I just ran across this Xerox monitor, and don't recognize it. Is >> this anything I should keep? >> >> http://www.rain.org/~marvin/xerox.jpg Looks like one of the XEROX workstations, perhaps a STAR or a relative? Check the collection at http://www.digibarn.com/collections/index.html . paul From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 11 12:55:34 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:21 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor In-Reply-To: <402A7490.6B18F6B3@rain.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040211135534.00896aa0@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> I THINK I saw some of these on some systems in a junkyard a few years ago. They appeared to be dedicated word processors. Joe At 10:29 AM 2/11/04 -0800, you wrote: > >I just ran across this Xerox monitor, and don't recognize it. Is this >anything I should keep? > >http://www.rain.org/~marvin/xerox.jpg > From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Wed Feb 11 13:18:54 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. Or is it?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy > Sent: 11 February 2004 18:46 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Yay - new DEC arrival (not *strictly* on topic. > Or is it?) > > Does Win2K Pro actually *require* you to have that pagefile? According to 'performance' sites, yes. Haven't tried turning one of them off mind - I've got one on the sys disk and the other on a data disk. It's a quick reboot to turn one off.... > started to have problems, sinc I've now upgraded the system > to 1Gb, and my wife only uses our G5 PowerMac now, I've not > had any further problems with having swapping turned off. Hmm. *ponder*. > with swapping turned off), and the system doesn't start > feeling usable until you have 768MB RAM or more. Still in > spite of this flaw, I'd much rather use our Mac :^) As soon as I get another job I'm buying one :) Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From rigdonj at cfl.rr.com Wed Feb 11 12:53:23 2004 From: rigdonj at cfl.rr.com (Joe R.) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Intel iUP-201 In-Reply-To: <200402111806.KAA10707@clulw009.amd.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040211135323.008ba680@pop-server.cfl.rr.com> At 10:06 AM 2/11/04 -0800, you wrote: > >>From: K6OKL@aol.com >> >>Hello Dwight- >> >>Google led me to your discussion with Gilis in the Netherlands a while back >>and >>I thought you might be able to help with a little problem I have if you were >>willing. >> >>I borrowed an iUP-201 from a friend and it seemed to initialize OK. After I >>plugged >>in a 27128 ROM to see what was in it, the unit froze and now gives a "Power >>Supply Failure" display and won't do anything else. >> >>I looked inside to see what the four power supplies were up to and it appears >>two >>of them turn on with commands from the F27/128 module, and were not doing so. > >Hi > I don't have enough information on the insides to help you here. >Maybe Joe Rigdon can help. You'll need to get schematics. >Dwight > Sorry I don't have schematics either. But I do have a dead 201 so I could use schematics too. Dave Mabry may have some. I'll check. Joe From lists at microvax.org Wed Feb 11 13:52:31 2004 From: lists at microvax.org (meltie) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402111952.32404.lists@microvax.org> On Wednesday 11 February 2004 18:32, Witchy wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini > > Sent: 11 February 2004 18:02 > > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: RE: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help > > > > I'm not sure if you now realise that it's free, or still > > believe that money needs to change hands. > > > > Step 1 (JOIN ...) can be done for free (I managed from the > > UK), and the rest are either optional or merely require a > > number of electrons to move far enoughfor a few emails to go > > back and forth. > > Which group did you pick? Going to DECUS-UK lets you subscribe to the > site for free, whilst going to ENCOMPASS-US does let you register at > non-associate level to get the Hobbyist license but requires an > associate ID before you start?! Join ENCOMPASS-US at Associate level for free: http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.html *looks* ooer, you're right - it asks for an Associate ID. I don't remember this bit! Tried putting a generic login-name for yourself? eg: "witchy" ? alex/melt From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 11 14:17:52 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor In-Reply-To: <402A7682.CF77BECF@rain.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Marvin Johnston wrote: > Oops, just found the machine it goes with (something about 10"wide x 30" > high x 36" deep) so I won't toss it now in any case. But I still don't > recognize it, and the same question applies. Oh, that sounds like a Xerox WYSIWYG word processor. I can't remember the model number but its definitely worth hanging on to. It is descended somewhat from the Alto line. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From pcw at mesanet.com Wed Feb 11 14:28:35 2004 From: pcw at mesanet.com (Peter C. Wallace) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > > Oops, just found the machine it goes with (something about 10"wide x 30" > > high x 36" deep) so I won't toss it now in any case. But I still don't > > recognize it, and the same question applies. > > Oh, that sounds like a Xerox WYSIWYG word processor. I can't remember the > model number but its definitely worth hanging on to. It is descended > somewhat from the Alto line. Monitor looks like maybe a from a 860, dont believe thats related to Alto/Star etc... Peter Wallace From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 11 15:12:40 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > Oh, that sounds like a Xerox WYSIWYG word processor. I can't remember the > > model number but its definitely worth hanging on to. It is descended > > somewhat from the Alto line. > > Monitor looks like maybe a from a 860, dont believe thats related to > Alto/Star etc... Yap, that's the model. I say it is "descended somewhat" from the Alto line in that it used some of the same GUI technology. Here's some links: DigiBarn's photos http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/xerox860/index.html old-computers.com write-up http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=488 Neither has any extensive write-up of the 860. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From jcwren at jcwren.com Wed Feb 11 16:00:25 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Altair 8800B sells for $2651 Message-ID: <402AA5F9.4020809@jcwren.com> That Altair that was on eBay < http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2784770538 > sold for $2651. Sheesh. I have no real idea of their value, but my gut feeling was it was going to go between $1400 and $1700. $2651 surprised me. --jc From brad at heeltoe.com Wed Feb 11 16:00:58 2004 From: brad at heeltoe.com (Brad Parker) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: ever de-rack a TS11? Message-ID: <200402112200.i1BM0wh32248@mwave.heeltoe.com> Has anyone ever removed a TS-11 from a rack? Any advice? I assume the first thing to do it to remove the door (after disconnecting all the cables :-) Once the door is odd it looks like the front screws will allow the frame to slide forward and out. Is the frame heavy? (i.e. can one person remove it?) -brad From brad at heeltoe.com Wed Feb 11 16:24:49 2004 From: brad at heeltoe.com (Brad Parker) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: huge 2 bay 19" rack with 2x 6000btu a/c built in Message-ID: <200402112224.i1BMOnN32658@mwave.heeltoe.com> I, um, well, ended up with a vax 11/730 from a military site. I'm removing all the boxes from the racks and what's left is a *very* robust cabinet on wheels containing two 19" racks and two 6000 btu a/c units on the back. There are plexi doors on the front and the whole thing seals up very tight. Quite the thing if you have sensative equipment you want to rack mount and keep cool in a harsh environment. The A/C units are 115VAC. I don't know if they actually work but they sure look like they do. The units are a little dirty but in fine shape mechanically. And they have a nifty "d-i-g-i-t-a-l" logo on the front in blue and red. The whole thing is wired up with nice DEC power modules and power switches on the front. If anyone on the east coast would like these units, please call/email me. I may try to sell them on ebay (hah) but I thought I'd mention it here. Most likely I'll have to pay someone to haul them away :-) I suspect they weight a few hundred pounds empty but have large wheels so they can roll easily. I can provide a picture in a few days once I'm done de-racking. (and, woo - hoo - I now have an RL02! :-) -brad From mmcfadden at cmh.edu Wed Feb 11 16:27:53 2004 From: mmcfadden at cmh.edu (McFadden, Mike) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: DECUS (Was Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) Message-ID: David V. Corbin" wrote >It is interesting how times change. When I was heavily involved in DECUS >['77-'91] it was a resource who's worth was almost beyond calculation. Now I >hear these types of discussions. > >On a related front, makes me wonder why I keep up my IEEE >membership.......... > > >David. I just dropped my IEEE membership after 30 years. Mike From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 11 16:38:59 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Altair 8800B sells for $2651 In-Reply-To: <402AA5F9.4020809@jcwren.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, J.C. Wren wrote: > That Altair that was on eBay < > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2784770538 > sold for > $2651. Sheesh. > > I have no real idea of their value, but my gut feeling was it was going > to go between $1400 and $1700. $2651 surprised me. It's a B model even. The disk drive subsystem that comes with it looks to be in ratty shape, but it does have software is a plus. The ADM 3A+ is not that hard to find. "Winning bidder must pick up!" Overall, a decent system, but I would agree that $2651 is way too high. $1,400-$1,500 is certainly more like it. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From waltje at pdp11.nl Wed Feb 11 17:23:15 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: huge 2 bay 19" rack with 2x 6000btu a/c built in In-Reply-To: <200402112224.i1BMOnN32658@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Brad Parker wrote: > I, um, well, ended up with a vax 11/730 from a military site. Nice find!!! > mechanically. And they have a nifty "d-i-g-i-t-a-l" logo on the front > in blue and red. The whole thing is wired up with nice DEC power > modules and power switches on the front. Coool! Pictures wanted, indeed! --f From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Wed Feb 11 17:52:58 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: huge 2 bay 19" rack with 2x 6000btu a/c built in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred N. van Kempen > Sent: 11 February 2004 23:23 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: huge 2 bay 19" rack with 2x 6000btu a/c built in > > On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Brad Parker wrote: > > > I, um, well, ended up with a vax 11/730 from a military site. > Nice find!!! > > > mechanically. And they have a nifty "d-i-g-i-t-a-l" logo > on the front > > in blue and red. The whole thing is wired up with nice DEC power > > modules and power switches on the front. > Coool! Pictures wanted, indeed! I know I'm replying to Fred here but I've deleted Brad's message for some reason - was this the pair of cabs that someone on here mentioned last week or so? Sounds very familiar and fridge-like...... Cheers w From dvcorbin at optonline.net Wed Feb 11 20:43:50 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: huge 2 bay 19" rack with 2x 6000btu a/c built in In-Reply-To: <200402112224.i1BMOnN32658@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: I am interested. Don't know if it will work out, but definately interested. Long Island. NY Looking forward to hearing from you. David V. Corbin dvcorbin@optonline.net -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Brad Parker Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:25 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: huge 2 bay 19" rack with 2x 6000btu a/c built in I, um, well, ended up with a vax 11/730 from a military site. I'm removing all the boxes from the racks and what's left is a *very* robust cabinet on wheels containing two 19" racks and two 6000 btu a/c units on the back. There are plexi doors on the front and the whole thing seals up very tight. Quite the thing if you have sensative equipment you want to rack mount and keep cool in a harsh environment. The A/C units are 115VAC. I don't know if they actually work but they sure look like they do. The units are a little dirty but in fine shape mechanically. And they have a nifty "d-i-g-i-t-a-l" logo on the front in blue and red. The whole thing is wired up with nice DEC power modules and power switches on the front. If anyone on the east coast would like these units, please call/email me. I may try to sell them on ebay (hah) but I thought I'd mention it here. Most likely I'll have to pay someone to haul them away :-) I suspect they weight a few hundred pounds empty but have large wheels so they can roll easily. I can provide a picture in a few days once I'm done de-racking. (and, woo - hoo - I now have an RL02! :-) -brad From d_cymbal at hotmail.com Wed Feb 11 21:29:17 2004 From: d_cymbal at hotmail.com (Damien Cymbal) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: vintage vacuum tube electronic test equipment Message-ID: If anyone is interested in the following, it is free for pickup (in the neighborhood of Salem, NH I believe). Please contact Marty at: mpdts20004@yahoo.com ===== > Hickok mdl 539B tube tester W/crt adapter > Dumont mdl 304-A o'scope > HP mdl 623B frequency/time counter > EICO mdl 304 signal generator (I built from a kit while attending Mass Radio School in 1961) > > Note: I haven't used any of this equipment since the 70's. From brad at heeltoe.com Wed Feb 11 21:39:01 2004 From: brad at heeltoe.com (Brad Parker) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: huge 2 bay 19" rack with 2x 6000btu a/c built in In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:43:50 EST." Message-ID: <200402120339.i1C3d1v04458@mwave.heeltoe.com> "David V. Corbin" wrote: >I am interested. Don't know if it will work out, but definately interested. I'm outside Boston - is that too far? >Long Island. NY -brad From sastevens at earthlink.net Wed Feb 11 21:40:11 2004 From: sastevens at earthlink.net (Scott Stevens) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Fluke 8100A manual In-Reply-To: <200402100321.i1A3KqOH000372@huey.classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040211223330.05d3dab0@pop.earthlink.net> At 09:21 PM 2/9/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Anybody have one they would be willing to copy for this nixie multimeter? > >Thanks, >David Gesswein >http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights. I don't have a Fluke 8100 anymore, but at one point I did. Just a warning from my experience with it: Be very careful working inside that meter. Fluke was fairly casual about the routing of the high voltage traces. Well, probably not in terms of performance - it's a great meter - but certainly in terms of safety and reliability. I had several of those meters and at one point a solder splash hit just the wrong spot on the circuit when the meter was open, and the next time it was powered up it pumped the high Nixie voltage into the low voltage circuit. It let out a lot of smoke. The high voltage lines (at least one of them) are routed right through the board unprotected and uninsulated. Scott -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.581 / Virus Database: 368 - Release Date: 2/9/2004 From bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca Wed Feb 11 21:51:44 2004 From: bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca (ben franchuk) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Straight 8 -- front panel repair References: <9B832BEB407A774AA0520CCFC2322197020CE936@CXOEXC11.AMERICAS.CPQCORP.NET> Message-ID: <402AF850.5080706@jetnet.ab.ca> McCollum, Peter wrote: > Hi all, > Just joined up. > I have a straight-8 in the garage (not working, but repairable I think) with an ASR-33. No other perpherals. > Also have an 8-E (almost working I think). It has several option/IO cards in it, but no actual perpherals. > > I started with DEC in 1981, in a Test Engineering group for Storage. > > Here's my first question: > What should I do about the glass on the straight-8 front panel? The paint markings are peeling off. > Is there a recommended way to preserve it? > Or, has anyone made a graphic template that can be used to print a new panel, and put it behind a piece of plain glass? > > Regards, > Pete You need to get in touch with this guy about getting your straight 8 working. His 8 has suffered major damage and needs major parts like a core memory and backplane and front panel. See this web site for details. http://nisler.org/crash/ ** warning -- not for the faint hearted ** I am also posting this to classic computers since a lot of people have 8's there. A replacement front panel and other parts may be a good group effort for the people that still have straight 8's. Ben. From nospam212-classiccmp at yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 22:17:01 2004 From: nospam212-classiccmp at yahoo.com (nospam212-classiccmp@yahoo.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: APF Imagination Machine In-Reply-To: <004701c3eccc$e708c120$0300a8c0@look.ca> Message-ID: <20040212041701.35015.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> Any ideas on the value of an APF Imagination Machine with a few carts and cassette tapes? Can't find either of my collectible computer books to get and idea so I thought I'd try asking here. Found one of my books just now that rates it between $25-$50 but I suspect this is worth more than that. No box but the software and manuals. Any thoughts? Thanks. ===== ----- "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, then and only then can we know things as they are." David Williams dlwfanservice@sbcglobal.com From curt at atarimuseum.com Wed Feb 11 22:24:46 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: APF Imagination Machine In-Reply-To: <20040212041701.35015.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040212041701.35015.qmail@web80506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402B000E.8020906@atarimuseum.com> Definitely in the $100+ range, with games obviously more... if you had the original box, well then.... Curt nospam212-classiccmp@yahoo.com wrote: >Any ideas on the value of an APF Imagination Machine >with a few carts and cassette tapes? Can't find >either of my collectible computer books to get and >idea so I thought I'd try asking here. Found one of >my books just now that rates it between $25-$50 but I >suspect this is worth more than that. No box but the >software and manuals. Any thoughts? > >Thanks. > > >===== >----- > "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, then and only then can we > know things as they are." > >David Williams >dlwfanservice@sbcglobal.com > > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 11 23:17:33 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Straight 8 -- front panel repair In-Reply-To: <402AF850.5080706@jetnet.ab.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, ben franchuk wrote: > McCollum, Peter wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just joined up. > > I have a straight-8 in the garage (not working, but repairable I think) with an ASR-33. No other perpherals. > > Also have an 8-E (almost working I think). It has several option/IO cards in it, but no actual perpherals. > > > > I started with DEC in 1981, in a Test Engineering group for Storage. > > > > Here's my first question: > > What should I do about the glass on the straight-8 front panel? The paint markings are peeling off. > > Is there a recommended way to preserve it? > > Or, has anyone made a graphic template that can be used to print a new panel, and put it behind a piece of plain glass? > > > > Regards, > > Pete > > You need to get in touch with this guy about getting your straight 8 > working. His 8 has suffered major damage and needs major parts like a > core memory and backplane and front panel. See this web site for > details. http://nisler.org/crash/ ** warning -- not for the faint > hearted ** I am also posting this to classic computers since a lot of > people have 8's there. A replacement front panel and other parts may be > a good group effort for the people that still have straight 8's. Nisler's PDP-8 is scrap. It can be restored, but I think it makes no sense whatsoever to take apart Pete's PDP-8 to supply parts for Nisler's machine. It should be the other way around if anything. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 11 23:30:05 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster Message-ID: I have a Sound Blaster CT1600 with an odd daughterboard attached by a 40-pin ribbon cable. The daughterboard, labelled CT1331, actually plugs into an adjacent slot and just has a socket for the ribbon cable, a bunch of diodes (17 to be exact) which I assume are some sort of protection for the signals coming off the card, and a DC-37 connector on the outside. Nothing googles up. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com Wed Feb 11 23:43:20 2004 From: kyrrin at bluefeathertech.com (Bruce Lane) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: FW: Query on Data I/O model 19 Message-ID: <200402112143200726.023FAE83@192.168.42.129> Could someone who owns a Data I/O System 19 device programmer please see if you can answer this gent's question? Being that my education on DIO stuff started with the 29B, and continued to the Unisite, I'm not going to be of much help. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From: jack.rubin@ameritech.net Simple question - I have a Data I/O System 19 and I'm curious about decoding the config code I get when I run the config check - output is 41A4. You seem to have lots of Data I/O info - can you help? Thanks. Jack -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Please direct replies to Jack. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m "If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports?" From nospam212-classiccmp at yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 23:47:02 2004 From: nospam212-classiccmp at yahoo.com (nospam212-classiccmp@yahoo.com) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: APF Imagination Machine In-Reply-To: <402B000E.8020906@atarimuseum.com> Message-ID: <20040212054702.19851.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> That's about what I was thinking. --- Curt Vendel wrote: > Definitely in the $100+ range, with games obviously > more... if you had > the original box, well then.... > > > > > Curt From vcf at siconic.com Wed Feb 11 23:50:18 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Need drivers for Bernoulli PC2/PC2B interface Message-ID: I need to get a Bernoulli Box hooked up. I've got two IOmega PC2/PC2B interfaces but no drivers. I've found drivers for Linux (which is a fallback option), but I'd like to just do this in DOS to keep it simple. Now, I need the drivers for these cards so I can hook up my Bernoulli Box (CDS-PC/20) to my PC. However, the PC2 card is basically just a SCSI interface. Will the Bernoulli Box work with any SCSI interface? THANKS! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From pat at computer-refuge.org Wed Feb 11 23:57:29 2004 From: pat at computer-refuge.org (Patrick Finnegan) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402120057.29280.pat@computer-refuge.org> On Thursday 12 February 2004 00:30, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > I have a Sound Blaster CT1600 with an odd daughterboard attached by a > 40-pin ribbon cable. The daughterboard, labelled CT1331, actually > plugs into an adjacent slot and just has a socket for the ribbon > cable, a bunch of diodes (17 to be exact) which I assume are some > sort of protection for the signals coming off the card, and a DC-37 > connector on the outside. >From looking at a picture of a CT1600 (SB Pro 2) on ebay, I'm willing to bet (Over 93.6% sure!) that the 40-pin header is for a CDROM drive of some type, and the 2nd card is there so you can use the CDROM in an external case of some sort. In fact, looking at this page (can't get the real site to load, so using the google cache: http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:fj4ZEFuJ0m0J:th99.pley.org/i/i16snd_1.htm+CT1600+sound+blaster+cd-rom&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Search down the page for CT1600, and you'll see it has a "CD-ROM interface". So, I'm pretty sure that's what the board is for. Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/ From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 12 00:01:20 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Need drivers for Bernoulli PC2/PC2B interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > I need to get a Bernoulli Box hooked up. I've got two IOmega PC2/PC2B > interfaces but no drivers. > > I've found drivers for Linux (which is a fallback option), but I'd like to > just do this in DOS to keep it simple. > > Now, I need the drivers for these cards so I can hook up my Bernoulli Box > (CDS-PC/20) to my PC. However, the PC2 card is basically just a SCSI > interface. Will the Bernoulli Box work with any SCSI interface? I think I found them. IOmega referred me to this website: http://www.cometenterprises.com/ ...which has a drivers section which seems to have DOS drivers for the 8" Bernoulli Box drives. I donwloaded it and will test it and report back in case anyone cares. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 12 00:02:46 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster In-Reply-To: <200402120057.29280.pat@computer-refuge.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > From looking at a picture of a CT1600 (SB Pro 2) on ebay, I'm willing to > bet (Over 93.6% sure!) that the 40-pin header is for a CDROM drive of > some type, and the 2nd card is there so you can use the CDROM in an > external case of some sort. > > In fact, looking at this page (can't get the real site to load, so using > the google cache: > http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:fj4ZEFuJ0m0J:th99.pley.org/i/i16snd_1.htm+CT1600+sound+blaster+cd-rom&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > Search down the page for CT1600, and you'll see it has a "CD-ROM > interface". So, I'm pretty sure that's what the board is for. Ok, makes sense. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From jcwren at jcwren.com Thu Feb 12 00:27:53 2004 From: jcwren at jcwren.com (J.C. Wren) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402B1CE9.9020500@jcwren.com> Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >I have a Sound Blaster CT1600 with an odd daughterboard attached by a >40-pin ribbon cable. The daughterboard, labelled CT1331, actually plugs >into an adjacent slot and just has a socket for the ribbon cable, a bunch >of diodes (17 to be exact) which I assume are some sort of protection for >the signals coming off the card, and a DC-37 connector on the outside. > >Nothing googles up. > > > A google for CT1331 reveals "CT1331 External CD-ROM Pass-Through Card" from < http://www.atariarchives.org/cfn/12/05/03/0546.php > --jc From teoz at neo.rr.com Thu Feb 12 00:28:33 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster References: Message-ID: <001601c3f131$72b3bfa0$d7281941@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:02 AM Subject: Re: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > > > From looking at a picture of a CT1600 (SB Pro 2) on ebay, I'm willing to > > bet (Over 93.6% sure!) that the 40-pin header is for a CDROM drive of > > some type, and the 2nd card is there so you can use the CDROM in an > > external case of some sort. > > > > In fact, looking at this page (can't get the real site to load, so using > > the google cache: > > http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:fj4ZEFuJ0m0J:th99.pley.org/i/i16snd_1.htm+CT1600+sound+blaster+cd-rom&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > > Search down the page for CT1600, and you'll see it has a "CD-ROM > > interface". So, I'm pretty sure that's what the board is for. > > Ok, makes sense. > > Thanks! > > Yes that's what it is. I have an old setup like here somewhere in my parts bin. The difference is mine had a Molex power connector on the second card (so the internal PC supply provided power to the external cdrom). From arcarlini at iee.org Thu Feb 12 03:59:39 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001701c3f14e$f28ce950$5b01a8c0@athlon> > Which group did you pick? Going to DECUS-UK lets you > subscribe to the site for free, whilst going to ENCOMPASS-US > does let you register at non-associate level to get the > Hobbyist license but requires an associate ID before you start?! I don't remember, but the email I got back was from encompass so I assume that's the route I took. > Or would HP get upset if I was using the licenses that were > on my Alpha 3000-400 when I got it.....I have the paper > copies but they don't have my name at the top..... If HP find out (and remember that they the guys who own Digital :-)) they might consider getting upset. Worth having the Hobbyist licences just to avoid the hassle! Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From arcarlini at iee.org Thu Feb 12 04:03:02 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: <200402111952.32404.lists@microvax.org> Message-ID: <001801c3f14f$68332ac0$5b01a8c0@athlon> > ooer, you're right - it asks for an Associate ID. > I don't remember this > bit! Tried putting a generic login-name for yourself? eg: "witchy" ? If that fails, and leaving it blank or filled with spaces fails, send them an email and ask? -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From dvcorbin at optonline.net Thu Feb 12 05:24:10 2004 From: dvcorbin at optonline.net (David V. Corbin) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: huge 2 bay 19" rack with 2x 6000btu a/c built in In-Reply-To: <200402120339.i1C3d1v04458@mwave.heeltoe.com> Message-ID: Let me see if I can get a truck for this weekend. If someone else is interested, let them have them, buts lets see if we can save them from the scrapper! ps: Lets take this off-list. dvcorbin@optonline.net or david@dynamicconcepts.us -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Brad Parker Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:39 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: huge 2 bay 19" rack with 2x 6000btu a/c built in "David V. Corbin" wrote: >I am interested. Don't know if it will work out, but definately interested. I'm outside Boston - is that too far? >Long Island. NY -brad From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 12 05:34:50 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: <001801c3f14f$68332ac0$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini > Sent: 12 February 2004 10:03 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, > need help) > > > ooer, you're right - it asks for an Associate ID. > > I don't remember this > > bit! Tried putting a generic login-name for yourself? eg: "witchy" ? > > If that fails, and leaving it blank or filled with spaces > fails, send them an email and ask? All sorted, the field just had to be filled in. *rubs hands in glee* Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au Thu Feb 12 04:26:04 2004 From: huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au (Huw Davies) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help In-Reply-To: <002f01c3f0ca$c2e603a0$5b01a8c0@athlon> References: <002f01c3f0ca$c2e603a0$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: On 12 Feb 2004, at 05:13, Antonio Carlini wrote: > I think the LMF stuff came about for a few reasons > that all coincided. The MicroVAX stuff meant smaller > departments would begin to buy machines and they would > be quite likely to be stuffed into a corner and not > managed much (if at all). The advent of the CDROM > for distribution meant that there was a need to > find a way to stop someone "accidentally" installing > everything under the Sun and then claiming that > they'd forgotten it was there and noone ever used > it anyway. As a security mechanism, LMF is pretty > poor. As a way of forcing you to go out of your > way to break the law in a way that it is hard to > later acknowledge your actions, it is pretty good! LMF is the Licence Management Facility not the Licence Enforcement Utility. It was designed to allow customers to manage their licences but as you point out, if you "accidentally" installed licences you weren't entitled to, DEC could have used the LMF to point out the errors of your ways. LMF is reasonably easy to circumvent but I'm not going to suggest that you do, or help you do it. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies@kerberos.davies.net.au Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the Australia | air, the sky would be painted green" From TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu Thu Feb 12 08:46:23 2004 From: TRASH3 at splab.cas.neu.edu (TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Need drivers for Bernoulli PC2/PC2B interface Message-ID: <040212094623.2b96f@splab.cas.neu.edu> Sellam, I have a few Bernoulli 150 drives set up on machines currently. They can read from 60 to 150Mb disks. I have both the SCSI and the IDE versions. I could not tell exactly what Bernoulli box you were trying to hook up. I have the OADDOS software that came with the Bernoulli drives, or if you have disks that fit my drives, I can read them. Joe Heck From jmestill at earthlink.net Wed Feb 11 15:07:34 2004 From: jmestill at earthlink.net (John Estill) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Anyone ever seen a Greyhound Computer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402A9996.8090606@earthlink.net> That sounds right. Greyhound operated a service bureau in San Francisco about the same time. John Estill TRASIOL@cs.com wrote: >I believe you will find that GREYHOUND was nothing more than a leasing >organization and dealt primarily (if not exclusively) with IBM Main Frames. When I >was Director, Central DP Division for the State of Delaware (1973), I leased >systems from Greyhound at greatly reduced rates (saving the taxpayers' money). > >Art Hill > > > From pgor at thestar.co.za Thu Feb 12 07:04:39 2004 From: pgor at thestar.co.za (Patrick Gorman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Chips Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20040212150324.00a7b360@gtrnews.argus.co.za> I am looking for the MC 679 P chips. If you still have them I would like to get my hands on them. 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Did anyone ever try to connect DVD drives, or CDROM changers, to VAX-class machines, such as 3100's or InfoServers? I *would* assume InfoServer cant handle the DVD data format, although newer VMS systems might. How do they deal with multiple-LUN devices such as changers? Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://VAXlab.pdp11.nl/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje@pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Mountain View, CA, USA From curt at atarimuseum.com Thu Feb 12 09:02:39 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: DEC question: DVD drives and/or CDROM changers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402B958F.1070801@atarimuseum.com> Problem I've run into is that the older vax'es don't play well with many non-Dec CD-ROM drives due to a firmware issue and I've had to go out and hunt a real DEC cd-rom.... the Alpha's are far more flexible and play well with more common parts. Certain Toshiba cd-roms and vaxes get along nicely, I had an older NEC multispin work on a Microvax II at one point if I recall.... DVD's would only be viewed as cd-roms if you could get them to be accessible at all.... if you've got a nice supply of drives to tinker with, its worth doing some trial and error research. Curt Curt Fred N. van Kempen wrote: >Hi All, > >Just a thought. Did anyone ever try to connect DVD drives, >or CDROM changers, to VAX-class machines, such as 3100's or >InfoServers? > >I *would* assume InfoServer cant handle the DVD data format, >although newer VMS systems might. How do they deal with >multiple-LUN devices such as changers? > >Cheers, > Fred > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From rdd at rddavis.org Thu Feb 12 09:15:43 2004 From: rdd at rddavis.org (R. D. Davis) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: <200402111952.32404.lists@microvax.org> References: <200402111952.32404.lists@microvax.org> Message-ID: <20040212151038.GV21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Quothe meltie, from writings of Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 07:52:31PM +0000: > Join ENCOMPASS-US at Associate level for free: > http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.html The prats at HP demand a credit card number and $90---which they're not getting from me. There is no option for a free associate level. -- Copyright (C) 2003 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & rdd@rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. From at258 at osfn.org Thu Feb 12 09:17:55 2004 From: at258 at osfn.org (Merle K. Peirce) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The 860 is a CP/M machine. Big sucker. On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > > Oh, that sounds like a Xerox WYSIWYG word processor. I can't remember the > > > model number but its definitely worth hanging on to. It is descended > > > somewhat from the Alto line. > > > > Monitor looks like maybe a from a 860, dont believe thats related to > > Alto/Star etc... > > Yap, that's the model. > > I say it is "descended somewhat" from the Alto line in that it used some > of the same GUI technology. > > Here's some links: > > DigiBarn's photos > http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/xerox860/index.html > > old-computers.com write-up > http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=488 > > Neither has any extensive write-up of the 860. > > -- M. K. Peirce Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. Shady Lea, Rhode Island "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." - Ovid From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 12 09:32:05 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: <20040212151038.GV21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of R. D. Davis > Sent: 12 February 2004 15:11 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, > need help) > > The prats at HP demand a credit card number and $90---which > they're not getting from me. There is no option for a free > associate level. But if you only want hobbyist VMS you go here: https://secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate.cfm Which is free, gratis and for nothing. Cheers From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Feb 12 09:30:44 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: DEC question: DVD drives and/or CDROM changers In-Reply-To: <402B958F.1070801@atarimuseum.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Curt Vendel wrote: > Problem I've run into is that the older vax'es don't play well with many > non-Dec CD-ROM drives due to a firmware issue and I've had to go out and > hunt a real DEC cd-rom.... the Alpha's are far more flexible and play > well with more common parts. True, although I have had success with most of the drives I ended up with. > Certain Toshiba cd-roms and vaxes get along nicely, I had an older NEC > multispin work on a Microvax II at one point if I recall.... DVD's > would only be viewed as cd-roms if you could get them to be accessible > at all.... if you've got a nice supply of drives to tinker with, its > worth doing some trial and error research. Yeah, I have about, hrrm, oh, 200 drives splattered across the place, so I can play. I *know* that most NEC, Toshiba and all of the Plextor drives are OK. Most older CD-writers are, too. I have a box of JVC DVD players, I will probably hook em up to an 3100 and see what happens... likewise for the Nakamichi CD changers. (it will be fun to set up an 3100 with 2 SCSI channels as an InfoServer, with 2 external towers loaded with Nakamichi CD changers and a couple DVD drives... ;-) --f From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Feb 12 09:34:49 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:22 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote: > But if you only want hobbyist VMS you go here: > > https://secure2.sba.com/encompass/memberApp/associate.cfm > > Which is free, gratis and for nothing. I have been waiting for my "approval" for many moons now, so pretty much gave up on them. Besides, I dont need them :) --f From dittman at dittman.net Thu Feb 12 09:40:55 2004 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: <20040212151038.GV21247@rhiannon.rddavis.org> from "R. D. Davis" at Feb 12, 2004 10:10:38 AM Message-ID: <20040212154055.8B5BE7F82@narnia.int.dittman.net> > > Join ENCOMPASS-US at Associate level for free: > > http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.html > > The prats at HP demand a credit card number and $90---which they're > not getting from me. There is no option for a free associate level. Encompass is a separate entity from HP. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 12 09:49:20 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred N. van Kempen > Sent: 12 February 2004 15:35 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, > need help) > > I have been waiting for my "approval" for many moons now, so > pretty much gave up on them. Besides, I dont need them :) So it's not 7-10 business days then eh? *huff* I was pleased to read on the hobbyist FAQ that you just need to keep reregistering yer paks when they expire after 12 months....... Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From waltje at pdp11.nl Thu Feb 12 09:51:44 2004 From: waltje at pdp11.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote: > So it's not 7-10 business days then eh? *huff* Not in my case. Which is strange, considering all my info is U.S.-based ... > I was pleased to read on the hobbyist FAQ that you just need to keep > reregistering yer paks when they expire after 12 months....... Yes, they do. Meaning you also have to renew membership :) --f From arcarlini at iee.org Thu Feb 12 10:18:16 2004 From: arcarlini at iee.org (Antonio Carlini) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: DEC question: DVD drives and/or CDROM changers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c3f183$daad5bf0$5b01a8c0@athlon> > > Certain Toshiba cd-roms and vaxes get along nicely, I had > an older NEC > > multispin work on a Microvax II at one point if I > recall.... DVD's > > would only be viewed as cd-roms if you could get them to be > accessible > > at all.... if you've got a nice supply of drives to > tinker with, its > > worth doing some trial and error research. > Yeah, I have about, hrrm, oh, 200 drives splattered across > the place, so I can play. I *know* that most NEC, Toshiba > and all of the Plextor drives are OK. Most older CD-writers are, too. I've never tried a non-DEC CDROM (never had to) but I do have a Yamaha CDRW which no longer writes, so I may try it out sometime. If it can be persuaded to do 512-byte blocks it will work, if it can't, it probably won't. The other rule of thumb is that if it works on Sun it probably works on a VAX (and vice-versa). I do not know if the InfoServer ESS code uses 10-bit SCSI commands and hence has an issue with drives greater than 1GB. I assume not because someone would have tried it by now and said so, but ... If you write your own DVDs and use ODS2 I doubt the infoserver would know the difference - just serves blocks doesn't it? It might even serve data DVDs even in UDF format. Streaming your latest movies might be a stretch though! > I have a box of JVC DVD players, I will probably hook em up > to an 3100 and see what happens... likewise for the Nakamichi > CD changers. Changes usually appear as sub-luns don't they? If so, then I think the OpenVMS driver can cope (that is, IIRC, why the naming convention is as it is - to allow for this very possibility). Let us know whether ESS sees multiple drives or not. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini@iee.org From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 12 10:28:30 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster In-Reply-To: <402B1CE9.9020500@jcwren.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, J.C. Wren wrote: > A google for CT1331 reveals "CT1331 External CD-ROM Pass-Through Card" > from < http://www.atariarchives.org/cfn/12/05/03/0546.php > You must be using a different Google than me because I do not see that link coming up. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 12 10:31:43 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: Xerox Monitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Merle K. Peirce wrote: > The 860 is a CP/M machine. Big sucker. Are you sure about this? That would be news to me. You aren't thinking of the 820, are you? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From curt at atarimuseum.com Thu Feb 12 10:33:13 2004 From: curt at atarimuseum.com (Curt Vendel) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <402BAAC9.6060104@atarimuseum.com> You didn't know? Sellam uses vintage.google.org ;-) Curt Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, J.C. Wren wrote: > > > >>A google for CT1331 reveals "CT1331 External CD-ROM Pass-Through Card" >>from < http://www.atariarchives.org/cfn/12/05/03/0546.php > >> >> > >You must be using a different Google than me because I do not see that >link coming up. > > > -- Curt Vendel & Karl Morris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Atari Museum http://www.atarimuseum.com The Atari Explorer http://www.atari-explorer.com From vcf at siconic.com Thu Feb 12 10:33:14 2004 From: vcf at siconic.com (Vintage Computer Festival) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: Need drivers for Bernoulli PC2/PC2B interface In-Reply-To: <040212094623.2b96f@splab.cas.neu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 TRASH3@splab.cas.neu.edu wrote: > I have a few Bernoulli 150 drives set up on machines currently. > They can read from 60 to 150Mb disks. I have both the SCSI and the IDE > versions. I could not tell exactly what Bernoulli box you were trying > to hook up. I have the OADDOS software that came with the Bernoulli > drives, or if you have disks that fit my drives, I can read them. I'm using the old 8" system, the original Bernoulli Box (big sucker, looks like a large IBM PC, weighs a ton). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] From teoz at neo.rr.com Thu Feb 12 10:38:21 2004 From: teoz at neo.rr.com (Teo Zenios) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster References: Message-ID: <006301c3f186$a05f7cf0$d7281941@game> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vintage Computer Festival" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Help ID this bizarro Sound Blaster > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, J.C. Wren wrote: > > > A google for CT1331 reveals "CT1331 External CD-ROM Pass-Through Card" > > from < http://www.atariarchives.org/cfn/12/05/03/0546.php > > > You must be using a different Google than me because I do not see that > link coming up. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] > [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ] > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ct1331 is the search I used (just entered ct1331 under the WEB page) and the article was 3rd from the bottom of the first page (1-13 of 18 hits). I remember you had google problems before didn't you Sellam? From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 12 10:47:20 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: DEC question: DVD drives and/or CDROM changers In-Reply-To: <002e01c3f183$daad5bf0$5b01a8c0@athlon> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini > Sent: 12 February 2004 16:18 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: DEC question: DVD drives and/or CDROM changers > > I've never tried a non-DEC CDROM (never had to) but I do have > a Yamaha CDRW which no longer writes, so I may try it out > sometime. If it can be persuaded to do 512-byte blocks it > will work, if it can't, it probably won't. The other rule of > thumb is that if it works on Sun it probably works on a VAX > (and vice-versa). When I first read this I thought you were quoting me from the other day, but I think that was in a private mail :) I tried such a thing with a Yamaha CDRW 4416S that no longer writes yesterday and it hung the bus - wouldn't even self test :-/ Then I remembered I had an RRD43 kicking around so at least the install was twice as quick.... Cheers -- Adrian/Witchy Owner & Webmaster, Binary Dinosaurs www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - possibly the UK's biggest online computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - ex-monthly gothic shenanigans :o( From witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk Thu Feb 12 10:48:29 2004 From: witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Witchy) Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:23 2005 Subject: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, need help) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred N. van Kempen > Sent: 12 February 2004 15:52 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Hobbyist VMS (was: Got a DEC 2000 Alpha server, > need help) > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Witchy wrote: > > > So it's not 7-10 business days then eh? *huff* > Not in my case. Which